Why don't we all just skip HD-DVD and Blu-ray and go straight to holographic disks? 300GB per disk this fall and 1.6TB next year -- sounds like the winner to me. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11..._holo_storage/
Why don't we all just skip HD-DVD and Blu-ray and go straight to holographic disks? 300GB per disk this fall and 1.6TB next year -- sounds like the winner to me. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11..._holo_storage/
Holographic storage makes sense if capacity and speed are important to you. It's why I cannot get into Blu Ray or HD-DVD as archival solutions because they were designed to hold enough data to play back HD feature length films.
Yet the DRM is going to prevent that in current hardware until the supporting cast catches up. That means that if movie playback is important to me then neither platform is going to be ready. If storage is my primary concern then Holographic storage is far more appealing cost notwithstanding.
in the end i feel the ps3 will come in third behind xbox and nintendo.
people may call me crazy but we'll see if i'm not just brilliant
Dude that was hysterical.. Unless of course your serious. tHen your just talking out of your ass. Sony, and PS3 will lead the industry. As always. That is obvious.
Dude that was hysterical.. Unless of course your serious. tHen your just talking out of your ass. Sony, and PS3 will lead the industry. As always. That is obvious.
I've been in Hong Kong for the past week and it's obvious Sony is winning the portable battle over here. I've seen about a half dozen people toting PSPs on the MTR and zero people with DSes.
However, the PS3 loses a bigger share of the pie with every delay...especially with the vicious rumors that it will be ~$500-600 at launch (whenever that will be.)
At this point it's looking like Sony won't even have the PS3 ready in Japan by the end of 2006. How many of us are going to be willing to wait until spring 2007 for the PS3 when the XBox 360 will be available for $350, and be shipping with second generation Xenon chips and all the rev.1 kinks gone. I might buy a PS3 down the road...it depends, but I bought an XBox 360 just last week. Sony could have prevented that sale by being quicker to market or promising more.
Dude that was hysterical.. Unless of course your serious. tHen your just talking out of your ass. Sony, and PS3 will lead the industry. As always. That is obvious.
in the end i feel the ps3 will come in third behind xbox and nintendo.
people may call me crazy but we'll see if i'm not just brilliant
Both PS1 and PS2 sold massively well, so you have a huge userbase who will want a PS3. 51% of the market is PS2 with Xbox and Nintendo sharing the remaining 49%.
I think we will see a repeat but with Nintendo pushed further into 3rd by Xbox360.
Both PS1 and PS2 sold massively well, so you have a huge userbase who will want a PS3. 51% of the market is PS2 with Xbox and Nintendo sharing the remaining 49%.
I think we will see a repeat but with Nintendo pushed further into 3rd by Xbox360.
its cute all of you keep using past references to make up a future market and all but gamers are fickle bastards
sega had a loyal fanbase, they screwed up, then what happened?
ps3 so far has done nothing but kill its own hype.
ps3 so far has done nothing but kill its own hype.
Well it's still going to be one of the cheapest standalone BD players around, but it really is a PR disaster right now. From the gamepad design to the wild speculative pricing by Sony's own officials to the inevitable launch delay. There's a lot of damage control to be done.
Well it's still going to be one of the cheapest standalone BD players around, but it really is a PR disaster right now. From the gamepad design to the wild speculative pricing by Sony's own officials to the inevitable launch delay. There's a lot of damage control to be done.
I don't understand the hatred for Sony's "Boomerang" controller.
I don't think that anyone has actually held the controller yet. When
the Nintendo 64 controller was first revealed everyone was saying
the same thing that they're doing now with the PS3 controller. It
could be one of the most ergonomic controllers made. I'm holding
judgement until I actually have an opportunity to use it.
I've been in Hong Kong for the past week and it's obvious Sony is winning the portable battle over here. I've seen about a half dozen people toting PSPs on the MTR and zero people with DSes.
However, the PS3 loses a bigger share of the pie with every delay...especially with the vicious rumors that it will be ~$500-600 at launch (whenever that will be.)
At this point it's looking like Sony won't even have the PS3 ready in Japan by the end of 2006. How many of us are going to be willing to wait until spring 2007 for the PS3 when the XBox 360 will be available for $350, and be shipping with second generation Xenon chips and all the rev.1 kinks gone. I might buy a PS3 down the road...it depends, but I bought an XBox 360 just last week. Sony could have prevented that sale by being quicker to market or promising more.
Based on what? There has been one delay, from spring until fall and it appears the Microsofties hype of the 360 and the anti-hype of the PS3 has obviously impaired your outlook as there has been no indication of a further delay regarding the PS3. Moreover, with the PS3 to sell 1 million units per month starting in November, there ought to be 6 million units sold by your "spring 2007" prediction for the PS3. Also, I don't know what you mean by "promising more." What more do you want from the PS3? It obviously will be providing a built-in next generation HD drive with Blu-ray, which is noticeably absent in the 360 offering.
Furthermore, as Blackcat has stated, there was no massive switch to Xbox from the PS2, and even NOW there has been no massive switch to the Xbox 360. Factually speaking, the 360 launch in terms of sales has come well under what Microsoft was hoping to sell. And those of you who are anti-Sony think that all of a sudden a market shift will occur even with the PS3 on the horizon in November? Again, based on what?
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Nope not crazy just half retarded. The ps3 is gonna be one hell of a system.
I agree with Eugene. The PS3 has a lot of damage control to deal with. Of course launching in quantity Nov 2006 will go a long way towards this endeavor.
I expect Microsoft to make an announcement around this time to diffuse the momentum. Perhaps they'll start marketing their Xbox 360 HD-DVD add on.
Sony has way too much riding on the PS3. It has to be a bit of everything to all people.
the PS 3 will obviously blow that 360 thing away!!
This is the same kind of stuff we heard about the PS2 against the Sega Dreamcast. It's only hype from Sony. Looking back at the same arguments in 1999, the PS2 was backwards compatible with the PS1 and could also play DVDs while the Dreamcast did not include a DVD drive and this led to many people ignoring the fact that Sega's games were far superior to the projected PS2 lineup. When the PS2 finally did launch in 2000, the shortages made it the hot/hard to find item for Christmas while Dreamcast sat on the shelves.
At that point, the Dreamcast had been out for over a year, similar to how long the 360 will have been out when the PS3 finally launches this fall. One year after launch, the Dreamcast had a highly polished games lineup compared to the PS2 launch lineup which had games like Fantavision, Ridge Racer 5, and Summoner thrown in with games that were barely superior to the PS1 equivilents such as Tekken Tag Tournament and Madden 2001. Of course, EA also rushed out Madden 2006 for the Xbox 360 so they are equal opportunity with their crappy titles.
While the latest Dreamcast titles continued to trounce the PS2 in terms of graphics and features (the Dreamcast had online games at this point), people liked the fact that they could play PS1 games on their system and also liked the dual shock controller. Thinking about this now, I've had a PS2 since Thankgsiving of 2000 and I've probably used the PS1 backwards compatibility feature less than 10 times.
Eventually, production on the Dreamcast ceased and the PS2 developers finally started taking better advantage of the hardware.
The difference between the PS2 and the Dreamcast then and the PS3 and the Xbox 360 now is that most people *do not* have a HDTV. Most people are going to look at HD-DVDs and Blu-Ray discs and get no benefit out of them because they are still using standard TVs. So while Blu-Ray is thrown around as a feature every time the PS3 is mentioned, it's not going to be the reason that people pick the PS3 over the Xbox 360. DVDs were something everyone could use and appreciate on their existing TVs, Blu-Ray discs are not.
I took my 360 out to a party the other day where we hooked it up to a standard projector and later to a normal TV. I usually have it hooked up to my 1080p Samsung and while the 360 doesn't send a true 1080p signal, the TV will upconvert the picture from 1080i so it looks pretty darn good. Hooked up to a standard TV and the projector, the games looked good, but probably Xbox 1.5 good. It's a step up, not a leap like we saw from the PS1/N64 to the Dreamcast. No matter how powerful the PS3 is, the results will be the same for them on a standard TV. It will be a 'PS2.5'.
Right now, we know next to nothing about the PS3 other than the buzzwords. It has all been smoke and mirrors from Sony. We need to see some actual hardware and actual gameplay before we can really make any judgement about the system, not the CGI stuff they've been feeding us for over a year now. With the launch supposedly 6 months away, they should be able to give us that at least.
If not, we'll see the same stuff from Sony that we did back in the Dreamcast days. A PR and marketing blitz that 'proves' the technical superiority of the console, a shortage that drives demand through the roof, and finally a subpar launch lineup that is not on par with the 2nd round of Xbox 360 games.
For the people that aren't going to like the above post, I own every major console that has been released since the 1980s. The systems I currently have hooked up to my TV include the PS2, Xbox, Dreamcast, GameCube, Xbox 360, and the PS3 and Revolution are soon to come. I also have a PSP and DS for handheld gaming and there's no question that the PSP destroys the DS head to head yet the DS manages to hang in there somehow. Each console has it's own unique offerings that I know I want to try out so I inevitably end up buying them all.
I just get highly annoyed by people who assume that something will 'obviously blow it's competition away' when they haven't even seen the actual product in action and when we've seen from that company's history that it is simply *not true*.
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Originally posted by Res
Why don't we all just skip HD-DVD and Blu-ray and go straight to holographic disks? 300GB per disk this fall and 1.6TB next year -- sounds like the winner to me. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11..._holo_storage/
http://www.computerworld.com/hardwar...109994,00.html
Holographic storage makes sense if capacity and speed are important to you. It's why I cannot get into Blu Ray or HD-DVD as archival solutions because they were designed to hold enough data to play back HD feature length films.
Yet the DRM is going to prevent that in current hardware until the supporting cast catches up. That means that if movie playback is important to me then neither platform is going to be ready. If storage is my primary concern then Holographic storage is far more appealing cost notwithstanding.
Originally posted by Blackcat
MS is doing a lot of Blu-Ray bashing recently. I wonder if they are worried? PS3 should be at E3, so it's feasable they are doing anti-hype.
The PS3 will only be displayed behind closed doors at E3.
in the end i feel the ps3 will come in third behind xbox and nintendo.
people may call me crazy but we'll see if i'm not just brilliant
Originally posted by Elixir
at this point i dont even find the ps3 a threat.
in the end i feel the ps3 will come in third behind xbox and nintendo.
people may call me crazy but we'll see if i'm not just brilliant
Nope not crazy just half retarded. The ps3 is gonna be one hell of a system.
Originally posted by MacSuperiority
Nope not crazy just half retarded. The ps3 is gonna be one hell of a system.
yeah? you think so huh?
we'll see
bunch of bells and whistles
Originally posted by Elixir
at this point i dont even find the ps3 a threat.
in the end i feel the ps3 will come in third behind xbox and nintendo.
people may call me crazy but we'll see if i'm not just brilliant
Dude that was hysterical.. Unless of course your serious. tHen your just talking out of your ass. Sony, and PS3 will lead the industry. As always. That is obvious.
Originally posted by onlooker
Dude that was hysterical.. Unless of course your serious. tHen your just talking out of your ass. Sony, and PS3 will lead the industry. As always. That is obvious.
I've been in Hong Kong for the past week and it's obvious Sony is winning the portable battle over here. I've seen about a half dozen people toting PSPs on the MTR and zero people with DSes.
However, the PS3 loses a bigger share of the pie with every delay...especially with the vicious rumors that it will be ~$500-600 at launch (whenever that will be.)
At this point it's looking like Sony won't even have the PS3 ready in Japan by the end of 2006. How many of us are going to be willing to wait until spring 2007 for the PS3 when the XBox 360 will be available for $350, and be shipping with second generation Xenon chips and all the rev.1 kinks gone. I might buy a PS3 down the road...it depends, but I bought an XBox 360 just last week. Sony could have prevented that sale by being quicker to market or promising more.
Originally posted by onlooker
Dude that was hysterical.. Unless of course your serious. tHen your just talking out of your ass. Sony, and PS3 will lead the industry. As always. That is obvious.
keep laughing.
i swear i wont spare anyone when the time comes.
Originally posted by Elixir
at this point i dont even find the ps3 a threat.
in the end i feel the ps3 will come in third behind xbox and nintendo.
people may call me crazy but we'll see if i'm not just brilliant
Both PS1 and PS2 sold massively well, so you have a huge userbase who will want a PS3. 51% of the market is PS2 with Xbox and Nintendo sharing the remaining 49%.
I think we will see a repeat but with Nintendo pushed further into 3rd by Xbox360.
Originally posted by Blackcat
Both PS1 and PS2 sold massively well, so you have a huge userbase who will want a PS3. 51% of the market is PS2 with Xbox and Nintendo sharing the remaining 49%.
I think we will see a repeat but with Nintendo pushed further into 3rd by Xbox360.
its cute all of you keep using past references to make up a future market and all but gamers are fickle bastards
sega had a loyal fanbase, they screwed up, then what happened?
ps3 so far has done nothing but kill its own hype.
but we'll see
Originally posted by Elixir
ps3 so far has done nothing but kill its own hype.
Well it's still going to be one of the cheapest standalone BD players around, but it really is a PR disaster right now. From the gamepad design to the wild speculative pricing by Sony's own officials to the inevitable launch delay. There's a lot of damage control to be done.
Originally posted by Elixir
its cute all of you keep using past references to make up a future market and all but gamers are fickle bastards
There was no mass switch to Xbox despite it being better than PS2, why do you expect one now?
Originally posted by Eugene
Well it's still going to be one of the cheapest standalone BD players around, but it really is a PR disaster right now. From the gamepad design to the wild speculative pricing by Sony's own officials to the inevitable launch delay. There's a lot of damage control to be done.
I don't understand the hatred for Sony's "Boomerang" controller.
I don't think that anyone has actually held the controller yet. When
the Nintendo 64 controller was first revealed everyone was saying
the same thing that they're doing now with the PS3 controller. It
could be one of the most ergonomic controllers made. I'm holding
judgement until I actually have an opportunity to use it.
Originally posted by mello
I don't understand the hatred for Sony's "Boomerang" controller.
I don't think that anyone has actually held the controller yet. When
the Nintendo 64 controller was first revealed everyone was saying
the same thing that they're doing now with the PS3 controller. It
could be one of the most ergonomic controllers made. I'm holding
judgement until I actually have an opportunity to use it.
So you're the one! The one who likes that ugly thing. Even Sony hate it.
Isn't this thred meant to be about Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD
Originally posted by Eugene
I've been in Hong Kong for the past week and it's obvious Sony is winning the portable battle over here. I've seen about a half dozen people toting PSPs on the MTR and zero people with DSes.
However, the PS3 loses a bigger share of the pie with every delay...especially with the vicious rumors that it will be ~$500-600 at launch (whenever that will be.)
At this point it's looking like Sony won't even have the PS3 ready in Japan by the end of 2006. How many of us are going to be willing to wait until spring 2007 for the PS3 when the XBox 360 will be available for $350, and be shipping with second generation Xenon chips and all the rev.1 kinks gone. I might buy a PS3 down the road...it depends, but I bought an XBox 360 just last week. Sony could have prevented that sale by being quicker to market or promising more.
Based on what? There has been one delay, from spring until fall and it appears the Microsofties hype of the 360 and the anti-hype of the PS3 has obviously impaired your outlook as there has been no indication of a further delay regarding the PS3. Moreover, with the PS3 to sell 1 million units per month starting in November, there ought to be 6 million units sold by your "spring 2007" prediction for the PS3. Also, I don't know what you mean by "promising more." What more do you want from the PS3? It obviously will be providing a built-in next generation HD drive with Blu-ray, which is noticeably absent in the 360 offering.
Furthermore, as Blackcat has stated, there was no massive switch to Xbox from the PS2, and even NOW there has been no massive switch to the Xbox 360. Factually speaking, the 360 launch in terms of sales has come well under what Microsoft was hoping to sell. And those of you who are anti-Sony think that all of a sudden a market shift will occur even with the PS3 on the horizon in November? Again, based on what?
Nope not crazy just half retarded. The ps3 is gonna be one hell of a system.
I expect Microsoft to make an announcement around this time to diffuse the momentum. Perhaps they'll start marketing their Xbox 360 HD-DVD add on.
Sony has way too much riding on the PS3. It has to be a bit of everything to all people.
Besides the suspected rip-off price-tag the PS 3 will obviously blow that 360 thing away!!
the PS 3 will obviously blow that 360 thing away!!
This is the same kind of stuff we heard about the PS2 against the Sega Dreamcast. It's only hype from Sony. Looking back at the same arguments in 1999, the PS2 was backwards compatible with the PS1 and could also play DVDs while the Dreamcast did not include a DVD drive and this led to many people ignoring the fact that Sega's games were far superior to the projected PS2 lineup. When the PS2 finally did launch in 2000, the shortages made it the hot/hard to find item for Christmas while Dreamcast sat on the shelves.
At that point, the Dreamcast had been out for over a year, similar to how long the 360 will have been out when the PS3 finally launches this fall. One year after launch, the Dreamcast had a highly polished games lineup compared to the PS2 launch lineup which had games like Fantavision, Ridge Racer 5, and Summoner thrown in with games that were barely superior to the PS1 equivilents such as Tekken Tag Tournament and Madden 2001. Of course, EA also rushed out Madden 2006 for the Xbox 360 so they are equal opportunity with their crappy titles.
While the latest Dreamcast titles continued to trounce the PS2 in terms of graphics and features (the Dreamcast had online games at this point), people liked the fact that they could play PS1 games on their system and also liked the dual shock controller. Thinking about this now, I've had a PS2 since Thankgsiving of 2000 and I've probably used the PS1 backwards compatibility feature less than 10 times.
Eventually, production on the Dreamcast ceased and the PS2 developers finally started taking better advantage of the hardware.
The difference between the PS2 and the Dreamcast then and the PS3 and the Xbox 360 now is that most people *do not* have a HDTV. Most people are going to look at HD-DVDs and Blu-Ray discs and get no benefit out of them because they are still using standard TVs. So while Blu-Ray is thrown around as a feature every time the PS3 is mentioned, it's not going to be the reason that people pick the PS3 over the Xbox 360. DVDs were something everyone could use and appreciate on their existing TVs, Blu-Ray discs are not.
I took my 360 out to a party the other day where we hooked it up to a standard projector and later to a normal TV. I usually have it hooked up to my 1080p Samsung and while the 360 doesn't send a true 1080p signal, the TV will upconvert the picture from 1080i so it looks pretty darn good. Hooked up to a standard TV and the projector, the games looked good, but probably Xbox 1.5 good. It's a step up, not a leap like we saw from the PS1/N64 to the Dreamcast. No matter how powerful the PS3 is, the results will be the same for them on a standard TV. It will be a 'PS2.5'.
Right now, we know next to nothing about the PS3 other than the buzzwords. It has all been smoke and mirrors from Sony. We need to see some actual hardware and actual gameplay before we can really make any judgement about the system, not the CGI stuff they've been feeding us for over a year now. With the launch supposedly 6 months away, they should be able to give us that at least.
If not, we'll see the same stuff from Sony that we did back in the Dreamcast days. A PR and marketing blitz that 'proves' the technical superiority of the console, a shortage that drives demand through the roof, and finally a subpar launch lineup that is not on par with the 2nd round of Xbox 360 games.
For the people that aren't going to like the above post, I own every major console that has been released since the 1980s. The systems I currently have hooked up to my TV include the PS2, Xbox, Dreamcast, GameCube, Xbox 360, and the PS3 and Revolution are soon to come. I also have a PSP and DS for handheld gaming and there's no question that the PSP destroys the DS head to head yet the DS manages to hang in there somehow. Each console has it's own unique offerings that I know I want to try out so I inevitably end up buying them all.
I just get highly annoyed by people who assume that something will 'obviously blow it's competition away' when they haven't even seen the actual product in action and when we've seen from that company's history that it is simply *not true*.
The same will apply to the PS 3. Deal with it.