I don't think you ever will. Why? Spreadsheets aren't "creative." They don't cause you to "Think different." They're boring business apps and I don't see Apple creating one.
Wrong.
Apple will release a Cocoa Spreadsheet.
More to the point, it must advance the strengths of Improv on NeXTSTEP with the strengths of Quantrix by Lighthouse Design that would make folks used to Excel comfortable.
Apple will eventually offer a complete Cocoa Office Suite. It's a matter of time. I expect them to use the OpenDocumentFormat where it makes sense. I also expect it to support the Office Open XML formats (12 in all).
Apple would be best served being able to interchange, based upon specific namespaces and schema which handle both sides of the fence.
Apple would separate itself with their implementation and strengths of app design.
Yeah, well I guess "produce" means different things to different people. We can also "produce" a document in Textedit.
iLife is, and has always been, compromised of two types of applications: content creation and content organization. iMovie, iDVD and GarageBand create. iTunes and iPhoto organize.
That would explain why Apple evangelise it on their website though.
A lot of people don't know that apple owns it. It's under the name of Filemaker Inc.
They do that so when the professional catalogs have the pages for the various products, Filemaker doesn't come up as an Apple product, just Filemaker Inc.
There is still much resistance to Apple products in the corporate world. If some companies realized that Apple owned it, they wouldn't use it. So, this way, they don't deal with Apple at all.
There is still much resistance to Apple products in the corporate world. If some companies realized that Apple owned it, they wouldn't use it. So, this way, they don't deal with Apple at all.
iLife is, and has always been, compromised of two types of applications: content creation and content organization. iMovie, iDVD and GarageBand create. iTunes and iPhoto organize.
I won't argue the point. But, iPhoto can also be used to "produce" a book for printing by Apple. So, some of this is blurred (no pun intended. )
But the original comment that was made referred to Garageband vs other unspecified programs in the suite.
They're 'building a replacement to AppleWorks. They have to build one. Many designers and consumers need spreadsheets for basic accounting etc. I use a spreadsheet regularly and I'm in a creative field. Apple need to offer its consumers a free basic suite of applications for those who do not need the full office experience. Although I am aware iWork isn't free - it should be though. Well a basic app that's above TextEdit is needed anyway!
Keynote is a solid app so I can understand paying for that but an AppleWorks replacement should be free.
I'll tell you what. Why don't you spend millions and come out with a app suite so all of us can tell YOU to release it for free.
But, iPhoto can also be used to "produce" a book for printing by Apple. So, some of this is blurred (no pun intended. )
Sure.
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But the original comment that was made referred to Garageband vs other unspecified programs in the suite.
The original comment was that GarageBand deserves to have a different look based on the fact that it's the only iLife application that focuses on content production. I would strongly argue that. iMovie is in many ways for video what GarageBand is for music.
None of the iLife apps are designed to compete in the same space as their professional counterparts.
Appearance - I know they shouldn't compete and I know I'm more of a pro than a consumer but it would be nice to see the better aesthetics in the amateur programs, if only to inspire consumers more!
Appearance - I know they shouldn't compete and I know I'm more of a pro than a consumer but it would be nice to see the better aesthetics in the amateur programs, if only to inspire consumers more!
Actually, I find the whole dark grey and small fonts pro appearance horribly annoying to use. And it's a tad dark too. If they did a Final Cut that used normal OSX appearance I'd be much happier.
I'm not a musician so Garageband doesn't interest me but it certainly is the odd one out in the iLife suite.
It'll be interesting to see if the iLife06 apps continue down the horrible mistake that is iTunes6's interface.
Ok, they should be free to new Macs - that's what I meant!
Nothing is free. You're paying for them with a new Mac too.
I imagine that when iWork is capable of doing enough of what AppleWorks does then it too will be included with new Macs and AppleWorks will be dropped. It's not there yet.
They'd have to add a spreadsheet, a drawing program and a database. If they do all that next week I'll be impressed and the credit card will be straight out for it although I suspect it'll be out anyway just for a Pages update.
I've no real interest in the Intel Macs at all just yet (6 months to a year maybe I will) but software improvements I want now.
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Originally posted by CosmoNut
I don't think you ever will. Why? Spreadsheets aren't "creative." They don't cause you to "Think different." They're boring business apps and I don't see Apple creating one.
Wrong.
Apple will release a Cocoa Spreadsheet.
More to the point, it must advance the strengths of Improv on NeXTSTEP with the strengths of Quantrix by Lighthouse Design that would make folks used to Excel comfortable.
Apple will eventually offer a complete Cocoa Office Suite. It's a matter of time. I expect them to use the OpenDocumentFormat where it makes sense. I also expect it to support the Office Open XML formats (12 in all).
Apple would be best served being able to interchange, based upon specific namespaces and schema which handle both sides of the fence.
Apple would separate itself with their implementation and strengths of app design.
Originally posted by melgross
Don't forget that Apple also owns Filemaker, one of the most successful databases around.
Are you sure?
That would explain why Apple evangelise it on their website though.
Originally posted by melgross
Yeah, well I guess "produce" means different things to different people. We can also "produce" a document in Textedit.
iLife is, and has always been, compromised of two types of applications: content creation and content organization. iMovie, iDVD and GarageBand create. iTunes and iPhoto organize.
Originally posted by MacCrazy
Are you sure?
That would explain why Apple evangelise it on their website though.
A lot of people don't know that apple owns it. It's under the name of Filemaker Inc.
They do that so when the professional catalogs have the pages for the various products, Filemaker doesn't come up as an Apple product, just Filemaker Inc.
There is still much resistance to Apple products in the corporate world. If some companies realized that Apple owned it, they wouldn't use it. So, this way, they don't deal with Apple at all.
Originally posted by melgross
There is still much resistance to Apple products in the corporate world. If some companies realized that Apple owned it, they wouldn't use it. So, this way, they don't deal with Apple at all.
Yeah I can understand that - I just wasn't aware!
Is there any proof anywhere out of interest?
Edit: don't worry found some
Originally posted by Chucker
iLife is, and has always been, compromised of two types of applications: content creation and content organization. iMovie, iDVD and GarageBand create. iTunes and iPhoto organize.
I won't argue the point. But, iPhoto can also be used to "produce" a book for printing by Apple. So, some of this is blurred (no pun intended.
But the original comment that was made referred to Garageband vs other unspecified programs in the suite.
Originally posted by Chucker
And here I was, thinking iMovie and iDVD were used to produce, say, movies and DVDs. Too far-fetched of me, I guess.
On the one hand yes, of course.
Originally posted by MacCrazy
They're 'building a replacement to AppleWorks. They have to build one. Many designers and consumers need spreadsheets for basic accounting etc. I use a spreadsheet regularly and I'm in a creative field. Apple need to offer its consumers a free basic suite of applications for those who do not need the full office experience. Although I am aware iWork isn't free - it should be though. Well a basic app that's above TextEdit is needed anyway!
Keynote is a solid app so I can understand paying for that but an AppleWorks replacement should be free.
I'll tell you what. Why don't you spend millions and come out with a app suite so all of us can tell YOU to release it for free.
Originally posted by Sabon
I'll tell you what. Why don't you spend millions and come out with a app suite so all of us can tell YOU to release it for free.
AppleWorks was and is free and this is replacing it. iLife is free to all new Macs and Apple spend millions developing that.
Almost all PCs come with Microsoft Works for free. Apple need to offer something more than TextEdit - or put OpenOffice on or something.
Originally posted by melgross
But, iPhoto can also be used to "produce" a book for printing by Apple. So, some of this is blurred (no pun intended.
Sure.
But the original comment that was made referred to Garageband vs other unspecified programs in the suite.
The original comment was that GarageBand deserves to have a different look based on the fact that it's the only iLife application that focuses on content production. I would strongly argue that. iMovie is in many ways for video what GarageBand is for music.
Originally posted by MacCrazy
Are you sure?
That would explain why Apple evangelise it on their website though.
Apple owns Filemaker Inc. Of course they will evangelize it.
Originally posted by mdriftmeyer
Apple owns Filemaker Inc. Of course they will evangelize it.
That's what I was saying - it makes sense now! It's the only app (excluding Office) which Apple puts on its front page.
Originally posted by MacCrazy
BUT GarageBand is hideous! Why not make it more like Logic. Make iMovie like FinalCut and iPhoto like Aperture. Much better
Hideous in appearance? Or functionality?
None of the iLife apps are designed to compete in the same space as their professional counterparts.
Originally posted by mdriftmeyer
Hideous in appearance? Or functionality?
None of the iLife apps are designed to compete in the same space as their professional counterparts.
Appearance - I know they shouldn't compete and I know I'm more of a pro than a consumer but it would be nice to see the better aesthetics in the amateur programs, if only to inspire consumers more!
Originally posted by MacCrazy
AppleWorks was and is free and this is replacing it. iLife is free to all new Macs and Apple spend millions developing that.
AppleWorks costs $79
iLife costs $79
Neither are free. Yes you get them with a new Mac but those aren't free either.
Originally posted by MacCrazy
Appearance - I know they shouldn't compete and I know I'm more of a pro than a consumer but it would be nice to see the better aesthetics in the amateur programs, if only to inspire consumers more!
Actually, I find the whole dark grey and small fonts pro appearance horribly annoying to use. And it's a tad dark too. If they did a Final Cut that used normal OSX appearance I'd be much happier.
I'm not a musician so Garageband doesn't interest me but it certainly is the odd one out in the iLife suite.
It'll be interesting to see if the iLife06 apps continue down the horrible mistake that is iTunes6's interface.
Originally posted by aegisdesign
AppleWorks costs $79
iLife costs $79
Neither are free. Yes you get them with a new Mac but those aren't free either.
Ok, they should be free to new Macs - that's what I meant!
Originally posted by aegisdesign
It'll be interesting to see if the iLife06 apps continue down the horrible mistake that is iTunes6's interface.
I do like iTunes 6 but would prefer a platinum (mail) style design - without those horrible buttons, obviously.
I think Aperture has got the compromise right - not too dark and legible plus aesthetically pleasing.
Originally posted by MacCrazy
Ok, they should be free to new Macs - that's what I meant!
Nothing is free. You're paying for them with a new Mac too.
I imagine that when iWork is capable of doing enough of what AppleWorks does then it too will be included with new Macs and AppleWorks will be dropped. It's not there yet.
They'd have to add a spreadsheet, a drawing program and a database. If they do all that next week I'll be impressed and the credit card will be straight out for it although I suspect it'll be out anyway just for a Pages update.
I've no real interest in the Intel Macs at all just yet (6 months to a year maybe I will) but software improvements I want now.