Remind me again why Parawhore went HD DVD exclusive? (notice Disturbia in the top ten on Blu-ray w/ HD DVD's version no where to be found in the top ten)...mmm, yeah, we know, but every whore now and again needs pimp slapped for making mistakes.
I see this trend, 70:30 continuing with Fox back in the game and with the heavy blockbusters from Pixar/Disney and Sony to come this holiday.
Anyone else also notice that the Warner Senior VP has steeped down, who was a very outspoken proponent of HD DVD...
One can only hope that he is replaced with a rational person who see where the money has been and will continue to be in this high-def market--with Blu-ray around 70% all year long.
The 29% to 71% FOR THIS WEEK!!! thats as unexpected as Paramounts announcement! I seriously expected a bit more from HD-DVD.
Its really gonna be interesting, just when it looked settled.
Nowhere, nobody wants a flipper disc after they have experienced a CD. It was one of the nails in LDs coffin.
Well... maybe that's why Warner VP's departure announcement?... I am beginning to think that he may also be the man behind the combo HD-DVD.... just a hunch.
Personally, I wouldn't try and read any tea leaves based on the Warner VP resignation. I've seen speculation ranging from that they're going exclusively HD-DVD, to start putting out more BD, to going BD exclusive. One person even had the gall to say that his announcement was exactly what it said, he was going to explore other things. Someone responded to this by saying maybe he just tired of this whole format war mess.
Well, I enriched Paramount's coffers today by purchasing The Untouchables. Got the last copy the Lynnwood BB had on the shelf. That will probably be my last Paramount purchase including the SD-DVD format.
My bad on BetaMax. By the time I got around to buying a machine VHS had won. Our elementary school had a video tape recorder-- that's tape, not a cassette. Somebody went through the roof and made off with the beast. That's the best thing that ever happed as we were able to replace it with a cassette machine. Both were huge honkers. This was back probably in the mid 70s, before most of you were born.
The decision by Paramount Home Entertainment and DreamWorks Animation to go exclusively with HD DVD is huge in the high-def format war.
But it may not be big enough to take away Blu-ray Disc’s momentum, according to Jim Bottoms, CEO of media research firm Understanding & Solutions.
“The Paramount announcement has weakened the Blu-ray offerings,” he told attendees at a Macrovision-sponsored research seminar at The Peninsula Beverly Hills on Aug. 22. “Having said that, it hasn’t strengthened HD DVD.
“The weight of the industry is still very much behind Blu-ray … We do not believe, overall, it’s going to change the outcome of the battle.”
Understanding & Solutions isn’t picking sides, Bottoms stressed, but the sellthrough sales clip this year of Blu-ray Discs compared to HD DVDs (2 to 1, according to Nielsen VideoScan), and the forecast for the rest of the year, had his firm convinced consumers will pick a side with their wallets once and for all by the first quarter of 2008.
How about now?
“We won’t see resolution in Q4 this year,” Bottoms said bluntly. “Paramount’s decision prolongs [confusion over] the format issue.”
While U.S. consumers are still confused over what it takes to have a true high-def household, they’ve got one piece of the puzzle figured out: HDTVs. An Understanding & Solutions forecast has 40 million high-def enabled TVs being shipped each year by the end of the decade, more than 12 million of those with screens 37 inches to 49 inches wide.
“Consumers are moving toward larger and larger screen sizes,” Bottoms said.
All content providers and hardware manufacturers eventually will migrate to HD product almost exclusively, Bottoms said, adding the days of $100 high-def set-top boxes are not far away, “and we’re not looking at 2011 to get there.” While DVD will still be king in 2011 — and “the revenues are not going to come from digital [delivery] for four to five years” — high-def will be making a lot more noise.
By 2011, 36% of all U.S. households will have Blu-ray and/or HD DVD players, with another 22% of households owning that “important Trojan horse” for high-def: HD-enabled game consoles, Bottoms said. HD-enabled PC drives will be in 17% of U.S. households by 2011.
On the content side, Comcast and DirecTV plan on a combined 500-plus high-def channels in the next year, and while only one in five U.S. households are watching high-def programming today, three out of four will be hooked on HD by 2011, according to the Understanding & Solutions’ forecast.
As for the optical format, Understanding & Solutions predicts 669 million high-def units will be sold domestically by 2011. And while Blu-ray has a 90% hold on high-def optical media in Japan, how the war goes in America will determine what people will be watching high-def on worldwide, Bottoms said.
“The United States is going to be the battleground,” he said.
Well... maybe that's why Warner VP's departure announcement?... I am beginning to think that he may also be the man behind the combo HD-DVD.... just a hunch.
haha poor dude must have red ears! maybe he "wants to spend more time with his family" after a visit to kinky town in hong kong?
Nowhere, nobody wants a flipper disc after they have experienced a CD. It was one of the nails in LDs coffin.
I think he was referring to the discs that were to have HD-DVD on one side and Blu-Ray on the other. You wouldn't need to flip it. Personally I like to have "artwork" on one side of the disc. LDs on the other hand had to be flipped in order to finish watching the movie.
Actually, that's not quite true. There were quite a few auto-reverse LD players, including Pioneer and Sony models. I still have one in my media stack, a Panasonic Prism LX-1000. The only downside is that the head assembly took a few seconds to travel to the B side, so you'd have to watch a digitized still frame during that interval. You also had to make sure you had the right side up when loading the disk, otherwise you'd be watching the second half of the movie first.
Initial 4 years of DVD was spent with the enthusiasts prior to the mass acceptance. And during this time, people did pay $1000 for their first DVD players and did shed the blood for J6P.
No they shed money for the best player on the market that lasted halfway through the 2nd gen. The Sony DVP S7000. There were other mega-buck DVD players but I would guess most folks on AVS spending at that level got the Sony. The ones with deeper wallets got the Camelot Roundtable. My first DVD player was the Pioneer DV-414 purchased for $380 or so (slightly under $400 is all I really remember) in the summer of 1999...amusingly enough I think at a Circuit City on a whim since I had just moved but all my HT gear was still in transit.
The average sale price for DVD players in 1997 was only $591 declining to $422 in 1998.
Of course, DVD had much benefit over the VHS and others, but w/out enthusiasts dropping $ in the hardware to eventually reach a consumer end pricing, which was $199 and lower, it would not have been much of a sucess.
Not so much given the average sale price in 1997 was only $519. Only 300K units shipped. 1998 was better with 1M units but the ASP is down a hundred bucks too.
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Consumers had to choose from LD vs. VHS vs. DIVX vs. DVD and not from a single format.
Please. DIVX was DEAD by June 1999 and barely lasted a year. LD was always niche and never a J6P format. VHS wasn't a disc format but the old incumbent like DVD today.
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This format war isn't something new. In three to 4 years time, we'll see another better and improved but more expensive format evolving for the enthusiasts and approved to J6P use and pricing.
It isn't new given SACD and DVDA but it sure is stupid and NOT good for the consumer. Prices dropped ANYWAY and the historical numbers show that. Which you would know if you weren't pulling numbers out of your ass or actually owned a DVD player within 4 years of launch.
If there weren't a format war sales would be higher overall IMHO and pricing would be naturally falling anyway perhaps 6-12 months slower based on DVD's history but falling reasonably none the less. That feeling is shared.
We have a format war in XMas 2008 and both formats are likely doomed. Hollywood better get its act together.
No they shed money for the best player on the market that lasted halfway through the 2nd gen. The Sony DVP S7000. There were other mega-buck DVD players but I would guess most folks on AVS spending at that level got the Sony. The ones with deeper wallets got the Camelot Roundtable. My first DVD player was the Pioneer DV-414 purchased for $380 or so (slightly under $400 is all I really remember) in the summer of 1999...amusingly enough I think at a Circuit City on a whim since I had just moved but all my HT gear was still in transit.
The average sale price for DVD players in 1997 was only $591 declining to $422 in 1998.
Not so much given the average sale price in 1997 was only $519. Only 300K units shipped. 1998 was better with 1M units but the ASP is down a hundred bucks too.
Please. DIVX was DEAD by June 1999 and barely lasted a year. LD was always niche and never a J6P format. VHS wasn't a disc format but the old incumbent like DVD today.
It isn't new given SACD and DVDA but it sure is stupid and NOT good for the consumer. Prices dropped ANYWAY and the historical numbers show that. Which you would know if you weren't pulling numbers out of your ass or actually owned a DVD player within 4 years of launch.
If there weren't a format war sales would be higher overall IMHO and pricing would be naturally falling anyway perhaps 6-12 months slower based on DVD's history but falling reasonably none the less. That feeling is shared.
We have a format war in XMas 2008 and both formats are likely doomed. Hollywood better get its act together.
Vinea
If I remember correctly, when DVD was launched in March 1997 in the states, I believe the the first player was retailed at $699 or so. Of course, there were always a higher end options which even now cost over $3k if one cares to look in the enthusiast line, but most video enthusiasts at the time were true high end users. Therefore, many did buy $1k+ units. In the case of DVD, the entry level hardware did not drop more than half within the first 12 month product cycle. It took nearly 4 years before the price starts dropping below $200 which I believe the mass acceptance started between late summer/Fall of year 2000.
However, at the current rate of HD-DVD, it's aiming to hit about 1/3 of the launch price by end of 2007 with HD-DVDlaunch date being March 2006. We will very likely see sub $200/$150 HD-DVD players by the holiday season this year. Such price drop could only be possible by fierce promotions due to the presence of it's competing format. As you have pointed out, that price does drop over time, but not at the rate we are seeing with HD-DVD hardwares.
If the HiDef format did followed the same steps as the DVD, than most of us should not have seen sub $200 HiDef players until late 2009...... but we're already there and it's only 2007.
If I remember correctly, when DVD was launched in March 1997 in the states, I believe the the first player was retailed at $699 or so. Of course, there were always a higher end options which even now cost over $3k if one cares to look in the enthusiast line, but most video enthusiasts at the time were true high end users. Therefore, many did buy $1k+ units. In the case of DVD, the entry level hardware did not drop more than half within the first 12 month product cycle. It took nearly 4 years before the price starts dropping below $200 which I believe the mass acceptance started between late summer/Fall of year 2000.
Mass acceptance was around then...though I'd say a little earlier. It's basically right though.
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However, at the current rate of HD-DVD, it's aiming to hit about 1/3 of the launch price by end of 2007 with HD-DVDlaunch date being March 2006. We will very likely see sub $200/$150 HD-DVD players by the holiday season this year. Such price drop could only be possible by fierce promotions due to the presence of it's competing format. As you have pointed out, that price does drop over time, but not at the rate we are seeing with HD-DVD hardwares.
True. Also, Blu-Ray has come down by nearly 50%. It's a pretty steep drop.
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If the HiDef format did followed the same steps as the DVD, than most of us should not have seen sub $200 HiDef players until late 2009...... but we're already there and it's only 2007.
That's true as well. The question will be how low blu-ray goes too. If it gets close enough, the price advantage of HD-DVD will be negated. Remember, the price drops for HD-DVD may hit the point of diminishing returns. How low can it go? Good DVD players are still $100 plus. What is HD-DVD going to do...go to $99 or $79? That will be a sign of desperation.
I think he was referring to the discs that were to have HD-DVD on one side and Blu-Ray on the other. You wouldn't need to flip it. Personally I like to have "artwork" on one side of the disc. LDs on the other hand had to be flipped in order to finish watching the movie.
it's still a disc that has the potential for flipping (a bad thing in the mind share of most people), doesn't have the art work as you say (like CDs and now DVDs that people are used to already) and would cost more as you are paying for the codec used on BOTH sides, plus a likely studio tax for pressing in both formats (all of which in the mind share of anyone means less value). its a crazy idea to begin with. Look at the extra costs of the HD-DVD/SD-DVD double sided discs.
You also had to make sure you had the right side up when loading the disk, otherwise you'd be watching the second half of the movie first.
Did that with Dr Zhivago, which sort of ruined it for me as I'd never seen it before (yeah I know I know!) which is also part of why people dont like flipper discs.
I think the players already are attractively priced. They don't need to get to sub $100 prices in order for those who want them to be able to afford them. Remember an HD set is generally over $1000. If someone can only afford a sub $100 player they probably don't have a HD set to play it on.
The main hold up with adoption is the format war. The prices are not an obstacle anymore IMO.
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This time it's personal!
Paramount Choking on Microshaft's Greenback...
Remind me again why Parawhore went HD DVD exclusive? (notice Disturbia in the top ten on Blu-ray w/ HD DVD's version no where to be found in the top ten)...mmm, yeah, we know, but every whore now and again needs pimp slapped for making mistakes.
I see this trend, 70:30 continuing with Fox back in the game and with the heavy blockbusters from Pixar/Disney and Sony to come this holiday.
Anyone else also notice that the Warner Senior VP has steeped down, who was a very outspoken proponent of HD DVD...
Warner Brothers' Steve Nickerson Steps Down
One can only hope that he is replaced with a rational person who see where the money has been and will continue to be in this high-def market--with Blu-ray around 70% all year long.
The 29% to 71% FOR THIS WEEK!!! thats as unexpected as Paramounts announcement! I seriously expected a bit more from HD-DVD.
Its really gonna be interesting, just when it looked settled.
Consumers had to choose from LD vs. VHS vs. DIVX vs. DVD and not from a single format.
OKAAAY, theres no arguing with you.
Actually, he was proponent to neutral format support, remember HD/BD flip disc?
and where did that idea go?
Nowhere, nobody wants a flipper disc after they have experienced a CD. It was one of the nails in LDs coffin.
and where did that idea go?
Nowhere, nobody wants a flipper disc after they have experienced a CD. It was one of the nails in LDs coffin.
Well... maybe that's why Warner VP's departure announcement?... I am beginning to think that he may also be the man behind the combo HD-DVD.... just a hunch.
Microshaft? Parawhore? Pimpslapping?
You've lost it Marz. When you have to stoop to this kind of thing to promote your side, it's time to take a step back and reevaluate.
It's pretty sad to watch actually.
It's called humor, reevaluate your funny bone. Sheesh.
Well, I enriched Paramount's coffers today by purchasing The Untouchables. Got the last copy the Lynnwood BB had on the shelf. That will probably be my last Paramount purchase including the SD-DVD format.
My bad on BetaMax. By the time I got around to buying a machine VHS had won. Our elementary school had a video tape recorder-- that's tape, not a cassette. Somebody went through the roof and made off with the beast. That's the best thing that ever happed as we were able to replace it with a cassette machine. Both were huge honkers. This was back probably in the mid 70s, before most of you were born.
http://www.homemediaretailing.com/ne...ticle_id=11080
The decision by Paramount Home Entertainment and DreamWorks Animation to go exclusively with HD DVD is huge in the high-def format war.
But it may not be big enough to take away Blu-ray Disc’s momentum, according to Jim Bottoms, CEO of media research firm Understanding & Solutions.
“The Paramount announcement has weakened the Blu-ray offerings,” he told attendees at a Macrovision-sponsored research seminar at The Peninsula Beverly Hills on Aug. 22. “Having said that, it hasn’t strengthened HD DVD.
“The weight of the industry is still very much behind Blu-ray … We do not believe, overall, it’s going to change the outcome of the battle.”
Understanding & Solutions isn’t picking sides, Bottoms stressed, but the sellthrough sales clip this year of Blu-ray Discs compared to HD DVDs (2 to 1, according to Nielsen VideoScan), and the forecast for the rest of the year, had his firm convinced consumers will pick a side with their wallets once and for all by the first quarter of 2008.
How about now?
“We won’t see resolution in Q4 this year,” Bottoms said bluntly. “Paramount’s decision prolongs [confusion over] the format issue.”
While U.S. consumers are still confused over what it takes to have a true high-def household, they’ve got one piece of the puzzle figured out: HDTVs. An Understanding & Solutions forecast has 40 million high-def enabled TVs being shipped each year by the end of the decade, more than 12 million of those with screens 37 inches to 49 inches wide.
“Consumers are moving toward larger and larger screen sizes,” Bottoms said.
All content providers and hardware manufacturers eventually will migrate to HD product almost exclusively, Bottoms said, adding the days of $100 high-def set-top boxes are not far away, “and we’re not looking at 2011 to get there.” While DVD will still be king in 2011 — and “the revenues are not going to come from digital [delivery] for four to five years” — high-def will be making a lot more noise.
By 2011, 36% of all U.S. households will have Blu-ray and/or HD DVD players, with another 22% of households owning that “important Trojan horse” for high-def: HD-enabled game consoles, Bottoms said. HD-enabled PC drives will be in 17% of U.S. households by 2011.
On the content side, Comcast and DirecTV plan on a combined 500-plus high-def channels in the next year, and while only one in five U.S. households are watching high-def programming today, three out of four will be hooked on HD by 2011, according to the Understanding & Solutions’ forecast.
As for the optical format, Understanding & Solutions predicts 669 million high-def units will be sold domestically by 2011. And while Blu-ray has a 90% hold on high-def optical media in Japan, how the war goes in America will determine what people will be watching high-def on worldwide, Bottoms said.
“The United States is going to be the battleground,” he said.
My thoughts exactly with my emphasis added.
Well... maybe that's why Warner VP's departure announcement?... I am beginning to think that he may also be the man behind the combo HD-DVD.... just a hunch.
haha
As for the optical format, Understanding & Solutions predicts 669 million high-def units will be sold domestically by 2011.
cool, the year after we make contact!
and where did that idea go?
Nowhere, nobody wants a flipper disc after they have experienced a CD. It was one of the nails in LDs coffin.
I think he was referring to the discs that were to have HD-DVD on one side and Blu-Ray on the other. You wouldn't need to flip it. Personally I like to have "artwork" on one side of the disc. LDs on the other hand had to be flipped in order to finish watching the movie.
Initial 4 years of DVD was spent with the enthusiasts prior to the mass acceptance. And during this time, people did pay $1000 for their first DVD players and did shed the blood for J6P.
No they shed money for the best player on the market that lasted halfway through the 2nd gen. The Sony DVP S7000. There were other mega-buck DVD players but I would guess most folks on AVS spending at that level got the Sony. The ones with deeper wallets got the Camelot Roundtable. My first DVD player was the Pioneer DV-414 purchased for $380 or so (slightly under $400 is all I really remember) in the summer of 1999...amusingly enough I think at a Circuit City on a whim since I had just moved but all my HT gear was still in transit.
The average sale price for DVD players in 1997 was only $591 declining to $422 in 1998.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...38/ai_54556603
This source lists the average DVD player price was $298 in 1999...a mere 2 years post launch. AVERAGE. Many players were $200 or less.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...39/ai_59426634
Of course, DVD had much benefit over the VHS and others, but w/out enthusiasts dropping $ in the hardware to eventually reach a consumer end pricing, which was $199 and lower, it would not have been much of a sucess.
Not so much given the average sale price in 1997 was only $519. Only 300K units shipped. 1998 was better with 1M units but the ASP is down a hundred bucks too.
Consumers had to choose from LD vs. VHS vs. DIVX vs. DVD and not from a single format.
Please. DIVX was DEAD by June 1999 and barely lasted a year. LD was always niche and never a J6P format. VHS wasn't a disc format but the old incumbent like DVD today.
This format war isn't something new. In three to 4 years time, we'll see another better and improved but more expensive format evolving for the enthusiasts and approved to J6P use and pricing.
It isn't new given SACD and DVDA but it sure is stupid and NOT good for the consumer. Prices dropped ANYWAY and the historical numbers show that. Which you would know if you weren't pulling numbers out of your ass or actually owned a DVD player within 4 years of launch.
If there weren't a format war sales would be higher overall IMHO and pricing would be naturally falling anyway perhaps 6-12 months slower based on DVD's history but falling reasonably none the less. That feeling is shared.
We have a format war in XMas 2008 and both formats are likely doomed. Hollywood better get its act together.
Vinea
LDs on the other hand had to be flipped in order to finish watching the movie.
The artwork was on the box and sometimes in books included in the box.
There were quite a few auto-reverse LD players, including Pioneer and Sony models. I still have one in my media stack...
I'm almost afraid to ask what comprises the rest of the stack...8-track? vacuum tubes?
No they shed money for the best player on the market that lasted halfway through the 2nd gen. The Sony DVP S7000. There were other mega-buck DVD players but I would guess most folks on AVS spending at that level got the Sony. The ones with deeper wallets got the Camelot Roundtable. My first DVD player was the Pioneer DV-414 purchased for $380 or so (slightly under $400 is all I really remember) in the summer of 1999...amusingly enough I think at a Circuit City on a whim since I had just moved but all my HT gear was still in transit.
The average sale price for DVD players in 1997 was only $591 declining to $422 in 1998.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...38/ai_54556603
This source lists the average DVD player price was $298 in 1999...a mere 2 years post launch. AVERAGE. Many players were $200 or less.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...39/ai_59426634
Not so much given the average sale price in 1997 was only $519. Only 300K units shipped. 1998 was better with 1M units but the ASP is down a hundred bucks too.
Please. DIVX was DEAD by June 1999 and barely lasted a year. LD was always niche and never a J6P format. VHS wasn't a disc format but the old incumbent like DVD today.
It isn't new given SACD and DVDA but it sure is stupid and NOT good for the consumer. Prices dropped ANYWAY and the historical numbers show that. Which you would know if you weren't pulling numbers out of your ass or actually owned a DVD player within 4 years of launch.
If there weren't a format war sales would be higher overall IMHO and pricing would be naturally falling anyway perhaps 6-12 months slower based on DVD's history but falling reasonably none the less. That feeling is shared.
We have a format war in XMas 2008 and both formats are likely doomed. Hollywood better get its act together.
Vinea
If I remember correctly, when DVD was launched in March 1997 in the states, I believe the the first player was retailed at $699 or so. Of course, there were always a higher end options which even now cost over $3k if one cares to look in the enthusiast line, but most video enthusiasts at the time were true high end users. Therefore, many did buy $1k+ units. In the case of DVD, the entry level hardware did not drop more than half within the first 12 month product cycle. It took nearly 4 years before the price starts dropping below $200 which I believe the mass acceptance started between late summer/Fall of year 2000.
However, at the current rate of HD-DVD, it's aiming to hit about 1/3 of the launch price by end of 2007 with HD-DVDlaunch date being March 2006. We will very likely see sub $200/$150 HD-DVD players by the holiday season this year. Such price drop could only be possible by fierce promotions due to the presence of it's competing format. As you have pointed out, that price does drop over time, but not at the rate we are seeing with HD-DVD hardwares.
If the HiDef format did followed the same steps as the DVD, than most of us should not have seen sub $200 HiDef players until late 2009...... but we're already there and it's only 2007.
If I remember correctly, when DVD was launched in March 1997 in the states, I believe the the first player was retailed at $699 or so. Of course, there were always a higher end options which even now cost over $3k if one cares to look in the enthusiast line, but most video enthusiasts at the time were true high end users. Therefore, many did buy $1k+ units. In the case of DVD, the entry level hardware did not drop more than half within the first 12 month product cycle. It took nearly 4 years before the price starts dropping below $200 which I believe the mass acceptance started between late summer/Fall of year 2000.
Mass acceptance was around then...though I'd say a little earlier. It's basically right though.
However, at the current rate of HD-DVD, it's aiming to hit about 1/3 of the launch price by end of 2007 with HD-DVDlaunch date being March 2006. We will very likely see sub $200/$150 HD-DVD players by the holiday season this year. Such price drop could only be possible by fierce promotions due to the presence of it's competing format. As you have pointed out, that price does drop over time, but not at the rate we are seeing with HD-DVD hardwares.
True. Also, Blu-Ray has come down by nearly 50%. It's a pretty steep drop.
If the HiDef format did followed the same steps as the DVD, than most of us should not have seen sub $200 HiDef players until late 2009...... but we're already there and it's only 2007.
That's true as well. The question will be how low blu-ray goes too. If it gets close enough, the price advantage of HD-DVD will be negated. Remember, the price drops for HD-DVD may hit the point of diminishing returns. How low can it go? Good DVD players are still $100 plus. What is HD-DVD going to do...go to $99 or $79? That will be a sign of desperation.
I think he was referring to the discs that were to have HD-DVD on one side and Blu-Ray on the other. You wouldn't need to flip it. Personally I like to have "artwork" on one side of the disc. LDs on the other hand had to be flipped in order to finish watching the movie.
it's still a disc that has the potential for flipping (a bad thing in the mind share of most people), doesn't have the art work as you say (like CDs and now DVDs that people are used to already) and would cost more as you are paying for the codec used on BOTH sides, plus a likely studio tax for pressing in both formats (all of which in the mind share of anyone means less value). its a crazy idea to begin with. Look at the extra costs of the HD-DVD/SD-DVD double sided discs.
You also had to make sure you had the right side up when loading the disk, otherwise you'd be watching the second half of the movie first.
Did that with Dr Zhivago, which sort of ruined it for me as I'd never seen it before (yeah I know I know!) which is also part of why people dont like flipper discs.
The main hold up with adoption is the format war. The prices are not an obstacle anymore IMO.