For those still interested in PS3 as Blu-Ray player, you should act on it now. The 60GB model is reported to be phased out like the 20GB and will be replaced by crippled 80GB model, which is cheaper to make and will be still priced at $599 retail. I think CircuitCity has a deal $499 deal with extra remote and free movies.....
Once the 60GB models clear the inventory.... PS3 is back to $599 with 20GB more but crippled software emulated PS2 compatibility.
For those still interested in PS3 as Blu-Ray player, you should act on it now. The 60GB model is reported to be phased out like the 20GB and will be replaced by crippled 80GB model, which is cheaper to make and will be still priced at $599 retail. I think CircuitCity has a deal $499 deal with extra remote and free movies.....
Once the 60GB models clear the inventory.... PS3 is back to $599 with 20GB more but crippled software emulated PS2 compatibility.
Way to go Sony....
Fire sale I can take but how the FRUK do you equate the 80GB model to crippled status?
Especially when promoting the PS3 as a BD player!?
you dont think there should be a price drop on the PS3? you dont think that with a free remote and 5 free movies that this is a good deal?
I seem to remember that m$ dropped the original xbox ASAP! but then I guess if its your pet peeve Sony then you can jump up and down like a four year old about it
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PS I totally agree with you about movie pricing and screen quality issues (made a post to that effect a while back) seen the first HP movie and thought "meh" and havent bothered about them since, but it would seem that they might become a nice little "undiscovered gem" for me in a few years time
He's talking about the fact that PS3's hardware emulation has now been dropped in favour of software emulation, in order to shave costs and bridge some of the price difference with the Wii.
He's talking about the fact that PS3's hardware emulation has now been dropped in favour of software emulation, in order to shave costs and bridge some of the price difference with the Wii.
For those still interested in PS3 as Blu-Ray player, you should act on it now. The 60GB model is reported to be phased out like the 20GB and will be replaced by crippled 80GB model, which is cheaper to make and will be still priced at $599 retail. I think CircuitCity has a deal $499 deal with extra remote and free movies.....
Once the 60GB models clear the inventory.... PS3 is back to $599 with 20GB more but crippled software emulated PS2 compatibility.
Kaz Hirai's already confirmed it. They've ceased production of the 60GB models. By later this year, only the 80GB (and backwards-compatibility-crippled) units will be available, and, once again, at $599.
Most people who actually own a Euro-spec PS3 say it's not a big deal. The Emotion Engine was good for the very beginning, when most buyers were migrating from PS2s and the software emulation wasn't up to par. It's not that big a deal anymore since the PS3 has a sizeable library of games now. Also, the software emulation is a lot better than in the beginning, so having a hardware solution isn't all that important. Hardly "crippled." Indeed, many people say the software path is superior to having the Emotion Engine. For one thing, the EE wasn't as backward compatible as Sony planned. The software solution, by virtue of being upgradeable, has evolved and eliminated most of the problems.
Kaz Hirai's already confirmed it. They've ceased production of the 60GB models. By later this year, only the 80GB (and backwards-compatibility-crippled) units will be available, and, once again, at $599.
and once again at $599 INCLUDING Motorstorm.
I reckon once the 60BGs are out of the retail channel the 80GB version will lose the Motorstorm and drop in price.
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Originally Posted by Kolchak
Most people who actually own a Euro-spec PS3 say it's not a big deal. The Emotion Engine was good for the very beginning, when most buyers were migrating from PS2s and the software emulation wasn't up to par. It's not that big a deal anymore since the PS3 has a sizeable library of games now. Also, the software emulation is a lot better than in the beginning, so having a hardware solution isn't all that important. Hardly "crippled." Indeed, many people say the software path is superior to having the Emotion Engine. For one thing, the EE wasn't as backward compatible as Sony planned. The software solution, by virtue of being upgradeable, has evolved and eliminated most of the problems.
Exactly! I happen to be one of those that own a Euro PS3 minus the EE. not a problem at all really.
I bought a PS1 way back and did worry about moving to PS2, but really once you start playing whatever constitutes "next gen" at the time, you soon forget and dont bother with "last gen" games. so really I dont see the problem at all.
but then anyone moaning and bitching about it should look what M$ did with the xbox - xbox360, ALL software emulation.. so.. pfft!
It's only for people attending Home Media Expo. Just registering for the expo will cost you more than $200. So much for the money you saved by not buying it retail or from Amazon. That doesn't include airfare, hotel, car rental, etc., if you don't live in or near Vegas. Not exactly useful news for the "J6P" you're always going on about, who wouldn't go to the expo even if they knew what it was.
Not to mention this smacks of desperation more than anything else so far. Can anyone truthfully say that Toshiba isn't losing money on this offer? Sooooo... any guesses on when Toshiba will say, "Free player! FREE! With three movies! Come and get it! Just help us gain market share! PLEEEEEEASE!!!"
It's only for people attending Home Media Expo. Just registering for the expo will cost you more than $200. So much for the money you saved by not buying it retail or from Amazon. That doesn't include airfare, hotel, car rental, etc., if you don't live in or near Vegas. Not exactly useful news for the "J6P" you're always going on about, who wouldn't go to the expo even if they knew what it was.
Not to mention this smacks of desperation more than anything else so far. Can anyone truthfully say that Toshiba isn't losing money on this offer? Sooooo... any guesses on when Toshiba will say, "Free player! FREE! With three movies! Come and get it! Just help us gain market share! PLEEEEEEASE!!!"
Yup.... Just like getting a free Blu-Ray movie player when you spend $599 for a gaming console......
Obviously, the offer is not for everyone or not everyone can take advantage of the offer.
Not to mention this smacks of desperation more than anything else so far. Can anyone truthfully say that Toshiba isn't losing money on this offer? Sooooo... any guesses on when Toshiba will say, "Free player! FREE! With three movies! Come and get it! Just help us gain market share! PLEEEEEEASE!!!"
Oh but "desperation" isn't cutting $100 from the PS3 and giving 5 free movies away? Can anyone truthfully say Sony isn't losing money on this offer ...wait ...we already knew that.
Yup.... Just like getting a free Blu-Ray movie player when you spend $599 for a gaming console......
Obviously, the offer is not for everyone or not everyone can take advantage of the offer.
Yeah, obviously not everyone can get a PS3 for $499.
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Originally Posted by hmurchison
Oh but "desperation" isn't cutting $100 from the PS3 and giving 5 free movies away? Can anyone truthfully say Sony isn't losing money on this offer ...wait ...we already knew that.
See on one hand there's "speculation" that Toshiba is losing money and on the other hand proof that Sony has.
Interesting. Murch as always. Engadget is a terribly untrustworthy source for information, he says. Until it has something he wants to cite. As for anyone truthfully saying Sony isn't losing money, maybe the analyst quoted in this article at Bloomberg is saying that? It's easy to look at a year's results and say they lost money, but honestly, Murchie, can you really say with a straight face that that means anything without breaking it down month by month? For all you know, they lost the $2 billion in the first three months and broke even in the following months. Very unlikely, but it's just the kind of thing an intelligent person would want to know instead of taking aggregate figures. "Speculation"? Again, can you honestly say with a straight face that you think Toshiba can make a profit with a $99 HD player bundled with three movies? NOBODY could make a profit with that, not even your ever-looming Chinese manufacturers. This has got to be a new low for you, Murch.
"Speculation"? Again, can you honestly say with a straight face that you think Toshiba can make a profit with a $99 HD player bundled with three movies? NOBODY could make a profit with that, not even your ever-looming Chinese manufacturers. This has got to be a new low for you, Murch.
No-one has said that Toshiba is making a profit on this special promotion - which is likely geared to sway home media enthusiasts and press attendees of this event. It's simply a smart marketing move.
On the other hand, having to cut hardware from your console so you can drop its price to try to compete with another console that is beating you in sales by a huge margin - and luring developers away from your box, that's desperation.
No-one has said that Toshiba is making a profit on this special promotion - which is likely geared to sway home media enthusiasts and press attendees of this event. It's simply a smart marketing move.
On the other hand, having to cut hardware from your console so you can drop its price to try to compete with another console that is beating you in sales by a huge margin - and luring developers away from your box, that's desperation.
And not taking into account that "another console" has been on sale for a year longer...well, that's just plain idiocy.
Can someone say, MGS4?...Unreal Tournament 3...or Haze...? PS3 eeexxClusphem..ahem...True, you win some and lose some, and some go dual format...but your whole claims here reek of FUD.
No-one has said that Toshiba is making a profit on this special promotion - which is likely geared to sway home media enthusiasts and press attendees of this event. It's simply a smart marketing move.
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Originally Posted by hmurchison
See on one hand there's "speculation" that Toshiba is losing money and on the other hand proof that Sony has.
He calls it speculation. Translation: He thinks they're not losing money on this offer. And the only reason we don't have "proof" that Toshiba "hasn't"? Toshiba is a Pink Sheet stock, not listed on the major exchanges. It's under no obligation to the SEC to report its financials.
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Originally Posted by Frank777
On the other hand, having to cut hardware from your console so you can drop its price to try to compete with another console that is beating you in sales by a huge margin - and luring developers away from your box, that's desperation.
Have you been reading? The Emotion Engine was an interim step that was not satisfactory. Don't you remember the hubbub when the PS3 was launched where some reports complained it was compatible with fewer games than planned? The software emulation can be user-upgraded. The EE can't. You buy the machine, you're stuck with the installed chip forever. Besides, what's so smart about keeping around an extra chip when the Cell CPU is more than capable of handling the emulation at full speed? It adds complexity to the motherboard and does nothing most of the time, since most PS3 owners don't play old PS2 games. Why don't you castigate Apple for no longer supporting the Classic environment?
He calls it speculation. Translation: He thinks they're not losing money on this offer. And the only reason we don't have "proof" that Toshiba "hasn't"? Toshiba is a Pink Sheet stock, not listed on the major exchanges. It's under no obligation to the SEC to report its financials.
Then that's a tactical error on your part. Why would you posit how much money Toshiba is losing when it's easy to see the money Sony is losing?
I agree that the 99 buck HD DVD player and 3 movies is a loss leader but then again the attendees of the even have already spent hundreds on merely attending the even so it makes sense.
Can anyone truthfully say that Toshiba isn't losing money on this offer?
To which you very specifically responded:
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See on one hand there's "speculation" that Toshiba is losing money
Now you write:
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Originally Posted by hmurchison
I agree that the 99 buck HD DVD player and 3 movies is a loss leader
Which is it? Is it just "speculation" or is it a loss leader? You can't have it both ways.
BTW, you obviously don't understand the Pink Sheets. They're almost exclusively used for companies which don't want to report information per SEC regulations governing companies on the NYSE, Nasdaq and American Stock Exchange (i.e. have something to hide). Yeah, the smaller companies claim that SEC reporting is too onerous and expensive, but that's no excuse if you're a multi-billion dollar company as Toshiba claims to be.
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For those still interested in PS3 as Blu-Ray player, you should act on it now. The 60GB model is reported to be phased out like the 20GB and will be replaced by crippled 80GB model, which is cheaper to make and will be still priced at $599 retail. I think CircuitCity has a deal $499 deal with extra remote and free movies.....
Once the 60GB models clear the inventory.... PS3 is back to $599 with 20GB more but crippled software emulated PS2 compatibility.
Way to go Sony....
PS3 Fire Sale on 60GB model......
For those still interested in PS3 as Blu-Ray player, you should act on it now. The 60GB model is reported to be phased out like the 20GB and will be replaced by crippled 80GB model, which is cheaper to make and will be still priced at $599 retail. I think CircuitCity has a deal $499 deal with extra remote and free movies.....
Once the 60GB models clear the inventory.... PS3 is back to $599 with 20GB more but crippled software emulated PS2 compatibility.
Way to go Sony....
Fire sale I can take
Especially when promoting the PS3 as a BD player!?
you dont think there should be a price drop on the PS3? you dont think that with a free remote and 5 free movies that this is a good deal?
I seem to remember that m$ dropped the original xbox ASAP! but then I guess if its your pet peeve Sony then you can jump up and down like a four year old about it
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PS I totally agree with you about movie pricing and screen quality issues (made a post to that effect a while back) seen the first HP movie and thought "meh" and havent bothered about them since, but it would seem that they might become a nice little "undiscovered gem" for me in a few years time
He's talking about the fact that PS3's hardware emulation has now been dropped in favour of software emulation, in order to shave costs and bridge some of the price difference with the Wii.
OR
He's spreading FEAR UNCERTAINTY and DOUBT.
PS3 Fire Sale on 60GB model......
For those still interested in PS3 as Blu-Ray player, you should act on it now. The 60GB model is reported to be phased out like the 20GB and will be replaced by crippled 80GB model, which is cheaper to make and will be still priced at $599 retail. I think CircuitCity has a deal $499 deal with extra remote and free movies.....
Once the 60GB models clear the inventory.... PS3 is back to $599 with 20GB more but crippled software emulated PS2 compatibility.
Way to go Sony....
SCEA (Sony) is denying this report...
http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?op...=6427&Itemid=2
SCEA (Sony) is denying this report...
http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?op...=6427&Itemid=2
Sony had also denied about the 20GB models, too. Then it became officially dropped.
For those Blu-Ray movie format supporters, I guess it's not a big deal.... but for those who are buying for gaming...... who knows...
Anyway, $499 PS3 will not last long before only the 80GB models are available at $599.
SCEA (Sony) is denying this report...
http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?op...=6427&Itemid=2
Kaz Hirai's already confirmed it. They've ceased production of the 60GB models. By later this year, only the 80GB (and backwards-compatibility-crippled) units will be available, and, once again, at $599.
http://www.homemediaretailing.com/ne...ticle_id=10894
Limited offer as usual.... Good Luck!...
Kaz Hirai's already confirmed it. They've ceased production of the 60GB models. By later this year, only the 80GB (and backwards-compatibility-crippled) units will be available, and, once again, at $599.
and once again at $599 INCLUDING Motorstorm.
I reckon once the 60BGs are out of the retail channel the 80GB version will lose the Motorstorm and drop in price.
Most people who actually own a Euro-spec PS3 say it's not a big deal. The Emotion Engine was good for the very beginning, when most buyers were migrating from PS2s and the software emulation wasn't up to par. It's not that big a deal anymore since the PS3 has a sizeable library of games now. Also, the software emulation is a lot better than in the beginning, so having a hardware solution isn't all that important. Hardly "crippled." Indeed, many people say the software path is superior to having the Emotion Engine. For one thing, the EE wasn't as backward compatible as Sony planned. The software solution, by virtue of being upgradeable, has evolved and eliminated most of the problems.
Exactly! I happen to be one of those that own a Euro PS3 minus the EE. not a problem at all really.
I bought a PS1 way back and did worry about moving to PS2, but really once you start playing whatever constitutes "next gen" at the time, you soon forget and dont bother with "last gen" games. so really I dont see the problem at all.
but then anyone moaning and bitching about it should look what M$ did with the xbox - xbox360, ALL software emulation.. so.. pfft!
How about $99 HD-A2 HD-DVD player?
http://www.homemediaretailing.com/ne...ticle_id=10894
Limited offer as usual.... Good Luck!...
It's only for people attending Home Media Expo. Just registering for the expo will cost you more than $200. So much for the money you saved by not buying it retail or from Amazon. That doesn't include airfare, hotel, car rental, etc., if you don't live in or near Vegas. Not exactly useful news for the "J6P" you're always going on about, who wouldn't go to the expo even if they knew what it was.
Not to mention this smacks of desperation more than anything else so far. Can anyone truthfully say that Toshiba isn't losing money on this offer? Sooooo... any guesses on when Toshiba will say, "Free player! FREE! With three movies! Come and get it! Just help us gain market share! PLEEEEEEASE!!!"
It's only for people attending Home Media Expo. Just registering for the expo will cost you more than $200. So much for the money you saved by not buying it retail or from Amazon. That doesn't include airfare, hotel, car rental, etc., if you don't live in or near Vegas. Not exactly useful news for the "J6P" you're always going on about, who wouldn't go to the expo even if they knew what it was.
Not to mention this smacks of desperation more than anything else so far. Can anyone truthfully say that Toshiba isn't losing money on this offer? Sooooo... any guesses on when Toshiba will say, "Free player! FREE! With three movies! Come and get it! Just help us gain market share! PLEEEEEEASE!!!"
Yup.... Just like getting a free Blu-Ray movie player when you spend $599 for a gaming console......
Obviously, the offer is not for everyone or not everyone can take advantage of the offer.
Not to mention this smacks of desperation more than anything else so far. Can anyone truthfully say that Toshiba isn't losing money on this offer? Sooooo... any guesses on when Toshiba will say, "Free player! FREE! With three movies! Come and get it! Just help us gain market share! PLEEEEEEASE!!!"
Oh but "desperation" isn't cutting $100 from the PS3 and giving 5 free movies away? Can anyone truthfully say Sony isn't losing money on this offer ...wait ...we already knew that.
http://kotaku.com/gaming/oh-snap/pla...oss-260809.php
http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/16/p...s-bottom-line/
See on one hand there's "speculation" that Toshiba is losing money and on the other hand proof that Sony has.
Yup.... Just like getting a free Blu-Ray movie player when you spend $599 for a gaming console......
Obviously, the offer is not for everyone or not everyone can take advantage of the offer.
Yeah, obviously not everyone can get a PS3 for $499.
Oh but "desperation" isn't cutting $100 from the PS3 and giving 5 free movies away? Can anyone truthfully say Sony isn't losing money on this offer ...wait ...we already knew that.
http://kotaku.com/gaming/oh-snap/pla...oss-260809.php
http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/16/p...s-bottom-line/
See on one hand there's "speculation" that Toshiba is losing money and on the other hand proof that Sony has.
Interesting. Murch as always. Engadget is a terribly untrustworthy source for information, he says. Until it has something he wants to cite. As for anyone truthfully saying Sony isn't losing money, maybe the analyst quoted in this article at Bloomberg is saying that? It's easy to look at a year's results and say they lost money, but honestly, Murchie, can you really say with a straight face that that means anything without breaking it down month by month? For all you know, they lost the $2 billion in the first three months and broke even in the following months. Very unlikely, but it's just the kind of thing an intelligent person would want to know instead of taking aggregate figures. "Speculation"? Again, can you honestly say with a straight face that you think Toshiba can make a profit with a $99 HD player bundled with three movies? NOBODY could make a profit with that, not even your ever-looming Chinese manufacturers. This has got to be a new low for you, Murch.
"Speculation"? Again, can you honestly say with a straight face that you think Toshiba can make a profit with a $99 HD player bundled with three movies? NOBODY could make a profit with that, not even your ever-looming Chinese manufacturers. This has got to be a new low for you, Murch.
No-one has said that Toshiba is making a profit on this special promotion - which is likely geared to sway home media enthusiasts and press attendees of this event. It's simply a smart marketing move.
On the other hand, having to cut hardware from your console so you can drop its price to try to compete with another console that is beating you in sales by a huge margin - and luring developers away from your box, that's desperation.
No-one has said that Toshiba is making a profit on this special promotion - which is likely geared to sway home media enthusiasts and press attendees of this event. It's simply a smart marketing move.
On the other hand, having to cut hardware from your console so you can drop its price to try to compete with another console that is beating you in sales by a huge margin - and luring developers away from your box, that's desperation.
And not taking into account that "another console" has been on sale for a year longer...well, that's just plain idiocy.
Can someone say, MGS4?...Unreal Tournament 3...or Haze...? PS3 eeexxClusphem..ahem...True, you win some and lose some, and some go dual format...but your whole claims here reek of FUD.
No-one has said that Toshiba is making a profit on this special promotion - which is likely geared to sway home media enthusiasts and press attendees of this event. It's simply a smart marketing move.
See on one hand there's "speculation" that Toshiba is losing money and on the other hand proof that Sony has.
He calls it speculation. Translation: He thinks they're not losing money on this offer. And the only reason we don't have "proof" that Toshiba "hasn't"? Toshiba is a Pink Sheet stock, not listed on the major exchanges. It's under no obligation to the SEC to report its financials.
On the other hand, having to cut hardware from your console so you can drop its price to try to compete with another console that is beating you in sales by a huge margin - and luring developers away from your box, that's desperation.
Have you been reading? The Emotion Engine was an interim step that was not satisfactory. Don't you remember the hubbub when the PS3 was launched where some reports complained it was compatible with fewer games than planned? The software emulation can be user-upgraded. The EE can't. You buy the machine, you're stuck with the installed chip forever. Besides, what's so smart about keeping around an extra chip when the Cell CPU is more than capable of handling the emulation at full speed? It adds complexity to the motherboard and does nothing most of the time, since most PS3 owners don't play old PS2 games. Why don't you castigate Apple for no longer supporting the Classic environment?
And not taking into account that "another console" has been on sale for a year longer...well, that's just plain idiocy.
I thought the Wii went on sale the same time as the PS3
He calls it speculation. Translation: He thinks they're not losing money on this offer. And the only reason we don't have "proof" that Toshiba "hasn't"? Toshiba is a Pink Sheet stock, not listed on the major exchanges. It's under no obligation to the SEC to report its financials.
Then that's a tactical error on your part. Why would you posit how much money Toshiba is losing when it's easy to see the money Sony is losing?
I agree that the 99 buck HD DVD player and 3 movies is a loss leader but then again the attendees of the even have already spent hundreds on merely attending the even so it makes sense.
I wrote:
Can anyone truthfully say that Toshiba isn't losing money on this offer?
To which you very specifically responded:
See on one hand there's "speculation" that Toshiba is losing money
Now you write:
I agree that the 99 buck HD DVD player and 3 movies is a loss leader
Which is it? Is it just "speculation" or is it a loss leader? You can't have it both ways.
BTW, you obviously don't understand the Pink Sheets. They're almost exclusively used for companies which don't want to report information per SEC regulations governing companies on the NYSE, Nasdaq and American Stock Exchange (i.e. have something to hide). Yeah, the smaller companies claim that SEC reporting is too onerous and expensive, but that's no excuse if you're a multi-billion dollar company as Toshiba claims to be.