If you're referring to the graphs above, with a bit of software (included with the mbp, sorry I forget which app it is) you can turn off one of the cores.
Unfortunately, many programs will use two processors, one core each, or possibly (I'm not sure about this) two cores on one processor.
They aren't really MULTI cpu aware, just two.
I was surprised to find that PS only went about twice as fast on the quad as it did on a single core single cpu machine. But some other programs went four times as fast.
Some PS filters are, some aren't.
The other major program that doesn't seem to be multi-threaded past 2 threads most of the time is Quicktime. I really can't believe Apple shipped a Quad PowerMac with Quicktime in that state. That alone counts for some dismal scores on the Quad v Duals in a whole heap of apps that use quicktime underneath - iTunes, iMovie...
Unlikely. The ULV chips are quite probably slower than the G4 maxing out at 1.3Ghz and cost $245 each.
As you state, it is not likely to go into an iBook successor, but ULV notebooks do generally have some advantages. The chips are found in notebooks that are very light weight and long battery life, typically 3lb total, with optical drive, and 7-8 hours battery life. The whole laptop probably runs a lot cooler too.
As you state, it is not likely to go into an iBook successor, but ULV notebooks do generally have some advantages. The chips are found in notebooks that are very light weight and long battery life, typically 3lb total, with optical drive, and 7-8 hours battery life. The whole laptop probably runs a lot cooler too.
Well, then, here are two laptops that are at the extremes. An ultralight, and an ultra gaming. The ultralight has compromises that would have to be made, and the gaming machine, well, those who liked the red mock-ups might like this.
But, they are two extremes that Apple should start thinking about. These have some compromises, but possibly Apple could come up with a better mix.
Well, then, here are two laptops that are at the extremes. An ultralight, and an ultra gaming. The ultralight has compromises that would have to be made, and the gaming machine, well, those who liked the red mock-ups might like this.
But, they are two extremes that Apple should start thinking about. These have some compromises, but possibly Apple could come up with a better mix.
You'd have to be a complete idiot to spend over $4000 on a 'gaming laptop'. I really don't think Apple should give it any time at all. Gaming on Macs is non-existent. Gaming on Mac laptops?
Been eyeing up those for a couple of years but so far haven't been able to bring myself to buy a Windows laptop, and my old 500Mhz iBook is still chugging along.
[B]You'd have to be a complete idiot to spend over $4000 on a 'gaming laptop'. I really don't think Apple should give it any time at all. Gaming on Macs is non-existent. Gaming on Mac laptops?
Now with Boot Camp out, and something more sophisticated coming with Leopard, I can't agree with you. Besides the gaming, these machines are useful for more than just games. They are powerhouses that are just as happy doing PS, video editing, 3D, etc. If you use a virtualized OS on you machine as well, the extra power will help, especially since not acceleration is available.
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Been eyeing up those for a couple of years but so far haven't been able to bring myself to buy a Windows laptop, and my old 500Mhz iBook is still chugging along.
These machines, if Apple could makes one somewhat cheaper, would be good for lower grades in school, as even 4 pounds is a bit much to carry. And schools don't always want CD and DVD drives in the machines, for obvious reasons. They upgrade over a network.
Now with Boot Camp out, and something more sophisticated coming with Leopard, I can't agree with you. Besides the gaming, these machines are useful for more than just games. They are powerhouses that are just as happy doing PS, video editing, 3D, etc. If you use a virtualized OS on you machine as well, the extra power will help, especially since not acceleration is available.
Fair enough, but don't market them as gaming laptops like the Dell XPS never mind as Windows gaming rigs. That's just stupid.
I still can't see Apple producing bulky, heavy 'powerhouse' laptops either for people that should be using desktops in the first place.
Fair enough, but don't market them as gaming laptops like the Dell XPS never mind as Windows gaming rigs. That's just stupid.
I still can't see Apple producing bulky, heavy 'powerhouse' laptops either for people that should be using desktops in the first place.
Just noticed my spelling errors.
Sure, I'm not saying that they should market them as gaming machines. Those who are looking for a gaming machine, and are interested in the Mac platform otherwise, will find out about them real fast.
I'm sure that Apple could do something with the concept though.
And market on everyone else's. I don't think there is one. Nobody wants to lug around 6-8lb laptops. Apart from that, other than gaming, there really isn't a need for gaming spec graphics for Photoshop users. Intel integrated graphics is more than enough for that.
There's a much bigger market for a sub-notebook though. Anyone who's desktop bound most of the time but needs something small to carry to a clients site would love one.
And market on everyone else's. I don't think there is one. Nobody wants to lug around 6-8lb laptops. Apart from that, other than gaming, there really isn't a need for gaming spec graphics for Photoshop users. Intel integrated graphics is more than enough for that.
There's a much bigger market for a sub-notebook though. Anyone who's desktop bound most of the time but needs something small to carry to a clients site would love one.
The MacBookPro is a 6+ lb laptop. The 17" model will be even heavier. If Apple could do it by adding another 8 oz, that would be fine. There is actually a fairly big market out there for this. Alien and Voodoo, among others, have prospered on these very machines.
Dell bought Alien for their gaming rigs, both tower, and laptop. Apple is a lot smaller than Dell, these sales wouldn't be insignificent for them. And, of course, it's the most profitable part of the market.
While PS doesn't need heavy 3D performance, it would benefit from the other specs. Besides, as I mentioned, there are other pro apps that do benefit.
Well, then, here are two laptops that are at the extremes. An ultralight, and an ultra gaming. The ultralight has compromises that would have to be made, and the gaming machine, well, those who liked the red mock-ups might like this.
But, they are two extremes that Apple should start thinking about. These have some compromises, but possibly Apple could come up with a better mix.
This looks good for perhaps a sooner than expected Tower (crossed fingers!), and a newer version of the MBP, and iMac.
The huge ass dell to me other than the gpu, 7200rpm hd and paying for the second gig of ram up front won't be that much different than the 17" mbp will.
The macbook pro won't be so heavy though, I'm sure btoing the 17" macbook pro will make it exactly like that machine except for the gpu and probably will be 500-600 dollars less than that.
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Now that Fujitsu notebook? That's something to think about, that's a good market to get into.
Take a macbook, shrink it to 11" and remove everything but the usb ports, firewire port, and power adapter port and now we're talking.
And instead of a million dongles they could sell a docking base station that offers all those ports as well as a superdrive for desk use.
The huge ass dell to me other than the gpu, 7200rpm hd and paying for the second gig of ram up front won't be that much different than the 17" mbp will.
The macbook pro won't be so heavy though, I'm sure btoing the 17" macbook pro will make it exactly like that machine except for the gpu and probably will be 500-600 dollars less than that.
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Now that Fujitsu notebook? That's something to think about, that's a good market to get into.
Take a macbook, shrink it to 11" and remove everything but the usb ports, firewire port, and power adapter port and now we're talking.
And instead of a million dongles they could sell a docking base station that offers all those ports as well as a superdrive for desk use.
Apple was one of the first companies to offer docking stations, if not the first. No reason why they still couldn't do it.
If you're referring to the graphs above, with a bit of software (included with the mbp, sorry I forget which app it is) you can turn off one of the cores.
It includes a System Preference applet that controls the number of CPUs operating. There are a lot of other tools in that package too, that's the only one I use.
You may need to log in to download, I don't know. The same program (though maybe an older version) is included with the OS X CD / DVD kits included with the computer or the retail OS box.
I use it on my PowerMac to shut off a CPU so the system doesn't generate so much heat. I'm hoping to try it on the MacBook Pro, but the current version loses the number of CPU state after a wake from sleep.
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Originally posted by DeaPeaJay
How can you have a Core Solo MacBook Pro?
I don't think anyone here suggested that. Core Solo MacBooks, yes.
Originally posted by DeaPeaJay
How can you have a Core Solo MacBook Pro?
If you're referring to the graphs above, with a bit of software (included with the mbp, sorry I forget which app it is) you can turn off one of the cores.
Originally posted by melgross
Unfortunately, many programs will use two processors, one core each, or possibly (I'm not sure about this) two cores on one processor.
They aren't really MULTI cpu aware, just two.
I was surprised to find that PS only went about twice as fast on the quad as it did on a single core single cpu machine. But some other programs went four times as fast.
Some PS filters are, some aren't.
The other major program that doesn't seem to be multi-threaded past 2 threads most of the time is Quicktime. I really can't believe Apple shipped a Quad PowerMac with Quicktime in that state. That alone counts for some dismal scores on the Quad v Duals in a whole heap of apps that use quicktime underneath - iTunes, iMovie...
Originally posted by DanMacMan
Could the new MacBook be based on the new ultralow powered Core Solo, similar to what Gateway introduced?
Unlikely. The ULV chips are quite probably slower than the G4 maxing out at 1.3Ghz and cost $245 each.
Originally posted by aegisdesign
Unlikely. The ULV chips are quite probably slower than the G4 maxing out at 1.3Ghz and cost $245 each.
As you state, it is not likely to go into an iBook successor, but ULV notebooks do generally have some advantages. The chips are found in notebooks that are very light weight and long battery life, typically 3lb total, with optical drive, and 7-8 hours battery life. The whole laptop probably runs a lot cooler too.
Originally posted by JeffDM
As you state, it is not likely to go into an iBook successor, but ULV notebooks do generally have some advantages. The chips are found in notebooks that are very light weight and long battery life, typically 3lb total, with optical drive, and 7-8 hours battery life. The whole laptop probably runs a lot cooler too.
And I'd buy one in a shot if Apple made one.
But, they are two extremes that Apple should start thinking about. These have some compromises, but possibly Apple could come up with a better mix.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1950072,00.asp
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=1864
And, I might as well add this to the post as well.
http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/04/19/in...ore_inq3_2006/
This looks good for perhaps a sooner than expected Tower (crossed fingers!), and a newer version of the MBP, and iMac.
Originally posted by melgross
Well, then, here are two laptops that are at the extremes. An ultralight, and an ultra gaming. The ultralight has compromises that would have to be made, and the gaming machine, well, those who liked the red mock-ups might like this.
But, they are two extremes that Apple should start thinking about. These have some compromises, but possibly Apple could come up with a better mix.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1950072,00.asp
You'd have to be a complete idiot to spend over $4000 on a 'gaming laptop'. I really don't think Apple should give it any time at all. Gaming on Macs is non-existent. Gaming on Mac laptops?
Originally posted by melgross
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=1864
Been eyeing up those for a couple of years but so far haven't been able to bring myself to buy a Windows laptop, and my old 500Mhz iBook is still chugging along.
Originally posted by aegisdesign
[B]You'd have to be a complete idiot to spend over $4000 on a 'gaming laptop'. I really don't think Apple should give it any time at all. Gaming on Macs is non-existent. Gaming on Mac laptops?
Now with Boot Camp out, and something more sophisticated coming with Leopard, I can't agree with you. Besides the gaming, these machines are useful for more than just games. They are powerhouses that are just as happy doing PS, video editing, 3D, etc. If you use a virtualized OS on you machine as well, the extra power will help, especially since not acceleration is available.
Been eyeing up those for a couple of years but so far haven't been able to bring myself to buy a Windows laptop, and my old 500Mhz iBook is still chugging along.
These machines, if Apple could makes one somewhat cheaper, would be good for lower grades in school, as even 4 pounds is a bit much to carry. And schools don't always want CD and DVD drives in the machines, for obvious reasons. They upgrade over a network.
Originally posted by melgross
Now with Boot Camp out, and something more sophisticated coming with Leopard, I can't agree with you. Besides the gaming, these machines are useful for more than just games. They are powerhouses that are just as happy doing PS, video editing, 3D, etc. If you use a virtualized OS on you machine as well, the extra power will help, especially since not acceleration is available.
Fair enough, but don't market them as gaming laptops like the Dell XPS never mind as Windows gaming rigs. That's just stupid.
I still can't see Apple producing bulky, heavy 'powerhouse' laptops either for people that should be using desktops in the first place.
Originally posted by aegisdesign
Fair enough, but don't market them as gaming laptops like the Dell XPS never mind as Windows gaming rigs. That's just stupid.
I still can't see Apple producing bulky, heavy 'powerhouse' laptops either for people that should be using desktops in the first place.
Just noticed my spelling errors.
Sure, I'm not saying that they should market them as gaming machines. Those who are looking for a gaming machine, and are interested in the Mac platform otherwise, will find out about them real fast.
I'm sure that Apple could do something with the concept though.
Again, it's a matter of will on their part.
Originally posted by melgross
Again, it's a matter of will on their part.
And market on everyone else's. I don't think there is one. Nobody wants to lug around 6-8lb laptops. Apart from that, other than gaming, there really isn't a need for gaming spec graphics for Photoshop users. Intel integrated graphics is more than enough for that.
There's a much bigger market for a sub-notebook though. Anyone who's desktop bound most of the time but needs something small to carry to a clients site would love one.
Originally posted by aegisdesign
And market on everyone else's. I don't think there is one. Nobody wants to lug around 6-8lb laptops. Apart from that, other than gaming, there really isn't a need for gaming spec graphics for Photoshop users. Intel integrated graphics is more than enough for that.
There's a much bigger market for a sub-notebook though. Anyone who's desktop bound most of the time but needs something small to carry to a clients site would love one.
The MacBookPro is a 6+ lb laptop. The 17" model will be even heavier. If Apple could do it by adding another 8 oz, that would be fine. There is actually a fairly big market out there for this. Alien and Voodoo, among others, have prospered on these very machines.
Dell bought Alien for their gaming rigs, both tower, and laptop. Apple is a lot smaller than Dell, these sales wouldn't be insignificent for them. And, of course, it's the most profitable part of the market.
While PS doesn't need heavy 3D performance, it would benefit from the other specs. Besides, as I mentioned, there are other pro apps that do benefit.
Originally posted by melgross
Well, then, here are two laptops that are at the extremes. An ultralight, and an ultra gaming. The ultralight has compromises that would have to be made, and the gaming machine, well, those who liked the red mock-ups might like this.
But, they are two extremes that Apple should start thinking about. These have some compromises, but possibly Apple could come up with a better mix.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1950072,00.asp
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=1864
And, I might as well add this to the post as well.
http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/04/19/in...ore_inq3_2006/
This looks good for perhaps a sooner than expected Tower (crossed fingers!), and a newer version of the MBP, and iMac.
The huge ass dell to me other than the gpu, 7200rpm hd and paying for the second gig of ram up front won't be that much different than the 17" mbp will.
The macbook pro won't be so heavy though, I'm sure btoing the 17" macbook pro will make it exactly like that machine except for the gpu and probably will be 500-600 dollars less than that.
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Now that Fujitsu notebook? That's something to think about, that's a good market to get into.
Take a macbook, shrink it to 11" and remove everything but the usb ports, firewire port, and power adapter port and now we're talking.
And instead of a million dongles they could sell a docking base station that offers all those ports as well as a superdrive for desk use.
Originally posted by ecking
The huge ass dell to me other than the gpu, 7200rpm hd and paying for the second gig of ram up front won't be that much different than the 17" mbp will.
The macbook pro won't be so heavy though, I'm sure btoing the 17" macbook pro will make it exactly like that machine except for the gpu and probably will be 500-600 dollars less than that.
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Now that Fujitsu notebook? That's something to think about, that's a good market to get into.
Take a macbook, shrink it to 11" and remove everything but the usb ports, firewire port, and power adapter port and now we're talking.
And instead of a million dongles they could sell a docking base station that offers all those ports as well as a superdrive for desk use.
Apple was one of the first companies to offer docking stations, if not the first. No reason why they still couldn't do it.
Originally posted by gsxrboy
If you're referring to the graphs above, with a bit of software (included with the mbp, sorry I forget which app it is) you can turn off one of the cores.
It is in the CHUD Tools package.
http://developer.apple.com/tools/download/
It includes a System Preference applet that controls the number of CPUs operating. There are a lot of other tools in that package too, that's the only one I use.
You may need to log in to download, I don't know. The same program (though maybe an older version) is included with the OS X CD / DVD kits included with the computer or the retail OS box.
I use it on my PowerMac to shut off a CPU so the system doesn't generate so much heat. I'm hoping to try it on the MacBook Pro, but the current version loses the number of CPU state after a wake from sleep.