Blu-ray vs. HD DVD (2007)

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  • Reply 1681 of 4650
    When did the thread title change to "Lets insult eachother 2007"



    A few questions for anyone who wants to answer them :



    1. Will we see new Macs at WWDC?



    2. If we do will they have HD-DVD or Blu-ray drives in them?



    3. If Blu-ray what will that mean to you?



    4. If HD-DVD what will that mean to you?



    5. Is it likely that Steve will keep ignoring a next gen disc format choice till Jan and then make a decision?
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  • Reply 1682 of 4650
    pbpb Posts: 4,255member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Walter Slocombe View Post


    When did the thread title change to "Lets insult eachother 2007"



    A few questions for anyone who wants to answer them :



    1. Will we see new Macs at WWDC?



    2. If we do will they have HD-DVD or Blu-ray drives in them?



    3. If Blu-ray what will that mean to you?



    4. If HD-DVD what will that mean to you?



    5. Is it likely that Steve will keep ignoring a next gen disc format choice till Jan and then make a decision?



    OK, here is what I believe.



    1. Yes.



    2. No.



    3. HD movies on my screen.



    4. HD movies on my screen.



    5. Yes.
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  • Reply 1683 of 4650
    sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 18,069member
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    Listen, buddy, 99.9% of your entire posting history here is in the several incarnations of the blu-ray threads, and most of the handful outside of that are because blu-ray came up.



    You may be a die-hard blu ray enthusiast, but you're barely a member of this community. You're just using it as home base to run your patronizing advocacy, a tone you've maintained from day one.



    So how about you go easy on lecturing members on how they should comport themselves? If you took your attitude outside of this thread into general mac enthusiast discussion you would get your ass handed to you, I promise. Why not give it a shot?



    Let's invite him into PO. He'd be dead of a heart attack in seconds.
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  • Reply 1684 of 4650
    vineavinea Posts: 5,585member
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    Of course you don't, since you clearly could give a shit about the larger forum or its members. You're just here to keep smirking about how blu-ray rules and the poor HD-DVD fans must be gnashing their teeth or weeping at your every triumphant link, or some such tiresome nonsense.



    Its one thread in a single forum. Not hard to avoid it's "tiresome". There is zealotry on both sides and really its just popcorn fare rather than "debate".



    Vinea
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  • Reply 1685 of 4650
    marzetta7marzetta7 Posts: 1,323member
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    Originally Posted by addabox View Post


    Wilco's sort of a dick at times, that doesn't mean you're not.



    Call me whatever you like, it doesn't change the fact that wilco's posts have nothing to do with the subject at hand...much like your statement here. Grow up, and if you have any other insulting statements, just PM me.



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    Having the faintest interest in Apple computers, tech in general beyond Blu-ray, or posting in any thread other than this one?



    Faintest interest in Apple computers according to whom...you? I am very interested in Apple Computers, thus the reason I post here. I simply don't find much to debate about in regards to Apple's computers (in terms of software, processors, memory, etc.)...they are fantastic, end of story. In fact, I started this thread about 3 years ago with the interest of having Blu-ray drives in future versions of Mac Pros or other Apple offerings. The probability of having a Blu-ray drive in an Apple computer is exactly why I've been posting in these threads over the last couple of years, so please don't assume you know or can gauge MY interest in Apple computers.



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    Of course you don't, since you clearly could give a shit about the larger forum or its members. You're just here to keep smirking about how blu-ray rules and the poor HD-DVD fans must be gnashing their teeth or weeping at your every triumphant link, or some such tiresome nonsense.



    Should I post for the greater good there Mao? Sorry, I don't post to pander to both sides of the debate. I have an opinion and I give it. You don't like it, that's your problem, not mine.



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    "Typed text within a forum" is generally known as "writing". Are you contending that "writing" is incapable of conveying an attitude or specific tone, or being "patronizing"? That written English is immune from such failings? That would be, uh, wrong.



    It is writing? Wow, that's a breakthrough, you've must have stayed up all night realizing that one. What I'm contending is the misinterpretation of "writing." I state something in the form typed text on my computer, you interpret it as me "smirking about how Blu-ray rules and the poor HD DVD fans must be gnashing their teeth or weeping at your [my] every triumphant link," whereas the intention and MESSAGE of my post is to keep those here informed of Blu-ray and how it could possibly pertain to Apple computers. In other words, you interpret my message or posts as postering and being a dick, when in fact I'm just posting information. Sure it may be in response to others claims, but it is done so to refute any false claims and/or information that was given. It's called debating. You seem to want to make it personal, whereas, I simply choose to leave emotion aside and discuss...you got it...the topic at hand.



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    Or, you could stop being a dick. Lots of people hereabouts "debate (the various) subjects at hand" without the childish triumphalism and taunting that you bring to this thread-- something you might be aware of if you ever ventured out of this thread. Really not much interpretation involved.



    Whatever.



    Or you could not be so emotional, as it appears (as that is how I'm interpreting your text, but I very well could be wrong, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt), and realize that your conclusion of "childish triumphalism and taunting" is simply your interpretation. Some may have a similar interpretation, but my purpose of my messages is to give the relevant facts in regards to this format war. You may not like the facts, like Blu-ray outselling HD DVD by more than 2 to 1 for the last 5 months, or the fact that Blu-ray has 7 out of the 8 movie studios supporting it, or that Blu-ray has the majority of CE support and IT support, or that Blu-ray discs on average have been actually selling cheaper than their HD DVD counterparts (most likely due to the decision of HD DVD using combo discs), or that given the economies of scale with regards to pickup heads and blue laser diodes it appears Blu-ray hardware will plummet in price at a faster rate than HD DVDs hardware, etc, but that shouldn't cause you to label me as a dick, when in fact, it is reality that is being the dick. Be mad at reality if that is what you choose to do with your free agency,...I'm simply a messenger that doesn't need to sugar coat it for you simply because YOU decide to simply misinterpret my text as some personal message. Lay your ego aside, and lets discuss what it is here we are to discuss...Blu-ray vs. HD DVD and its connection with future Mac hardware.
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  • Reply 1686 of 4650
    marzetta7marzetta7 Posts: 1,323member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SDW2001 View Post


    Let's invite him into PO. He'd be dead of a heart attack in seconds.



    PO? Fill me in. Thanks.
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  • Reply 1687 of 4650
    marzetta7marzetta7 Posts: 1,323member
    Panasonic launches $600 DMP-BD10A Blu-ray player, bundles five films



    http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/05/15...undles-five-f/



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    Not too long after Pioneer went and introduced its second generation Blu-ray player, along comes Panasonic to follow suit, but unlike the BDP-LX70, we've got a pricetag as well as a few tempting reasons to pick this one up over the competition. The DMP-BD10A packs an audio upgrade that brings 7.1, Dolby True HD, and DTS-HD on board, and it incorporates Panasonic's EZ-Sync system for "one-touch operation" of your home theater. The overall design doesn't deviate too far from that seen in the first iteration, but you will find 1080p upconversion via HDMI, a 14-bit DA converter with 4x oversampling, support for BD-J, and compatibility between select HD camcorders via the AVCHD (H.264) codec. Notably, Panasonic is giving users two reasons to seriously considering its new offering, as the fairly reasonable $599.95 pricetag looks even better when you consider the five BD films (Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl, Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest, Transporter, Fantastic Four, and Crash) you'll be getting right in the box.



    Shock and awe indeed. Those are some nice movies! Although I wasn't a fan of Crash, 4 out of the 5 isn't bad. Moreover, with a price like $599, you can bet you'll find it cheaper than this MSRP listed on the likes of Amazon.
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  • Reply 1688 of 4650
    marzetta7marzetta7 Posts: 1,323member
    Disney Announces Narnia for Blu-ray



    http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=187



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    At a premier for the Blu-ray releases of the first two 'Pirates of the Caribbean' films, Disney announced that they will be bringing the first installment of 'The Chronicles of Narnia' to Blu-ray either late summer or early autumn. A highly anticipated title from the studio, 'The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe' will surely receive the same two disc treatment that the Pirates films have, including special features only found on Blu-ray.



    Also revealed by Disney at the event, was that the Pixar film 'Cars' would be delayed to September due to Pixar's high level of participation on the title. Additionally, they announced that no catalog animation titles would be released in 2007 as they wait for hardware penetration to gain a better footing.



    Stay tuned for more detail about the release of 'The Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe'.



    Too bad in hearing about Cars. I'm interested to see what "Pixar's high level of participation" will create though. Bring on the Incredibiles is I'll I have to say.



    Narnia was alright IMO, nothing to write home about. Thoughts? It should look good in HD nonetheless.
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  • Reply 1689 of 4650
    oldcodger73oldcodger73 Posts: 707member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by marzetta7 View Post


    PO? Fill me in. Thanks.



    If I understand what they're babbling about, PO is the AppleInsider Political Outsider board where, judging by thread titles about the only subject you can't comment on are computers. Sounds like it's a soap box board where you can go to insult people and dramatically build up your post count.



    We've talked about which format's discs are outselling the other and the revelence of the figures being used. I'm wondering, do the HD discs purchased by Netflix and Blockbuster get counted in these totals. I see where some people, I think it's Bite, has purchased around 60 titles but the strategy of choice right now for most people seems to be buy several discs and then count on renting most of the rest of their HD viewing from Netflix and Blockbuster. This in turn puts a demand on those two companies to have to buy enough inventory of each title to meet customer needs.
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  • Reply 1690 of 4650
    heffequeheffeque Posts: 139member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by marzetta7 View Post


    Disney Announces Narnia for Blu-ray



    http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=187



    Disney will be Blu Ray exclusive so that says it all: Apple will go Blu Ray too. Too bad



    I wish both BluRay and HD-DVD never really make it and next gen media take users more into consideration instead of all the AACS crap they've put into these two crappy formats.



    HMD and (specially) HVD power!
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  • Reply 1691 of 4650
    marzetta7marzetta7 Posts: 1,323member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by heffeque View Post


    Disney will be Blu Ray exclusive so that says it all: Apple will go Blu Ray too. Too bad



    I wish both BluRay and HD-DVD never really make it and next gen media take users more into consideration instead of all the AACS crap they've put into these two crappy formats.



    HMD and (specially) HVD power!



    I feel ya, and welcome to the forum! Yeah, it kinda sucks to have all the DRM in either format, but I don't really worry about it too much, as I know they'll be full cracked anyway in due time. Plus, I don't rip movies, so I don't mind if protective measures are put on the discs to deter rampant pirating. It's a fact of life, the studios will always try and protect their movies, it is just that most of their protective measures are cracked shortly thereafter.



    Anyhow, yeah it has been mentioned before the technological advances in holographic discs, but it seems that the discs are still way too expensive. The technology looks promising, but I don't know if it will ever be adopted by he mainstream. We'll see though, anything is possible.
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  • Reply 1692 of 4650
    marzetta7marzetta7 Posts: 1,323member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by OldCodger73 View Post


    If I understand what they're babbling about, PO is the AppleInsider Political Outsider board where, judging by thread titles about the only subject you can't comment on are computers. Sounds like it's a soap box board where you can go to insult people and dramatically build up your post count.



    We've talked about which format's discs are outselling the other and the revelence of the figures being used. I'm wondering, do the HD discs purchased by Netflix and Blockbuster get counted in these totals. I see where some people, I think it's Bite, has purchased around 60 titles but the strategy of choice right now for most people seems to be buy several discs and then count on renting most of the rest of their HD viewing from Netflix and Blockbuster. This in turn puts a demand on those two companies to have to buy enough inventory of each title to meet customer needs.



    Ahh, I see. Politcal Outsider board, huh. No thanks, as I get enough debate with this in real time with my own family--my mom is a bleeding liberal. Thanks for keeping me informed.



    Anyhow, very good question about discs purchased by Netflix and Blockbuster. I'm not sure if the Nielsen numbers account for that as well. I wonder if anyone here could shed some light on this as you've peeked my curiousity. Anyone?
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  • Reply 1693 of 4650
    marzetta7marzetta7 Posts: 1,323member
    300 Storms onto Blu-ray



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    Warner Brothers Home Entertainment has revealed that they will release the blockbuster action film '300' on July 31st. The film will come on a BD-50 featuring a 2.4:1 VC-1 1080p video encode and Dolby TrueHD audio. The Blu-ray version will feature 90 minutes of extras, including featurettes for battle scenes, special effects, and characters. Also included will be a full length commentary track with Director Zack Synder and crew. SRP has been set at $34.99.



    In 480 B.C. a state of war exists between Persia, led by King Xerxes, and Greece. At the Battle of Thermopylae, Leonidas (Gerard Butler), king of the Greek city state of Sparta, leads his badly outnumbered warriors against the massive Persian army. Though certain death awaits the Spartans, their sacrifice inspires all of Greece to unite against their common enemy. Based on the graphic novel by Frank Miller (Sin City) and Lynn Varley.



    It is coming to HD DVD too, just FYI. This ought to sell very well.
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  • Reply 1694 of 4650
    marzetta7marzetta7 Posts: 1,323member
    The Fifth Element Remastered for July 17th



    http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=189



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    What was to be a huge kick-start for the Blu-ray format when it was launched last year unfortunately never materialized in whole. 'The Fifth Element' is often described as demo material for A/V enthusiasts who like to showcase its unique visual style and awesome soundtrack. Unfortunately, while Sony delivered on the audio side with a stunning PCM surround track, the video was lacking to say the least. Sony heard the cries of fans and has spent countless hours remastering the title which they will be releasing on July 17th, according to retailers.



    Also recently entered into distribution channels, August 7th release dates for 'Are We Done Yet?', 'Final Fantasy: Spirits Within', and 'Arlington Road'. Specs have yet to be released for any of the recently added titles.



    It is important to note that when a title is placed in retailers computers, it can be easily moved or canceled without notice due to the volatility of the industry, but with the huge anticipation for this re-release, we thought it was necessary to share the news. Current owners of 'The Fifth Element' should also keep their eyes open for deals to make the transition to the remastered version a lot easier.



    Hopefully, this will be a release to remember...in a good way this time. I'm hoping they give it the H.264/AVC treatment on a BD50. We'll see.
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  • Reply 1695 of 4650
    addaboxaddabox Posts: 12,665member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SDW2001 View Post


    Let's invite him into PO. He'd be dead of a heart attack in seconds.



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  • Reply 1696 of 4650
    addaboxaddabox Posts: 12,665member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by vinea View Post


    Its one thread in a single forum. Not hard to avoid it's "tiresome". There is zealotry on both sides and really its just popcorn fare rather than "debate".



    Vinea



    I'm interested in the tech and I wish the thread wasn't so beholden to cheerleading. If you think 'Murch is providing the opposite but equal "zealotry" I would say you're wrong.
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  • Reply 1697 of 4650
    cakecake Posts: 1,010member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by marzetta7 View Post


    The Fifth Element Remastered for July 17th



    http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=189



    Hopefully, this will be a release to remember...in a good way this time. I'm hoping they give it the H.264/AVC treatment on a BD50. We'll see.



    It looks fantastic. I saw the HD master a couple of weeks ago.

    The PQ is truly what the first release should've been.
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  • Reply 1698 of 4650
    bitemymacbitemymac Posts: 1,147member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by addabox View Post


    I'm interested in the tech and I wish the thread wasn't so beholden to cheerleading. If you think 'Murch is providing the opposite but equal "zealotry" I would say you're wrong.



    You're expecting too much... Cheerleaders aren't debaters. It does get old really fast with incessant BD brochure flashes. At times, I wonder if some of the BD cheerleaders do get paid by number of such posts on the internet. I guess, they also need to make a living......
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  • Reply 1699 of 4650
    addaboxaddabox Posts: 12,665member
    Quote:
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    It looks fantastic. I saw the HD master a couple of weeks ago.

    The PQ is truly what the first release should've been.



    Oh dear lord no. Not The Fifth Element, again.



    It was one of the better DVD transfers out there, for a while, and got played incessantly at trade shows. For a while it seemed like you couldn't walk into a convention center without immediately seeing 40 screens ranging from 30" to 30' showing the damn thing. I think it's burned into my cerebral cortex.
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  • Reply 1700 of 4650
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,464member
    Folks it looks like it's time to get off the sidelines.



    http://cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=137524



    Starting May 20th HD DVD authorized dealers will be able to offer an instant $100 discount to $299.



    "If" you purchase The Matrix Trilogy (either version) you will get another two additional HD DVD movies. Plus you still get the 5 movies on a rebate.



    So $299 plus 7 movies total. You can't beat that with a stick. I'm bringing a HD-A2 and The Matrix Trilogy home with me next week.
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