I currently use a Vonage setup as my only home phone. I dont want to give up the ability to use a cordless "regular" phone even if I'm talking over the internet.
Do you think Apple will release anything that allows me to plug in my old phone and use VoIP with my Powerbook? Perhaps a cheap firewire adapter?
Everyone I know that uses IM is using MSN, followed by google talk/gmail chat or skype chat. ICQ had some following some years ago but now it is those three. No Yahoo either.
So i would love to use iChat for videochat but know exactly 0 people I'd like to iChat to that actually own a Mac.
Edit: so for now I'm stuck to adium for IM and skype for VoIP.
oh, well I stand corrected. So is AIM not available in Europe? I know it's AMERICA online, but I always figured it was open to other countries. My brother in Brazil uses it. I guess it would be weird if I used a program called Europe Online =/
I was never a fan of "Leopard" as a marketing name for 10.5. I wonder if the big cats have reach the end of the line. Tiger had it's stripes and is an animal that implies speed and power. Leopards not as big a cultural icon, Maybe Apple could name 10.5 "Not Vista" or just drop it for Mac OS X.
oh, well I stand corrected. So is AIM not available in Europe?
I guess it is available, but there is just nobody using it. Should they? (honest question - never tried it myself). I would estimate 95% of people doing IM here uses MSN, with the other 4,5% using google chat/skype chat because they hate the UI of MSN and the other 0,5% being geeks on jabber and such.
oh, well I stand corrected. So is AIM not available in Europe? I know it's AMERICA online, but I always figured it was open to other countries. My brother in Brazil uses it. I guess it would be weird if I used a program called Europe Online =/
It was offered by an ISP. But it didn't had that much of a succes (actually almost none). Besides... VoiP is the future in truly multiplatform. I thought one of the "next-gen" consolses will have VoiP support. And not to mention Vista with the Live stuff... no more crappy MSN substitute (Adium is nice... but sometimes it's kinda f?cked, and don't get me started on aMSN).
And iChat for windows would totally suck. Everybody here in europe would never change... why change to iChat if EVERYBODY uses MSN Messenger?
The only place it would rock would be the US. It would totally demolish AIM with Multi-Video chat (or Multi-Voice chat for that matter, what could be feasible with VoiP).
I was never a fan of "Leopard" as a marketing name for 10.5. I wonder if the big cats have reach the end of the line. Tiger had it's stripes and is an animal that implies speed and power. Leopards not as big a cultural icon, Maybe Apple could name 10.5 "Not Vista" or just drop it for Mac OS X.
Leopard is both subtle, and has a kind of sensitive touch to it. Which I think is the message Apple kind of wants to send out right now. That's not the problem, it's how do you market to a mass audience of potential switchers a name like: "Mac OSX 10.5 Leopard"
Let's face it, it's quite obviously the best computer operating system in the world, but it doesn't have a simple name. Which is what apple is all about, simplicity.
If Apple really wants to be competitive in the Voip arena, they would need a simple softphone client that anyone could download and use on any major OS.
They don't have to re-invent the wheel - just market it better.
Better yet this could be introduced in tandem with a rebranded HTC wifi/gsm phone that can be purchased directly from Apple and used by any GSM carrier in the world.
I guess it is available, but there is just nobody using it. Should they? (honest question - never tried it myself). I would estimate 95% of people doing IM here uses MSN, with the other 4,5% using google chat/skype chat because they hate the UI of MSN and the other 0,5% being geeks on jabber and such.
Probably not. It's not fantastic, it's just what everyone uses. I haven't been able to find another service that as easy to use as AIM. Jabber is to complicated to set up, and no one uses it anyway. MSN is simply not an option on mac. What iChat needs to do in order for it to succeed on Windows (if it's released for windows, which I doubt) is make it compatible with MSN. When iChat came out, it was easy to switch, since I already had an AIM account. It would be the same for the MSN users. Microsoft probably wouldn't be keen on that idea however.
If Apple really wants to be competitive in the Voip arena, they would need a simple softphone client that anyone could download and use on any major OS.
They don't have to re-invent the wheel - just market it better.
Better yet this could be introduced in tandem with a rebranded HTC wifi/gsm phone that can be purchased directly from Apple and used by any GSM carrier in the world.
Or even a hack for existing mobile phones to run voice over bluetooth (lower latency - always better for International calls) - McD
iChat works fine with AIM, which is pretty much what everyone uses. Occassionally I meet someone who uses Yahoo though.
The only thing that's mac to mac in my experience so far is multi video, and multi audio chat. So, how is this VoIP going to be different than the current audio chat?
Just a crazy thought, but could they be jumping the gun to OS 11? You know, to make it look like OSX is making a giant leap the same as Vista is?
Then it would be OS XI.
That would have to be a total ground-up re-write. Jobs said that X would be for 15 years, and while it might be replaced somewhat before that,. it's much too early.
Probably not. It's not fantastic, it's just what everyone uses. I haven't been able to find another service that as easy to use as AIM. Jabber is to complicated to set up, and no one uses it anyway. MSN is simply not an option on mac. What iChat needs to do in order for it to succeed on Windows (if it's released for windows, which I doubt) is make it compatible with MSN. When iChat came out, it was easy to switch, since I already had an AIM account. It would be the same for the MSN users. Microsoft probably wouldn't be keen on that idea however.
If Adium can do it, why not iChat?
I was hoping they'd even extend the interoperability to what passes for MSN & Yahoo video & voice chats (+ H.3xx for VC units) - you're chasing a moving target with the former but Macs & PCs are being pitched at eachother like never before.
Apple should get their act together and start practicing what they preach with their 'standards based' technology
Here's to hoping that the jump from iChat 3.0->4.0 isn't as God-awful buggy and nonfunctional as the one from 2.x->3.0. That one pretty much caused me to give up on iChat for several point releases of the OS. Another release like that and the iChat team might as well pack it up.
The only thing that's mac to mac in my experience so far is multi video, and multi audio chat. So, how is this VoIP going to be different than the current audio chat?
Well, the main difference I can think of is that if it's really VoIP, the government will probably want to tax and regulate it.
I wonder if the idea is some kind of .Mac-like subscription service? If so, I'll pass thanks.
Cell phone text messaging in iChat would be a nice addition however.
??? I was just able to send a message to my cell phone and got back a reply. -- I don't have the phone set up to send messages so I didn't test iChats' ability to receive unannounced messages. (iChat 3.1.4/Tracfone)
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Do you think Apple will release anything that allows me to plug in my old phone and use VoIP with my Powerbook? Perhaps a cheap firewire adapter?
If I'm ever calling a house number anywhere in the world what application do I use?
Originally posted by dutch pear
Uhm sorry, but in Europe NOBODY uses AIM!!!
Everyone I know that uses IM is using MSN, followed by google talk/gmail chat or skype chat. ICQ had some following some years ago but now it is those three. No Yahoo either.
So i would love to use iChat for videochat but know exactly 0 people I'd like to iChat to that actually own a Mac.
Edit: so for now I'm stuck to adium for IM and skype for VoIP.
oh, well I stand corrected. So is AIM not available in Europe? I know it's AMERICA online, but I always figured it was open to other countries. My brother in Brazil uses it. I guess it would be weird if I used a program called Europe Online =/
Originally posted by DeaPeaJay
oh, well I stand corrected. So is AIM not available in Europe?
I guess it is available, but there is just nobody using it. Should they? (honest question - never tried it myself). I would estimate 95% of people doing IM here uses MSN, with the other 4,5% using google chat/skype chat because they hate the UI of MSN and the other 0,5% being geeks on jabber and such.
Originally posted by DeaPeaJay
oh, well I stand corrected. So is AIM not available in Europe? I know it's AMERICA online, but I always figured it was open to other countries. My brother in Brazil uses it. I guess it would be weird if I used a program called Europe Online =/
It was offered by an ISP. But it didn't had that much of a succes (actually almost none). Besides... VoiP is the future in truly multiplatform. I thought one of the "next-gen" consolses will have VoiP support. And not to mention Vista with the Live stuff... no more crappy MSN substitute (Adium is nice... but sometimes it's kinda f?cked, and don't get me started on aMSN).
And iChat for windows would totally suck. Everybody here in europe would never change... why change to iChat if EVERYBODY uses MSN Messenger?
The only place it would rock would be the US. It would totally demolish AIM with Multi-Video chat (or Multi-Voice chat for that matter, what could be feasible with VoiP).
Originally posted by kerryb
I was never a fan of "Leopard" as a marketing name for 10.5. I wonder if the big cats have reach the end of the line. Tiger had it's stripes and is an animal that implies speed and power. Leopards not as big a cultural icon, Maybe Apple could name 10.5 "Not Vista" or just drop it for Mac OS X.
Leopard is both subtle, and has a kind of sensitive touch to it. Which I think is the message Apple kind of wants to send out right now. That's not the problem, it's how do you market to a mass audience of potential switchers a name like: "Mac OSX 10.5 Leopard"
Let's face it, it's quite obviously the best computer operating system in the world, but it doesn't have a simple name. Which is what apple is all about, simplicity.
"A Leopard Can Change it's Spots."
That and Microsofts secret Vista OS Cat codename of "CopyCat"
They don't have to re-invent the wheel - just market it better.
Better yet this could be introduced in tandem with a rebranded HTC wifi/gsm phone that can be purchased directly from Apple and used by any GSM carrier in the world.
Originally posted by dutch pear
I guess it is available, but there is just nobody using it. Should they? (honest question - never tried it myself). I would estimate 95% of people doing IM here uses MSN, with the other 4,5% using google chat/skype chat because they hate the UI of MSN and the other 0,5% being geeks on jabber and such.
Probably not. It's not fantastic, it's just what everyone uses. I haven't been able to find another service that as easy to use as AIM. Jabber is to complicated to set up, and no one uses it anyway. MSN is simply not an option on mac. What iChat needs to do in order for it to succeed on Windows (if it's released for windows, which I doubt) is make it compatible with MSN. When iChat came out, it was easy to switch, since I already had an AIM account. It would be the same for the MSN users. Microsoft probably wouldn't be keen on that idea however.
Originally posted by jacob1varghese
If Apple really wants to be competitive in the Voip arena, they would need a simple softphone client that anyone could download and use on any major OS.
They don't have to re-invent the wheel - just market it better.
Better yet this could be introduced in tandem with a rebranded HTC wifi/gsm phone that can be purchased directly from Apple and used by any GSM carrier in the world.
Or even a hack for existing mobile phones to run voice over bluetooth (lower latency - always better for International calls) - McD
Originally posted by DeaPeaJay
iChat works fine with AIM, which is pretty much what everyone uses. Occassionally I meet someone who uses Yahoo though.
The only thing that's mac to mac in my experience so far is multi video, and multi audio chat. So, how is this VoIP going to be different than the current audio chat?
My daughter says that only AOL and Yahoo work.
Originally posted by DeaPeaJay
Just a crazy thought, but could they be jumping the gun to OS 11? You know, to make it look like OSX is making a giant leap the same as Vista is?
Then it would be OS XI.
That would have to be a total ground-up re-write. Jobs said that X would be for 15 years, and while it might be replaced somewhat before that,. it's much too early.
Originally posted by Ireland
Right here's a small quiz:
If I'm ever calling a house number anywhere in the world what application do I use?
POTS?
Originally posted by DeaPeaJay
Probably not. It's not fantastic, it's just what everyone uses. I haven't been able to find another service that as easy to use as AIM. Jabber is to complicated to set up, and no one uses it anyway. MSN is simply not an option on mac. What iChat needs to do in order for it to succeed on Windows (if it's released for windows, which I doubt) is make it compatible with MSN. When iChat came out, it was easy to switch, since I already had an AIM account. It would be the same for the MSN users. Microsoft probably wouldn't be keen on that idea however.
If Adium can do it, why not iChat?
I was hoping they'd even extend the interoperability to what passes for MSN & Yahoo video & voice chats (+ H.3xx for VC units) - you're chasing a moving target with the former but Macs & PCs are being pitched at eachother like never before.
Apple should get their act together and start practicing what they preach with their 'standards based' technology
McD
Originally posted by DeaPeaJay
The only thing that's mac to mac in my experience so far is multi video, and multi audio chat. So, how is this VoIP going to be different than the current audio chat?
Well, the main difference I can think of is that if it's really VoIP, the government will probably want to tax and regulate it.
I wonder if the idea is some kind of .Mac-like subscription service? If so, I'll pass thanks.
Originally posted by TenoBell
Cell phone text messaging in iChat would be a nice addition however.
??? I was just able to send a message to my cell phone and got back a reply. -- I don't have the phone set up to send messages so I didn't test iChats' ability to receive unannounced messages. (iChat 3.1.4/Tracfone)