hi ocriss, well, the iPod Mini 1st gen solves all the issues you mentioned except battery life. the iPod Mini 2nd gen solves all those issues bar none.
It is not like the full sized iPod. I wanted a mini that was not crippled in any way. Instead, we got a product that has less capacity for $200, no video out for TV slideshows, (what good are photos on a screen so small), And in spite of Apple's marketing machine, none of the accessories that take advantage of the headphone jack work with the iPn. Where is built-in voice recording? Where is the accessory to enable it? Where are Apple's own accessories? This product seems like it is three months too early. My first thought when I took it all in was that I will wait until Macworld SF before buying. This release feels like a sucker punch to the early adopters. Apple can, and hopefully will do better.
For the record, I don't believe that sales are slow. But who really knows. I just know that Apple hasn't earned my sale yet. My mini will do just fine for now.
no offense but if you have an 800mhz mac you shouldn't spend money on an iPod, spend it on a new computer. I'm glad they didn't include firewire, i don't want more, i want less on this ipod. The rest of the world shouldn' be punished because you don't have more mordern computers
No offense taken. But I do think your suggestion isn't very smart. Replace two working Macs that I have no problems with, including speed? Seems pretty stupid to me when the only thing missing is USB2.
Yes I could get a PCMCI card but they stick out the side and since my PowerBook spends little time being used at home, but a lot away from home, it wouldn't be long until either the card broke or my PowerBook broke. And I have no interest in having a card that I have to keep track of. I have enough things to keep track of already.
i was initially annoyed by dropping of firewire on the shuffle and nano, but remember peoples its geared towards pc users. most average pc users think firewire is an act they see at the circus or something...
i was initially annoyed by dropping of firewire on the shuffle and nano, but remember peoples its geared towards pc users. most average pc users think firewire is an act they see at the circus or something...
Does that mean you can't use Target disk mode on the Nano?
umm.. why would you need to set the nano into target disk mode? just plug it in, enable disk use, and then its a drive on your desktop..
...or do you mean booting os X off the nano? apparently one cannot do that because of usb only.
Because some of us like to install Mac OS X on our iPods and boot up our Macs using them as the boot drive. Just to test new versions of OS X BEFORE we upgrade on our computers. You can only do that if the iPod has FireWire.
Because some of us like to install Mac OS X on our iPods and boot up our Macs using them as the boot drive. Just to test new versions of OS X BEFORE we upgrade on our computers. You can only do that if the iPod has FireWire.
Having an emergency backup solution is a good idea, but a decent OS X boot system with a few apps weighs in at 10GB or more. This is more than can be had on a nano for probably a few years yet.
I just keep a Firewire enclosure with a desktop drive for spare boot partitions.
Having an emergency backup solution is a good idea, but a decent OS X boot system with a few apps weighs in at 10GB or more. This is more than can be had on a nano for probably a few years yet.
I just keep a Firewire enclosure with a desktop drive for spare boot partitions.
But it IS good if you are doing just a base installation of OS X to check out a few things before upgrading. It isn't just for backups.
What is the base size of OS X 10.4? I was sure it was pretty close to 10GB last time I tried a clean install.
I don't remembr. It's never been an issue for me as I've never had something smaller than a 30gb iPod.
Also, I've already just picked the easy install. I'm sure there is a way to remove things from the install list to get a smaller install foot print. Some people use a minimal install on their iPod to boot up their Mac for when they do some experimenting and mess things up. They can then boot off their iPod and fix things.
What I'm worried about is the trend away from FireWire. Is the next full size iPods only going to have USB 2 also?
What I'm worried about is the trend away from FireWire. Is the next full size iPods only going to have USB 2 also?
In this context, it is a very understandable concern. With respect to the nano, I too hope it's just a board space issue and not part of a larger shift to move the entire iPod line away from Firewire. I simply couldn't imagine trying to boot such a heavy OS from current flash tech or the 1" Microdrives, nevermind installing to those devices.
In this context, it is a very understandable concern. With respect to the nano, I too hope it's just a board space issue and not part of a larger shift to move the entire iPod line away from Firewire. I simply couldn't imagine trying to boot such a heavy OS from current flash tech or the 1" Microdrives, nevermind installing to those devices.
I'm not concerned about running off flash memory or the 1" micodrives because I don't use it as my main boot drive. Only for short period (rarely more than 30 minutes) which doesn't seem to hurt the drive. Flash RAM has no chance of being hurt. It's the small amount of it that would be the problem. Meaning if there wasn't enough to install and run the OS.
Having an emergency backup solution is a good idea, but a decent OS X boot system with a few apps weighs in at 10GB or more. This is more than can be had on a nano for probably a few years yet.
I just keep a Firewire enclosure with a desktop drive for spare boot partitions.
sabon i'd have to go with jeff on this. fw400 enclosure with 7200rpm 3.5" drive. its the minimum IMO for *tolerable* Os x booting off an external drive.
sabon i'd have to go with jeff on this. fw400 enclosure with 7200rpm 3.5" drive. its the minimum IMO for *tolerable* Os x booting off an external drive.
As I said before, "What I'm worried about is the trend away from FireWire. Is the next full size iPods only going to have USB 2 also?"
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I constantly checked the Apple Store (Bellevue Square) for availability. The lady simply said only 2GB model left.
Meanwhile, I think it's too early to tell since it's still in the 'early adopter' stage.
That's definitely impressive, but...
I'd like to see them run those tests on a 4th Generation
iPOD. I'd like to see them actually run those
tests with the headphones plugged into the unit.
Why?
Well there are some major design flaws in the iPOD
that I have yet to see fixed on the iPOD. This may
be another reason why the nano hasn't taken off.
People might want to wait and see what their friends
think of it first as I don't trust the press.
The iPOD...
1) The headphones...
Put some strain relief at the audio jack.
My wife ruins headphones by wrapping them around
the POD for storage. There is no strain relief so
eventually the wire gets loose and you get the
static and clicking that some have mentioned.
Time for new headphones.
2) Don't put the headphone jack right behind the LCD
screen. Drop the iPOD on the headphone jack and
see how hard it is to lose the LCD. Move the jack
to the bottom or the side.
2.5) Related to No. 2 - The LCD is held in place
by the frame. Not all, but a good portion of the
stress on the frame runs directly thru the LCD.
The LCD is not protected in any way.
3) Battery - I know this one has been beat to death.
However, looking at the insides, it would have been
simpe to put a little door right where the battery
is so that it could be replaced easily.
If I had known this before I bought one, I would not
have bought one. It's too fragile.
I admit that it looks like they may have fixed some of
these in the Nano. however, there are some simple thing
on the Nano they could have done.
Looks like fixed...
1) Headphone jack is at the bottom.
2) Lanyard headphones look like you will not
stress the wire.
Regards,
Ocriss
Originally posted by Ocriss33324
iPOD.
Please don't use unnecessary caps. The product name is iPod, not iPOD.
For the record, I don't believe that sales are slow. But who really knows. I just know that Apple hasn't earned my sale yet. My mini will do just fine for now.
Originally posted by webmail
no offense but if you have an 800mhz mac you shouldn't spend money on an iPod, spend it on a new computer. I'm glad they didn't include firewire, i don't want more, i want less on this ipod. The rest of the world shouldn' be punished because you don't have more mordern computers
No offense taken. But I do think your suggestion isn't very smart. Replace two working Macs that I have no problems with, including speed? Seems pretty stupid to me when the only thing missing is USB2.
Yes I could get a PCMCI card but they stick out the side and since my PowerBook spends little time being used at home, but a lot away from home, it wouldn't be long until either the card broke or my PowerBook broke. And I have no interest in having a card that I have to keep track of. I have enough things to keep track of already.
Originally posted by sunilraman
i was initially annoyed by dropping of firewire on the shuffle and nano, but remember peoples its geared towards pc users. most average pc users think firewire is an act they see at the circus or something...
Does that mean you can't use Target disk mode on the Nano?
Originally posted by the cool gut
Does that mean you can't use Target disk mode on the Nano?
Correct.
Originally posted by the cool gut
Does that mean you can't use Target disk mode on the Nano?
umm.. why would you need to set the nano into target disk mode? just plug it in, enable disk use, and then its a drive on your desktop..
...or do you mean booting os X off the nano? apparently one cannot do that because of usb only.
Originally posted by sunilraman
umm.. why would you need to set the nano into target disk mode? just plug it in, enable disk use, and then its a drive on your desktop..
...or do you mean booting os X off the nano? apparently one cannot do that because of usb only.
Because some of us like to install Mac OS X on our iPods and boot up our Macs using them as the boot drive. Just to test new versions of OS X BEFORE we upgrade on our computers. You can only do that if the iPod has FireWire.
Originally posted by Sabon
Because some of us like to install Mac OS X on our iPods and boot up our Macs using them as the boot drive. Just to test new versions of OS X BEFORE we upgrade on our computers. You can only do that if the iPod has FireWire.
Having an emergency backup solution is a good idea, but a decent OS X boot system with a few apps weighs in at 10GB or more. This is more than can be had on a nano for probably a few years yet.
I just keep a Firewire enclosure with a desktop drive for spare boot partitions.
Originally posted by JeffDM
Having an emergency backup solution is a good idea, but a decent OS X boot system with a few apps weighs in at 10GB or more. This is more than can be had on a nano for probably a few years yet.
I just keep a Firewire enclosure with a desktop drive for spare boot partitions.
But it IS good if you are doing just a base installation of OS X to check out a few things before upgrading. It isn't just for backups.
Originally posted by Sabon
But it IS good if you are doing just a base installation of OS X to check out a few things before upgrading. It isn't just for backups.
What is the base size of OS X 10.4? I was sure it was pretty close to 10GB last time I tried a clean install.
Originally posted by JeffDM
What is the base size of OS X 10.4? I was sure it was pretty close to 10GB last time I tried a clean install.
I don't remembr. It's never been an issue for me as I've never had something smaller than a 30gb iPod.
Also, I've already just picked the easy install. I'm sure there is a way to remove things from the install list to get a smaller install foot print. Some people use a minimal install on their iPod to boot up their Mac for when they do some experimenting and mess things up. They can then boot off their iPod and fix things.
What I'm worried about is the trend away from FireWire. Is the next full size iPods only going to have USB 2 also?
Originally posted by Sabon
What I'm worried about is the trend away from FireWire. Is the next full size iPods only going to have USB 2 also?
In this context, it is a very understandable concern. With respect to the nano, I too hope it's just a board space issue and not part of a larger shift to move the entire iPod line away from Firewire. I simply couldn't imagine trying to boot such a heavy OS from current flash tech or the 1" Microdrives, nevermind installing to those devices.
Originally posted by JeffDM
In this context, it is a very understandable concern. With respect to the nano, I too hope it's just a board space issue and not part of a larger shift to move the entire iPod line away from Firewire. I simply couldn't imagine trying to boot such a heavy OS from current flash tech or the 1" Microdrives, nevermind installing to those devices.
I'm not concerned about running off flash memory or the 1" micodrives because I don't use it as my main boot drive. Only for short period (rarely more than 30 minutes) which doesn't seem to hurt the drive. Flash RAM has no chance of being hurt. It's the small amount of it that would be the problem. Meaning if there wasn't enough to install and run the OS.
Originally posted by JeffDM
Having an emergency backup solution is a good idea, but a decent OS X boot system with a few apps weighs in at 10GB or more. This is more than can be had on a nano for probably a few years yet.
I just keep a Firewire enclosure with a desktop drive for spare boot partitions.
sabon i'd have to go with jeff on this. fw400 enclosure with 7200rpm 3.5" drive. its the minimum IMO for *tolerable* Os x booting off an external drive.
Originally posted by sunilraman
sabon i'd have to go with jeff on this. fw400 enclosure with 7200rpm 3.5" drive. its the minimum IMO for *tolerable* Os x booting off an external drive.
As I said before, "What I'm worried about is the trend away from FireWire. Is the next full size iPods only going to have USB 2 also?"