Panasonic has made clear its stance in the high-definition war. "Blu-Ray will succeed to become the predominant high-definition format, be certain," Joachim Reinhart, chief operating officer and president of Panasonic Europe, told journalists at a press conference at IFA 2007 in Berlin this afternoon.
Earlier Reinhart had explained the new ethos within the company - how people are going to "live in high definition", with everything in their home. He's not just talking about consumer electronics, but white goods and other appliances too - all connected up to a wireless network.
The main component of such a home network will be a full high-definition TV, and Panasonic today added five to its Viera range.
The full Viera line-up of full-HD plasma and LCD TVs now includes 65-inch (PZ/PY700 series), 58-inch (PZ/PY700 series), 50-inch (PZ/PY70 series) and 42-inch (PZ/PY70 series) plasma TVs, and a 37-inch (LZD/LZ70 series) LCD TV.
Hook up all your HD devices
Panasonic said these models feature higher-quality reproduction of fast action scenes and render brilliant images with outstanding precision and natural, vivid colours. Various new concepts have been introduced, including the Viera Link function, which hooks up all your HD devices - from camcorders to monitors to your TV - and SDHC networking slots to make viewing movies easier.
The new Panasonic Viera full-HD plasma displays offers a 100,000-hour lifetime, marking a new standard for flat-panel TVs in line with Panasonic new eco thinking. It is also aiming to reduce the materials used to make its products, as well as increase energy efficiency.
"Blu-ray's going to win.....let me verbally spam you with our product details..."
says the Panny Exec. What a goofball. I like Panasonic products but they don't make anything that I can't get elsewhere in equivalent quality. Since they don't own studios the only thing they can do is sell hardware and nothing Panasonic does is going to have the impact of say a Paramount going exclusive.
Would Pioneer, Panny, Sony, Sammy, Sharp, Philips, and Denon standalone blu-ray players all together sell more than............ a cheap sub $200 no name brand HD-DVD player this holiday?.......
Would Pioneer, Panny, Sony, Sammy, Sharp, Philips, and Denon standalone blu-ray players all together sell more than............ a cheap sub $200 no name brand HD-DVD player this holiday?.......
Frankly, I think HD-DVD vs Blue-Ray is just another VHS vs BETA battle: Eventually the porn industry is going to decide which standard is going to make it. And as it seems, they are embracing HD DVD.
This has been discussed and dismissed to death. For the last time: porn does not matter. This is a completely different environment from the early days of videocassette. Unlike then, your only alternatives aren't shady theaters. Nowadays, people can get any porn they want over the Internet, and often free. Nobody desperately needs it in HD and very few want to pay $30 and up for a single disk of it.
Would Pioneer, Panny, Sony, Sammy, Sharp, Philips, and Denon standalone blu-ray players all together sell more than............ a cheap sub $200 no name brand HD-DVD player this holiday?.......
Yes. Do you hear Venturer having great sale figures with DVD or anything else? Most people know better than to buy junk.
Spot on Cam'ron. My thoughts exactly. While it is a good thing that HD DVD has reached the $199 price point, I find it hard to believe that a brand like Venturer will be trumping brands like Sony, Panasonic, Philips, Sharp, Pioneer, Samsung, and LG for Blu-ray. Never underestimate a good brand name. Why? Because with brands comes a consumer's recognition of trust, durability, dependability, and quality. Venturer? (Who?) Otherwise, I think we'd all be owning Venturer products if electronics were soley based on the price variable that HD DVD proponents seem so keen on.
Likewise, it it any wonder why the iPod continues to dominate the mp3 player market? Why isn't cheaper players from SanDisk, Xactix, and others not just pounding Apple into the ground since their players are significantly cheaper?
Great point Cam'ron, let's hope those who are cheerleading for HD DVD here can start to see beyond the price paradigm.
For all the clout and brand-recognition that accompanies names like Sony and Samsung, it was Vizio, a virtual unknown a year ago, that topped all LCD TV makers in the second quarter of this year.
Vizio sold more LCD than all of them. Price trumps all people.
Nowadays, people can get any porn they want over the Internet, and often free. Nobody desperately needs it in HD and very few want to pay $30 and up for a single disk of it.
That also applies to movies that are not porn. One can get almost any movie in reasonable to excellent quality over the internet today. You don't have to pay 30$ for a single disk of it. Of course, most of these "possibilities" are illegal or very close to being illegal, still there is a considerable amount of people who download their movies and do not buy a DVD. With newer and better video encoding, HD quality movies will very soon be appearing on P2P networks all over the world and once again, neither HD-DVD nor Blue-Ray is going to matter. From that perspective, the deciding factor could very well be data storage use. Ie which format is going to store more information more quickly and at a lower cost.
Why do you think CD-R and DVD-R (+ or - standard, doesn't really matter) are today ruling the recordable disk market and not the superior, yet drastically more expensive DVD-RAM?
Vizio sold more LCD than all of them. Price trumps all people.
From the reviews I read, they put decent panels in their displays (for that amount you pay). But, their customer service is terrible, probably cut costs their to keep display prices down. So, will there be repeat buyers? Not the way the big names have repeat buyers.
PS. I am not sure what Vizio has to do with Venturer, the Vizio displays are apparently alright, but I have never seen a quality product from Venturer.
This is a quote from a purchasers from that link you gave: "The TV died on me 7 months after purchase. Customer service did not even answer the phone. They returned a call 36 hours later to say that it will take a tech 3 weeks to come see it. "
Vizio sold more LCD than all of them. Price trumps all people.
You truly are delusional. I'm happy for Vizio, as I believe they are an American company, good for them, really.
However, you need to know that PRICE does NOT trump all. It took Vizio, 3 years to become the top LCD seller FOR A QUARTER. Let me repeat that FOR A QUARTER. You think HD DVD has got three years with the likes of Venturer?
If you bothered to look into it more, you'd find that the leader every quarter changes quite frequently. So your point is rather hollow, much like many of you HD DVD chest thumping arguments. BTW, Sharp had dominated for like 10 quarters in a row, but then gave way to Samsung, and others. Besides that, mostly the same players are up there, and again the majority of them are Blu-ray backers.
Honestly, I can't wait until Fox starts releasing their movies, I think Blu-ray will be in the upper 70% range with their addition. Maybe in the 80% range if Warner gets off their keister.
From the reviews I read, they put decent panels in their displays (for that amount you pay). But, their customer service is terrible, probably cut costs their to keep display prices down. So, will there be repeat buyers? Not the way the big names have repeat buyers.
PS. I am not sure what Vizio has to do with Venturer, the Vizio displays are apparently alright, but I have never seen a quality product from Venturer.
This is a quote from a purchasers from that link you gave: "The TV died on me 7 months after purchase. Customer service did not even answer the phone. They returned a call 36 hours later to say that it will take a tech 3 weeks to come see it. "
Sounds like cheap is the way to go. /Sarcasm.
Ok let me explain the dialectic and how it matters. The original argument was that consumers don't want brands that are "junk" (your comments) Marzetta7 then came in and said
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marzetta7
I find it hard to believe that a brand like Venturer will be trumping brands like Sony, Panasonic, Philips, Sharp, Pioneer, Samsung, and LG for Blu-ray. Never underestimate a good brand name. Why? Because with brands comes a consumer's recognition of trust, durability, dependability, and quality. Venturer? (Who?)
I then linked to a one of many sites that how that Vizio , a company that no one knew about 5 years ago, was the number 1 LCD TV supplier in Q2 of this year. This seems to refute at the least Marzetta7's comments. Vizio isn't "junk" but it certainly isn't going to match a Sony Bravia or Panasonic LCD. However the "take home point" here is that price is indeed more of a factor than name brand which is why we have Wal*Mart, Target and Costco. Enthusiasts buy product from the old hegemony but Joe 6-Pack is fine with the Olevia or Vizio TV as the numbers back this up.
You truly are delusional. I'm happy for Vizio, as I believe they are an American company, good for them, really.
However, you need to know that PRICE does NOT trump all. It took Vizio, 3 years to become the top LCD seller FOR A QUARTER. Let me repeat that FOR A QUARTER. You think HD DVD has got three years with the likes of Venturer?
If you bothered to look into it more, you'd find that the leader every quarter changes quite frequently. So your point is rather hollow, much like many of you HD DVD chest thumping arguments. BTW, Sharp had dominated for like 10 quarters in a row, but then gave way to Samsung, and others. Besides that, mostly the same players are up there, and again the majority of them are Blu-ray backers.
My post rendered the tripe you wanted to push about "name brands" as moot. You're frantically trying to prove your point with old stale data. If a no name company can come from nowhere and take the checkered flag from the industry stalwarts then
a. They have a phenomenal product
b. They have an inexpensive product and good distribution.
I think we know the answer here. I am enjoying you flail away in your rebuttal though. Keep it coming.
Honestly, I can't wait until Fox starts releasing their movies, I think Blu-ray will be in the upper 70% range with their addition. Maybe in the 80% range if Warner gets off their keister.
Yup and you'll still be on the sidelines living vicariously through those who have actually supported their format.
Spot on Cam'ron. My thoughts exactly. While it is a good thing that HD DVD has reached the $199 price point, I find it hard to believe that a brand like Venturer will be trumping brands like Sony, Panasonic, Philips, Sharp, Pioneer, Samsung, and LG for Blu-ray. Never underestimate a good brand name. Why? Because with brands comes a consumer's recognition of trust, durability, dependability, and quality. Venturer? (Who?) Otherwise, I think we'd all be owning Venturer products if electronics were soley based on the price variable that HD DVD proponents seem so keen on.
Likewise, it it any wonder why the iPod continues to dominate the mp3 player market? Why isn't cheaper players from SanDisk, Xactix, and others not just pounding Apple into the ground since their players are significantly cheaper?
Great point Cam'ron, let's hope those who are cheerleading for HD DVD here can start to see beyond the price paradigm.
My local Costco has Sony Blu-Ray player for $429 next to $229 Toshiba HD-DVD player, and customers will soon see $149-$199 Venturer HD-DVD player during Holidays.
You see, branding becomes a prefered choice when the price range is similar..... like Toshiba vs. Venturer. Some may choose Toshiba over the Venturer, but for those wanting to test out the new technology, $149-$199 solution may be good enough for next 6 months trial...... then get replaced with quality branded product. I'm sure many won't mind having cheap HD-DVD players at home in the second room. But when someone has to pay $300 more which is more than double........ this becomes tougher trade off.
Also, $149-$199 isn't a terrible cost to become neutral supporter of the format. With Paramount supporting HD-DVD exclusively, there are now more HD-DVD exclusive titles than for Blu-Ray. I remember someone saying something about content being everything not so long ago.
Yup and you'll still be on the sidelines living vicariously through those who have actually supported their format.
Whatever helps you sleep at night, trying to ignore the Blu-ray sales domination, despite your fallacy of price trumps all.
Speaking of price trumping all, hmm, I wonder why total sales look like this...
That's called getting owned...no matter how you try and spin it and conjure up fallacies of price, Blu-ray is winning this war handily, and will continue to do so with the majority backing of the industry.
Ok let me explain the dialectic and how it matters. The original argument was that consumers don't want brands that are "junk" (your comments) Marzetta7 then came in and said
I then linked to a one of many sites that how that Vizio , a company that no one knew about 5 years ago, was the number 1 LCD TV supplier in Q2 of this year. This seems to refute at the least Marzetta7's comments. Vizio isn't "junk" but it certainly isn't going to match a Sony Bravia or Panasonic LCD. However the "take home point" here is that price is indeed more of a factor than name brand which is why we have Wal*Mart, Target and Costco. Enthusiasts buy product from the old hegemony but Joe 6-Pack is fine with the Olevia or Vizio TV as the numbers back this up.
The numbers back this up? Again, from one quarter? Talk about your selective picking of data.
Again, I'll repeat this then, if "your numbers" back this up, that price trumps all, then why isn't SanDisk or Creative not owning the MP3 player hardware market? Hmm?...C'mon, say it with me...brand...among other things as well that contribute to a successful format. Because price in this equation sure as heck ain't doing it as the iPod has been and is known to be more expensive than most players out there. So, does this pretty much refute your fallacy? I think so, as there are many more examples of this, where price certainly doesn't equate the end all beat all variable.
Price is important don't get me wrong, and I know it is the only argument HD DVD proponents have these days, but give me a break, to say it trumps all? I think your reachin there bub.
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http://www.tech.co.uk/home-entertain...leid=438219833
Panasonic has made clear its stance in the high-definition war. "Blu-Ray will succeed to become the predominant high-definition format, be certain," Joachim Reinhart, chief operating officer and president of Panasonic Europe, told journalists at a press conference at IFA 2007 in Berlin this afternoon.
Earlier Reinhart had explained the new ethos within the company - how people are going to "live in high definition", with everything in their home. He's not just talking about consumer electronics, but white goods and other appliances too - all connected up to a wireless network.
The main component of such a home network will be a full high-definition TV, and Panasonic today added five to its Viera range.
The full Viera line-up of full-HD plasma and LCD TVs now includes 65-inch (PZ/PY700 series), 58-inch (PZ/PY700 series), 50-inch (PZ/PY70 series) and 42-inch (PZ/PY70 series) plasma TVs, and a 37-inch (LZD/LZ70 series) LCD TV.
Hook up all your HD devices
Panasonic said these models feature higher-quality reproduction of fast action scenes and render brilliant images with outstanding precision and natural, vivid colours. Various new concepts have been introduced, including the Viera Link function, which hooks up all your HD devices - from camcorders to monitors to your TV - and SDHC networking slots to make viewing movies easier.
The new Panasonic Viera full-HD plasma displays offers a 100,000-hour lifetime, marking a new standard for flat-panel TVs in line with Panasonic new eco thinking. It is also aiming to reduce the materials used to make its products, as well as increase energy efficiency.
says the Panny Exec. What a goofball. I like Panasonic products but they don't make anything that I can't get elsewhere in equivalent quality. Since they don't own studios the only thing they can do is sell hardware and nothing Panasonic does is going to have the impact of say a Paramount going exclusive.
Next!
Would Pioneer, Panny, Sony, Sammy, Sharp, Philips, and Denon standalone blu-ray players all together sell more than............ a cheap sub $200 no name brand HD-DVD player this holiday?.......
http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/news/show/905
http://www.venturer.com/news-details.aspx?id=15
This would be interesting to watch.
A million dollar question is....
Would Pioneer, Panny, Sony, Sammy, Sharp, Philips, and Denon standalone blu-ray players all together sell more than............ a cheap sub $200 no name brand HD-DVD player this holiday?.......
http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/news/show/905
http://www.venturer.com/news-details.aspx?id=15
This would be interesting to watch.
Does it do HDi ?
A million dollar question is....
Would Pioneer, Panny, Sony, Sammy, Sharp, Philips, and Denon standalone blu-ray players all together sell more than............ a cheap sub $200 no name brand HD-DVD player this holiday?.......
http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/news/show/905
http://www.venturer.com/news-details.aspx?id=15
This would be interesting to watch.
Yes. Do you hear Venturer having great sale figures with DVD or anything else? Most people know better than to buy junk.
Yes. Do you hear Venturer having great sale figures with DVD or anything else? Most people know better than to buy junk.
Spot on Cam'ron. My thoughts exactly. While it is a good thing that HD DVD has reached the $199 price point, I find it hard to believe that a brand like Venturer will be trumping brands like Sony, Panasonic, Philips, Sharp, Pioneer, Samsung, and LG for Blu-ray. Never underestimate a good brand name. Why? Because with brands comes a consumer's recognition of trust, durability, dependability, and quality. Venturer? (Who?) Otherwise, I think we'd all be owning Venturer products if electronics were soley based on the price variable that HD DVD proponents seem so keen on.
Likewise, it it any wonder why the iPod continues to dominate the mp3 player market? Why isn't cheaper players from SanDisk, Xactix, and others not just pounding Apple into the ground since their players are significantly cheaper?
Great point Cam'ron, let's hope those who are cheerleading for HD DVD here can start to see beyond the price paradigm.
NOPE
http://news.com.com/8301-10784_3-9762362-7.html
For all the clout and brand-recognition that accompanies names like Sony and Samsung, it was Vizio, a virtual unknown a year ago, that topped all LCD TV makers in the second quarter of this year.
Vizio sold more LCD than all of them. Price trumps all people.
Nowadays, people can get any porn they want over the Internet, and often free. Nobody desperately needs it in HD and very few want to pay $30 and up for a single disk of it.
That also applies to movies that are not porn. One can get almost any movie in reasonable to excellent quality over the internet today. You don't have to pay 30$ for a single disk of it. Of course, most of these "possibilities" are illegal or very close to being illegal, still there is a considerable amount of people who download their movies and do not buy a DVD. With newer and better video encoding, HD quality movies will very soon be appearing on P2P networks all over the world and once again, neither HD-DVD nor Blue-Ray is going to matter. From that perspective, the deciding factor could very well be data storage use. Ie which format is going to store more information more quickly and at a lower cost.
Why do you think CD-R and DVD-R (+ or - standard, doesn't really matter) are today ruling the recordable disk market and not the superior, yet drastically more expensive DVD-RAM?
So then out of Panasonic, Samsung, LG, Sony and others are any of these companies leading the sales of LCD TV?
NOPE
http://news.com.com/8301-10784_3-9762362-7.html
Vizio sold more LCD than all of them. Price trumps all people.
From the reviews I read, they put decent panels in their displays (for that amount you pay). But, their customer service is terrible, probably cut costs their to keep display prices down. So, will there be repeat buyers? Not the way the big names have repeat buyers.
PS. I am not sure what Vizio has to do with Venturer, the Vizio displays are apparently alright, but I have never seen a quality product from Venturer.
This is a quote from a purchasers from that link you gave: "The TV died on me 7 months after purchase. Customer service did not even answer the phone. They returned a call 36 hours later to say that it will take a tech 3 weeks to come see it. "
Sounds like cheap is the way to go. /Sarcasm.
So then out of Panasonic, Samsung, LG, Sony and others are any of these companies leading the sales of LCD TV?
NOPE
http://news.com.com/8301-10784_3-9762362-7.html
Vizio sold more LCD than all of them. Price trumps all people.
You truly are delusional. I'm happy for Vizio, as I believe they are an American company, good for them, really.
However, you need to know that PRICE does NOT trump all. It took Vizio, 3 years to become the top LCD seller FOR A QUARTER. Let me repeat that FOR A QUARTER. You think HD DVD has got three years with the likes of Venturer?
If you bothered to look into it more, you'd find that the leader every quarter changes quite frequently. So your point is rather hollow, much like many of you HD DVD chest thumping arguments. BTW, Sharp had dominated for like 10 quarters in a row, but then gave way to Samsung, and others. Besides that, mostly the same players are up there, and again the majority of them are Blu-ray backers.
Nielsen/VideoScan Numbers ending August 26th
http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/ques...0207/index.php
WE: BD-68% HDD-32% YTD: BD-67% HDD-33% SI: BD-61% HDD-39%
Honestly, I can't wait until Fox starts releasing their movies, I think Blu-ray will be in the upper 70% range with their addition. Maybe in the 80% range if Warner gets off their keister.
From the reviews I read, they put decent panels in their displays (for that amount you pay). But, their customer service is terrible, probably cut costs their to keep display prices down. So, will there be repeat buyers? Not the way the big names have repeat buyers.
PS. I am not sure what Vizio has to do with Venturer, the Vizio displays are apparently alright, but I have never seen a quality product from Venturer.
This is a quote from a purchasers from that link you gave: "The TV died on me 7 months after purchase. Customer service did not even answer the phone. They returned a call 36 hours later to say that it will take a tech 3 weeks to come see it. "
Sounds like cheap is the way to go. /Sarcasm.
Ok let me explain the dialectic and how it matters. The original argument was that consumers don't want brands that are "junk" (your comments) Marzetta7 then came in and said
I find it hard to believe that a brand like Venturer will be trumping brands like Sony, Panasonic, Philips, Sharp, Pioneer, Samsung, and LG for Blu-ray. Never underestimate a good brand name. Why? Because with brands comes a consumer's recognition of trust, durability, dependability, and quality. Venturer? (Who?)
I then linked to a one of many sites that how that Vizio , a company that no one knew about 5 years ago, was the number 1 LCD TV supplier in Q2 of this year. This seems to refute at the least Marzetta7's comments. Vizio isn't "junk" but it certainly isn't going to match a Sony Bravia or Panasonic LCD. However the "take home point" here is that price is indeed more of a factor than name brand which is why we have Wal*Mart, Target and Costco. Enthusiasts buy product from the old hegemony but Joe 6-Pack is fine with the Olevia or Vizio TV as the numbers back this up.
You truly are delusional. I'm happy for Vizio, as I believe they are an American company, good for them, really.
However, you need to know that PRICE does NOT trump all. It took Vizio, 3 years to become the top LCD seller FOR A QUARTER. Let me repeat that FOR A QUARTER. You think HD DVD has got three years with the likes of Venturer?
If you bothered to look into it more, you'd find that the leader every quarter changes quite frequently. So your point is rather hollow, much like many of you HD DVD chest thumping arguments. BTW, Sharp had dominated for like 10 quarters in a row, but then gave way to Samsung, and others. Besides that, mostly the same players are up there, and again the majority of them are Blu-ray backers.
My post rendered the tripe you wanted to push about "name brands" as moot. You're frantically trying to prove your point with old stale data. If a no name company can come from nowhere and take the checkered flag from the industry stalwarts then
a. They have a phenomenal product
b. They have an inexpensive product and good distribution.
I think we know the answer here. I am enjoying you flail away in your rebuttal though. Keep it coming.
Hey guys, despite the PRICE trumps all fallacy, look HD DVD took yet a nother thumping this week...
Nielsen/VideoScan Numbers ending August 26th
http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/ques...0207/index.php
WE: BD-68% HDD-32% YTD: BD-67% HDD-33% SI: BD-61% HDD-39%
Honestly, I can't wait until Fox starts releasing their movies, I think Blu-ray will be in the upper 70% range with their addition. Maybe in the 80% range if Warner gets off their keister.
Yup and you'll still be on the sidelines living vicariously through those who have actually supported their format.
Spot on Cam'ron. My thoughts exactly. While it is a good thing that HD DVD has reached the $199 price point, I find it hard to believe that a brand like Venturer will be trumping brands like Sony, Panasonic, Philips, Sharp, Pioneer, Samsung, and LG for Blu-ray. Never underestimate a good brand name. Why? Because with brands comes a consumer's recognition of trust, durability, dependability, and quality. Venturer? (Who?) Otherwise, I think we'd all be owning Venturer products if electronics were soley based on the price variable that HD DVD proponents seem so keen on.
Likewise, it it any wonder why the iPod continues to dominate the mp3 player market? Why isn't cheaper players from SanDisk, Xactix, and others not just pounding Apple into the ground since their players are significantly cheaper?
Great point Cam'ron, let's hope those who are cheerleading for HD DVD here can start to see beyond the price paradigm.
My local Costco has Sony Blu-Ray player for $429 next to $229 Toshiba HD-DVD player, and customers will soon see $149-$199 Venturer HD-DVD player during Holidays.
You see, branding becomes a prefered choice when the price range is similar..... like Toshiba vs. Venturer. Some may choose Toshiba over the Venturer, but for those wanting to test out the new technology, $149-$199 solution may be good enough for next 6 months trial...... then get replaced with quality branded product. I'm sure many won't mind having cheap HD-DVD players at home in the second room. But when someone has to pay $300 more which is more than double........ this becomes tougher trade off.
Also, $149-$199 isn't a terrible cost to become neutral supporter of the format. With Paramount supporting HD-DVD exclusively, there are now more HD-DVD exclusive titles than for Blu-Ray. I remember someone saying something about content being everything not so long ago.
Yes. Do you hear Venturer having great sale figures with DVD or anything else? Most people know better than to buy junk.
Venturer is Canadian. Do not make us angry. You won't like us when we're angry.
Yup and you'll still be on the sidelines living vicariously through those who have actually supported their format.
Whatever helps you sleep at night, trying to ignore the Blu-ray sales domination, despite your fallacy of price trumps all.
Speaking of price trumping all, hmm, I wonder why total sales look like this...
That's called getting owned...no matter how you try and spin it and conjure up fallacies of price, Blu-ray is winning this war handily, and will continue to do so with the majority backing of the industry.
Ok let me explain the dialectic and how it matters. The original argument was that consumers don't want brands that are "junk" (your comments) Marzetta7 then came in and said
I then linked to a one of many sites that how that Vizio , a company that no one knew about 5 years ago, was the number 1 LCD TV supplier in Q2 of this year. This seems to refute at the least Marzetta7's comments. Vizio isn't "junk" but it certainly isn't going to match a Sony Bravia or Panasonic LCD. However the "take home point" here is that price is indeed more of a factor than name brand which is why we have Wal*Mart, Target and Costco. Enthusiasts buy product from the old hegemony but Joe 6-Pack is fine with the Olevia or Vizio TV as the numbers back this up.
The numbers back this up? Again, from one quarter? Talk about your selective picking of data.
Again, I'll repeat this then, if "your numbers" back this up, that price trumps all, then why isn't SanDisk or Creative not owning the MP3 player hardware market? Hmm?...C'mon, say it with me...brand...among other things as well that contribute to a successful format. Because price in this equation sure as heck ain't doing it as the iPod has been and is known to be more expensive than most players out there. So, does this pretty much refute your fallacy? I think so, as there are many more examples of this, where price certainly doesn't equate the end all beat all variable.
Price is important don't get me wrong, and I know it is the only argument HD DVD proponents have these days, but give me a break, to say it trumps all? I think your reachin there bub.