Just to be clear, Frank doesn't like the way Sony treats its customers, and doesn't think they should be trusted with winning control of the next-gen disc format. Aside from that, I don't see any difference in the quality of the films (except that Blu-Ray MAY be more susceptible in the long term to scratches.)
Heh...I'm not a huge Sony fan but I don't distrust them any more than any other large company with many divisions. They have simply not been executing well for their customers and I attribute that more to incompetence rather than malice...even the Root Kit was incompetence vs malice.
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The one thing I hate about this war is that it's forced me to defend Redmond. Anyone who's followed my rants about AppleWorks over the last several years knows I'm no friend of Microsoft.
And I belive that MS isn't evil.
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However I don't see how Microsoft can use its HD-DVD codec to mess with users, and in any case QuickTime (H.264) is mandatory on both formats as well. I still think Sony is the bigger threat here, in the long term.
They aren't using their codec to mess with users. They are using their money to mess with Sony. I'm inclined to think "so what?" except that side effect is a format war no one else needs. Except maybe Apple.
And I don't see how Sony is a long term threat on anything. They want to sell you product so they have to make it attractive or someone else will provide the product.
If you are one of the zealots against DRM then both formats are unacceptable anyway.
That one division did something wonkers doesn't mean the whole company is "ebil". Otherwise Google is "ebil" because I've watched them use their legal might to hinder open source competitors to Google Earth...while Microsoft encouraged them.
Which is the exact opposite behavior one would expect from their corporate reputations.
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And I actually like the fact that the HD-DVD supporters here all have different reasons to support the format. It does speak to the diverse appeal of the format. The fact that all the Blu-Ray backers are all drinking the same kool-aid has been apparent to me as well.
Except that we're not all blu-ray backers per se. Something that HD-DVD proponents steadfastly refuse to accept. I can be anti-format war and not be a blu-ray backer.
If HD-DVD can ship $149 players the format war is all but over (although $99 would really be a better death blow) and I'll cheer...espeically if New Line releases LOTR on HD-DVD. But I have no clue who nfinity is or why we should afford him or her any credence.
Especially given we're folks on AppleInsider and that rumor thread would be juvenile even for us.
If you look at the title of the threed, it's called "CEDIA - I told you so", which is basically a speculations thread as we seldom see here prior to apple events.
One thing that is worth while is news about cheaper chinese HD-DVD players.
The company has a well known History of creating format battles.
Oh, for chrissakes! You just want to pull any failures that Sony has had out of thin air just so you can make a "format battles" statement. Beta was the FIRST consumer videocassette, so how the hell did Sony create a format war there? Minidisc was at war with what? It wasn't really with DCC, because that was what DAT was against (and predated by several years). Who in their right mind would want a fragile, linear access format when a more durable and compact random access format was available? It wasn't against CDs because few people had CD-R burners at the time. Basically, when you make as many technological bets as Sony does, you'll lose some, obviously. But don't go inventing wars where Sony was first on the scene. Hey, Murch, you forgot that Sony also created the Playstation and PS2 format war. Yup, that eeeevil Sony that killed Sega and almost killed Nintendo.
While I'd prefer to see HD-DVD win, that forum post seems to be a lot of fanboyish wishful thinking.
Disney's not likely to go neutral anytime soon, unless Jobs has really changed his mind.
I seriously doubt Sept 5 will see any such blockbuster-type announcements.
However this caught my eye:
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We are at the point now that major releases have the ability to sell over 100,000 copies on each format (look at 300 for example). The cost to produce and release a title on a BD50 is higher than a HD30...this is a fact, not speculation. Sony's deal with Paramount was to subsidise the cost in order to get them to go neutral...that deal is now over with and Paramount has to bear the cost, which makes it much harder to turn a profit on the BD discs. That is the one thing that everyone keeps forgetting in this...profit is what keeps businesses alive, not formats. The cost of manufacturing a HD DVD is much lower than a BD50 disc and now that we are talking about 100,000+ discs and not 10,000 discs, it is becoming an issue.
So I ask the Blu-Ray boys, was this deal as evil as Paramount's turn toward HD-DVD?
Was it alright for Sony to use their millions to artificially reduce the cost of Blu-Ray to make large studios sign on?
Why didn't they trumpet this deal in a press release?
And I actually like the fact that the HD-DVD supporters here all have different reasons to support the format. It does speak to the diverse appeal of the format. The fact that all the Blu-Ray backers are all drinking the same kool-aid has been apparent to me as well.
If HD-DVD can ship $149 players the format war is all but over (although $99 would really be a better death blow) and I'll cheer...espeically if New Line releases LOTR on HD-DVD. But I have no clue who nfinity is or why we should afford him or her any credence.
Especially given we're folks on AppleInsider and that rumor thread would be juvenile even for us.
Vinea
It's 2 in the morning here, and that made me LAUGH!
If you look at the title of the threed, it's called "CEDIA - I told you so", which is basically a speculations thread as we seldom see here prior to apple events.
Hold on HOLD ON!!!
Do you know the meaning of seldom? is this what I've been missing in your posts all along, you are not aware of what the big words are? or dyslexic? It would explain so much, no flame intended, just my boggled mind at your usage of the word.
Do you know the meaning of seldom? is this what I've been missing in your posts all along, you are not aware of what the big words are? or dyslexic? It would explain so much, no flame intended, just my boggled mind at your usage of the word.
Sony's deal with Paramount was to subsidise the cost in order to get them to go neutral...that deal is now over with and Paramount has to bear the cost, which makes it much harder to turn a profit on the BD discs.
So you believe that when some random person on the internet says it, but you don't believe the M$ forking out 150 million story when some random person on the internet says it.
nice take on what to believe, only the stuff that suits your opinion in the first place.
So you believe that when some random person on the internet says it, but you don't believe the M$ forking out 150 million story when some random person on the internet says it.
nice take on what to believe, only the stuff that suits your opinion in the first place.
Do you know the meaning of seldom? is this what I've been missing in your posts all along, you are not aware of what the big words are? or dyslexic? It would explain so much, no flame intended, just my boggled mind at your usage of the word.
perhaps, for your reading pleasure.... should have place [sarcasm]seldom[/sarcasm]........
Its funny, the BD people are pretty much of one voice, all seem to be saying that one single format is good. no matter which.
More disc space is better for films and personal back-up, so BD is better.
and that the format war is bad for any next gen format (against SD-DVD)
but bite seems to think, the war is good for the formats adoption while murch does not.
bite actually bought a BD player (for a week, took it back and wasn't out a penny so has this amusing "right" to speak up against BD in whatever way he sees fit today)
but, murch, who endlessly remarks on his love of f"ilms above formats", when given the chance of buying a $500 BD player (with free movies) bought a $900 HD-DVD player instead, missing out on the $400 worth of films, that he can't watch due to the format war that bite so loves.
Frank seems more interested in assumed payment royalties than the technical advantages of either format so it is likely he isn't that interested in the films, and SD-DVD is probably good enough. He also seems to think that Redmond should be trusted with having a dominant position in the form of a codec.
The HD-DVD supporters on this thread don't agree, the BD supporters do agree, the sane people think one format would be best, no matter which. the sane people seem to think the format thats in most homes would be best for the studios support.
Is it any wonder HD-DVD is being outsold 2 to 1 when their is that much confusion among their suporters.
You sound very puzzled by a thought of having different or opposing views in the matter, as if it is rarity in your world.
The force must be strong with PS3??.It truly must be beyond HiDef.
Studio Canal has revealed an upcoming Blu-ray boxset for the three 'Les Bronzes' films, making it the first Blu-ray release to come from the formally HD DVD exclusive studio. The Studio Canal library is very extensive, as they distribute titles for many of the major studios. No release date specs have been released at this time.
Good news on the Blu-ray front. I fully expect Weinstein to be following suit as well.
The Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) will be one of the main attraction at this year's IFA Consumer Electronics Tradeshow, which officially kicks-off on Friday. At their display, the BDA will display one of the largest showcases of Blu-ray technology, including consumer electronics, professional equipment, and movie media.
The BDA will also be holding a press event - scheduled for tomorrow - which will feature representatives from 20th Century Fox, Warner Home Video, Sony Pictures, and Disney Corp.
Sun Microsystems will be hosting a series of "Java Powered Blu-ray Disc Developer Forums" where they will showcase the interactive power of BD-Java. Here, content owners can get hands-on experience with how they can enhance their titles using Java on Blu-ray discs.
The BDA plans to use IFA as a milestone for Blu-ray to become the next generation content standard, as they plan to showcase what has been achieved since CES earlier this year.
Hmm, should be interesting. Anyone else notice Warner being in the press event? There goes the theories of Warner going exclusively HD DVD for ya. Good to see them in there though.
It makes you wonder what might be announced given the event of the HD DVD group blowing their PR wad on news prior to this event.
That reminds me of another interesting point. Despite the constant drumbeat of Blu-ray supposedly being Sony's baby, it uses a range of software technologies from a variety of companies, like Java from Sun and H.264. On the other hand, Toshiba relies heavily on Microsoft, using their VC-1 as the preferred codec and HDi. I don't know about anybody else, but the less Microsoft software in my equipment, the better. Their stuff has always been underpowered and usually unstable bloatware.
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http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=898672
Just to be clear, Frank doesn't like the way Sony treats its customers, and doesn't think they should be trusted with winning control of the next-gen disc format. Aside from that, I don't see any difference in the quality of the films (except that Blu-Ray MAY be more susceptible in the long term to scratches.)
Heh...I'm not a huge Sony fan but I don't distrust them any more than any other large company with many divisions. They have simply not been executing well for their customers and I attribute that more to incompetence rather than malice...even the Root Kit was incompetence vs malice.
The one thing I hate about this war is that it's forced me to defend Redmond. Anyone who's followed my rants about AppleWorks over the last several years knows I'm no friend of Microsoft.
And I belive that MS isn't evil.
However I don't see how Microsoft can use its HD-DVD codec to mess with users, and in any case QuickTime (H.264) is mandatory on both formats as well. I still think Sony is the bigger threat here, in the long term.
They aren't using their codec to mess with users. They are using their money to mess with Sony. I'm inclined to think "so what?" except that side effect is a format war no one else needs. Except maybe Apple.
And I don't see how Sony is a long term threat on anything. They want to sell you product so they have to make it attractive or someone else will provide the product.
If you are one of the zealots against DRM then both formats are unacceptable anyway.
That one division did something wonkers doesn't mean the whole company is "ebil". Otherwise Google is "ebil" because I've watched them use their legal might to hinder open source competitors to Google Earth...while Microsoft encouraged them.
Which is the exact opposite behavior one would expect from their corporate reputations.
And I actually like the fact that the HD-DVD supporters here all have different reasons to support the format. It does speak to the diverse appeal of the format. The fact that all the Blu-Ray backers are all drinking the same kool-aid has been apparent to me as well.
Except that we're not all blu-ray backers per se. Something that HD-DVD proponents steadfastly refuse to accept. I can be anti-format war and not be a blu-ray backer.
Vinea
I'm not going to say much in fear of getting flamed, but I think everyone should know / see this:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=898672
If HD-DVD can ship $149 players the format war is all but over (although $99 would really be a better death blow) and I'll cheer...espeically if New Line releases LOTR on HD-DVD. But I have no clue who nfinity is or why we should afford him or her any credence.
Especially given we're folks on AppleInsider and that rumor thread would be juvenile even for us.
Vinea
I'm not going to say much in fear of getting flamed, but I think everyone should know / see this:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=898672
If you look at the title of the threed, it's called "CEDIA - I told you so", which is basically a speculations thread as we seldom see here prior to apple events.
One thing that is worth while is news about cheaper chinese HD-DVD players.
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh...e_Holidays/905
Many have been waiting for them and expecting huge impact on the HiDef format war for this holiday season.....
How low can these players go?....
Ahem
SACD
Digital8
MicroMV
Minidisc
Beta
The company has a well known History of creating format battles.
Oh, for chrissakes! You just want to pull any failures that Sony has had out of thin air just so you can make a "format battles" statement. Beta was the FIRST consumer videocassette, so how the hell did Sony create a format war there? Minidisc was at war with what? It wasn't really with DCC, because that was what DAT was against (and predated by several years). Who in their right mind would want a fragile, linear access format when a more durable and compact random access format was available? It wasn't against CDs because few people had CD-R burners at the time. Basically, when you make as many technological bets as Sony does, you'll lose some, obviously. But don't go inventing wars where Sony was first on the scene. Hey, Murch, you forgot that Sony also created the Playstation and PS2 format war. Yup, that eeeevil Sony that killed Sega and almost killed Nintendo.
I'm not going to say much in fear of getting flamed, but I think everyone should know / see this:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=898672
While I'd prefer to see HD-DVD win, that forum post seems to be a lot of fanboyish wishful thinking.
Disney's not likely to go neutral anytime soon, unless Jobs has really changed his mind.
I seriously doubt Sept 5 will see any such blockbuster-type announcements.
However this caught my eye:
We are at the point now that major releases have the ability to sell over 100,000 copies on each format (look at 300 for example). The cost to produce and release a title on a BD50 is higher than a HD30...this is a fact, not speculation. Sony's deal with Paramount was to subsidise the cost in order to get them to go neutral...that deal is now over with and Paramount has to bear the cost, which makes it much harder to turn a profit on the BD discs. That is the one thing that everyone keeps forgetting in this...profit is what keeps businesses alive, not formats. The cost of manufacturing a HD DVD is much lower than a BD50 disc and now that we are talking about 100,000+ discs and not 10,000 discs, it is becoming an issue.
So I ask the Blu-Ray boys, was this deal as evil as Paramount's turn toward HD-DVD?
Was it alright for Sony to use their millions to artificially reduce the cost of Blu-Ray to make large studios sign on?
Why didn't they trumpet this deal in a press release?
And I actually like the fact that the HD-DVD supporters here all have different reasons to support the format. It does speak to the diverse appeal of the format. The fact that all the Blu-Ray backers are all drinking the same kool-aid has been apparent to me as well.
Different CONFLICTING reasons.
If HD-DVD can ship $149 players the format war is all but over (although $99 would really be a better death blow) and I'll cheer...espeically if New Line releases LOTR on HD-DVD. But I have no clue who nfinity is or why we should afford him or her any credence.
Especially given we're folks on AppleInsider and that rumor thread would be juvenile even for us.
Vinea
It's 2 in the morning here, and that made me LAUGH!
If you look at the title of the threed, it's called "CEDIA - I told you so", which is basically a speculations thread as we seldom see here prior to apple events.
Hold on HOLD ON!!!
Do you know the meaning of seldom? is this what I've been missing in your posts all along, you are not aware of what the big words are? or dyslexic? It would explain so much, no flame intended, just my boggled mind at your usage of the word.
Ahem
SACD
Digital8
MicroMV
Minidisc
Beta
Plays for sure and MANY others
Hold on HOLD ON!!!
Do you know the meaning of seldom? is this what I've been missing in your posts all along, you are not aware of what the big words are? or dyslexic? It would explain so much, no flame intended, just my boggled mind at your usage of the word.
Perhaps it's irony.
Sony's deal with Paramount was to subsidise the cost in order to get them to go neutral...that deal is now over with and Paramount has to bear the cost, which makes it much harder to turn a profit on the BD discs.
So you believe that when some random person on the internet says it, but you don't believe the M$ forking out 150 million story when some random person on the internet says it.
nice take on what to believe, only the stuff that suits your opinion in the first place.
So you believe that when some random person on the internet says it, but you don't believe the M$ forking out 150 million story when some random person on the internet says it.
nice take on what to believe, only the stuff that suits your opinion in the first place.
I learned it from the Blu-Ray backers.
Maybe September 5th will be a big day!
I think it's clear that Apple plans to use this event to launch a $149. Chinese-made HD-DVD player.
The catch is that it will only play discs authored by DVD Studio Pro.
Hold on HOLD ON!!!
Do you know the meaning of seldom? is this what I've been missing in your posts all along, you are not aware of what the big words are? or dyslexic? It would explain so much, no flame intended, just my boggled mind at your usage of the word.
perhaps, for your reading pleasure.... should have place [sarcasm]seldom[/sarcasm]........
...... see what's coming....or not coming....
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=898831
Paramount started like this..... with star trek....
Its funny, the BD people are pretty much of one voice, all seem to be saying that one single format is good. no matter which.
More disc space is better for films and personal back-up, so BD is better.
and that the format war is bad for any next gen format (against SD-DVD)
but bite seems to think, the war is good for the formats adoption while murch does not.
bite actually bought a BD player (for a week, took it back and wasn't out a penny so has this amusing "right" to speak up against BD in whatever way he sees fit today)
but, murch, who endlessly remarks on his love of f"ilms above formats", when given the chance of buying a $500 BD player (with free movies) bought a $900 HD-DVD player instead, missing out on the $400 worth of films, that he can't watch due to the format war that bite so loves.
Frank seems more interested in assumed payment royalties than the technical advantages of either format so it is likely he isn't that interested in the films, and SD-DVD is probably good enough. He also seems to think that Redmond should be trusted with having a dominant position in the form of a codec.
The HD-DVD supporters on this thread don't agree, the BD supporters do agree, the sane people think one format would be best, no matter which. the sane people seem to think the format thats in most homes would be best for the studios support.
Is it any wonder HD-DVD is being outsold 2 to 1 when their is that much confusion among their suporters.
You sound very puzzled by a thought of having different or opposing views in the matter, as if it is rarity in your world.
The force must be strong with PS3??.It truly must be beyond HiDef.
This is result of Amazon running buy two and get third movie free promo on selected titles. This time, promo includes both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD titles.
It seems that software promotion is also helping with hardware sales as well at Amazon.
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=443
Studio Canal has revealed an upcoming Blu-ray boxset for the three 'Les Bronzes' films, making it the first Blu-ray release to come from the formally HD DVD exclusive studio. The Studio Canal library is very extensive, as they distribute titles for many of the major studios. No release date specs have been released at this time.
Good news on the Blu-ray front. I fully expect Weinstein to be following suit as well.
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=442
The Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) will be one of the main attraction at this year's IFA Consumer Electronics Tradeshow, which officially kicks-off on Friday. At their display, the BDA will display one of the largest showcases of Blu-ray technology, including consumer electronics, professional equipment, and movie media.
The BDA will also be holding a press event - scheduled for tomorrow - which will feature representatives from 20th Century Fox, Warner Home Video, Sony Pictures, and Disney Corp.
Sun Microsystems will be hosting a series of "Java Powered Blu-ray Disc Developer Forums" where they will showcase the interactive power of BD-Java. Here, content owners can get hands-on experience with how they can enhance their titles using Java on Blu-ray discs.
The BDA plans to use IFA as a milestone for Blu-ray to become the next generation content standard, as they plan to showcase what has been achieved since CES earlier this year.
Hmm, should be interesting. Anyone else notice Warner being in the press event? There goes the theories of Warner going exclusively HD DVD for ya. Good to see them in there though.
It makes you wonder what might be announced given the event of the HD DVD group blowing their PR wad on news prior to this event.