Apple iTV availability to escape Macworld Expo

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  • Reply 81 of 188
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 31,981member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by franksargent View Post






    It does occasionally crash, from my experience I'd say 1-2% of the time I'll get random crashes, usually I'll just restart the same video file, and it will play just fine. I have no idea why it crashes when it does, seeing as a redo usually will work. For me it's been reasonably stable since at least version 0.84 (currently using 0.86).



    Except for WMV files, it's played most everything I've thrown at it, I use flip4mac when I have WMV files. And I have thrown a lot (~10,000+) of video sources at VLC (if you know what I mean).







    Hmm! I've had it crash more than that.



    I also use MPlayer. Sometimes it will play something VLC won't.
  • Reply 82 of 188
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 31,981member
    There is a problem I do have, and I haven't investigated why it happens.



    Maybe someone here will have an answer.



    In Quicktime Player the video controls, color, contrast, etc., work on all files EXCEPT mpeg's. That's odd. As I say, I haven't checked out why.



    All the audio controls work though.



    I have the Pro upgrade.
  • Reply 83 of 188
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 31,981member
    Ah, my last post was 6969, a good number.
  • Reply 84 of 188
    Quote:
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    Ah, my last post was 6969, a good number.



    Mel, you're loosening up.
  • Reply 85 of 188
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 31,981member
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    Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post


    Mel, you're loosening up.



    I've always been loose.



    If I could just find that screw!
  • Reply 86 of 188
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    Hmm! I've had it crash more than that.



    I also use MPlayer. Sometimes it will play something VLC won't.



    Does anyonem besides me, use QT as their main player for things video. I like the stabilty, the UI (except the lack of double-clicking to go to full screen), and the easy trim selectiona nd paste selection features of QT Pro.





    Quote:
    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    Ah, my last post was 6969, a good number.



    All your posts on this page at being listed as "Post: 6973". Very odd.
  • Reply 87 of 188
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 31,981member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    Does anyonem besides me, use QT as their main player for things video. I like the stabilty, the UI (except the lack of double-clicking to go to full screen), and the easy trim selectiona nd paste selection features of QT Pro.



    I use it as much as I can.



    Quote:

    All your posts on this page at being listed as "Post: 6973". Very odd.



    They update all of your posts to reflect the new number.
  • Reply 88 of 188
    tenobelltenobell Posts: 7,014member
    Quote:

    Does anyonem besides me, use QT as their main player for things video.



    The far majority of Mac users use Quicktime as their primary video player.



    I mostly use VLC to take screen shots of DVD's.
  • Reply 89 of 188
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    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    Jobs did preview Leopard's new text-to-speech features at the WWDC last August and I know Quicktime will soon support Closed Captioning, so perhaps this will be an option for iTS video downloads.



    Yes the text-to-speech will be good for blind people. Reading straight text isn't the problem though, it's when text has fancy arrangements that it get's difficult to browse. Getting developers to write blind-friendly websites is really helpful (ie easy to navigate in text-only browsers, text substitutes for graphics, etc).



    The closed captioning is for deaf people. They don't describe the picture, just what people say (and blind people can hear that fine . Still good - for deaf people.



    I'm not a deaf/blind person or designer for deaf/blind - just an ex-UI designer who's looked into some of those requirements. My biggest surprise 10 years back was noticing how many deaf people started buying mobile phones (mobile text messaging was the greatest technological leap!) :-)
  • Reply 90 of 188
    sunilramansunilraman Posts: 8,133member
    "People familiar with the matter say Apple now aims to begin shipping iTV (likely under a different product name) in late January or early February."



    Perfectly acceptable.
    8)
  • Reply 91 of 188
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by GregAlexander View Post


    The closed captioning is for deaf people. They don't describe the picture, just what people say (and blind people can hear that fine . Still good - for deaf people.



    That was my point. Jobs stated they are adding accessibility options and very briefly mentioned the CC support in QT. I made mention because one key factor for a Mac in the living room should be CC support on iTS video. BTW, Helen Keller was blind and she could couldn't hear a damn thing. :-)
  • Reply 92 of 188
    666666 Posts: 134member
    Wow, so no composite outputs? Instead, have component as the base level for a low res image? Interesting....
  • Reply 93 of 188
    jlljll Posts: 2,709member
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    Wow, so no A/V outputs? Instead, have baselevel component for a low res image? Interesting....



    Who says no AV outputs?
  • Reply 94 of 188
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Originally Posted by 666 View Post


    Wow, so no A/V outputs? Instead, have baselevel component for a low res image? Interesting....



    Huh? HDMI is A/V, Component is V, Stereo RCA is A, and Optical Digital Audio is A. If you are refering to composite video, then no, that low grade, single channel analog video is not included. Neither is the outdated S-Video. How do the included outputs equal "low res"?



    EDIT: I understand now! You are a FUDster who thinks iTS video is "low res" despite it being higher quality resolution that SDTV. Apple says it's near DVD quality, but we know that even DVD quality isn't HD quality. Right? Regardless, Composite and S-video are old standards that shouldn't even be included on a 2007 appliance. What about all the people that have 10+ year old TV, you say? Well, I doubt many of them would even be interested in purchasing an iTV, but if they did, a simple analog converter would be sufficient.
  • Reply 95 of 188
    Do you think that Apple might offer an add-on HD Drive (BluRay/ HD-DVD) via that USB port like the XBox has? FrontRow has a DVD section.
  • Reply 96 of 188
    aegisdesignaegisdesign Posts: 2,914member
    No SCART connector is more of a concern for us Europeans. Everything comes with SCART here - it's the law. They'll have to ship it with a cludgy 'SCART to whatever connector is common in the USA' convertor or ship a different version here.



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCART
  • Reply 97 of 188
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Originally Posted by spottypaws View Post


    Do you think that Apple might offer an add-on HD Drive (BluRay/ HD-DVD) via that USB port like the XBox has? FrontRow has a DVD section.



    You can already buy HD-DVD and Blu-ray players for the Mac. I assume that Front Row would have no problem playing them. If you mean an external drive connected to the iTV via it's supplied USB port, then no. You need a lot of CPU/GPU to decompress HD H.264 in real time. Check out anandtech.com for some real world benchmarks.
  • Reply 98 of 188
    Sorry, I did mean the iTV.



    Would it not need that kind of CPU/GPU power to playback a Quicktime file in 720p / 1080p such as the movie trailers I download? I'm assuming that they're goign to make it support HD at least to future proof it - it does have HDMI after all?
  • Reply 99 of 188
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    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    You can already buy HD-DVD and Blu-ray players for the Mac. I assume that Front Row would have no problem playing them. If you mean an external drive connected to the iTV, then no. You need a lot of CPU/GPU to decompress HD H.264 in real time. Check out anandtech.com for some real world benchmarks.



    You honestly think iTV won't support realtime HD H.264 playback? I'd be very surprised if it doesn't.



    As to external drive support, if Apple allow it then I'd guess all sorts of 3rd party addons for iTV will crop up like they did for the Mini from Iomega, Lacie, Belkin et al. Some of those were very well done and matched up with the mini perfectly.



    I hope the iTV is the same footprint as the Mini too - just another slice in the Mini stack.
  • Reply 100 of 188
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by spottypaws View Post


    Would it not need that kind of CPU/GPU power to playback a Quicktime file in 720p / 1080p such as the movie trailers I download? I'm assuming that they're goign to make it support HD at least to future proof it - it does have HDMI after all?



    Yes it would. But they iTV probably won't connect directly to the internet. It will still have to use iTunes (like Front Row does) to access the movie trailers. I postulate that the decompression will most likely happen on the computer. The only drawback is that this will increase the network bandwidth usage. There are really only two possibilities: a cheap device that hogs bandwidth for HD content, or a more expensive device that uses minimal bandwidth by doing the decompression on the appliance. There are pros and cons to both setups but I'd put money on the former.
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