I can already see blu-ray and hd-dvd discussions are about as intense as religion discussions. I already want to kill the blu-ray supporters.... not an easy death either, something slow, painful, and extreme. I'm thinking piano wire.
Either way, Blu-ray media is much more complicated than hd-dvd. There is more too it. I would go as far as calling blu-ray DVD-RAM and hd-dvd dvdr because of the designs. I can't see it being easier to produce a blu-ray disc as opposed to a hd-dvd disc. It would take longer... IMO... for a blu-ray price to drop than an hd-dvd. You guys are playing with FIRE having Sony created media as a standard. Women will cry, children's ears will bleed. It will be the end of the world as we know it.
When i say cost or price... i'm more thinking of the media I can go pick up at best buy and burn with. If blu-ray is even $.50 more a disc than hd-dvd... than I'd go with hd-dvd.
Either way, nothing at this point will get me to migrate to blu-ray. I don't care how superior it is, what makes it great. 4 letters will keep me from using it forever... S.O.N.Y.
I can already see blu-ray and hd-dvd discussions are about as intense as religion discussions. I already want to kill the blu-ray supporters.... not an easy death either, something slow, painful, and extreme. I'm thinking piano wire.
Either way, Blu-ray media is much more complicated than hd-dvd. There is more too it. I would go as far as calling blu-ray DVD-RAM and hd-dvd dvdr because of the designs. I can't see it being easier to produce a blu-ray disc as opposed to a hd-dvd disc. It would take longer... IMO... for a blu-ray price to drop than an hd-dvd. You guys are playing with FIRE having Sony created media as a standard. Women will cry, children's ears will bleed. It will be the end of the world as we know it.
When i say cost or price... i'm more thinking of the media I can go pick up at best buy and burn with. If blu-ray is even $.50 more a disc than hd-dvd... than I'd go with hd-dvd.
Either way, nothing at this point will get me to migrate to blu-ray. I don't care how superior it is, what makes it great. 4 letters will keep me from using it forever... S.O.N.Y.
Well then, I guess someone is going to be quite unhappy for quite some time when Blu-ray becomes the de facto standard. Oh well, I guess you'll always have the piano wire to use on yourself.
Well then, I guess someone is going to be quite unhappy for quite some time when Blu-ray becomes the de facto standard. Oh well, I guess you'll always have the piano wire to use on yourself.
As long as the PS3 is not a complete flop, then Blu-ray is a shoe-in. Even 20% market share means 40 million Blu-ray players vs very few HD-DVD players.
As long as the PS3 is not a complete flop, then Blu-ray is a shoe-in. Even 20% market share means 40 million Blu-ray players vs very few HD-DVD players.
Wait a minute %20 of 40 million is 200 Million players. Are you honestly thinking that the PS3 is going to sell 200 Million players?
I think they might have a hard time shipping the thing and keeping it relatively bug free
We're also discounting the Xbox360. If there truly is demand for movie playing capabilities in a game console then logic would dictate that the same percentage of Xbox360 owners would upgrade to HD DVD players as well. Microsoft forcasted 4.5-5.5 Million Xbox360 sales by the end of this month. I don't know how close they are to that goal but I think it's rather presumpuous to assume that the PS3 is the only game in town.
Wait a minute %20 of 40 million is 200 Million players.
The PS2 has 56% market share right now, and has sold 110,000 players. The total market is 200 million players now, and more once the next gen replaces the last gen.
And yes, 20% of 200 million is 40 million.
Why would any xbox owner buy the HD-DVD expansion? It will probably cost just as much as a stand alone player, and most of the people with HDTVs and 360s will also have PS3s.
PS3 owners don't buy the unit to play Blu-ray disks. However, when a PS3 owner wants to play HD movies, they will realise that they can play blu-ray disks on their PS3.
And studios will look at the number of players in the market, and realise that they should pick Blu-ray.
Blu-ray is unstopable unless the PS3 totally flops.
Blu-ray is unstopable unless the PS3 totally flops.
I don't know how well you've been following the ps3 info. But nothing good has come from it yet. The Cell is underperoforming expectations. Graphics aren't that great. The system is expensive... I honestly don't see a 500 or 600 dollar player selling like the ps2 did. The ps2 was 300 when it was released? The ps3 is gonna be DOUBLE. Even the ps2 had hard times selling after the initial holiday sales because of price. Once it hit sub 200 it started selling like mad. So we'll see. As much as I hate the xbox (ie m$) I see them doing a lot better up against the ps3.
ALSO game development is MUCH more difficult with the ps3. There was an article with john carmack and how the games have to be compiled... basically said the xbox 360 is much more superior when it comes to game development and the ps2 is unnecessarily hard to dev for. This may prove less games for the ps3. I have yet to hear anything positive for the ps3. Even the fan boys are tearing it apart.
Blu-ray is unstopable unless the PS3 totally flops.
I further disagree with this... in that I don't know any of my friends that use their ps2 to watch dvds. I think i've done it 1 time in the 3 years i've owned mine.
Just because it has the capability doesn't necessarily mean it's a shoe-in.
I don't know how well you've been following the ps3 info. But nothing good has come from it yet. The Cell is underperoforming expectations. Graphics aren't that great. The system is expensive... I honestly don't see a 500 or 600 dollar player selling like the ps2 did. The ps2 was 300 when it was released? The ps3 is gonna be DOUBLE. Even the ps2 had hard times selling after the initial holiday sales because of price. Once it hit sub 200 it started selling like mad. So we'll see. As much as I hate the xbox (ie m$) I see them doing a lot better up against the ps3.
ALSO game development is MUCH more difficult with the ps3. There was an article with john carmack and how the games have to be compiled... basically said the xbox 360 is much more superior when it comes to game development and the ps2 is unnecessarily hard to dev for. This may prove less games for the ps3. I have yet to hear anything positive for the ps3. Even the fan boys are tearing it apart.
If you go back a couple pages, you will see that I agree with you. I was taking that into account when I changed my estimate from 70% market share (best case) to 20% market share (worst case).
There are still plenty of people who will buy one, myself included. If the cell is hard to program for, that just means that games will get better over the years - and even with that disadvantage they look as good as 360 games do now (so they will look a lot better in a couple years).
The PS3 is competing not just with other consoles, but also with low-level computers. It will be a computer, a powerful and cheap linux computer - no other cheap computer will be able to compete with it.
If you go back a couple pages, you will see that I agree with you. I was taking that into account when I changed my estimate from 70% market share (best case) to 20% market share (worst case).
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There are still plenty of people who will buy one, myself included. If the cell is hard to program for, that just means that games will get better over the years - and even with that disadvantage they look as good as 360 games do now (so they will look a lot better in a couple years).
I don't follow your logic that if the cell is hard to program for it means the games will get better. What my point was... is this could be a road block for some developers. It's the development cyle that is bad.
The PS3 is competing not just with other consoles, but also with low-level computers. It will be a computer, a powerful and cheap linux computer - no other cheap computer will be able to compete with it.
I am a linux guru... or at least try to be. I would NEVER in a million years purchase a ps3 over a cheap computer. Why? What for? You're telling me that I won't be able to build a computer to compete with the ps3 on power? From what I understand about the cell is it is lacking when it comes to integer calculations. That is VERY bad for desktop applications. So please tell me the compelling reason for buying a ps3 over a DIY computer? Even if it is competing... so? Do you think it would change the numbers that much anyways? The linux market is so small already. Only a small fraction of them would consider doing that... would those numbers even be noticeable?
I further disagree with this... in that I don't know any of my friends that use their ps2 to watch dvds. I think i've done it 1 time in the 3 years i've owned mine.
Just because it has the capability doesn't necessarily mean it's a shoe-in.
The difference is that DVDs were already entrenched by the time PS2 came out. Most everybody had a DVD player already and if you didn't, they're dirt cheap. The situation is different with Blu-Ray. PS3 is coming in early in the cycle, when players (both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD) are relatively expensive and few people have them. That's why it can swing the pendulum to Blu-Ray.
I don't follow your logic that if the cell is hard to program for it means the games will get better. What my point was... is this could be a road block for some developers. It's the development cyle that is bad.
If programming is a pain in the ass, then it follows that the current games are not using the PS3 to its full potential. The current crop of games was rushed out on both the xbox360 and the PS3, but since the 360 is easier to program for more of its capibility is being realised by the current games.
When the game programmers get more used to the way that the PS3 works, then the games will improve. Since the xbox360 games currently look about the same as the PS3 games, it follows that the PS3 games will look better than the 360 games in a couple years time (because the PS3 must have a higher "ultimate potential" than the 360 - otherwise the handicap of "pain in the ass programming" would make the current PS3 games look worse than the current xbox games).
Anyway, Carmac is a whiner - I have programmed i86 assembly, IBM mainframes, LISP, and Prolog - I doubt that PS3 programming is worse than anything that I have seen before.
The 1500 unit in Japan figure comes from Asahi Shimbun.
The other is from videobusiness not ign.
Besides, an IGN quote is STILL better than a quote from some guy on some forum. If Toshiba did 50K units and projects 300K units by end of the year then I'd think they WOULD be touting that number around.
Also as someone else pointed out on AVS, if these numbers are true HD-DVD sales attach rates are pitifully low.
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Robert's rep is just fine AVS he call'em like he seems them. He doesn't carry a torch for either format. When Blu-Ray comes he'll sell as many of those as he can.
Didn't come across that way. Evidently he has been wrong in the past about what he says is "true". No other poster on that thread (besides perhaps you) gave much creedence to his assertions.
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Toshiba doesn't divulge sales numbers but their certainly going to be higher than Marzetta7's 12k quote.
So why does googling HD-DVD keep coming up with estimates in the same ballpark or lower except some random poster on AVS? Because everyone is a BR fan?
Anyway, Carmac is a whiner - I have programmed i86 assembly, IBM mainframes, LISP, and Prolog - I doubt that PS3 programming is worse than anything that I have seen before.
If you READ / or listened to the link I gave you, You would have noticed it wasn't the LANGUAGE that was the problem, It was the process. Any idiot can write code. But it takes skills to write it efficiently. His whole point was how the games are put together / compiled isn't efficient. There isn't a smooth way to do it because of how modular it is. And when I say modular I don't mean OOP, I mean a bunch of sub modules that don't do specific actions, but part of actions. Basically taking a class and splitting it into 8. The cell architecture demends executing code in sub-parts. So think of it as having a function and each part of that function going to different parts of the processor to be executed simulataneously. Doesn't make sense, except from a speed point of view.
Carmac is a whiner? I'd whine too if I had to put up with such idiocy. Obviously IBM didn't think the whole development cycle through with cell.
Anyway, Carmac is a whiner - I have programmed i86 assembly, IBM mainframes, LISP, and Prolog - I doubt that PS3 programming is worse than anything that I have seen before.
Bingo. Carmack is a dinosaur, and an overrated one at that. "I programmed Doom and Quake" just doesn't hold up any more. It's pretty evident to me that he never had a good, formal education in CS. If he had, he would be have been through the obligatory EE-crossover class, and wouldn't be so whiney. Not too mention, he would not be so naive about interrupts and multi-threading.
Anyway, I bet the PS3 development evironment was conceived and produced by computer people, and is indeed overly complex and foolish. There are two, field proven, reliable, and simple programming languages that have been used to develop massively parallel systems for over 20 years now: they are Verilog and VHDL. Computer people are more stubborn and resistant to change than any other engineers I've met, but now it's time to adapt. Hyperpipelining is dead, and it's about damn time for the software designers to carry the torch again. If Carmack is the standard bearer for the software industry, then it's fitting that he's whining: that's what they've done every time a cool technology comes out, and now they just have to suck it up.
[Carmac is a whiner? I'd whine too if I had to put up with such idiocy. Obviously IBM didn't think the whole development cycle through with cell. [/B]
Interesting how IBM didn't think the whole development cycle through with cell, seeing how Sony and Toshiba co-developed the chip as well. What's that!? Not your beloved Toshiba?...yes, your beloved Toshiba.
And you know better than IBM, Sony, and Toshiba combined? If so, I would think you'd be some rich engineer somewhere, not wasting your time on an AppleInsider forum then. Obviously, that is not the case, so what do you recommend there ol Linux guru? What type of architecture should they have come up with, with such idiocy on their part?
On another note, here is some great information regarding Blu-ray technology. This particular part of the site was built so that people can find out about all things Blu-ray...
We're also discounting the Xbox360. If there truly is demand for movie playing capabilities in a game console then logic would dictate that the same percentage of Xbox360 owners would upgrade to HD DVD players as well. Microsoft forcasted 4.5-5.5 Million Xbox360 sales by the end of this month. I don't know how close they are to that goal but I think it's rather presumpuous to assume that the PS3 is the only game in town.
Yeah, upgrade to the Xbox HD DVD players, with no HDMI port and a whopping 720P resolution. Good call!
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Either way, Blu-ray media is much more complicated than hd-dvd. There is more too it. I would go as far as calling blu-ray DVD-RAM and hd-dvd dvdr because of the designs. I can't see it being easier to produce a blu-ray disc as opposed to a hd-dvd disc. It would take longer... IMO... for a blu-ray price to drop than an hd-dvd. You guys are playing with FIRE having Sony created media as a standard. Women will cry, children's ears will bleed. It will be the end of the world as we know it.
When i say cost or price... i'm more thinking of the media I can go pick up at best buy and burn with. If blu-ray is even $.50 more a disc than hd-dvd... than I'd go with hd-dvd.
Either way, nothing at this point will get me to migrate to blu-ray. I don't care how superior it is, what makes it great. 4 letters will keep me from using it forever... S.O.N.Y.
Originally posted by hmurchison
I'm not going to be surpised if I get a much higher Blu-Ray quote if you catch my drift.
Count me in on that as well.
I can already see blu-ray and hd-dvd discussions are about as intense as religion discussions
I don't care how superior it is, what makes it great. 4 letters will keep me from using it forever... S.O.N.Y.
Admitting you won't use Blu-ray no matter how superior it may be because Sony made it sounds solidly religiously fervent to me.
Originally posted by emig647
I can already see blu-ray and hd-dvd discussions are about as intense as religion discussions. I already want to kill the blu-ray supporters.... not an easy death either, something slow, painful, and extreme. I'm thinking piano wire.
Either way, Blu-ray media is much more complicated than hd-dvd. There is more too it. I would go as far as calling blu-ray DVD-RAM and hd-dvd dvdr because of the designs. I can't see it being easier to produce a blu-ray disc as opposed to a hd-dvd disc. It would take longer... IMO... for a blu-ray price to drop than an hd-dvd. You guys are playing with FIRE having Sony created media as a standard. Women will cry, children's ears will bleed. It will be the end of the world as we know it.
When i say cost or price... i'm more thinking of the media I can go pick up at best buy and burn with. If blu-ray is even $.50 more a disc than hd-dvd... than I'd go with hd-dvd.
Either way, nothing at this point will get me to migrate to blu-ray. I don't care how superior it is, what makes it great. 4 letters will keep me from using it forever... S.O.N.Y.
Well then, I guess someone is going to be quite unhappy for quite some time when Blu-ray becomes the de facto standard. Oh well, I guess you'll always have the piano wire to use on yourself.
Originally posted by marzetta7
Well then, I guess someone is going to be quite unhappy for quite some time when Blu-ray becomes the de facto standard. Oh well, I guess you'll always have the piano wire to use on yourself.
As long as the PS3 is not a complete flop, then Blu-ray is a shoe-in. Even 20% market share means 40 million Blu-ray players vs very few HD-DVD players.
Originally posted by e1618978
As long as the PS3 is not a complete flop, then Blu-ray is a shoe-in. Even 20% market share means 40 million Blu-ray players vs very few HD-DVD players.
Wait a minute %20 of 40 million is 200 Million players. Are you honestly thinking that the PS3 is going to sell 200 Million players?
I think they might have a hard time shipping the thing and keeping it relatively bug free
PS3 hardware may not be finalized
We're also discounting the Xbox360. If there truly is demand for movie playing capabilities in a game console then logic would dictate that the same percentage of Xbox360 owners would upgrade to HD DVD players as well. Microsoft forcasted 4.5-5.5 Million Xbox360 sales by the end of this month. I don't know how close they are to that goal but I think it's rather presumpuous to assume that the PS3 is the only game in town.
Originally posted by hmurchison
Wait a minute %20 of 40 million is 200 Million players.
The PS2 has 56% market share right now, and has sold 110,000 players. The total market is 200 million players now, and more once the next gen replaces the last gen.
And yes, 20% of 200 million is 40 million.
Why would any xbox owner buy the HD-DVD expansion? It will probably cost just as much as a stand alone player, and most of the people with HDTVs and 360s will also have PS3s.
PS3 owners don't buy the unit to play Blu-ray disks. However, when a PS3 owner wants to play HD movies, they will realise that they can play blu-ray disks on their PS3.
And studios will look at the number of players in the market, and realise that they should pick Blu-ray.
Blu-ray is unstopable unless the PS3 totally flops.
Originally posted by e1618978
Blu-ray is unstopable unless the PS3 totally flops.
I don't know how well you've been following the ps3 info. But nothing good has come from it yet. The Cell is underperoforming expectations. Graphics aren't that great. The system is expensive... I honestly don't see a 500 or 600 dollar player selling like the ps2 did. The ps2 was 300 when it was released? The ps3 is gonna be DOUBLE. Even the ps2 had hard times selling after the initial holiday sales because of price. Once it hit sub 200 it started selling like mad. So we'll see. As much as I hate the xbox (ie m$) I see them doing a lot better up against the ps3.
ALSO game development is MUCH more difficult with the ps3. There was an article with john carmack and how the games have to be compiled... basically said the xbox 360 is much more superior when it comes to game development and the ps2 is unnecessarily hard to dev for. This may prove less games for the ps3. I have yet to hear anything positive for the ps3. Even the fan boys are tearing it apart.
Originally posted by e1618978
Blu-ray is unstopable unless the PS3 totally flops.
I further disagree with this... in that I don't know any of my friends that use their ps2 to watch dvds. I think i've done it 1 time in the 3 years i've owned mine.
Just because it has the capability doesn't necessarily mean it's a shoe-in.
Originally posted by emig647
I don't know how well you've been following the ps3 info. But nothing good has come from it yet. The Cell is underperoforming expectations. Graphics aren't that great. The system is expensive... I honestly don't see a 500 or 600 dollar player selling like the ps2 did. The ps2 was 300 when it was released? The ps3 is gonna be DOUBLE. Even the ps2 had hard times selling after the initial holiday sales because of price. Once it hit sub 200 it started selling like mad. So we'll see. As much as I hate the xbox (ie m$) I see them doing a lot better up against the ps3.
ALSO game development is MUCH more difficult with the ps3. There was an article with john carmack and how the games have to be compiled... basically said the xbox 360 is much more superior when it comes to game development and the ps2 is unnecessarily hard to dev for. This may prove less games for the ps3. I have yet to hear anything positive for the ps3. Even the fan boys are tearing it apart.
If you go back a couple pages, you will see that I agree with you. I was taking that into account when I changed my estimate from 70% market share (best case) to 20% market share (worst case).
There are still plenty of people who will buy one, myself included. If the cell is hard to program for, that just means that games will get better over the years - and even with that disadvantage they look as good as 360 games do now (so they will look a lot better in a couple years).
The PS3 is competing not just with other consoles, but also with low-level computers. It will be a computer, a powerful and cheap linux computer - no other cheap computer will be able to compete with it.
Originally posted by e1618978
If you go back a couple pages, you will see that I agree with you. I was taking that into account when I changed my estimate from 70% market share (best case) to 20% market share (worst case).
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There are still plenty of people who will buy one, myself included. If the cell is hard to program for, that just means that games will get better over the years - and even with that disadvantage they look as good as 360 games do now (so they will look a lot better in a couple years).
I don't follow your logic that if the cell is hard to program for it means the games will get better. What my point was... is this could be a road block for some developers. It's the development cyle that is bad.
John Carmack on PS3 "Pain In My Ass"
The PS3 is competing not just with other consoles, but also with low-level computers. It will be a computer, a powerful and cheap linux computer - no other cheap computer will be able to compete with it.
I am a linux guru... or at least try to be. I would NEVER in a million years purchase a ps3 over a cheap computer. Why? What for? You're telling me that I won't be able to build a computer to compete with the ps3 on power? From what I understand about the cell is it is lacking when it comes to integer calculations. That is VERY bad for desktop applications. So please tell me the compelling reason for buying a ps3 over a DIY computer? Even if it is competing... so? Do you think it would change the numbers that much anyways? The linux market is so small already. Only a small fraction of them would consider doing that... would those numbers even be noticeable?
Originally posted by emig647
I further disagree with this... in that I don't know any of my friends that use their ps2 to watch dvds. I think i've done it 1 time in the 3 years i've owned mine.
Just because it has the capability doesn't necessarily mean it's a shoe-in.
The difference is that DVDs were already entrenched by the time PS2 came out. Most everybody had a DVD player already and if you didn't, they're dirt cheap. The situation is different with Blu-Ray. PS3 is coming in early in the cycle, when players (both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD) are relatively expensive and few people have them. That's why it can swing the pendulum to Blu-Ray.
Originally posted by emig647
I don't follow your logic that if the cell is hard to program for it means the games will get better. What my point was... is this could be a road block for some developers. It's the development cyle that is bad.
John Carmack on PS3 "Pain In My Ass"
If programming is a pain in the ass, then it follows that the current games are not using the PS3 to its full potential. The current crop of games was rushed out on both the xbox360 and the PS3, but since the 360 is easier to program for more of its capibility is being realised by the current games.
When the game programmers get more used to the way that the PS3 works, then the games will improve. Since the xbox360 games currently look about the same as the PS3 games, it follows that the PS3 games will look better than the 360 games in a couple years time (because the PS3 must have a higher "ultimate potential" than the 360 - otherwise the handicap of "pain in the ass programming" would make the current PS3 games look worse than the current xbox games).
Anyway, Carmac is a whiner - I have programmed i86 assembly, IBM mainframes, LISP, and Prolog - I doubt that PS3 programming is worse than anything that I have seen before.
Originally posted by hmurchison
vinea....IGN????
The 1500 unit in Japan figure comes from Asahi Shimbun.
The other is from videobusiness not ign.
Besides, an IGN quote is STILL better than a quote from some guy on some forum. If Toshiba did 50K units and projects 300K units by end of the year then I'd think they WOULD be touting that number around.
Also as someone else pointed out on AVS, if these numbers are true HD-DVD sales attach rates are pitifully low.
Robert's rep is just fine AVS he call'em like he seems them. He doesn't carry a torch for either format. When Blu-Ray comes he'll sell as many of those as he can.
Didn't come across that way. Evidently he has been wrong in the past about what he says is "true". No other poster on that thread (besides perhaps you) gave much creedence to his assertions.
Toshiba doesn't divulge sales numbers but their certainly going to be higher than Marzetta7's 12k quote.
So why does googling HD-DVD keep coming up with estimates in the same ballpark or lower except some random poster on AVS? Because everyone is a BR fan?
Vinea
Originally posted by e1618978
Anyway, Carmac is a whiner - I have programmed i86 assembly, IBM mainframes, LISP, and Prolog - I doubt that PS3 programming is worse than anything that I have seen before.
If you READ / or listened to the link I gave you, You would have noticed it wasn't the LANGUAGE that was the problem, It was the process. Any idiot can write code. But it takes skills to write it efficiently. His whole point was how the games are put together / compiled isn't efficient. There isn't a smooth way to do it because of how modular it is. And when I say modular I don't mean OOP, I mean a bunch of sub modules that don't do specific actions, but part of actions. Basically taking a class and splitting it into 8. The cell architecture demends executing code in sub-parts. So think of it as having a function and each part of that function going to different parts of the processor to be executed simulataneously. Doesn't make sense, except from a speed point of view.
Carmac is a whiner? I'd whine too if I had to put up with such idiocy. Obviously IBM didn't think the whole development cycle through with cell.
Originally posted by e1618978
Anyway, Carmac is a whiner - I have programmed i86 assembly, IBM mainframes, LISP, and Prolog - I doubt that PS3 programming is worse than anything that I have seen before.
Bingo. Carmack is a dinosaur, and an overrated one at that. "I programmed Doom and Quake" just doesn't hold up any more. It's pretty evident to me that he never had a good, formal education in CS. If he had, he would be have been through the obligatory EE-crossover class, and wouldn't be so whiney. Not too mention, he would not be so naive about interrupts and multi-threading.
Anyway, I bet the PS3 development evironment was conceived and produced by computer people, and is indeed overly complex and foolish. There are two, field proven, reliable, and simple programming languages that have been used to develop massively parallel systems for over 20 years now: they are Verilog and VHDL. Computer people are more stubborn and resistant to change than any other engineers I've met, but now it's time to adapt. Hyperpipelining is dead, and it's about damn time for the software designers to carry the torch again. If Carmack is the standard bearer for the software industry, then it's fitting that he's whining: that's what they've done every time a cool technology comes out, and now they just have to suck it up.
Originally posted by emig647
[Carmac is a whiner? I'd whine too if I had to put up with such idiocy. Obviously IBM didn't think the whole development cycle through with cell. [/B]
Interesting how IBM didn't think the whole development cycle through with cell, seeing how Sony and Toshiba co-developed the chip as well. What's that!? Not your beloved Toshiba?...yes, your beloved Toshiba.
And you know better than IBM, Sony, and Toshiba combined? If so, I would think you'd be some rich engineer somewhere, not wasting your time on an AppleInsider forum then. Obviously, that is not the case, so what do you recommend there ol Linux guru? What type of architecture should they have come up with, with such idiocy on their part?
http://www.emedialive.com/Articles/R...rticleID=11392
Some really good in depth information.
Originally posted by hmurchison
Wait a minute %20 of 40 million is 200 Million players. Are you honestly thinking that the PS3 is going to sell 200 Million players?
I think they might have a hard time shipping the thing and keeping it relatively bug free
PS3 hardware may not be finalized
We're also discounting the Xbox360. If there truly is demand for movie playing capabilities in a game console then logic would dictate that the same percentage of Xbox360 owners would upgrade to HD DVD players as well. Microsoft forcasted 4.5-5.5 Million Xbox360 sales by the end of this month. I don't know how close they are to that goal but I think it's rather presumpuous to assume that the PS3 is the only game in town.
Yeah, upgrade to the Xbox HD DVD players, with no HDMI port and a whopping 720P resolution. Good call!
http://www.twice.com/article/CA6341562.html
Along with this, news about forthcoming TVs all being 1080P input capable.