Aopen shipping a Blu-Ray drive in Nov has to be the dumbest thing I've read in a while.
Of course to some marketer they are going to claim this as a coup. Free publicity for
the company that ships Blu-Ray first. The poor person that buys the drive is up shite creek. What is he/she you going to run on it? And if these drive is shipping in quantiy in 30-45 days why don't we have pricing yet?
It sounds like a total freakin' sham. I'll echo Hast's comments. Most of the pictures of Ceatec seemed to show HD DVD being the format furthest along. Toshiba had a laptop with HD DVD playing video. I'm not sure how many Blu-Ray drives were playing video however. Most seemed to be behind plexiglass boxes.
Going to be interesting when both formats shutup and actually have to deliver product. My money is on HD DVD being on time while Blu-Ray is backorderd. Although I expect I'll have to own both formats.
Not to add too much fuel to the Blu-ray fire, but isn't AOpen (part of Acer) just rebranding OEM hardware (or manufacturing products from OEM components)? Could their mechs be from a 1st tier vendor (I know, why isn't the 1st tier vendor selling product). Maybe there will be more PR's shortly? Yeah, this could be a marketing gambit. Also, I don't see any purpose in releasing a PC player (no content), I do see a purpose in releasing a PC recorder (and by default player) for data AND content creation (which in turn would be sent to a pressing plant (which don't exist , however)).
June, at the earliest. Everyone talks about this like it's happening tomorrow. There is no software ready for it, so ... It's not happend quite yet.
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Originally posted by sandboxface
ok.. so.. the question for me: WHEN WILL WE SEE INTEL IN POWERMACS?
i'm thinking about upgrading, but not sure if i should stick it out for the intel macs. i currently run a dual 2gig G5 rev A. i mainly work in final cut and everything runs speedy.
i'm really hesitant to buy another G5 (although a dual core tower would rip some ass), but not sure if i should just stick it out for intel. thoughts?
Aopen shipping a Blu-Ray drive in Nov has to be the dumbest thing I've read in a while.
Of course to some marketer they are going to claim this as a coup. Free publicity for
the company that ships Blu-Ray first. The poor person that buys the drive is up shite creek. What is he/she you going to run on it? And if these drive is shipping in quantiy in 30-45 days why don't we have pricing yet?
It sounds like a total freakin' sham. I'll echo Hast's comments. Most of the pictures of Ceatec seemed to show HD DVD being the format furthest along. Toshiba had a laptop with HD DVD playing video. I'm not sure how many Blu-Ray drives were playing video however. Most seemed to be behind plexiglass boxes.
Going to be interesting when both formats shutup and actually have to deliver product. My money is on HD DVD being on time while Blu-Ray is backorderd. Although I expect I'll have to own both formats.
Actually, at the show there were four manufacturers of BR drives showing working drives. The only company showing a working HD DVD drive was Toshiba. Their 12.5mm drive was just a mock-up.
HD DVD is no further along than BR is. Toshiba announced, a couple of weeks ago, that production would not start now after all, but sometime late first quarter or second quarter.
Two reasons for that were given. One was that there was virtually no entertainment product available for Christmas after all.
But I think the real reason was that they said that they were "adding features".
I believe that the lack of recorded disks was just a smokescreen.
The features they are adding to the format are amazingly similar to the features that BR ALREADY HAS! to be recursive here, this is most likely why there is no entertainment product available, the features are lacking, and so they can't cut the disks.
According to Toshiba, drives should be available in the spring.
Not to add too much fuel to the Blu-ray fire, but isn't AOpen (part of Acer) just rebranding OEM hardware (or manufacturing products from OEM components)? Could their mechs be from a 1st tier vendor (I know, why isn't the 1st tier vendor selling product). Maybe there will be more PR's shortly? Yeah, this could be a marketing gambit. Also, I don't see any purpose in releasing a PC player (no content), I do see a purpose in releasing a PC recorder (and by default player) for data AND content creation (which in turn would be sent to a pressing plant (which don't exist , however)).
The other interesting fact related to what you have said is that BR will have drives capable of recording right from the start, whereas HD DVD will have them coming later.
While some computer companies may to chose to put a BR combo drive in at first, they WILL have the option of using a recorder. HD DVD users won't.
The recording ability of BR machines will be much better than that from HD DVD.
I already had a long post with all of this information from the various companies. So soon we forget.
The recording ability of BR machines will be much better than that from HD DVD.
In size alone. There's nothing inherent in the BD specification that lends any superiority over HD-DVD other than pit size which increase data storage.
Expect the media to be more expensive as well since you still have the protection layer issue that demands some sort of spincoat or film.
The BDA reminds me of Intel. They are overengineering Blu-Ray to mask its weakness with the protection layer.
In size alone. There's nothing inherent in the BD specification that lends any superiority over HD-DVD other than pit size which increase data storage.
Expect the media to be more expensive as well since you still have the protection layer issue that demands some sort of spincoat or film.
The BDA reminds me of Intel. They are overengineering Blu-Ray to mask its weakness with the protection layer.
That's hype from the HD DVD group. Panasonic has already said that they had a finish that is at least equal to what HD DVD produces. We'll see when it comes out.
Recording capacity.
That is a major advantage. Let's see what it is:
Available in Spring when drives first come out (if this AOpen announcement is optimistic).
Talking about ONLY hi capacity recording abilities.
Blu-Ray
25GB single layer one side=R/RE
50GB dual layer one side=R/RE
later (no time announced as yet)
100GB dual layer both sides=R/RE
HD DVD
20GB=RE
later (no announced date, but association says may take a year or more)
15GB=R
No other recording capabilities have been announced as forthcoming for HD DVD.
That's hype from the HD DVD group. Panasonic has already said that they had a finish that is at least equal to what HD DVD produces. We'll see when it comes out.
Yes...that's really what many of us want. Irrefutable proof...not more press releases.
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Available in Spring when drives first come out (if this AOpen announcement is optimistic).
Check the avs link. HD DVD Recordable should be due out in May/June 2006. I don't see an advantage here. Both should be shipping within a quarter of each other.
Considering how crappy current DVD DL recording is and it's poor pricing I'm not holding my breath for easy nor affordable DL burning from either camp.
Both formats are doing their damndest to turn the public off with their lack of information. I understand that pricing is not available yet but I think many of us are in for a rude awakening once the pricing does hit.
Still, I thought HD DVD had all the backing...but the 'mood' seems to have swung the other way. Blue Ray seems to have more storage and bigger write capacities...and 100Million plus PS3s may put the Hollywood studios over the top. I'm coming down on the side of Blue Ray at the moment.
Anyway, M$ is backing HD DVD? Another reason against it?
Diddlee dee.
It won't matter in ten years time when iPod Nano ram is big enough for everything.
The realities of "managedcopy" may change your mind, may change all of our minds depending on how it's implemented on each platform. Remember Lucas' favorite DIVX? Didn't last all that long.
100 million when? 5 years after release? I'll be surprised if sony breaks 15 million units the first year.
Yes...that's really what many of us want. Irrefutable proof...not more press releases.
Check the avs link. HD DVD Recordable should be due out in May/June 2006. I don't see an advantage here. Both should be shipping within a quarter of each other.
Considering how crappy current DVD DL recording is and it's poor pricing I'm not holding my breath for easy nor affordable DL burning from either camp.
Both formats are doing their damndest to turn the public off with their lack of information. I understand that pricing is not available yet but I think many of us are in for a rude awakening once the pricing does hit.
Still, I thought HD DVD had all the backing...but the 'mood' seems to have swung the other way. Blue Ray seems to have more storage and bigger write capacities...and 100Million plus PS3s may put the Hollywood studios over the top. I'm coming down on the side of Blue Ray at the moment.
Anyway, M$ is backing HD DVD? Another reason against it?
Diddlee dee.
It won't matter in ten years time when iPod Nano ram is big enough for everything.
Lemon Bon Bon
It's interesting too now because Intel is now trying to mediate between the two groups, but has been accused of being "tainted" by its earlier endorsement of HD DVD. MS has now said that it didn't think that HD DVD was a "long term standard".
The real reason why MS has turned away from BR is because they are using an industry developed version of Java to run the BR disks and players rather than the MS developed iHD software. MS has a lot to lose here. HD DVD uses the MS software.
No they won't, but they very likely will be a revision that includes a built in isight, as well as small speed bumps, faster memory, and a decent video card.
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Originally posted by PB
They will have a BR drive in the right side, a HD DVD in the left, a usual DVD one in the front and a... floppy drive in the back .
No they won't, but they very likely will be a revision that includes a built in isight, as well as small speed bumps, faster memory, and a decent video card.
I wonder if an iSight will fit in the very thin space at the top of the cover where the latch is already taking up room.
Even if they want to put it to the side of the latch, which obviously wouldn't be as good, there is only a very thin space between the outer part of the top and the inner. Also not much vertical room from the top of the display which extends into the metal case above where the screen ends.
They might have to do a serious redesign to accommodate this.
No they won't, but they very likely will be a revision that includes a built in isight, as well as small speed bumps, faster memory, and a decent video card.
The drives haven't been approved for production or in most cases even customer testing. No one has announced 12.5mm drives for testing either.
If there were drives, would HD DVD creation speed be a selling point for the hoped-for 2x2x2.5 G5's, in the same way that Apple promoted the speed of the dual G4's in encoding DVDs? SJ could say, "The new G5 Quadras with OS 10.4.3 and the brand new iDVD-HD can convert a full-length iMovie to an HD DVD so much faster than the best Wintel machine that ... that ... that we decided to switch to Intel chips to level the playing field."
If there were drives, would HD DVD creation speed be a selling point for the hoped-for 2x2x2.5 G5's, in the same way that Apple promoted the speed of the dual G4's in encoding DVDs? SJ could say, "The new G5 Quadras with OS 10.4.3 and the brand new iDVD-HD can convert a full-length iMovie to an HD DVD so much faster than the best Wintel machine that ... that ... that we decided to switch to Intel chips to level the playing field."
Why would there be a difference in creation speed between BR and HD drives?
As far as I know, they will both record at 2x speed. The codecs will be the same.
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Of course to some marketer they are going to claim this as a coup. Free publicity for
the company that ships Blu-Ray first. The poor person that buys the drive is up shite creek. What is he/she you going to run on it? And if these drive is shipping in quantiy in 30-45 days why don't we have pricing yet?
It sounds like a total freakin' sham. I'll echo Hast's comments. Most of the pictures of Ceatec seemed to show HD DVD being the format furthest along. Toshiba had a laptop with HD DVD playing video. I'm not sure how many Blu-Ray drives were playing video however. Most seemed to be behind plexiglass boxes.
Going to be interesting when both formats shutup and actually have to deliver product. My money is on HD DVD being on time while Blu-Ray is backorderd. Although I expect I'll have to own both formats.
Not to add too much fuel to the Blu-ray fire, but isn't AOpen (part of Acer) just rebranding OEM hardware (or manufacturing products from OEM components)? Could their mechs be from a 1st tier vendor (I know, why isn't the 1st tier vendor selling product). Maybe there will be more PR's shortly? Yeah, this could be a marketing gambit. Also, I don't see any purpose in releasing a PC player (no content), I do see a purpose in releasing a PC recorder (and by default player) for data AND content creation (which in turn would be sent to a pressing plant (which don't exist
Originally posted by sandboxface
ok.. so.. the question for me: WHEN WILL WE SEE INTEL IN POWERMACS?
i'm thinking about upgrading, but not sure if i should stick it out for the intel macs. i currently run a dual 2gig G5 rev A. i mainly work in final cut and everything runs speedy.
i'm really hesitant to buy another G5 (although a dual core tower would rip some ass), but not sure if i should just stick it out for intel. thoughts?
Originally posted by hmurchison
Aopen shipping a Blu-Ray drive in Nov has to be the dumbest thing I've read in a while.
Of course to some marketer they are going to claim this as a coup. Free publicity for
the company that ships Blu-Ray first. The poor person that buys the drive is up shite creek. What is he/she you going to run on it? And if these drive is shipping in quantiy in 30-45 days why don't we have pricing yet?
It sounds like a total freakin' sham. I'll echo Hast's comments. Most of the pictures of Ceatec seemed to show HD DVD being the format furthest along. Toshiba had a laptop with HD DVD playing video. I'm not sure how many Blu-Ray drives were playing video however. Most seemed to be behind plexiglass boxes.
Going to be interesting when both formats shutup and actually have to deliver product. My money is on HD DVD being on time while Blu-Ray is backorderd. Although I expect I'll have to own both formats.
Actually, at the show there were four manufacturers of BR drives showing working drives. The only company showing a working HD DVD drive was Toshiba. Their 12.5mm drive was just a mock-up.
HD DVD is no further along than BR is. Toshiba announced, a couple of weeks ago, that production would not start now after all, but sometime late first quarter or second quarter.
Two reasons for that were given. One was that there was virtually no entertainment product available for Christmas after all.
But I think the real reason was that they said that they were "adding features".
I believe that the lack of recorded disks was just a smokescreen.
The features they are adding to the format are amazingly similar to the features that BR ALREADY HAS! to be recursive here, this is most likely why there is no entertainment product available, the features are lacking, and so they can't cut the disks.
According to Toshiba, drives should be available in the spring.
Originally posted by franksargent
Not to add too much fuel to the Blu-ray fire, but isn't AOpen (part of Acer) just rebranding OEM hardware (or manufacturing products from OEM components)? Could their mechs be from a 1st tier vendor (I know, why isn't the 1st tier vendor selling product). Maybe there will be more PR's shortly? Yeah, this could be a marketing gambit. Also, I don't see any purpose in releasing a PC player (no content), I do see a purpose in releasing a PC recorder (and by default player) for data AND content creation (which in turn would be sent to a pressing plant (which don't exist
The other interesting fact related to what you have said is that BR will have drives capable of recording right from the start, whereas HD DVD will have them coming later.
While some computer companies may to chose to put a BR combo drive in at first, they WILL have the option of using a recorder. HD DVD users won't.
The recording ability of BR machines will be much better than that from HD DVD.
I already had a long post with all of this information from the various companies. So soon we forget.
The recording ability of BR machines will be much better than that from HD DVD.
In size alone. There's nothing inherent in the BD specification that lends any superiority over HD-DVD other than pit size which increase data storage.
Expect the media to be more expensive as well since you still have the protection layer issue that demands some sort of spincoat or film.
The BDA reminds me of Intel. They are overengineering Blu-Ray to mask its weakness with the protection layer.
Nice Ceatec pics in this thread
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...62#post6299362
Originally posted by hmurchison
In size alone. There's nothing inherent in the BD specification that lends any superiority over HD-DVD other than pit size which increase data storage.
Expect the media to be more expensive as well since you still have the protection layer issue that demands some sort of spincoat or film.
The BDA reminds me of Intel. They are overengineering Blu-Ray to mask its weakness with the protection layer.
Nice Ceatec pics in this thread
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...62#post6299362
That's hype from the HD DVD group. Panasonic has already said that they had a finish that is at least equal to what HD DVD produces. We'll see when it comes out.
Recording capacity.
That is a major advantage. Let's see what it is:
Available in Spring when drives first come out (if this AOpen announcement is optimistic).
Talking about ONLY hi capacity recording abilities.
Blu-Ray
25GB single layer one side=R/RE
50GB dual layer one side=R/RE
later (no time announced as yet)
100GB dual layer both sides=R/RE
HD DVD
20GB=RE
later (no announced date, but association says may take a year or more)
15GB=R
No other recording capabilities have been announced as forthcoming for HD DVD.
That's hype from the HD DVD group. Panasonic has already said that they had a finish that is at least equal to what HD DVD produces. We'll see when it comes out.
Yes...that's really what many of us want. Irrefutable proof...not more press releases.
Available in Spring when drives first come out (if this AOpen announcement is optimistic).
Check the avs link. HD DVD Recordable should be due out in May/June 2006. I don't see an advantage here. Both should be shipping within a quarter of each other.
Considering how crappy current DVD DL recording is and it's poor pricing I'm not holding my breath for easy nor affordable DL burning from either camp.
Both formats are doing their damndest to turn the public off with their lack of information. I understand that pricing is not available yet but I think many of us are in for a rude awakening once the pricing does hit.
Boring. They're both going to be massive.
Still, I thought HD DVD had all the backing...but the 'mood' seems to have swung the other way. Blue Ray seems to have more storage and bigger write capacities...and 100Million plus PS3s may put the Hollywood studios over the top. I'm coming down on the side of Blue Ray at the moment.
Anyway, M$ is backing HD DVD? Another reason against it?
Diddlee dee.
It won't matter in ten years time when iPod Nano ram is big enough for everything.
Lemon Bon Bon
100 million when? 5 years after release? I'll be surprised if sony breaks 15 million units the first year.
Originally posted by hmurchison
Yes...that's really what many of us want. Irrefutable proof...not more press releases.
Check the avs link. HD DVD Recordable should be due out in May/June 2006. I don't see an advantage here. Both should be shipping within a quarter of each other.
Considering how crappy current DVD DL recording is and it's poor pricing I'm not holding my breath for easy nor affordable DL burning from either camp.
Both formats are doing their damndest to turn the public off with their lack of information. I understand that pricing is not available yet but I think many of us are in for a rude awakening once the pricing does hit.
Here's some stuff from HD DVD:
http://news.designtechnica.com/article8401.html
Now I can't find the other links. ARGHH!. The internet isn't always what it's cracked up yo be.
Originally posted by Lemon Bon Bon
HD DVD vs Blue Ray.
Boring. They're both going to be massive.
Still, I thought HD DVD had all the backing...but the 'mood' seems to have swung the other way. Blue Ray seems to have more storage and bigger write capacities...and 100Million plus PS3s may put the Hollywood studios over the top. I'm coming down on the side of Blue Ray at the moment.
Anyway, M$ is backing HD DVD? Another reason against it?
Diddlee dee.
It won't matter in ten years time when iPod Nano ram is big enough for everything.
Lemon Bon Bon
It's interesting too now because Intel is now trying to mediate between the two groups, but has been accused of being "tainted" by its earlier endorsement of HD DVD. MS has now said that it didn't think that HD DVD was a "long term standard".
The real reason why MS has turned away from BR is because they are using an industry developed version of Java to run the BR disks and players rather than the MS developed iHD software. MS has a lot to lose here. HD DVD uses the MS software.
Originally posted by webmail
What does any of this have to do with powerbooks coming on wednesday?
They will have a BR drive in the right side, a HD DVD in the left, a usual DVD one in the front and a... floppy drive in the back
Originally posted by PB
They will have a BR drive in the right side, a HD DVD in the left, a usual DVD one in the front and a... floppy drive in the back
Originally posted by webmail
No they won't, but they very likely will be a revision that includes a built in isight, as well as small speed bumps, faster memory, and a decent video card.
I wonder if an iSight will fit in the very thin space at the top of the cover where the latch is already taking up room.
Even if they want to put it to the side of the latch, which obviously wouldn't be as good, there is only a very thin space between the outer part of the top and the inner. Also not much vertical room from the top of the display which extends into the metal case above where the screen ends.
They might have to do a serious redesign to accommodate this.
Originally posted by webmail
No they won't, but they very likely will be a revision that includes a built in isight, as well as small speed bumps, faster memory, and a decent video card.
What about faster Hard drives?
Originally posted by melgross
The drives haven't been approved for production or in most cases even customer testing. No one has announced 12.5mm drives for testing either.
If there were drives, would HD DVD creation speed be a selling point for the hoped-for 2x2x2.5 G5's, in the same way that Apple promoted the speed of the dual G4's in encoding DVDs? SJ could say, "The new G5 Quadras with OS 10.4.3 and the brand new iDVD-HD can convert a full-length iMovie to an HD DVD so much faster than the best Wintel machine that ... that ... that we decided to switch to Intel chips to level the playing field."
Originally posted by dh87
If there were drives, would HD DVD creation speed be a selling point for the hoped-for 2x2x2.5 G5's, in the same way that Apple promoted the speed of the dual G4's in encoding DVDs? SJ could say, "The new G5 Quadras with OS 10.4.3 and the brand new iDVD-HD can convert a full-length iMovie to an HD DVD so much faster than the best Wintel machine that ... that ... that we decided to switch to Intel chips to level the playing field."
Why would there be a difference in creation speed between BR and HD drives?
As far as I know, they will both record at 2x speed. The codecs will be the same.