iPod nano sales off to slow start

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  • Reply 101 of 149
    I don't know about the article. However, the 4GB black model got sold out on last Thursday.. which I was the third in line.



    I constantly checked the Apple Store (Bellevue Square) for availability. The lady simply said only 2GB model left.



    Meanwhile, I think it's too early to tell since it's still in the 'early adopter' stage.
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  • Reply 102 of 149
    Yes,



    That's definitely impressive, but...





    I'd like to see them run those tests on a 4th Generation

    iPOD. I'd like to see them actually run those

    tests with the headphones plugged into the unit.



    Why?



    Well there are some major design flaws in the iPOD

    that I have yet to see fixed on the iPOD. This may

    be another reason why the nano hasn't taken off.

    People might want to wait and see what their friends

    think of it first as I don't trust the press.



    The iPOD...

    1) The headphones...

    Put some strain relief at the audio jack.

    My wife ruins headphones by wrapping them around

    the POD for storage. There is no strain relief so

    eventually the wire gets loose and you get the

    static and clicking that some have mentioned.

    Time for new headphones.



    2) Don't put the headphone jack right behind the LCD

    screen. Drop the iPOD on the headphone jack and

    see how hard it is to lose the LCD. Move the jack

    to the bottom or the side.



    2.5) Related to No. 2 - The LCD is held in place

    by the frame. Not all, but a good portion of the

    stress on the frame runs directly thru the LCD.

    The LCD is not protected in any way.



    3) Battery - I know this one has been beat to death.

    However, looking at the insides, it would have been

    simpe to put a little door right where the battery

    is so that it could be replaced easily.





    If I had known this before I bought one, I would not

    have bought one. It's too fragile.



    I admit that it looks like they may have fixed some of

    these in the Nano. however, there are some simple thing

    on the Nano they could have done.



    Looks like fixed...

    1) Headphone jack is at the bottom.

    2) Lanyard headphones look like you will not

    stress the wire.



    Regards,

    Ocriss
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  • Reply 103 of 149
    hi ocriss, well, the iPod Mini 1st gen solves all the issues you mentioned except battery life. the iPod Mini 2nd gen solves all those issues bar none.
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  • Reply 104 of 149
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,953member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Ocriss33324

    iPOD.



    Please don't use unnecessary caps. The product name is iPod, not iPOD.
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  • Reply 105 of 149
    It is not like the full sized iPod. I wanted a mini that was not crippled in any way. Instead, we got a product that has less capacity for $200, no video out for TV slideshows, (what good are photos on a screen so small), And in spite of Apple's marketing machine, none of the accessories that take advantage of the headphone jack work with the iPn. Where is built-in voice recording? Where is the accessory to enable it? Where are Apple's own accessories? This product seems like it is three months too early. My first thought when I took it all in was that I will wait until Macworld SF before buying. This release feels like a sucker punch to the early adopters. Apple can, and hopefully will do better.



    For the record, I don't believe that sales are slow. But who really knows. I just know that Apple hasn't earned my sale yet. My mini will do just fine for now.
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  • Reply 106 of 149
    sabonsabon Posts: 134member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by webmail

    no offense but if you have an 800mhz mac you shouldn't spend money on an iPod, spend it on a new computer. I'm glad they didn't include firewire, i don't want more, i want less on this ipod. The rest of the world shouldn' be punished because you don't have more mordern computers



    No offense taken. But I do think your suggestion isn't very smart. Replace two working Macs that I have no problems with, including speed? Seems pretty stupid to me when the only thing missing is USB2.



    Yes I could get a PCMCI card but they stick out the side and since my PowerBook spends little time being used at home, but a lot away from home, it wouldn't be long until either the card broke or my PowerBook broke. And I have no interest in having a card that I have to keep track of. I have enough things to keep track of already.
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  • Reply 107 of 149
    i was initially annoyed by dropping of firewire on the shuffle and nano, but remember peoples its geared towards pc users. most average pc users think firewire is an act they see at the circus or something...
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  • Reply 108 of 149
    Quote:

    Originally posted by sunilraman

    i was initially annoyed by dropping of firewire on the shuffle and nano, but remember peoples its geared towards pc users. most average pc users think firewire is an act they see at the circus or something...





    Does that mean you can't use Target disk mode on the Nano?
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  • Reply 109 of 149
    Surely some smart-arse Chinese electronics company can come up with a cheap Firewire to USB2 adaptor... couldn't they?
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  • Reply 110 of 149
    Quote:

    Originally posted by the cool gut

    Does that mean you can't use Target disk mode on the Nano?



    Correct.
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  • Reply 111 of 149
    Quote:

    Originally posted by the cool gut

    Does that mean you can't use Target disk mode on the Nano?



    umm.. why would you need to set the nano into target disk mode? just plug it in, enable disk use, and then its a drive on your desktop..

    ...or do you mean booting os X off the nano? apparently one cannot do that because of usb only.
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  • Reply 112 of 149
    Quote:

    Originally posted by sunilraman

    umm.. why would you need to set the nano into target disk mode? just plug it in, enable disk use, and then its a drive on your desktop..

    ...or do you mean booting os X off the nano? apparently one cannot do that because of usb only.




    Because some of us like to install Mac OS X on our iPods and boot up our Macs using them as the boot drive. Just to test new versions of OS X BEFORE we upgrade on our computers. You can only do that if the iPod has FireWire.
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  • Reply 113 of 149
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,953member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Sabon

    Because some of us like to install Mac OS X on our iPods and boot up our Macs using them as the boot drive. Just to test new versions of OS X BEFORE we upgrade on our computers. You can only do that if the iPod has FireWire.



    Having an emergency backup solution is a good idea, but a decent OS X boot system with a few apps weighs in at 10GB or more. This is more than can be had on a nano for probably a few years yet.



    I just keep a Firewire enclosure with a desktop drive for spare boot partitions.
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  • Reply 114 of 149
    Quote:

    Originally posted by JeffDM

    Having an emergency backup solution is a good idea, but a decent OS X boot system with a few apps weighs in at 10GB or more. This is more than can be had on a nano for probably a few years yet.



    I just keep a Firewire enclosure with a desktop drive for spare boot partitions.




    But it IS good if you are doing just a base installation of OS X to check out a few things before upgrading. It isn't just for backups.
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  • Reply 115 of 149
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,953member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Sabon

    But it IS good if you are doing just a base installation of OS X to check out a few things before upgrading. It isn't just for backups.



    What is the base size of OS X 10.4? I was sure it was pretty close to 10GB last time I tried a clean install.
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  • Reply 116 of 149
    Quote:

    Originally posted by JeffDM

    What is the base size of OS X 10.4? I was sure it was pretty close to 10GB last time I tried a clean install.



    I don't remembr. It's never been an issue for me as I've never had something smaller than a 30gb iPod.



    Also, I've already just picked the easy install. I'm sure there is a way to remove things from the install list to get a smaller install foot print. Some people use a minimal install on their iPod to boot up their Mac for when they do some experimenting and mess things up. They can then boot off their iPod and fix things.



    What I'm worried about is the trend away from FireWire. Is the next full size iPods only going to have USB 2 also?
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  • Reply 117 of 149
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,953member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Sabon

    What I'm worried about is the trend away from FireWire. Is the next full size iPods only going to have USB 2 also?



    In this context, it is a very understandable concern. With respect to the nano, I too hope it's just a board space issue and not part of a larger shift to move the entire iPod line away from Firewire. I simply couldn't imagine trying to boot such a heavy OS from current flash tech or the 1" Microdrives, nevermind installing to those devices.
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  • Reply 118 of 149
    sabonsabon Posts: 134member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by JeffDM

    In this context, it is a very understandable concern. With respect to the nano, I too hope it's just a board space issue and not part of a larger shift to move the entire iPod line away from Firewire. I simply couldn't imagine trying to boot such a heavy OS from current flash tech or the 1" Microdrives, nevermind installing to those devices.



    I'm not concerned about running off flash memory or the 1" micodrives because I don't use it as my main boot drive. Only for short period (rarely more than 30 minutes) which doesn't seem to hurt the drive. Flash RAM has no chance of being hurt. It's the small amount of it that would be the problem. Meaning if there wasn't enough to install and run the OS.
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  • Reply 119 of 149
    Quote:

    Originally posted by JeffDM

    Having an emergency backup solution is a good idea, but a decent OS X boot system with a few apps weighs in at 10GB or more. This is more than can be had on a nano for probably a few years yet.



    I just keep a Firewire enclosure with a desktop drive for spare boot partitions.






    sabon i'd have to go with jeff on this. fw400 enclosure with 7200rpm 3.5" drive. its the minimum IMO for *tolerable* Os x booting off an external drive.
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  • Reply 120 of 149
    sabonsabon Posts: 134member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by sunilraman

    sabon i'd have to go with jeff on this. fw400 enclosure with 7200rpm 3.5" drive. its the minimum IMO for *tolerable* Os x booting off an external drive.



    As I said before, "What I'm worried about is the trend away from FireWire. Is the next full size iPods only going to have USB 2 also?"
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