I was hoping this would come with a price drop on the other processor configs. Oh, well.
I'm right there with you... 9 months and they only add a config to the top?
I understand that we're not gonna see a higher clock on the woodcrest processors and we're closing in on the next chip generations awfully fast (well who knows when they'll actually find their way in a mac), but no price drop or additional video card options? Kinda weak if you ask me...
Gonna wait till I can get leopard on a Mac Pro before I buy one... don't want to do a clean install on a 2-3 month old setup.
This tells me that new Cimena Dispalys w/ an iSight camera and IR receiver are coming soon.
My sentiments, too. I miss the consistency.
PS: Is anyone actually planning on getting an 8-core Mac Pro? Scratch that! Is anyone planning on using any PC with a Clovertown CPU in it. I don't think I have any programs that can come close to dealing with a 4 core processor.
New cinema display coming with LED, iSight starting at 22 inches same price as old ones.
I meant 4 x '3 GHz Intel 5300' ... and only kidding But then again ...
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Originally Posted by Zandros
As the 53*0s aren't MP capable, it's impossible.
It's a limitation placed on the chip by Intel when the chip is packaged. From every indication that I can see, Tigerton is supposed to be the four-way version of the same chip, which will get a different series numbering. I don't think the four-socket chipset is available yet.
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I'm beginning to wonder if Jony Ive really does anything to deserve that $1 million per annum...
It might be what they need to do to keep him from working for a competitor. There's a lot of time spent iterating and fine tuning designs such that they are right. It's more than just the look, there's the aspect of manufacturability and assembly as well.
PS: Is anyone actually planning on getting an 8-core Mac Pro? Scratch that! Is anyone planning on using any PC with a Clovertown CPU in it. I don't think I have any programs that can come close to dealing with a 4 core processor.
You don't need any programs that use a 4 core processor. If you're running 8 programs at a time, the OS can assign a core to each of them, so they can run their instructions through the processor without waiting on the instructions of any other program.
New cinema display coming with LED, iSight starting at 22 inches same price as old ones.
I'd think all the Cinema Displays will get an iSight and IR receiver imbedded. Not just the >22" models.
Any word on how the LED displays are beign produced? In other words, will Apple be able to maintain it's current sizing or will they have to move to slightly different sizes to fit thise new manufacturing method.Assuming, of course, this is the route they go in.
Don't give on on NAB yet for another Mac Pro or at least a seriously tricked out one. There has been talk of a $10,000 HD machine to take on high end Avids. The BBC in UK just announced they were moving their HD department over to FCPro... maybe they know something we don't yet.
There's always talk. But, seriously, why would they announce this now, a week before the trade show, and then announce another one then?
We've heard so much about what Apple was waiting for, and now this nebulous timing. We read that Apple will announce on March 27th, when Adobe announced the new CS3. They didn't. Then we read that they will announce during NAB, but they didn't wait for that. We also read that they will announce when CS3 is available later in April, but they didn't wait for that either.
We've even read that they would wait for Leopard.
While I feel as though they will come out with a revised model later this year, once the 45 nm Penyrn comes out, that will be a ways off. This is just the speed bump that Apple used to give us twice year, in the old days, before Moto stopped updating their chips on a regular basis.
They might have been waiting for something, but they seem to have decided to release it now instead. I'm wondering if they are going to want to have the talk at NAB centered around their software releases, and any other hardware they may release instead, the same way they didn't talk about anything else except the iPhone, with a small diversion related to the ATv during Macworld.
This tells me that new Cimena Dispalys w/ an iSight camera and IR receiver are coming soon.
My sentiments, too. I miss the consistency.
PS: Is anyone actually planning on getting an 8-core Mac Pro? Scratch that! Is anyone planning on using any PC with a Clovertown CPU in it. I don't think I have any programs that can come close to dealing with a 4 core processor.
That's really a good question.
If I still had my business, I would be buying some. The reason for that is competition. If the software allows it, any speed gained in rendering tasks is more money in my pocket, and more work can be done in the same time. My competitors will be buying them. As our machines often worked 24 hours a day, cutting time down by 25 to 50% means a lot.
But for the individual, even those who do the same work, it might be different. Depends on just how much time is being spent on these background tasks.
If you need to render, and only have one machine, this would be a money-saver, If you also need to do other work at the same time, and you now have to wait to do it. Those 8 cores could save a lot of hours. Billable hours.
The advantage here is that you can legitimately double bill those hours.
So, if you bill per hour for rendering, or bill per job, and then you bill for other work as well, you can now do both of those tasks at the same time AT FULL SPEED. Thus your hourly income can be doubled, depending on what you are doing. You can then take on more work, or possibly (hopefully), take more time off.
If you don't have that requirement, then this machine is not needed.
Of course, in a few months we will see the Penyrn machine with at least another 30% performance improvement, and possibly other enhancements as well, possibly for less money then this new higher price.
I'm not happy. I'm super glad that Apple released the 8 core today at 3ghz and not 2.66... but they didn't change ANYTHING ELSE. No new graphics cards, no price drops, no standard ram (macbook pro comes with more ram), No new burner options, what the hell apple!?
You're telling me that after 9 months of being released the hardware prices haven't changed at all? Ram hasn't significantly dropped to almost ddr2 prices, no new graphics cards have come out?
Screw this... I have an e6700 laying around... I'll build it myself damnit. Apple just lost a harware sale from me. I'm glad I bought my 2.33mbp cause this is a joke of something I waited for. This is hardly a Rev B machine, more like a Rev A.b machine.
This is a speed bump. That's all. It may possibly be the last machine in the line without a new revision of the mobo, at least.
The new machines will come with Penyrn, later this year.
I'd think all the Cinema Displays will get an iSight and IR receiver imbedded. Not just the >22" models.
Any word on how the LED displays are beign produced? In other words, will Apple be able to maintain it's current sizing or will they have to move to slightly different sizes to fit thise new manufacturing method.Assuming, of course, this is the route they go in.
The push is for higher resolution, Leopard is coming, finer detail at same image (inches) size doe to larger number of dots per inch.
Yes, that is the next cpu, but how long are we going to have to wait for those from now? (that was a rhetorical question).
I feel like apple dragged their feet as long as possible on this... How hard is it to add a graphics card update? (rhetorical).
As I see it there isn't enough time at NAB to do a full blown introduction of a Mac Pro along with all the software, so they saved graphics cards until then to add icing on the cake. They better have because I'm getting more upset by the minute.
Yes, that is the next cpu, but how long are we going to have to wait for those from now? (that was a rhetorical question).
I feel like apple dragged their feet as long as possible on this... How hard is it to add a graphics card update? (rhetorical).
I know you said that it was rhetorical, but it's still a good question.
Why don't we have, at least the 1950 XT? Or, why not the XTX?
I hope they have something in mind for that soon. I really don't like to have Apple make all my choices for me. But, we need more sales. If that happens, we will see cards from third parties again. The problem is that the Mac Pro's are the only machines Apple sells that will take cards. That limits the customer base too much for other companies.
Can anyone say with any degree of accuracy that if you buy a machine now the next gen chips will be socket compatible and thus theoretically a drop in upgrade? or will the next gen 45nm??? chips more than likely by a different sock configuration?
Yes, that is the next cpu, but how long are we going to have to wait for those from now? (that was a rhetorical question).
I feel like apple dragged their feet as long as possible on this... How hard is it to add a graphics card update? (rhetorical).
Since forums make it hard to determine emphasis and indirect meaning, we really need a way to make it clear that we are being sarcastic and rhetoric without the lengthy explanation.
How about a backslash after the question:
Yes, that is the next cpu, but how long are we going to have to wait for those from now?/
As for sarcasm, I vote for tilde before and after the sentence(s):
I'm not happy. I'm super glad that Apple released the 8 core today at 3ghz and not 2.66... but they didn't change ANYTHING ELSE. No new graphics cards, no price drops, no standard ram (macbook pro comes with more ram), No new burner options, what the hell apple!?
You're telling me that after 9 months of being released the hardware prices haven't changed at all? Ram hasn't significantly dropped to almost ddr2 prices, no new graphics cards have come out?
Screw this... I have an e6700 laying around... I'll build it myself damnit. Apple just lost a harware sale from me. I'm glad I bought my 2.33mbp cause this is a joke of something I waited for. This is hardly a Rev B machine, more like a Rev A.b machine.
Agreed that the video card options are unacceptable, but the Fully Buffered ECC Server RAM on the system definitely keeps the ram upgrades more expensive than standard unbuffered non-ecc DDR2 ram.
Can anyone say with any degree of accuracy that if you buy a machine now the next gen chips will be socket compatible and thus theoretically a drop in upgrade? or will the next gen 45nm??? chips more than likely by a different sock configuration?
I can say with 90% certaincy, that they will NOT be compatible drop ins. Supposedly they chipsets are completely chaning for Penyrn. This is supposedly the last of this series of socket 771. They may keep the same socket, but the chipsets won't allow the drop in replacement.
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NAB maybe ... 16 Core + Blu-Ray?
16 cores possible on the XServer, use a bunch of them as Server rendering farm or for collages building super computers. Possible.
Nah on the Blue
I was hoping this would come with a price drop on the other processor configs. Oh, well.
I'm right there with you... 9 months and they only add a config to the top?
I understand that we're not gonna see a higher clock on the woodcrest processors and we're closing in on the next chip generations awfully fast (well who knows when they'll actually find their way in a mac), but no price drop or additional video card options? Kinda weak if you ask me...
Gonna wait till I can get leopard on a Mac Pro before I buy one... don't want to do a clean install on a 2-3 month old setup.
This tells me that new Cimena Dispalys w/ an iSight camera and IR receiver are coming soon.
My sentiments, too. I miss the consistency.
PS: Is anyone actually planning on getting an 8-core Mac Pro? Scratch that! Is anyone planning on using any PC with a Clovertown CPU in it. I don't think I have any programs that can come close to dealing with a 4 core processor.
New cinema display coming with LED, iSight starting at 22 inches same price as old ones.
I meant 4 x '3 GHz Intel 5300' ... and only kidding
As the 53*0s aren't MP capable, it's impossible.
It's a limitation placed on the chip by Intel when the chip is packaged. From every indication that I can see, Tigerton is supposed to be the four-way version of the same chip, which will get a different series numbering. I don't think the four-socket chipset is available yet.
I'm beginning to wonder if Jony Ive really does anything to deserve that $1 million per annum...
It might be what they need to do to keep him from working for a competitor. There's a lot of time spent iterating and fine tuning designs such that they are right. It's more than just the look, there's the aspect of manufacturability and assembly as well.
PS: Is anyone actually planning on getting an 8-core Mac Pro? Scratch that! Is anyone planning on using any PC with a Clovertown CPU in it. I don't think I have any programs that can come close to dealing with a 4 core processor.
You don't need any programs that use a 4 core processor. If you're running 8 programs at a time, the OS can assign a core to each of them, so they can run their instructions through the processor without waiting on the instructions of any other program.
New cinema display coming with LED, iSight starting at 22 inches same price as old ones.
I'd think all the Cinema Displays will get an iSight and IR receiver imbedded. Not just the >22" models.
Any word on how the LED displays are beign produced? In other words, will Apple be able to maintain it's current sizing or will they have to move to slightly different sizes to fit thise new manufacturing method.Assuming, of course, this is the route they go in.
Don't give on on NAB yet for another Mac Pro or at least a seriously tricked out one. There has been talk of a $10,000 HD machine to take on high end Avids. The BBC in UK just announced they were moving their HD department over to FCPro... maybe they know something we don't yet.
There's always talk. But, seriously, why would they announce this now, a week before the trade show, and then announce another one then?
We've heard so much about what Apple was waiting for, and now this nebulous timing. We read that Apple will announce on March 27th, when Adobe announced the new CS3. They didn't. Then we read that they will announce during NAB, but they didn't wait for that. We also read that they will announce when CS3 is available later in April, but they didn't wait for that either.
We've even read that they would wait for Leopard.
While I feel as though they will come out with a revised model later this year, once the 45 nm Penyrn comes out, that will be a ways off. This is just the speed bump that Apple used to give us twice year, in the old days, before Moto stopped updating their chips on a regular basis.
They might have been waiting for something, but they seem to have decided to release it now instead. I'm wondering if they are going to want to have the talk at NAB centered around their software releases, and any other hardware they may release instead, the same way they didn't talk about anything else except the iPhone, with a small diversion related to the ATv during Macworld.
Leopard announcement and Coupon to update the OS X later will be sweet.
This tells me that new Cimena Dispalys w/ an iSight camera and IR receiver are coming soon.
My sentiments, too. I miss the consistency.
PS: Is anyone actually planning on getting an 8-core Mac Pro? Scratch that! Is anyone planning on using any PC with a Clovertown CPU in it. I don't think I have any programs that can come close to dealing with a 4 core processor.
That's really a good question.
If I still had my business, I would be buying some. The reason for that is competition. If the software allows it, any speed gained in rendering tasks is more money in my pocket, and more work can be done in the same time. My competitors will be buying them. As our machines often worked 24 hours a day, cutting time down by 25 to 50% means a lot.
But for the individual, even those who do the same work, it might be different. Depends on just how much time is being spent on these background tasks.
If you need to render, and only have one machine, this would be a money-saver, If you also need to do other work at the same time, and you now have to wait to do it. Those 8 cores could save a lot of hours. Billable hours.
The advantage here is that you can legitimately double bill those hours.
So, if you bill per hour for rendering, or bill per job, and then you bill for other work as well, you can now do both of those tasks at the same time AT FULL SPEED. Thus your hourly income can be doubled, depending on what you are doing. You can then take on more work, or possibly (hopefully), take more time off.
If you don't have that requirement, then this machine is not needed.
Of course, in a few months we will see the Penyrn machine with at least another 30% performance improvement, and possibly other enhancements as well, possibly for less money then this new higher price.
I'm not happy. I'm super glad that Apple released the 8 core today at 3ghz and not 2.66... but they didn't change ANYTHING ELSE. No new graphics cards, no price drops, no standard ram (macbook pro comes with more ram), No new burner options, what the hell apple!?
You're telling me that after 9 months of being released the hardware prices haven't changed at all? Ram hasn't significantly dropped to almost ddr2 prices, no new graphics cards have come out?
Screw this... I have an e6700 laying around... I'll build it myself damnit. Apple just lost a harware sale from me. I'm glad I bought my 2.33mbp cause this is a joke of something I waited for. This is hardly a Rev B machine, more like a Rev A.b machine.
This is a speed bump. That's all. It may possibly be the last machine in the line without a new revision of the mobo, at least.
The new machines will come with Penyrn, later this year.
The big change will be for:
http://news.com.com/Intel+to+add+mem...3-6171411.html
I feel like apple dragged their feet as long as possible on this... How hard is it to add a graphics card update? (rhetorical).
I'm beginning to wonder if Jony Ive really does anything to deserve that $1 million per annum...
Yep, that pretty well is the most stupid thing ever written.
I'd think all the Cinema Displays will get an iSight and IR receiver imbedded. Not just the >22" models.
Any word on how the LED displays are beign produced? In other words, will Apple be able to maintain it's current sizing or will they have to move to slightly different sizes to fit thise new manufacturing method.Assuming, of course, this is the route they go in.
The push is for higher resolution, Leopard is coming, finer detail at same image (inches) size doe to larger number of dots per inch.
Yes, that is the next cpu, but how long are we going to have to wait for those from now? (that was a rhetorical question).
I feel like apple dragged their feet as long as possible on this... How hard is it to add a graphics card update? (rhetorical).
As I see it there isn't enough time at NAB to do a full blown introduction of a Mac Pro along with all the software, so they saved graphics cards until then to add icing on the cake. They better have because I'm getting more upset by the minute.
Yes, that is the next cpu, but how long are we going to have to wait for those from now? (that was a rhetorical question).
I feel like apple dragged their feet as long as possible on this... How hard is it to add a graphics card update? (rhetorical).
I know you said that it was rhetorical, but it's still a good question.
Why don't we have, at least the 1950 XT? Or, why not the XTX?
I hope they have something in mind for that soon. I really don't like to have Apple make all my choices for me. But, we need more sales. If that happens, we will see cards from third parties again. The problem is that the Mac Pro's are the only machines Apple sells that will take cards. That limits the customer base too much for other companies.
Yes, that is the next cpu, but how long are we going to have to wait for those from now? (that was a rhetorical question).
I feel like apple dragged their feet as long as possible on this... How hard is it to add a graphics card update? (rhetorical).
Since forums make it hard to determine emphasis and indirect meaning, we really need a way to make it clear that we are being sarcastic and rhetoric without the lengthy explanation.
How about a backslash after the question:As for sarcasm, I vote for tilde before and after the sentence(s):
I'm not happy. I'm super glad that Apple released the 8 core today at 3ghz and not 2.66... but they didn't change ANYTHING ELSE. No new graphics cards, no price drops, no standard ram (macbook pro comes with more ram), No new burner options, what the hell apple!?
You're telling me that after 9 months of being released the hardware prices haven't changed at all? Ram hasn't significantly dropped to almost ddr2 prices, no new graphics cards have come out?
Screw this... I have an e6700 laying around... I'll build it myself damnit. Apple just lost a harware sale from me. I'm glad I bought my 2.33mbp cause this is a joke of something I waited for. This is hardly a Rev B machine, more like a Rev A.b machine.
Agreed that the video card options are unacceptable, but the Fully Buffered ECC Server RAM on the system definitely keeps the ram upgrades more expensive than standard unbuffered non-ecc DDR2 ram.
Wait for the next OS to buy a workstation.
Glad to see they finally brought the monitors to something reasonable.
Can anyone say with any degree of accuracy that if you buy a machine now the next gen chips will be socket compatible and thus theoretically a drop in upgrade? or will the next gen 45nm??? chips more than likely by a different sock configuration?
I can say with 90% certaincy, that they will NOT be compatible drop ins. Supposedly they chipsets are completely chaning for Penyrn. This is supposedly the last of this series of socket 771. They may keep the same socket, but the chipsets won't allow the drop in replacement.