June 21 is the solstice, not the equinox. And yes, that is the start of summer ? on the Northern Hemisphere that is. (With the possible exception of the UK apparently...)
That is a six month period but you have four seasons. You are combining spring and summer together. spring starts in late march and ends in late june. summer ends in late september. autumn ends in late december. winter ends in late march. This is how it is in most of northern hemisphere. It is different near the tropics though.
In the UK we don't really have four seasons due to the Gulf Stream, it's pretty much the season we call 'wet' most of the year, especially here in Yorkshire on the wrong side of the Pennines.
But joking aside, (I wrote that but realised I wasn't ), I'd guess most Brits would put the division of the seasons a month earlier at least than what you've written above. The official 'British Summer Time' is when our clocks move an hour. It bears little relation to the actual changes in the temperature, dryness of the air or height of the sun that most people would equate with summer.
All the seasonal chatter aside, a June release of Leopard is not what I'm expecting when Apple said 'Spring 2007'.
All the seasonal chatter aside, a June release of Leopard is not what I'm expecting when Apple said 'Spring 2007'.
If there are truly exciting (and significant) 'secret' features yet to be revealed (which would be great) then I don't see how they can release it much before WWDC. If its truly significant then its going to need some significant time in the wild with beta testers or they will shoot themselves in the foot.
If there are truly exciting (and significant) 'secret' features yet to be revealed (which would be great) then I don't see how they can release it much before WWDC. If its truly significant then its going to need some significant time in the wild with beta testers or they will shoot themselves in the foot.
It's looking more like that the later it gets, yes.
There's also quite a few new major features underneath like ZFS support, the weird mix of resolution independent widgets with bitmaps in the Finder but no new features and hints of a new interface design (in black Yeuch!) that make you think there's something up there that will need some serious testing.
I want a new Mac this 'Spring' but it seems pointless doing it without Leopard/iLife/iWork.
Leopard is the operating system on the phone, so it makes sense that unique hardware should ship when Leopard is finalized. Same is true for the 8 core MacPros, which would depend on code in Leopard, rather than a Tiger update. By the way, what happened to 10.4.9?
No code from Leopard is required for 8 core Mac Pro's. We've already seen them running just fine.
"Spring" from 3/20 to 6/21 might be what's regarded as the official convention in the US, but it makes little sense. The summer solstice is 6/21, so it'd be like saying summer and spring have exactly the same daily distances to the sun, only inverted in time. Even considering the temperature "inertia" of the earth and atmosphere, it doesn't hold up. Even Shakespeare agrees with me, yo.
Edit: I guess we could agree Leopard should be released within what is commonly considered Spring in the US, so American readers can clarify this for us.
Look guys, Apple is a US company, making announcememts in the US. Whatever Spring may be anywhere else, companies here give our timing for events, just as companies give local timings wherever they may be from.
Easter is always the first Sunday, after the first Full Moon, after the Vernal Equinox.
PS, I don't there's a chance in hell that Apple's Leopard reaease will be as far off as WWDC '07. If I had to take a guess I'd say Leopard will be in the shops by end of April at the VeryVery latest.
They seem to be having enough problems with it, that I can't see such an early date. The pressure is off them now that Vista is being released. Another month or two won't make a difference.
"Spring" from 3/20 to 6/21 might be what's regarded as the official convention in the US, but it makes little sense. The summer solstice is 6/21, so it'd be like saying summer and spring have exactly the same daily distances to the sun, only inverted in time. Even considering the temperature "inertia" of the earth and atmosphere, it doesn't hold up. Even Shakespeare agrees with me, yo.
I was planning to spout off about off about astronomic topics that I only vaguely understand to defend summer solstice as the beginning of summer, but I decided to do some research first. Found out I didn't know what I thought I knew (I'll never do reasearch again)...
There is a widespread misconception in this country--which extends, I might note, to the makers of most calendars, dictionaries, and encyclopedias--that summer "officially" starts on the day of the summer solstice, June 21 or 22, which is the longest day of the year. Americans also believe (1) that there is some valid scientific reason for doing it that way, and (2) that everybody in the Northern Hemisphere does it that way, and always has.
None of these things is true. So far as I have been able to discover, no scientific or governmental body has ever formally declared that summer starts on the solstice.
and further:
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The Oxford English Dictionary, somewhat confusingly, says that spring in Britain (and evidently in Ireland) runs from February 1 through April 30, but that summer runs from mid-May to mid-August. This leaves the first two weeks in May mysteriously unaccounted for, by my reckoning, but that is England for you.
The Irish appear to have opted for May 1 as the starting date of their summer, but it was not always thus. I have here an old Irish guidebook (1938) that says summer begins the day after the third Saturday in April (Sunday, presumably) and ends the day after the first Saturday in October. The May 1 starting date may strike Americans as odd, but it sure beats what they were using in 1938.
Look guys, Apple is a US company, making announcememts in the US. Whatever Spring may be anywhere else, companies here give our timing for events, just as companies give local timings wherever they may be from.
Isn't it enough we argue about their products?
Huh? I was asking what "Spring" means in the US. I guess I wasn't clear.
My point is that it doesn't matter. Can we get on with it?
No, I was very unclearly asking:
"
I guess we could agree Leopard should be released within what is commonly considered Spring in the US, so American readers can clarify this for us.
"
It matters because if "spring" is understood as March-May, we can reasonably expect Leopard by then; if it's understood as April-June, we can expect it (in average) about a month later. I meant that officially it's 3/20-6/21, but, as it makes little sense, maybe "spring" really means something else in the minds of people, and Apple would presumably mean the same, and not 3/20-6/21. I mean, that's what I meant--no need to be mean, even if mine English doesn't convey what's in mine mind with minimal amounts of noise. Miny moe.
The Oxford English Dictionary, somewhat confusingly, says that spring in Britain (and evidently in Ireland) runs from February 1 through April 30, but that summer runs from mid-May to mid-August. This leaves the first two weeks in May mysteriously unaccounted for, by my reckoning, but that is England for you.
That seems about right. As long as Apple don't release stuff whilst the UK is in it's temporal holiday and I'm not recovering from Whit Week Malarkey, then we'll let them slip into May's official summery-ness.
It'll be well into summer anyway by the time 10.5.1 is released.
I guess we could agree Leopard should be released within what is commonly considered Spring in the US, so American readers can clarify this for us.
"
It matters because if "spring" is understood as March-May, we can reasonably expect Leopard by then; if it's understood as April-June, we can expect it (in average) about a month later. I meant that officially it's 3/20-6/21, but, as it makes little sense, maybe "spring" really means something else in the minds of people, and Apple would presumably mean the same, and not 3/20-6/21. I mean, that's what I meant--no need to be mean, even if mine English doesn't convey what's in mine mind with minimal amounts of noise. Miny moe.
Ok, the last time for me.
Spring in the US, where Apple is incorporated, and makes most of its major announcements, takes place from March 21st through June 20th.
Call it what you may from where you live, those are the relevant dates.
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June 21 is the solstice, not the equinox. And yes, that is the start of summer ? on the Northern Hemisphere that is. (With the possible exception of the UK apparently...)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer
Sorry, yes. I shall try and get back in touch with my pagan self.
That is a six month period but you have four seasons. You are combining spring and summer together. spring starts in late march and ends in late june. summer ends in late september. autumn ends in late december. winter ends in late march. This is how it is in most of northern hemisphere. It is different near the tropics though.
In the UK we don't really have four seasons due to the Gulf Stream, it's pretty much the season we call 'wet' most of the year, especially here in Yorkshire on the wrong side of the Pennines.
But joking aside, (I wrote that but realised I wasn't
All the seasonal chatter aside, a June release of Leopard is not what I'm expecting when Apple said 'Spring 2007'.
All the seasonal chatter aside, a June release of Leopard is not what I'm expecting when Apple said 'Spring 2007'.
If there are truly exciting (and significant) 'secret' features yet to be revealed (which would be great) then I don't see how they can release it much before WWDC. If its truly significant then its going to need some significant time in the wild with beta testers or they will shoot themselves in the foot.
What about the Irish?
As one who has a few drop of Irish blood in him, I say this:
How can you NOT love the Irish?
-Clive
If there are truly exciting (and significant) 'secret' features yet to be revealed (which would be great) then I don't see how they can release it much before WWDC. If its truly significant then its going to need some significant time in the wild with beta testers or they will shoot themselves in the foot.
It's looking more like that the later it gets, yes.
There's also quite a few new major features underneath like ZFS support, the weird mix of resolution independent widgets with bitmaps in the Finder but no new features and hints of a new interface design (in black Yeuch!) that make you think there's something up there that will need some serious testing.
I want a new Mac this 'Spring' but it seems pointless doing it without Leopard/iLife/iWork.
Can someone sync Steve's iCal?
The events calendar must be in Exchange. HAHAHAHAHA!!
Leopard is the operating system on the phone, so it makes sense that unique hardware should ship when Leopard is finalized. Same is true for the 8 core MacPros, which would depend on code in Leopard, rather than a Tiger update. By the way, what happened to 10.4.9?
No code from Leopard is required for 8 core Mac Pro's. We've already seen them running just fine.
"Spring" from 3/20 to 6/21 might be what's regarded as the official convention in the US, but it makes little sense. The summer solstice is 6/21, so it'd be like saying summer and spring have exactly the same daily distances to the sun, only inverted in time. Even considering the temperature "inertia" of the earth and atmosphere, it doesn't hold up. Even Shakespeare agrees with me, yo.
Edit: I guess we could agree Leopard should be released within what is commonly considered Spring in the US, so American readers can clarify this for us.
Look guys, Apple is a US company, making announcememts in the US. Whatever Spring may be anywhere else, companies here give our timing for events, just as companies give local timings wherever they may be from.
Isn't it enough we argue about their products?
What about the Irish?
Easter is always the first Sunday, after the first Full Moon, after the Vernal Equinox.
PS, I don't there's a chance in hell that Apple's Leopard reaease will be as far off as WWDC '07. If I had to take a guess I'd say Leopard will be in the shops by end of April at the Very Very latest.
They seem to be having enough problems with it, that I can't see such an early date. The pressure is off them now that Vista is being released. Another month or two won't make a difference.
"Spring" from 3/20 to 6/21 might be what's regarded as the official convention in the US, but it makes little sense. The summer solstice is 6/21, so it'd be like saying summer and spring have exactly the same daily distances to the sun, only inverted in time. Even considering the temperature "inertia" of the earth and atmosphere, it doesn't hold up. Even Shakespeare agrees with me, yo.
I was planning to spout off about off about astronomic topics that I only vaguely understand to defend summer solstice as the beginning of summer, but I decided to do some research first. Found out I didn't know what I thought I knew (I'll never do reasearch again)...
from http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_170b.html
There is a widespread misconception in this country--which extends, I might note, to the makers of most calendars, dictionaries, and encyclopedias--that summer "officially" starts on the day of the summer solstice, June 21 or 22, which is the longest day of the year. Americans also believe (1) that there is some valid scientific reason for doing it that way, and (2) that everybody in the Northern Hemisphere does it that way, and always has.
None of these things is true. So far as I have been able to discover, no scientific or governmental body has ever formally declared that summer starts on the solstice.
and further:
The Oxford English Dictionary, somewhat confusingly, says that spring in Britain (and evidently in Ireland) runs from February 1 through April 30, but that summer runs from mid-May to mid-August. This leaves the first two weeks in May mysteriously unaccounted for, by my reckoning, but that is England for you.
The Irish appear to have opted for May 1 as the starting date of their summer, but it was not always thus. I have here an old Irish guidebook (1938) that says summer begins the day after the third Saturday in April (Sunday, presumably) and ends the day after the first Saturday in October. The May 1 starting date may strike Americans as odd, but it sure beats what they were using in 1938.
What did Shakespears say? yo
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Nevermind the question--I got it
Look guys, Apple is a US company, making announcememts in the US. Whatever Spring may be anywhere else, companies here give our timing for events, just as companies give local timings wherever they may be from.
Isn't it enough we argue about their products?
Huh? I was asking what "Spring" means in the US. I guess I wasn't clear.
Huh? I was asking what "Spring" means in the US. I guess I wasn't clear.
No, you weren't asking, you were telling.
My point is that it doesn't matter. Can we get on with it?
No, you weren't asking, you were telling.
My point is that it doesn't matter. Can we get on with it?
No, I was very unclearly asking:
"
I guess we could agree Leopard should be released within what is commonly considered Spring in the US, so American readers can clarify this for us.
"
It matters because if "spring" is understood as March-May, we can reasonably expect Leopard by then; if it's understood as April-June, we can expect it (in average) about a month later. I meant that officially it's 3/20-6/21, but, as it makes little sense, maybe "spring" really means something else in the minds of people, and Apple would presumably mean the same, and not 3/20-6/21. I mean, that's what I meant--no need to be mean, even if mine English doesn't convey what's in mine mind with minimal amounts of noise. Miny moe.
The Oxford English Dictionary, somewhat confusingly, says that spring in Britain (and evidently in Ireland) runs from February 1 through April 30, but that summer runs from mid-May to mid-August. This leaves the first two weeks in May mysteriously unaccounted for, by my reckoning, but that is England for you.
That seems about right. As long as Apple don't release stuff whilst the UK is in it's temporal holiday and I'm not recovering from Whit Week Malarkey, then we'll let them slip into May's official summery-ness.
It'll be well into summer anyway by the time 10.5.1 is released.
No, I was very unclearly asking:
"
I guess we could agree Leopard should be released within what is commonly considered Spring in the US, so American readers can clarify this for us.
"
It matters because if "spring" is understood as March-May, we can reasonably expect Leopard by then; if it's understood as April-June, we can expect it (in average) about a month later. I meant that officially it's 3/20-6/21, but, as it makes little sense, maybe "spring" really means something else in the minds of people, and Apple would presumably mean the same, and not 3/20-6/21. I mean, that's what I meant--no need to be mean, even if mine English doesn't convey what's in mine mind with minimal amounts of noise. Miny moe.
Ok, the last time for me.
Spring in the US, where Apple is incorporated, and makes most of its major announcements, takes place from March 21st through June 20th.
Call it what you may from where you live, those are the relevant dates.
Ok, the last time for me.
Spring in the US, where Apple is incorporated, and makes most of its major announcements, takes place from March 21st through June 20th.
Call it what you may from where you live, those are the relevant dates.
So can any of you Americans explain why your seasons begin mid month rather than
the start of months?
Just a question for curiosity sake
Scott
Ok, the last time for me.
Spring in the US, where Apple is incorporated, and makes most of its major announcements, takes place from March 21st through June 20th.
Call it what you may from where you live, those are the relevant dates.
If only it were spring already.
Leopard would be upon us and we would be over our winter grumpies...