Not my problem, it's your limited thinking, look into PDF's/CDF's to get a clue! And read MY posts, if anything I'm in the Blu-Ray camp (purely for SL storage capacity as a burner, for me it's all about storage cost per GB, just like it's currently for SL DVD storage), yeah it's a pissing contest all right and right now you're doing all the PISSING!
From the sidelines I'd have to say franksargent did, but like everything else, it's just one opinion/ interpretation of the facts..
Was "my math" the point, or was this thread being a "pissing contest" the point, or ....
Ambigious statements don't help!
Now if "my math" was the point, then my point was; Do you look at future trends in a deterministic fashion or in a probabilistic fashion? BTW, that's a rhetorical question.
However, I'm really not pissing on anything when I'm asking for data that can be backed up. 10.4 Million 360s is all over the place and yet I can't find the numbers to support it. I've tabulated all the NPD data for sales in North America for both consoles since release and things just don't add up at all. The only reason it's an issue and why I was asking if anyone knew where to find the numbers is because we really could be seeing a case of the public not latching on to HD in the numbers that everyone is touting and not by an insignificant percentage either.
However, I'm really not pissing on anything when I'm asking for data that can be backed up. 10.4 Million 360s is all over the place and yet I can't find the numbers to support it. I've tabulated all the NPD data for sales in North America for both consoles since release and things just don't add up at all. The only reason it's an issue and why I was asking if anyone knew where to find the numbers is because we really could be seeing a case of the public not latching on to HD in the numbers that everyone is touting and not by an insignificant percentage either.
Like I said I got the number from a wiki link;
MS Keynote at CES where Robbie makes the "We've sold 10.4 million consoles in 37 countries." statement at 7:32PM (PST). That's all I know.
And yes, I too believe that a low overall HD adoption rate will lengthen the so called "format war" to the point that it's a moot issue, HD media doesn't gain significant traction to supplant/replace DVD media in the short/medium term. Or there could be no clear winner regardless of the HD adoption rate. Whatever, but I do feel that the HD adoption rate from DVD will be significantly slower than what occured with the DVD transition rate from VHS.
Here's another reactionary comment, make a substantive contribution to this thread, or please don't comment!
Now who missed the point initially, exactly? \
look man editing the post AFTER i have commented on it isnt cool.
your math didnt add up to your guess, thats ALL impointing out.
NOTHING personal, ok.
as to substantative contributions??
what quoteing a load of other websites? doing a load of guesswork? cos thats what i see a WHOLE load of here on this thread... from BOTH sides of the format war.
there seem to be very few people with "nothing to loose" bangin on about how "THEIR" choice of format will be this and that and the other.
the bottom line is no-one knows... as i say give it 6 months into 2007 and it MAY be clearer.
you wanna guess or wish then thats fine, i have zero problem with that.
but to back up a wish or guess with math that dont add up...? what you cant let me point that out?
by your estimation of 1 million hardware HD-DVD units sold by years end |M$ would have to sell 75thousand units or more PER month not 50 thousand.
if you have a problem with me correcting you then i think you need to re-read your post and chill a little.
look man editing the post AFTER i have commented on it isnt cool.
your math didnt add up to your guess, thats ALL impointing out.
NOTHING personal, ok.
as to substantative contributions??
what quoteing a load of other websites? doing a load of guesswork? cos thats what i see a WHOLE load of here on this thread... from BOTH sides of the format war.
there seem to be very few people with "nothing to loose" bangin on about how "THEIR" choice of format will be this and that and the other.
the bottom line is no-one knows... as i say give it 6 months into 2007 and it MAY be clearer.
you wanna guess or wish then thats fine, i have zero problem with that.
but to back up a wish or guess with math that dont add up...? what you cant let me point that out?
by your estimation of 1 million hardware HD-DVD units sold by years end |M$ would have to sell 75thousand units or more PER month not 50 thousand.
if you have a problem with me correcting you then i think you need to re-read your post and chill a little.
i will make no further comment on this.
but i WILL point out incorrect math.
Are you as dense as you appear to be in your posts? And I'm being serious here!
There were no math errors. Period, Get over it! Geez, I must be talking to a 5-year old, Really!
Like I said, look up probability theory, forecasting, then you might have a clue. Really!
Deterministic modelling or probabilistic modelling, I'm just doing what anyone else does in the forecasting business.
MS Keynote at CES where Robbie makes the "We've sold 10.4 million consoles in 37 countries." statement at 7:32PM (PST). That's all I know.
And yes, I too believe that a low overall HD adoption rate will lengthen the so called "format war" to the point that it's a moot issue, HD media doesn't gain significant traction to supplant/replace DVD media in the short/medium term. Or there could be no clear winner regardless of the HD adoption rate. Whatever, but I do feel that the HD adoption rate from DVD will be significantly slower than what occured with the DVD transition rate from VHS.
Yes, and we all know how Robbie and other Microshafties love to have a slip of the tongue as many other news outlets stated "shipped..."
All I'm stating here is that Microsoft and its supporters keep spewing this 10.4 million number when in reality the number of ACTUAL SALES TO THE CONSUMER, is most likely a lot less. Furthermore, if we are to put crediblility in this 10.4 million number then we ought to put crediblility in the PS3s 2 million number in 2 months,...
At this rate, Sony will "sell" (but more accurately ship) in excess 12 million consoles by the end of the year. 12 million Blu-ray players in homes, can't say the same penetration can come even close for HD DVD with 50,000 or so add-ons being sold (or shipped?) each month. There is a reason for add-ons being historically failures, people don't naturally just go and get them when they've already plunked down $400 on a game console in the 360.
Who knows for sure what actual sales are really though, time will tell the tale.
All I'm stating here is that Microsoft and its supporters keep spewing this 10.4 million number when in reality the number of ACTUAL SALES TO THE CONSUMER, is most likely a lot less. Furthermore, if we are to put crediblility in this 10.4 million number then we ought to put crediblility in the PS3s 2 million number in 2 months,...
At this rate, Sony will "sell" (but more accurately ship) in excess 12 million consoles by the end of the year. 12 million Blu-ray players in homes, can't say the same penetration can come even close for HD DVD with 50,000 or so add-ons being sold (or shipped?) each month. There is a reason for add-ons being historically failures, people don't naturally just go and get them when they've already plunked down $400 on a game console in the 360.
Who knows for sure what actual sales are really though, time will tell the tale.
I have no idea what the actual number of shipped units MS has been versus the number in people's homes. My ONLY point was shipped units, I don't trust market estimates with a high degree of confidence. Sales figures from HD media sales would be the most accurate. Any yes I'm sure Sony will sell alot of PS3's, I never said they wouldn't.
But perhaps that's one point I'd like to make about the Xbox HD-DVD add-on, this is a "format war" and what MS might do to push their chosen format? Perhaps lower the price to ~$150 or ~$100 even, just to move product? It would depend on how desperate they get and/or how well the add-on is selling. How many Blu-Ray titles versus HD-DVD titles are out there. A whole host of factors, but I'll bet you that MS has a target for add-ons this year, and some incentives to meet that target. That is all.
I have no idea what the actual number of shipped units MS has been versus the number in people's homes. My ONLY point was shipped units, I don't trust market estimates with a high degree of confidence. Sales figures from HD media sales would be the most accurate. Any yes I'm sure Sony will sell alot of PS3's, I never said they wouldn't.
But perhaps that's one point I'd like to make about the Xbox HD-DVD add-on, this is a "format war" and what MS might do to push their chosen format? Perhaps lower the price to ~$150 or ~$100 even, just to move product? It would depend on how desperate they get and/or how well the add-on is selling. How many Blu-Ray titles versus HD-DVD titles are out there. A whole host of factors, but I'll bet you that MS has a target for add-ons this year, and some incentives to meet that target. That is all.
Fair enough. However, if we see any drop in price of the HD DVD add-on, you can pretty much guarantee that Sony will lower the price of the PS3 to counter, still solidifying the convenience of a next gen drive being built in rather than being an add-on.
Also, currently the number of Blu-ray vs HD DVD titles is about 137 to 154 respectively...
However, if you take a look at what is to be released in the coming months, it is quite easy to see Blu-ray will be pulling Far...Far Away [insert Shrek accent here] by March...
Fair enough. However, if we see any drop in price of the HD DVD add-on, you can pretty much guarantee that Sony will lower the price of the PS3 to counter, still solidifying the convenience of a next gen drive being built in rather than being an add-on.
Also, currently the number of Blu-ray vs HD DVD titles is about 137 to 154 respectively...
However, if you take a look at what is to be released in the coming months, it is quite easy to see Blu-ray will be pulling Far...Far Away [insert Shrek accent here] by March...
I don't disagree with you one bit, heck I'd LOVE a price war, we the consumer win that war!
And yes to the Blu-Ray releases versus HD-DVD releases, that will fall in Blu-Ray's favor, IMHO.
But IMHO the best way for HD-DVD to fight back is to lower their player prices, and that's what I think they'll do.
I like Blu-Ray as a storage medium, and I think the best price point will be in SL HD media as it is with SL DVD blanks once they start to ship in volume, and there Blu-Ray has a decided advantage 25GB versus 15GB.
I don't much care for HD players and media at this point in time, but I realize that which format gains an advantage in HD player/ROM media sales will to a large degree dictate burner/blank media unit prices ($/GB).
merz is the typical sony guy, he keeps posting about things that are GOING to happen, things that are GOING to be released, but never anything about the NOW.
its typical sony. talk about what is coming out 2 years from now lmao, like they did by showing off a trailer for the new final fantasy game in japan that isn't coming out for another 24 or so months.
look at the "potential" they say, constantly we hear about it but people for the most part are starting to catch on...
they promise promise promise but then never deliver.
While I'm on the subject of factual information, does anyone have any links to the number of HDTVs that are in peoples' homes or at least an estimate? I've been seeing tons of articles quoting NPD numbers but then those numbers are different from each other. The most consistent thing I have found is that in Novemeber and December 2005, 1.4 million units were sold. From the same time period though this holiday season Microsoft's 360 sold 4.5 million units, and Sony's PS3 sold almost 700k, it seems to me that the consoles are outselling or are very close to outselling the HDTVs that should be prerequisites for their purchase.
While I'm on the subject of factual information, does anyone have any links to the number of HDTVs that are in peoples' homes or at least an estimate? I've been seeing tons of articles quoting NPD numbers but then those numbers are different from each other. The most consistent thing I have found is that in Novemeber and December 2005, 1.4 million units were sold. From the same time period though this holiday season Microsoft's 360 sold 4.5 million units, and Sony's PS3 sold almost 700k, it seems to me that the consoles are outselling or are very close to outselling the HDTVs that should be prerequisites for their purchase.
Well... I don't have any figures on the HDTV's, but one of the big movement you can see for yourself is that when you go to most Costco, TV section is the only sectiong growing and all you see there is HDTV's at very affordable prices... Many DLP's over 55" is less than $2k. Some of them even goes near $1k mark. I'm not saying that everyone will go out and buy HDTV's this year, but when anyone is looking into getting a new TV, it will most definitely will be a HDTV. I'm not sure how big the TV consumer market is, but HDTV will definitely out sell SDTV this year in 25+ " category, and this is my conjecture only.(Educated one at that)
Was "my math" the point, or was this thread being a "pissing contest" the point, or ....
Ambigious statements don't help!
Now if "my math" was the point, then my point was; Do you look at future trends in a deterministic fashion or in a probabilistic fashion? BTW, that's a rhetorical question.
The point was that he was trying to take the pissing contest aspect out of the convo and steer us back to more civil discussion. You ran the opposite direction with it. Just remember, winning an argument on the internet is like winning a gold medal in the special olympics. Yes, you win, but you're still retarded.
Well... I don't have any figures on the HDTV's, but one of the big movement you can see for yourself is that when you go to most Costco, TV section is the only sectiong growing and all you see there is HDTV's at very affordable prices... Many DLP's over 55" is less than $2k. Some of them even goes near $1k mark. I'm not saying that everyone will go out and buy HDTV's this year, but when anyone is looking into getting a new TV, it will most definitely will be a HDTV. I'm not sure how big the TV consumer market is, but HDTV will definitely out sell SDTV this year in 25+ " category, and this is my conjecture only.(Educated one at that)
I think the BIG selling points of HDTV's are it's screen size and their price points, as you mentioned. The 30" to 50" screen sizes are very price competitive, certainly WRT 36" CRT's. So one would naturally think that most, if not all, new TV purchases are HDTV's in that size range.
OTOH, below 28" (or so) CRT's are really cheap, and if your just into DVD viewing, and don't care about screen size or are price conscious, you'll probably just get the cheap CRT. And then of course the segment of the population that won't replace their existing CRT until it goes out, and even then you can get a cheap CRT in the want ads or a pawn shop, considering the number of people who have upgraded their CRT's to HDTV's. As we head towards February 2009, I would almost think that used CRT's will be a dime a dozen, so there will always be a market segment that will prefer cheap above all else.
And that's why it took so long for DVD's to catch on, J6P'ers made do with what thay had until it gave out or got really cheap. Most people that post in these threads aren't J6P'ers IMHO.
The point was that he was trying to take the pissing contest aspect out of the convo and steer us back to more civil discussion. You ran the opposite direction with it. Just remember, winning an argument on the internet is like winning a gold medal in the special olympics. Yes, you win, but you're still retarded.
I didn't get into the whole "math challenged" aspect with my speculative post, the other person did, taking a set of numbers (their numbers BTW not mine) too literally assuming that was the only answer, and offered up such numbers as PROVING the future.
And quite frankly in a taunting sort of way. And if you've read any of my posts in this thread (except for the first 2-3 sardonic ones in last year's thread) I've always tried to maintain as even a hand in my posts given my own personal bias towards Blu-Ray.
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Not my problem, it's your limited thinking, look into PDF's/CDF's to get a clue! And read MY posts, if anything I'm in the Blu-Ray camp (purely for SL storage capacity as a burner, for me it's all about storage cost per GB, just like it's currently for SL DVD storage), yeah it's a pissing contest all right and right now you're doing all the PISSING!
reactioary and missing the point.... nice!
reactioary and missing the point.... nice!
Here's another reactionary comment, make a substantive contribution to this thread, or please don't comment!
Now who missed the point initially, exactly?
From the sidelines I'd have to say franksargent did, but like everything else, it's just one opinion/ interpretation of the facts..
Was "my math" the point, or was this thread being a "pissing contest" the point, or ....
Ambigious statements don't help!
Now if "my math" was the point, then my point was; Do you look at future trends in a deterministic fashion or in a probabilistic fashion? BTW, that's a rhetorical question.
However, I'm really not pissing on anything when I'm asking for data that can be backed up. 10.4 Million 360s is all over the place and yet I can't find the numbers to support it. I've tabulated all the NPD data for sales in North America for both consoles since release and things just don't add up at all. The only reason it's an issue and why I was asking if anyone knew where to find the numbers is because we really could be seeing a case of the public not latching on to HD in the numbers that everyone is touting and not by an insignificant percentage either.
Yes, I'm in the Blu-ray camp.
However, I'm really not pissing on anything when I'm asking for data that can be backed up. 10.4 Million 360s is all over the place and yet I can't find the numbers to support it. I've tabulated all the NPD data for sales in North America for both consoles since release and things just don't add up at all. The only reason it's an issue and why I was asking if anyone knew where to find the numbers is because we really could be seeing a case of the public not latching on to HD in the numbers that everyone is touting and not by an insignificant percentage either.
Like I said I got the number from a wiki link;
MS Keynote at CES where Robbie makes the "We've sold 10.4 million consoles in 37 countries." statement at 7:32PM (PST). That's all I know.
And yes, I too believe that a low overall HD adoption rate will lengthen the so called "format war" to the point that it's a moot issue, HD media doesn't gain significant traction to supplant/replace DVD media in the short/medium term. Or there could be no clear winner regardless of the HD adoption rate. Whatever, but I do feel that the HD adoption rate from DVD will be significantly slower than what occured with the DVD transition rate from VHS.
Here's another reactionary comment, make a substantive contribution to this thread, or please don't comment!
Now who missed the point initially, exactly?
look man editing the post AFTER i have commented on it isnt cool.
your math didnt add up to your guess, thats ALL impointing out.
NOTHING personal, ok.
as to substantative contributions??
what quoteing a load of other websites? doing a load of guesswork? cos thats what i see a WHOLE load of here on this thread... from BOTH sides of the format war.
there seem to be very few people with "nothing to loose" bangin on about how "THEIR" choice of format will be this and that and the other.
the bottom line is no-one knows... as i say give it 6 months into 2007 and it MAY be clearer.
you wanna guess or wish then thats fine, i have zero problem with that.
but to back up a wish or guess with math that dont add up...? what you cant let me point that out?
by your estimation of 1 million hardware HD-DVD units sold by years end |M$ would have to sell 75thousand units or more PER month not 50 thousand.
if you have a problem with me correcting you then i think you need to re-read your post and chill a little.
i will make no further comment on this.
but i WILL point out incorrect math.
look man editing the post AFTER i have commented on it isnt cool.
your math didnt add up to your guess, thats ALL impointing out.
NOTHING personal, ok.
as to substantative contributions??
what quoteing a load of other websites? doing a load of guesswork? cos thats what i see a WHOLE load of here on this thread... from BOTH sides of the format war.
there seem to be very few people with "nothing to loose" bangin on about how "THEIR" choice of format will be this and that and the other.
the bottom line is no-one knows... as i say give it 6 months into 2007 and it MAY be clearer.
you wanna guess or wish then thats fine, i have zero problem with that.
but to back up a wish or guess with math that dont add up...? what you cant let me point that out?
by your estimation of 1 million hardware HD-DVD units sold by years end |M$ would have to sell 75thousand units or more PER month not 50 thousand.
if you have a problem with me correcting you then i think you need to re-read your post and chill a little.
i will make no further comment on this.
but i WILL point out incorrect math.
Are you as dense as you appear to be in your posts? And I'm being serious here!
There were no math errors. Period, Get over it! Geez, I must be talking to a 5-year old, Really!
Like I said, look up probability theory, forecasting, then you might have a clue. Really!
Deterministic modelling or probabilistic modelling, I'm just doing what anyone else does in the forecasting business.
And TIA for not responding to this post!
Like I said I got the number from a wiki link;
MS Keynote at CES where Robbie makes the "We've sold 10.4 million consoles in 37 countries." statement at 7:32PM (PST). That's all I know.
And yes, I too believe that a low overall HD adoption rate will lengthen the so called "format war" to the point that it's a moot issue, HD media doesn't gain significant traction to supplant/replace DVD media in the short/medium term. Or there could be no clear winner regardless of the HD adoption rate. Whatever, but I do feel that the HD adoption rate from DVD will be significantly slower than what occured with the DVD transition rate from VHS.
Yes, and we all know how Robbie and other Microshafties love to have a slip of the tongue as many other news outlets stated "shipped..."
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3156243
http://yahoo.reuters.com/news/articl...mktNews&rpc=44
http://news.cnet.co.uk/gamesgear/0,3...9285928,00.htm
http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/12/13/mi...llion_xbox360/
All I'm stating here is that Microsoft and its supporters keep spewing this 10.4 million number when in reality the number of ACTUAL SALES TO THE CONSUMER, is most likely a lot less. Furthermore, if we are to put crediblility in this 10.4 million number then we ought to put crediblility in the PS3s 2 million number in 2 months,...
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...s/16470048.htm
At this rate, Sony will "sell" (but more accurately ship) in excess 12 million consoles by the end of the year. 12 million Blu-ray players in homes, can't say the same penetration can come even close for HD DVD with 50,000 or so add-ons being sold (or shipped?) each month. There is a reason for add-ons being historically failures, people don't naturally just go and get them when they've already plunked down $400 on a game console in the 360.
Who knows for sure what actual sales are really though, time will tell the tale.
Are you as dense as you appear to be in your posts? And I'm being serious here!
There were no math errors. Period, Get over it! Geez, I must be talking to a 5-year old, Really!
Like I said, look up probability theory, forecasting, then you might have a clue. Really!
Deterministic modelling or probabilistic modelling, I'm just doing what anyone else does in the forecasting business.
And TIA for not responding to this post!
thanks for the personal insults
Yes, and we all know how Robbie and other Microshafties love to have a slip of the tongue as many other news outlets stated "shipped..."
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3156243
http://yahoo.reuters.com/news/articl...mktNews&rpc=44
http://news.cnet.co.uk/gamesgear/0,3...9285928,00.htm
http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/12/13/mi...llion_xbox360/
All I'm stating here is that Microsoft and its supporters keep spewing this 10.4 million number when in reality the number of ACTUAL SALES TO THE CONSUMER, is most likely a lot less. Furthermore, if we are to put crediblility in this 10.4 million number then we ought to put crediblility in the PS3s 2 million number in 2 months,...
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...s/16470048.htm
At this rate, Sony will "sell" (but more accurately ship) in excess 12 million consoles by the end of the year. 12 million Blu-ray players in homes, can't say the same penetration can come even close for HD DVD with 50,000 or so add-ons being sold (or shipped?) each month. There is a reason for add-ons being historically failures, people don't naturally just go and get them when they've already plunked down $400 on a game console in the 360.
Who knows for sure what actual sales are really though, time will tell the tale.
I have no idea what the actual number of shipped units MS has been versus the number in people's homes. My ONLY point was shipped units, I don't trust market estimates with a high degree of confidence. Sales figures from HD media sales would be the most accurate. Any yes I'm sure Sony will sell alot of PS3's, I never said they wouldn't.
But perhaps that's one point I'd like to make about the Xbox HD-DVD add-on, this is a "format war" and what MS might do to push their chosen format? Perhaps lower the price to ~$150 or ~$100 even, just to move product? It would depend on how desperate they get and/or how well the add-on is selling. How many Blu-Ray titles versus HD-DVD titles are out there. A whole host of factors, but I'll bet you that MS has a target for add-ons this year, and some incentives to meet that target. That is all.
thanks for the personal insults
Your VERY welcome!
BTW, 1,000,000 divided by 12 = 83,333 and a third NOT 75K!
I have no idea what the actual number of shipped units MS has been versus the number in people's homes. My ONLY point was shipped units, I don't trust market estimates with a high degree of confidence. Sales figures from HD media sales would be the most accurate. Any yes I'm sure Sony will sell alot of PS3's, I never said they wouldn't.
But perhaps that's one point I'd like to make about the Xbox HD-DVD add-on, this is a "format war" and what MS might do to push their chosen format? Perhaps lower the price to ~$150 or ~$100 even, just to move product? It would depend on how desperate they get and/or how well the add-on is selling. How many Blu-Ray titles versus HD-DVD titles are out there. A whole host of factors, but I'll bet you that MS has a target for add-ons this year, and some incentives to meet that target. That is all.
Fair enough. However, if we see any drop in price of the HD DVD add-on, you can pretty much guarantee that Sony will lower the price of the PS3 to counter, still solidifying the convenience of a next gen drive being built in rather than being an add-on.
Also, currently the number of Blu-ray vs HD DVD titles is about 137 to 154 respectively...
http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/15...ary-16th-2007/
However, if you take a look at what is to be released in the coming months, it is quite easy to see Blu-ray will be pulling Far...Far Away [insert Shrek accent here] by March...
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=4626
Disney/Buena Vista (US)
Ladder 49 (2/13)
Reign of Fire (2/13)
The Prestige (2/20)
Chicken Little (3/20)
Finding Neverland (3/20)
King Arthur: Director's Cut (4/3)
G.I. Jane (4/3)
Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl (May)
Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest (May)
Con Air (6/8)
Crimson Tide (6/8)
The Rock (6/8)
Cars (Summer)
The Recruit (Summer)
Open Range (Summer)
Remember the Titans (Fall)
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Eight Below (March)
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Enemy of the State (March)
Flightplan (March)
Gone in Sixty Seconds (March)
The Guardian (March)
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (March)
Pearl Harbor (March)
Scary Movie 4 (March)
Sky High (March)
Finding Neverland (March)
The Wild (March)
Dinosaur (April)
King Arthur: Director's Cut (April)
Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl (May)
Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest (May)
Bruce Almighty (June)
Con Air (June)
Crimson Tide (June)
The Rock (June)
Cars (June)
Air Force One (Summer)
Reign of Fire (Summer)
Wild Hogs (Summer).
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Face/Off (March)
Chicken Little (April)
The Wild (April)
Scary Movie 4 (May)
Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl (May)
Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest (May)
The Guardian (June)
Cars (Summer)
Con Air (Summer)
Crimson Tide (Summer)
The Rock (Summer)
King Arthur: Director's Cut (Summer)
Air Force One (Summer)
Starship Troopers (Summer)
Fox (US)
Alien Vs Predator (1/23)
Men of Honor (1/23)
Courage Under Fire (1/23)
The Sentinel (2/13)
Entrapment (2/13)
Broken Arrow (2/13)
Phone Booth (2/13)
Planet of the Apes (2001) (2/13)
Chain Reaction (2/13)
The Marine (2/13)
Ice Age (3/13)
Dodgeball (3/13)
Commando (3/13)
From Hell (3/13)
The Fly (1986) (4/3)
Tristan & Isolde (4/3)
Me, Myself & Irene (4/3)
Dude, Where's My Car? (4/3)
Turistas (4/17)
Master & Commander (May)
Man on Fire (May)
Edward Scissorhands (May)
Predator (May)
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (May)
The Siege (May)
Independence Day (June)
I, Robot (June)
Cast Away (June)
Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer (Q4)
24 Season 1 (TBA)
Prison Break Season 1 (TBA)
Lionsgate (US)
Crank (1/9)
Employee of the Month (1/16)
SAW II (1/23)
SAW III (1/23)
American Psycho (2/6)
First Blood (2/6)
Reservoir Dogs (2/6)
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Fair enough. However, if we see any drop in price of the HD DVD add-on, you can pretty much guarantee that Sony will lower the price of the PS3 to counter, still solidifying the convenience of a next gen drive being built in rather than being an add-on.
Also, currently the number of Blu-ray vs HD DVD titles is about 137 to 154 respectively...
http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/15...ary-16th-2007/
However, if you take a look at what is to be released in the coming months, it is quite easy to see Blu-ray will be pulling Far...Far Away [insert Shrek accent here] by March...
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=4626
marzetta7,
I don't disagree with you one bit, heck I'd LOVE a price war, we the consumer win that war!
And yes to the Blu-Ray releases versus HD-DVD releases, that will fall in Blu-Ray's favor, IMHO.
But IMHO the best way for HD-DVD to fight back is to lower their player prices, and that's what I think they'll do.
I like Blu-Ray as a storage medium, and I think the best price point will be in SL HD media as it is with SL DVD blanks once they start to ship in volume, and there Blu-Ray has a decided advantage 25GB versus 15GB.
I don't much care for HD players and media at this point in time, but I realize that which format gains an advantage in HD player/ROM media sales will to a large degree dictate burner/blank media unit prices ($/GB).
its typical sony. talk about what is coming out 2 years from now lmao, like they did by showing off a trailer for the new final fantasy game in japan that isn't coming out for another 24 or so months.
look at the "potential" they say, constantly we hear about it but people for the most part are starting to catch on...
they promise promise promise but then never deliver.
While I'm on the subject of factual information, does anyone have any links to the number of HDTVs that are in peoples' homes or at least an estimate? I've been seeing tons of articles quoting NPD numbers but then those numbers are different from each other. The most consistent thing I have found is that in Novemeber and December 2005, 1.4 million units were sold. From the same time period though this holiday season Microsoft's 360 sold 4.5 million units, and Sony's PS3 sold almost 700k, it seems to me that the consoles are outselling or are very close to outselling the HDTVs that should be prerequisites for their purchase.
Well... I don't have any figures on the HDTV's, but one of the big movement you can see for yourself is that when you go to most Costco, TV section is the only sectiong growing and all you see there is HDTV's at very affordable prices... Many DLP's over 55" is less than $2k. Some of them even goes near $1k mark. I'm not saying that everyone will go out and buy HDTV's this year, but when anyone is looking into getting a new TV, it will most definitely will be a HDTV. I'm not sure how big the TV consumer market is, but HDTV will definitely out sell SDTV this year in 25+ " category, and this is my conjecture only.(Educated one at that)
Was "my math" the point, or was this thread being a "pissing contest" the point, or ....
Ambigious statements don't help!
Now if "my math" was the point, then my point was; Do you look at future trends in a deterministic fashion or in a probabilistic fashion? BTW, that's a rhetorical question.
The point was that he was trying to take the pissing contest aspect out of the convo and steer us back to more civil discussion. You ran the opposite direction with it. Just remember, winning an argument on the internet is like winning a gold medal in the special olympics. Yes, you win, but you're still retarded.
Well... I don't have any figures on the HDTV's, but one of the big movement you can see for yourself is that when you go to most Costco, TV section is the only sectiong growing and all you see there is HDTV's at very affordable prices... Many DLP's over 55" is less than $2k. Some of them even goes near $1k mark. I'm not saying that everyone will go out and buy HDTV's this year, but when anyone is looking into getting a new TV, it will most definitely will be a HDTV. I'm not sure how big the TV consumer market is, but HDTV will definitely out sell SDTV this year in 25+ " category, and this is my conjecture only.(Educated one at that)
I think the BIG
OTOH, below 28" (or so) CRT's are really cheap, and if your just into DVD viewing, and don't care about screen size or are price conscious, you'll probably just get the cheap CRT. And then of course the segment of the population that won't replace their existing CRT until it goes out, and even then you can get a cheap CRT in the want ads or a pawn shop, considering the number of people who have upgraded their CRT's to HDTV's. As we head towards February 2009, I would almost think that used CRT's will be a dime a dozen, so there will always be a market segment that will prefer cheap above all else.
And that's why it took so long for DVD's to catch on, J6P'ers made do with what thay had until it gave out or got really cheap. Most people that post in these threads aren't J6P'ers IMHO.
The point was that he was trying to take the pissing contest aspect out of the convo and steer us back to more civil discussion. You ran the opposite direction with it. Just remember, winning an argument on the internet is like winning a gold medal in the special olympics. Yes, you win, but you're still retarded.
I didn't get into the whole "math challenged" aspect with my speculative post, the other person did, taking a set of numbers (their numbers BTW not mine) too literally assuming that was the only answer, and offered up such numbers as PROVING the future.
And quite frankly
Signed,
The Tard