Last bit of news I heard was that Intel got Woodcrest down to a TDP of 65 watts...if these things require water cooling, then I'm making plastics right now (I'm not...I'm really not.)
The G5's didn't have a TDP of 65 watts, but their average power was that high. I'm hoping that the Woodcrest won't need it. Actually, I don't think it will. I'm not even sure that the G5's did either. I've always felt that the water cooling was in anticipation of much faster cpu'd from IBM that would need it. After all Prescotts used much more power than the G5's did, and they were rarely water cooled.
So, I'm thinking that Apple can save that money, and put it into the cpu instead.
Mabe you're not making plastics, but I just now stopped making some myself.
I'm not sure but I thought I read that DELL is going to be 100% AMD now. I could be mistaken about that.
The gateway laptop on the other hand is real, but it's not in their current lineup. As far as I can tell their entire desktop, server, and laptop series' are all intel now.
But as you said about loosing the thread. Yes everything will have dual core processors soon, but that doesn't mean stop, and wait for four. Processors are on a major climb, quad core single socket and dual socket processors are due from intel in early 2007. Updates happen. That's just evolutionary growth.
I'm not sure actual marketshare is in Intels mind all the time when it comes to giving out new products. I believe that the iMac ? Intel version was the one of the first, if not THE first mass market machine to use the Yonah.
Perhaps Apple paid a few percent more to Intel for that privilage, I don't know, but I do remember there were complaints about it.
I'm pretty sure there were other computers using the same processor the day it was released. I remember people trying to compare them to the Mac right off the bat. Most of them were trying to say the Mac was comparatively expensive, but the Mac-Minded started bringing in #'s all over the web, and they shut that door real quick.
Presuming that the Mac Pro will be released in late June or July, what venue will Apple use to announce them? I am sure that they won't be silently announced like the MacBook.
So after doing some reading, I have to agree with those of you who think that the Power Mac (Mac Pro) will come in late-June/July. So while we all know that Leopard is going to be big and 85% or more of the WWDC keynote, it is possible that Apple may use the One More Thing to announce completely redesigned pro notebooks with Core 2 Duo processors (Meroms). I think that will the hardware announced at WWDC.
Presuming that the Mac Pro will be released in late June or July, what venue will Apple use to announce them? I am sure that they won't be silently announced like the MacBook.
Macworld Expo Boston 2006,
were else
Indeed, I don't believe Apple will sit on it for 2 months.
Maybe a special event.
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Originally posted by DHagan4755
So after doing some reading, I have to agree with those of you who think that the Power Mac (Mac Pro) will come in late-June/July. So while we all know that Leopard is going to be big and 85% or more of the WWDC keynote, it is possible that Apple may use the One More Thing to announce completely redesigned pro notebooks with Core 2 Duo processors (Meroms). I think that will the hardware announced at WWDC.
I'm pretty sure there were other computers using the same processor the day it was released. I remember people trying to compare them to the Mac right off the bat. Most of them were trying to say the Mac was comparatively expensive, but the Mac-Minded started bringing in #'s all over the web, and they shut that door real quick.
I think the issue isn't that Apple got all the chips, but it got an unfair share, and it got some of the first, which meant MBPs were out a few days earlier than the Dell/HP equivalents. However, most of the PCs were announced or demoed at CES (Consumer Electronics Show) in Vegas the week before MWSF, so there were prices and stats to compare against.
I noticed that apple have redesigned their pro site. I wonder is this in preparation for a MacPro release soon (June), or am I just anticipating a bit too much?
I noticed that apple have redesigned their pro site. I wonder is this in preparation for a MacPro release soon (June), or am I just anticipating a bit too much?
I didn't look it over too hard, but I didn't see much there about the MBP. Therefore, I'd guess it's mostly about the Pro software, and Apple's attempts to sell more of it. They may be feeling nervous about Adobe, wanting to capitalize on the delay between the Mac Pro release and the Adobe UB release, and they might be shoring up their exit strategy if Adobe abandons the Mac platform (long-shot).
It has been said that Apple didn't release an "all new design" for their products in order to prove that Macs are the same machine regardless of the processor (establish credibility using Intel) and to also provide a gentle transition for its customers.
But there are several major problems with the MacBook Pro aside from the whining noise it makes. Here are 10 Reasons why there will be a major MacBook Pro Re-Design (in no specific order)....
? Case design has poor heat dissipation, therefore MBP's run hot; a lot of customers don't like the enclosure being used as the heat sink
? Inability to fit dual-layer 8x DVD burner into 15-inch model
? Inability to place a Firewire 800 port on main logic board of 15-inch model
? Maximum screen opening even more limited by hinge design
? Aluminum enclosure difficult to disassemble; hard to replace hard drive, main logic board
? Aluminum enclosure is making it tough for Apple to use brighter backlights and provide more even illumination of backlight for display
? Display viewing angle very limited compared to competition
? No improvement in weight; Apple will want to not only make these laptops thinner, but lighter
? Apple will want to incorporate magnetic latch from iBook
? I believe Apple wants to incorporate black into its pro product line, and it's not possible to anodize aluminum in black, or advisable to paint aluminum black.
If we are supposing that Apple will use Intel's Woodcrest (shipping June 26th) for the Mac Pro, it would make sense for Apple to announce the Mac Pro in early July.
Additionally with the release of Conroe late in July, those will probably go into the iMacs which are arguably Apple's best computer at the moment, and by that time overdue for a refresh.
So unlike previous Intel releases to date, I don't think Apple will use a reworking of its Power Mac G5 for its new Mac Pro tower. I believe that the Mac Pro will mark the start of a new design direction that Apple has for its pro line.
Therefore, when Merom ships in August, it would make sense for Apple to announce a major redesign to its MacBook Pro at WWDC, reflecting the new pro design direction as well. And given all that's going on and the ten reasons above, it just makes sense.
It has been said that Apple didn't release an "all new design" for their products in order to prove that Macs are the same machine regardless of the processor (establish credibility using Intel) and to also provide a gentle transition for its customers.
But there are several major problems with the MacBook Pro aside from the whining noise it makes. Here are 10 Reasons why there will be a major MacBook Pro Re-Design (in no specific order)....
-SNIP-
? I believe Apple wants to incorporate black into its pro product line, and it's not possible to anodize aluminum in black, or advisable to paint aluminum black.
-SNIP-
I have cookware that is anodized aluminum, in fact most highend cookware is anodized aluminum, as well as SS. You are correct that the color spectrum available via anodizing aluminum is limited, but black is one possible color. Infact the folks at Calphalon and Circulon say this: " The pans' hard-anodized aluminum construction is twice as strong as steel and offers perfect heat distribution with no hot spots." which may be a reason for Apple to work black into the product colors. By the way the pans color is black, and apparently the anodizing helps remove hot spots and improves strength.
Aluminum can most definitely be anodized black as well as almost any other color except white. Its expensive though.
Oh. Well then, that ends that. I think Apple is going to be done with aluminum (in a major way). Perhaps they will still use it, but not as dominantly as they have in the past?
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Originally posted by kim kap sol
Last bit of news I heard was that Intel got Woodcrest down to a TDP of 65 watts...if these things require water cooling, then I'm making plastics right now (I'm not...I'm really not.)
The G5's didn't have a TDP of 65 watts, but their average power was that high. I'm hoping that the Woodcrest won't need it. Actually, I don't think it will. I'm not even sure that the G5's did either. I've always felt that the water cooling was in anticipation of much faster cpu'd from IBM that would need it. After all Prescotts used much more power than the G5's did, and they were rarely water cooled.
So, I'm thinking that Apple can save that money, and put it into the cpu instead.
Mabe you're not making plastics, but I just now stopped making some myself.
Originally posted by onlooker
You mean gateway being Pure Intel right?
I'm not sure but I thought I read that DELL is going to be 100% AMD now. I could be mistaken about that.
The gateway laptop on the other hand is real, but it's not in their current lineup. As far as I can tell their entire desktop, server, and laptop series' are all intel now.
But as you said about loosing the thread. Yes everything will have dual core processors soon, but that doesn't mean stop, and wait for four. Processors are on a major climb, quad core single socket and dual socket processors are due from intel in early 2007. Updates happen.
I'm not sure actual marketshare is in Intels mind all the time when it comes to giving out new products. I believe that the iMac ? Intel version was the one of the first, if not THE first mass market machine to use the Yonah.
Perhaps Apple paid a few percent more to Intel for that privilage, I don't know, but I do remember there were complaints about it.
Originally posted by DHagan4755
Presuming that the Mac Pro will be released in late June or July, what venue will Apple use to announce them? I am sure that they won't be silently announced like the MacBook.
Macworld Expo Boston 2006,
were else
Indeed, I don't believe Apple will sit on it for 2 months.
Maybe a special event.
Originally posted by DHagan4755
So after doing some reading, I have to agree with those of you who think that the Power Mac (Mac Pro) will come in late-June/July. So while we all know that Leopard is going to be big and 85% or more of the WWDC keynote, it is possible that Apple may use the One More Thing to announce completely redesigned pro notebooks with Core 2 Duo processors (Meroms). I think that will the hardware announced at WWDC.
Would be nice to have a new notebook in september
Originally posted by theapplegenius
This is so much more fun then IBM/FreeScale.
Are you kidding? The community practically wet themselves when the G5 specs got slipped early.
Originally posted by onlooker
I'm pretty sure there were other computers using the same processor the day it was released. I remember people trying to compare them to the Mac right off the bat. Most of them were trying to say the Mac was comparatively expensive, but the Mac-Minded started bringing in #'s all over the web, and they shut that door real quick.
I think the issue isn't that Apple got all the chips, but it got an unfair share, and it got some of the first, which meant MBPs were out a few days earlier than the Dell/HP equivalents. However, most of the PCs were announced or demoed at CES (Consumer Electronics Show) in Vegas the week before MWSF, so there were prices and stats to compare against.
Originally posted by emig647
In 04 the iMac g5's were almost announced but pulled at the last minute. They had them there under cloth...
Can you back this claim up?
http://www.apple.com/pro/
Originally posted by amack
I noticed that apple have redesigned their pro site. I wonder is this in preparation for a MacPro release soon (June), or am I just anticipating a bit too much?
http://www.apple.com/pro/
I didn't look it over too hard, but I didn't see much there about the MBP. Therefore, I'd guess it's mostly about the Pro software, and Apple's attempts to sell more of it. They may be feeling nervous about Adobe, wanting to capitalize on the delay between the Mac Pro release and the Adobe UB release, and they might be shoring up their exit strategy if Adobe abandons the Mac platform (long-shot).
Originally posted by Xool
WWDC could be the debut.
This is the safe bet. WWDC at the latest, but I think it's more probable that it will be at WWDC.
Originally posted by DHagan4755
Well...something hardware is getting announced at the WWDC. Whether it's the Mac Pro or the MacBook Pro.
Core2 Duo MacBook Pro pretty please
But there are several major problems with the MacBook Pro aside from the whining noise it makes. Here are 10 Reasons why there will be a major MacBook Pro Re-Design (in no specific order)....
? Case design has poor heat dissipation, therefore MBP's run hot; a lot of customers don't like the enclosure being used as the heat sink
? Inability to fit dual-layer 8x DVD burner into 15-inch model
? Inability to place a Firewire 800 port on main logic board of 15-inch model
? Maximum screen opening even more limited by hinge design
? Aluminum enclosure difficult to disassemble; hard to replace hard drive, main logic board
? Aluminum enclosure is making it tough for Apple to use brighter backlights and provide more even illumination of backlight for display
? Display viewing angle very limited compared to competition
? No improvement in weight; Apple will want to not only make these laptops thinner, but lighter
? Apple will want to incorporate magnetic latch from iBook
? I believe Apple wants to incorporate black into its pro product line, and it's not possible to anodize aluminum in black, or advisable to paint aluminum black.
If we are supposing that Apple will use Intel's Woodcrest (shipping June 26th) for the Mac Pro, it would make sense for Apple to announce the Mac Pro in early July.
Additionally with the release of Conroe late in July, those will probably go into the iMacs which are arguably Apple's best computer at the moment, and by that time overdue for a refresh.
So unlike previous Intel releases to date, I don't think Apple will use a reworking of its Power Mac G5 for its new Mac Pro tower. I believe that the Mac Pro will mark the start of a new design direction that Apple has for its pro line.
Therefore, when Merom ships in August, it would make sense for Apple to announce a major redesign to its MacBook Pro at WWDC, reflecting the new pro design direction as well. And given all that's going on and the ten reasons above, it just makes sense.
Originally posted by DHagan4755
It has been said that Apple didn't release an "all new design" for their products in order to prove that Macs are the same machine regardless of the processor (establish credibility using Intel) and to also provide a gentle transition for its customers.
But there are several major problems with the MacBook Pro aside from the whining noise it makes. Here are 10 Reasons why there will be a major MacBook Pro Re-Design (in no specific order)....
-SNIP-
? I believe Apple wants to incorporate black into its pro product line, and it's not possible to anodize aluminum in black, or advisable to paint aluminum black.
-SNIP-
I have cookware that is anodized aluminum, in fact most highend cookware is anodized aluminum, as well as SS. You are correct that the color spectrum available via anodizing aluminum is limited, but black is one possible color. Infact the folks at Calphalon and Circulon say this: " The pans' hard-anodized aluminum construction is twice as strong as steel and offers perfect heat distribution with no hot spots." which may be a reason for Apple to work black into the product colors. By the way the pans color is black, and apparently the anodizing helps remove hot spots and improves strength.
Originally posted by MacSuperiority
Aluminum can most definitely be anodized black as well as almost any other color except white. Its expensive though.
Oh. Well then, that ends that. I think Apple is going to be done with aluminum (in a major way). Perhaps they will still use it, but not as dominantly as they have in the past?