It was one of the better DVD transfers out there, for a while, and got played incessantly at trade shows. For a while it seemed like you couldn't walk into a convention center without immediately seeing 40 screens ranging from 30" to 30' showing the damn thing. I think it's burned into my cerebral cortex.
It used to be one of the best superbit SD DVD's and it did look quite good when upconverted using a good scaler or just by good progressive showing. That was the main problem that people have had with BD version. Since the superbit SD version did have a demo quality transfer, the BD in comparison didn't make much improvement over the SD superbit version, which was heavily criticized. I myself do have BD & SD version of The Fifth Element w/out the player of course. Eitherway, I think the newer transfer will probably show processing artifacts like the edge enhancements and such if Sony does try to clean up even more.... you can only clean up the source (about 20 years of aging)so much. I would think the advance encoding with larger disc space would only remove slight compression artifacts it introduced on initial BD release as MPEG2 on BD25. However, movie enthusiasts are known to buy every versions out there...... so who knows... I'm not going to go out and get a BD player for the newer BD release version of The Fifth Element, though. The XA2 can upconvert SD like it is a better BD version.
Perhaps you missed my question, can you recomend any of the movies you own? PQ wise, or indeed anything to avoid ie blurry picture etc?
I didn't think you were serious when you initially asked. It's hard to separate fanboys vs enthusiasts....
Anyway, I would avoid The fifth element (the current release) if you already have this movie in superbit SD DVD and a good SD DVD player. I thought The Tomb Raider was another disappointing transfer. It starts out at a average HD PQ, but gets progressively worse throughout the movie. Oh, I also regret getting Sky Captain, because the movie itself was intensionally blurry, which looks blurry in HD as well.
For eye candy titles, I've heard Crank supposed to be good for viewing only since the movie was horrible. I do have few movies that I had initially bought just for such purpose including.... Aeon Flux, Serenity, and etc.....
Most animation movies are good for demo, but most of them already look good in SD, so I'm not sure it's up for your liking. I thought Corpse Bride was one of the better ones among them.
Also, some of the double dips I really enjoyed owning are:
Backdraft
Harry potter (GOF)
Batman Begins
King Kong
MI (series)
Mummy & Mummy Returns
I'm sure there are more, but hard list them all from work...
If you want the eye candy list, go to the avsforum under bdsofware. There is a tier list of all the movies already out in BD. Just take your pick at the tier 0 or tier 1 group.
BTW, I'm almost done with my new HTPC, and I'm half way complete being able to play BD movies on it. Just installed PowerDVD Ultra Deluxe 7.3 and as soon as I can find a cheap BD-Drive, I shall have my BD player again.
I didn't think you were serious when you initially asked.
Is it possible to be both haha. I've only recently got a player, so any advice on what has been a good transfare is of interest to me.
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Anyway, I would avoid The fifth element (the current release) ... I thought The Tomb Raider was another disappointing transfer. It starts out at a average HD PQ, but gets progressively worse throughout the movie. Oh, I also regret getting Sky Captain...
Done, done and done. I like 5th Element a lot, but have heard so many complaints about it, that I'm going to just avoid it until it gets a really good transfare. Tombraider I wouldn't touch with a barge pole, there are few movies I have nearly walked out on and that was one of them, so I will be avoiding it like the plague anyway.
Sky captian I have on DVD and was disappointed in perhaps due to my hightened expectation, but perhaps its time to give it another viewing?
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For eye candy titles, I've heard Crank supposed to be good for viewing only since the movie was horrible. I do have few movies that I had initially bought just for such purpose including.... Aeon Flux, Serenity, and etc.....
Most animation movies are good for demo, but most of them already look good in SD, so I'm not sure it's up for your liking. I thought Corpse Bride was one of the better ones among them.
Also, some of the double dips I really enjoyed owning are:
Backdraft
Harry potter (GOF)
Batman Begins
King Kong
MI (series)
Mummy & Mummy Returns
I'm sure there are more, but hard list them all from work...
If you want the eye candy list, go to the avsforum under bdsofware. There is a tier list of all the movies already out in BD. Just take your pick at the tier 0 or tier 1 group.
Thanks for the tips, that post on AVS is GOLD! {I find the colours and layout very off putting so have avoided it, but I think I shall bookmark that thread!}
Batman Begins is one of the movies I have promised myself in hi-def and am very much looking forward to, haven't seen Backdraft for years, excellent movie I wouldn't have considered getting but for your recomendation! So thanks again.
PS. I have Serenity on DVD already, do you feel there is a worthwhile upgrade? {I'm in two minds perhaps a rewatch of that DVD is in order as well }
Call me whatever you like, it doesn't change the fact that wilco's posts have nothing to do with the subject at hand...much like your statement here. Grow up, and if you have any other insulting statements, just PM me.
Faintest interest in Apple computers according to whom...you? I am very interested in Apple Computers, thus the reason I post here. I simply don't find much to debate about in regards to Apple's computers (in terms of software, processors, memory, etc.)...they are fantastic, end of story. In fact, I started this thread about 3 years ago with the interest of having Blu-ray drives in future versions of Mac Pros or other Apple offerings. The probability of having a Blu-ray drive in an Apple computer is exactly why I've been posting in these threads over the last couple of years, so please don't assume you know or can gauge MY interest in Apple computers.
Should I post for the greater good there Mao? Sorry, I don't post to pander to both sides of the debate. I have an opinion and I give it. You don't like it, that's your problem, not mine.
It is writing? Wow, that's a breakthrough, you've must have stayed up all night realizing that one. What I'm contending is the misinterpretation of "writing." I state something in the form typed text on my computer, you interpret it as me "smirking about how Blu-ray rules and the poor HD DVD fans must be gnashing their teeth or weeping at your [my] every triumphant link," whereas the intention and MESSAGE of my post is to keep those here informed of Blu-ray and how it could possibly pertain to Apple computers. In other words, you interpret my message or posts as postering and being a dick, when in fact I'm just posting information. Sure it may be in response to others claims, but it is done so to refute any false claims and/or information that was given. It's called debating. You seem to want to make it personal, whereas, I simply choose to leave emotion aside and discuss...you got it...the topic at hand.
Or you could not be so emotional, as it appears (as that is how I'm interpreting your text, but I very well could be wrong, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt), and realize that your conclusion of "childish triumphalism and taunting" is simply your interpretation. Some may have a similar interpretation, but my purpose of my messages is to give the relevant facts in regards to this format war. You may not like the facts, like Blu-ray outselling HD DVD by more than 2 to 1 for the last 5 months, or the fact that Blu-ray has 7 out of the 8 movie studios supporting it, or that Blu-ray has the majority of CE support and IT support, or that Blu-ray discs on average have been actually selling cheaper than their HD DVD counterparts (most likely due to the decision of HD DVD using combo discs), or that given the economies of scale with regards to pickup heads and blue laser diodes it appears Blu-ray hardware will plummet in price at a faster rate than HD DVDs hardware, etc, but that shouldn't cause you to label me as a dick, when in fact, it is reality that is being the dick. Be mad at reality if that is what you choose to do with your free agency,...I'm simply a messenger that doesn't need to sugar coat it for you simply because YOU decide to simply misinterpret my text as some personal message. Lay your ego aside, and lets discuss what it is here we are to discuss...Blu-ray vs. HD DVD and its connection with future Mac hardware.
Did you buy one yet? Or are you still talking out your arse?
PS. I have Serenity on DVD already, do you feel there is a worthwhile upgrade? {I'm in two minds perhaps a rewatch of that DVD is in order as well }
I believe Serenity is universal studio release, which means that BD version will not be available. The HD-DVD version of Serenity was one of the 1st top eye candy picks and most/majority of HD-DVD player owners also own this copy........ according to the AVS poll.
As I understand it, the first Fifth Element BD release was a huge F-up regarding the picture (the wrong HD Master was used). Oops
I never saw the authored disc, but the HD QT for that release was horrendous. Dust and dirt all over the frame.
This next release looks great. Everyone who bought the first BD should get this one for free as a replacement.
The Fifth Element was my first BD movie bought along with Sammy BDP-1000, which was shortly returned within a week. I'm not sure whether the newer and improved release will be worth the triple dip, though. As I said before, the superbit SD DVD looks excellent when upconverted using HD-XA2 via REON HQV video processor. If and when I do get the BD or combo drive for my HTPC, I'll give it a rent. I'm a big sucka for an eye candy.
I believe Serenity is universal studio release, which means that BD version will not be available. The HD-DVD version of Serenity was one of the 1st top eye candy picks and most/majority of HD-DVD player owners also own this copy........ according to the AVS poll.
Ahh, yes I seem to remember this being all the rage when HD-DVD was but new and fresh {seems so long ago now } and was the reason for me getting the DVD in the first place.
The eye candy BD thread kept me up late, some of those screen grabs/pics are stunning, I have not been that keen on getting any animation, but after viewing those pictures I've done a complete revaluation!
WRT the tier lists I haven't recieved my Casino Royal yet, but I did go ahead and order Black Hawk Down, I haven't actually seen the film at all yet, and by the looks of it, I'm in for a treat.
P.S. It now seems apparent that I need to join a rental system, Amazon looks good for BD. the temptation to spend money all over again is too great.
Did you buy one yet? Or are you still talking out your arse?
I think I answered this in a previous post. In a civil manner, I explained what my current financial predicament is, stated to you what I've seen in hi-def, and on what players, etc. (as I have family and friends that have Blu-ray) in response to your inquiry in regards to entering the BD market and as to what player you should get. Was this not an honest inquiry, or simply an attempt to garner more information about me in order to flame me later?
Regardless, I hope that you honestly intend to enter into the high def arena, and I think there are many Blu-ray players out there that impress. Hell, you might as well go for the new Panasonic that is selling for $599 and comes with 5 free movies--POTC1, POTC2, Fantastic Four, Transporter, and Crash--as I think that would be a great start, that is, if you really considered entering the BD market in the first place...
Marz, why is it that when HD-DVD players were bundles with titles it was called a sign of desperation, and when Blu-Ray players are bundled with titles it's called "a great start" to entering the BD marketplace?
Marz, why is it that when HD-DVD players were bundles with titles it was called a sign of desperation, and when Blu-Ray players are bundled with titles it's called "a great start" to entering the BD marketplace?
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Oh dear lord no. Not The Fifth Element, again.
It was one of the better DVD transfers out there, for a while, and got played incessantly at trade shows. For a while it seemed like you couldn't walk into a convention center without immediately seeing 40 screens ranging from 30" to 30' showing the damn thing. I think it's burned into my cerebral cortex.
It used to be one of the best superbit SD DVD's and it did look quite good when upconverted using a good scaler or just by good progressive showing. That was the main problem that people have had with BD version. Since the superbit SD version did have a demo quality transfer, the BD in comparison didn't make much improvement over the SD superbit version, which was heavily criticized. I myself do have BD & SD version of The Fifth Element w/out the player of course. Eitherway, I think the newer transfer will probably show processing artifacts like the edge enhancements and such if Sony does try to clean up even more.... you can only clean up the source (about 20 years of aging)so much. I would think the advance encoding with larger disc space would only remove slight compression artifacts it introduced on initial BD release as MPEG2 on BD25. However, movie enthusiasts are known to buy every versions out there...... so who knows... I'm not going to go out and get a BD player for the newer BD release version of The Fifth Element, though. The XA2 can upconvert SD like it is a better BD version.
you can only clean up the source (about 20 years of aging)so much.
10 years.
Perhaps you missed my question, can you recomend any of the movies you own? PQ wise, or indeed anything to avoid ie blurry picture etc?
bite
Perhaps you missed my question, can you recomend any of the movies you own? PQ wise, or indeed anything to avoid ie blurry picture etc?
I can recommend Leon The Professional, Amelie and a long list of good movies
Edit: Wops, didn't read the second part :-P My bad.
It seems that Toshiba is getting desperate.
JLL that tired cliche is trademarked by Blu-ray fanboys. Please refrain from using it unless you've paid the appropriate license fees :P
I can recommend Leon The Professional, Amelie and a long list of good movies
Edit: Wops, didn't read the second part :-P My bad.
Both good movies. Since you're new ...we'll let the part about you not reading the second part slide chief
It looks fantastic. I saw the HD master a couple of weeks ago.
The PQ is truly what the first release should've been.
Sweet. Do you have any info on the technical specs?
bite
Perhaps you missed my question, can you recomend any of the movies you own? PQ wise, or indeed anything to avoid ie blurry picture etc?
I didn't think you were serious when you initially asked. It's hard to separate fanboys vs enthusiasts....
Anyway, I would avoid The fifth element (the current release) if you already have this movie in superbit SD DVD and a good SD DVD player. I thought The Tomb Raider was another disappointing transfer. It starts out at a average HD PQ, but gets progressively worse throughout the movie. Oh, I also regret getting Sky Captain, because the movie itself was intensionally blurry, which looks blurry in HD as well.
For eye candy titles, I've heard Crank supposed to be good for viewing only since the movie was horrible. I do have few movies that I had initially bought just for such purpose including.... Aeon Flux, Serenity, and etc.....
Most animation movies are good for demo, but most of them already look good in SD, so I'm not sure it's up for your liking. I thought Corpse Bride was one of the better ones among them.
Also, some of the double dips I really enjoyed owning are:
Backdraft
Harry potter (GOF)
Batman Begins
King Kong
MI (series)
Mummy & Mummy Returns
I'm sure there are more, but hard list them all from work...
If you want the eye candy list, go to the avsforum under bdsofware. There is a tier list of all the movies already out in BD. Just take your pick at the tier 0 or tier 1 group.
Sweet. Do you have any info on the technical specs?
LOL.... while waiting for the remastered The Fifth Element, check out the reviews on the HD-DVD Matrix series....
http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/matrix_umc.html
5/5 stars for both PQ & AQ.
BTW, I'm almost done with my new HTPC, and I'm half way complete being able to play BD movies on it. Just installed PowerDVD Ultra Deluxe 7.3 and as soon as I can find a cheap BD-Drive, I shall have my BD player again.
I didn't think you were serious when you initially asked.
Is it possible to be both
Anyway, I would avoid The fifth element (the current release) ... I thought The Tomb Raider was another disappointing transfer. It starts out at a average HD PQ, but gets progressively worse throughout the movie. Oh, I also regret getting Sky Captain...
Done, done and done. I like 5th Element a lot, but have heard so many complaints about it, that I'm going to just avoid it until it gets a really good transfare. Tombraider I wouldn't touch with a barge pole, there are few movies I have nearly walked out on and that was one of them, so I will be avoiding it like the plague anyway.
Sky captian I have on DVD and was disappointed in perhaps due to my hightened expectation, but perhaps its time to give it another viewing?
For eye candy titles, I've heard Crank supposed to be good for viewing only since the movie was horrible. I do have few movies that I had initially bought just for such purpose including.... Aeon Flux, Serenity, and etc.....
Most animation movies are good for demo, but most of them already look good in SD, so I'm not sure it's up for your liking. I thought Corpse Bride was one of the better ones among them.
Also, some of the double dips I really enjoyed owning are:
Backdraft
Harry potter (GOF)
Batman Begins
King Kong
MI (series)
Mummy & Mummy Returns
I'm sure there are more, but hard list them all from work...
If you want the eye candy list, go to the avsforum under bdsofware. There is a tier list of all the movies already out in BD. Just take your pick at the tier 0 or tier 1 group.
Thanks for the tips, that post on AVS is GOLD! {I find the colours and layout very off putting so have avoided it, but I think I shall bookmark that thread!}
Batman Begins is one of the movies I have promised myself in hi-def and am very much looking forward to, haven't seen Backdraft for years, excellent movie I wouldn't have considered getting but for your recomendation! So thanks again.
PS. I have Serenity on DVD already, do you feel there is a worthwhile upgrade? {I'm in two minds perhaps a rewatch of that DVD is in order as well
Sweet. Do you have any info on the technical specs?
I could easily find out, but I really love my job.
Anyway, I would avoid The fifth element (the current release) if you already have this movie in superbit SD DVD and a good SD DVD player. ....
Very much agree, bite.
As I understand it, the first Fifth Element BD release was a huge F-up regarding the picture (the wrong HD Master was used). Oops
I never saw the authored disc, but the HD QT for that release was horrendous. Dust and dirt all over the frame.
This next release looks great. Everyone who bought the first BD should get this one for free as a replacement.
Call me whatever you like, it doesn't change the fact that wilco's posts have nothing to do with the subject at hand...much like your statement here. Grow up, and if you have any other insulting statements, just PM me.
Faintest interest in Apple computers according to whom...you? I am very interested in Apple Computers, thus the reason I post here. I simply don't find much to debate about in regards to Apple's computers (in terms of software, processors, memory, etc.)...they are fantastic, end of story. In fact, I started this thread about 3 years ago with the interest of having Blu-ray drives in future versions of Mac Pros or other Apple offerings. The probability of having a Blu-ray drive in an Apple computer is exactly why I've been posting in these threads over the last couple of years, so please don't assume you know or can gauge MY interest in Apple computers.
Should I post for the greater good there Mao? Sorry, I don't post to pander to both sides of the debate. I have an opinion and I give it. You don't like it, that's your problem, not mine.
It is writing? Wow, that's a breakthrough, you've must have stayed up all night realizing that one. What I'm contending is the misinterpretation of "writing." I state something in the form typed text on my computer, you interpret it as me "smirking about how Blu-ray rules and the poor HD DVD fans must be gnashing their teeth or weeping at your [my] every triumphant link," whereas the intention and MESSAGE of my post is to keep those here informed of Blu-ray and how it could possibly pertain to Apple computers. In other words, you interpret my message or posts as postering and being a dick, when in fact I'm just posting information. Sure it may be in response to others claims, but it is done so to refute any false claims and/or information that was given. It's called debating. You seem to want to make it personal, whereas, I simply choose to leave emotion aside and discuss...you got it...the topic at hand.
Or you could not be so emotional, as it appears (as that is how I'm interpreting your text, but I very well could be wrong, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt), and realize that your conclusion of "childish triumphalism and taunting" is simply your interpretation. Some may have a similar interpretation, but my purpose of my messages is to give the relevant facts in regards to this format war. You may not like the facts, like Blu-ray outselling HD DVD by more than 2 to 1 for the last 5 months, or the fact that Blu-ray has 7 out of the 8 movie studios supporting it, or that Blu-ray has the majority of CE support and IT support, or that Blu-ray discs on average have been actually selling cheaper than their HD DVD counterparts (most likely due to the decision of HD DVD using combo discs), or that given the economies of scale with regards to pickup heads and blue laser diodes it appears Blu-ray hardware will plummet in price at a faster rate than HD DVDs hardware, etc, but that shouldn't cause you to label me as a dick, when in fact, it is reality that is being the dick. Be mad at reality if that is what you choose to do with your free agency,...I'm simply a messenger that doesn't need to sugar coat it for you simply because YOU decide to simply misinterpret my text as some personal message. Lay your ego aside, and lets discuss what it is here we are to discuss...Blu-ray vs. HD DVD and its connection with future Mac hardware.
Did you buy one yet? Or are you still talking out your arse?
PS. I have Serenity on DVD already, do you feel there is a worthwhile upgrade? {I'm in two minds perhaps a rewatch of that DVD is in order as well
I believe Serenity is universal studio release, which means that BD version will not be available. The HD-DVD version of Serenity was one of the 1st top eye candy picks and most/majority of HD-DVD player owners also own this copy........ according to the AVS poll.
Very much agree, bite.
As I understand it, the first Fifth Element BD release was a huge F-up regarding the picture (the wrong HD Master was used). Oops
I never saw the authored disc, but the HD QT for that release was horrendous. Dust and dirt all over the frame.
This next release looks great. Everyone who bought the first BD should get this one for free as a replacement.
The Fifth Element was my first BD movie bought along with Sammy BDP-1000, which was shortly returned within a week. I'm not sure whether the newer and improved release will be worth the triple dip, though. As I said before, the superbit SD DVD looks excellent when upconverted using HD-XA2 via REON HQV video processor. If and when I do get the BD or combo drive for my HTPC, I'll give it a rent. I'm a big sucka for an eye candy.
Did you buy one yet? Or are you still talking out your arse?
And have you?
Or are you just going to pick holes in other posters? Which I believe is against forum rules.
I believe Serenity is universal studio release, which means that BD version will not be available. The HD-DVD version of Serenity was one of the 1st top eye candy picks and most/majority of HD-DVD player owners also own this copy........ according to the AVS poll.
Ahh, yes I seem to remember this being all the rage when HD-DVD was but new and fresh {seems so long ago now
The eye candy BD thread kept me up late, some of those screen grabs/pics are stunning, I have not been that keen on getting any animation, but after viewing those pictures I've done a complete revaluation!
WRT the tier lists I haven't recieved my Casino Royal yet, but I did go ahead and order Black Hawk Down, I haven't actually seen the film at all yet, and by the looks of it, I'm in for a treat.
P.S. It now seems apparent that I need to join a rental system, Amazon looks good for BD. the temptation to spend money all over again is too great.
Did you buy one yet? Or are you still talking out your arse?
I think I answered this in a previous post. In a civil manner, I explained what my current financial predicament is, stated to you what I've seen in hi-def, and on what players, etc. (as I have family and friends that have Blu-ray) in response to your inquiry in regards to entering the BD market and as to what player you should get. Was this not an honest inquiry, or simply an attempt to garner more information about me in order to flame me later?
Regardless, I hope that you honestly intend to enter into the high def arena, and I think there are many Blu-ray players out there that impress. Hell, you might as well go for the new Panasonic that is selling for $599 and comes with 5 free movies--POTC1, POTC2, Fantastic Four, Transporter, and Crash--as I think that would be a great start, that is, if you really considered entering the BD market in the first place...
Marz, why is it that when HD-DVD players were bundles with titles it was called a sign of desperation, and when Blu-Ray players are bundled with titles it's called "a great start" to entering the BD marketplace?