For those of you who are running Mac OS X, you really owe it to yourself to check out the beta of Safari, Apple's new web browser. I'm using it right now, and I'm quite impressed. The speed is impressive, certainly much, much faster than Internet Explorer, and faster than Netscape and Chimera as well.
You need to be running Mac OS X 10.2 for it to work, but you can grab it here for free:
It is a fairly basic browser, UI-wise, which is actually a good thing, IMHO. There are a few features I'd like to see implemented, but the speed it renders with makes it worth using *now*, despite these omissions:
-- Tabbed browsing; Chimera and Netscape have it, and while I'm not as enamoured with it as some people seem to be, it can be quite handy
-- Spell checking in text fields. With all of the web board postings I do, I'd really like to have Apple's spell check integrated into it. I'm sure this will come
-- Keychain support. Chimera integrates nicely with Apple's keychain for web site passwords; I wish Apple supported its own technology and used this as well
Other than that, everything has been quite nice. Given that it is still a beta, I'm sure we can expect things like the Keychain and Spell Checking to be supported. Tabbed browsing may be something Apple eschews, for simplicity's sake, but we shall see.
All in all, two thumbs up. God, it is so nice to throw Internet Explorer in the trash.
For chimera bookmarks, remember this is iTunes for the web. Drag each bookmark over and put them whereever you want. You can't do more then one but it's a simple drag and drop into the bookmarks menu.
It blocks ALL pop ups tho I hope they allow linked pop ups in the future along with a few other options.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I used the following technique to get a large number of bookmarks from Chimera to Safari using the fact that Safari loads all IE bookmarks on FIRST launch
1) remove Safari references from Preferences and Library
2) in Chimera, Export bookmarks
3) in IE Delete all book marks and import those exported in 2)
4) Launch Safari. All were there.
I like Safar a lot BUT it isn't handling one thing which is critical for me.
I have a lot of manuals, like PHP_Manual, served locally through the Apache server at <a href="http://localhost/Manuals."; target="_blank">http://localhost/Manuals.</a>; When I load the first page all is fine but when I click on a link to go to a sub page Safari drops the 'localhost' and changes Manuals to manuals and I always get a page not found. This also screws up the Adobe manuals with their nice search function, etc. They don't even show up due to the mis-mapping of file locations.
OW bookmark files are just HTML... easy to parse, in theory.
But... Safari has *ZERO* AppleScript support. Shaaaaaaaaaame.
It's a beta, but shaaaaaaaaaame.
Would make it much easier to add bookmarks programatically.
Edit: OTOH, Safari bookmarks file is a plist. Easy to make programmatically. But just not with AppleScript.
But it's in ~/Library/Safari/
Shaaaaaaaaame. Shouldn't that be in either a) ~/Library/Bookmarks/ (and HTML so other browsers can share), or b) in ~/Library/Application Support/Safari/
<strong>I also wish that when you clicked the address bar it would highlight the whole address so you can type a new one without either triple clicking or backspacing to erase the old address before enter the new one. This make sense?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes, but if they do that I'll SCREAM.
One of the hallmarks of the Mac is that the UI is *consistent*.
Quick... in Windows, how do you select a single word of text in a text field? Well, in IE, it's Single click, pause, double click. If it's in the URL field. Otherwise it's double click. If it's Excel, it's double-click... unless it's in the formula field. See what I mean? Bleah.
The URL field is a text field. Single click sets the cursor, double-click selects a word, triple-click selects the line. Consistent.
<strong>KidRed, dragging the links was the first thing I did, but it is quite painful when you have a link library of several thousand that is already nicely organized to keep that bulk painlessly useful. I'm looking for a wholesale import that maintains heirarchical sub-folders.
Try the following I posted earlier. The sub-folders are maintained and you can simply drag them from the IE import to wherever you want.
I used the following technique to get a large number of bookmarks from Chimera to Safari using the fact that Safari loads all IE bookmarks on FIRST launch
1) remove Safari references from Preferences and Library
2) in Chimera, Export bookmarks
3) in IE Delete all book marks and import those exported in 2)
I would bet that they were or now are tying it in with MSN for Mac, and either were or are now planning on making it exclusive for that ISP.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I didn't know that MSN is a service provider. So, will they do something similar like AOL? Providing a unique browser to access their content via dedicated ISP?
<strong>For those of you who are running Mac OS X, you really owe it to yourself to check out the beta of Safari, Apple's new web browser. I'm using it right now, and I'm quite impressed. The speed is impressive, certainly much, much faster than Internet Explorer, and faster than Netscape and Chimera as well.
You need to be running Mac OS X 10.2 for it to work, but you can grab it here for free:
It is a fairly basic browser, UI-wise, which is actually a good thing, IMHO. There are a few features I'd like to see implemented, but the speed it renders with makes it worth using *now*, despite these omissions:
-- Tabbed browsing; Chimera and Netscape have it, and while I'm not as enamoured with it as some people seem to be, it can be quite handy
-- Spell checking in text fields. With all of the web board postings I do, I'd really like to have Apple's spell check integrated into it. I'm sure this will come
-- Keychain support. Chimera integrates nicely with Apple's keychain for web site passwords; I wish Apple supported its own technology and used this as well
Other than that, everything has been quite nice. Given that it is still a beta, I'm sure we can expect things like the Keychain and Spell Checking to be supported. Tabbed browsing may be something Apple eschews, for simplicity's sake, but we shall see.
All in all, two thumbs up. God, it is so nice to throw Internet Explorer in the trash.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Spelling does work in text fileds, surprised you didn't know to choose 'check spelling as you type'. It doesn't stay on all the time, but it does work.
Also, keychain access in intergrrated, I'm not sure why people think it's not. Go to a site, input your pass and then quit Safari. Then relauncha nd go back to that site and the keychain dialog pops up for permission to access keychain.
Little surprised moki
My issues are-
-download manager has no open/save dialog. Everything saves to 1 directory which is very annoying. I'll still have to use Chimera or IE for grabbing graphic content for my web site clients.
-autofill
-pop ups are either on or off. So in the off poisition, a link that pops a window won't work. Quite a few sites will pop a window with linked content (flash sites a lot too) so I can't block pop ups until they add the 'unless clicked by link' option like Chimera.
-spell check is flaky but works, hope they iron that out.
-I'd like a print button.
Otehrwise, for a beta, this thing rocks. It's a .8 release so it's a little further along then Chimera but good enough to become my default browser bye bye IE
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Kicks the crap out of, eh?
Apple software browser is King. And they're only beta...
Lemon Bon Bon <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
<a href="http://lists.kde.org/?l=kfm-devel&m=104197092318639&w=2"; target="_blank">http://lists.kde.org/?l=kfm-devel&m=104197092318639&w=2</a>;
(it also lists the people who made Safari at Apple - interesting people).
Linux crowd seems VERY pleased:
<a href="http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2003-01-07-022-26-OS-KE-SW"; target="_blank">http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2003-01-07-022-26-OS-KE-SW</a>;
I am not particular fond of links that are underlined, and I have not found a way to turn this off in Safari.
Can anyone tell me if I can accomplish this, along with the setting of colors for visited and non visited links, with the use of a Style Sheet?
You need to be running Mac OS X 10.2 for it to work, but you can grab it here for free:
<a href="http://www.apple.com/safari/"; target="_blank">http://www.apple.com/safari/</a>;
It is a fairly basic browser, UI-wise, which is actually a good thing, IMHO. There are a few features I'd like to see implemented, but the speed it renders with makes it worth using *now*, despite these omissions:
-- Tabbed browsing; Chimera and Netscape have it, and while I'm not as enamoured with it as some people seem to be, it can be quite handy
-- Spell checking in text fields. With all of the web board postings I do, I'd really like to have Apple's spell check integrated into it. I'm sure this will come
-- Keychain support. Chimera integrates nicely with Apple's keychain for web site passwords; I wish Apple supported its own technology and used this as well
Other than that, everything has been quite nice. Given that it is still a beta, I'm sure we can expect things like the Keychain and Spell Checking to be supported. Tabbed browsing may be something Apple eschews, for simplicity's sake, but we shall see.
All in all, two thumbs up. God, it is so nice to throw Internet Explorer in the trash.
I love it when you talk dirty, Moki...
Lemon Bon Bon
:cool:
<strong>
For chimera bookmarks, remember this is iTunes for the web. Drag each bookmark over and put them whereever you want. You can't do more then one but it's a simple drag and drop into the bookmarks menu.
It blocks ALL pop ups tho
I used the following technique to get a large number of bookmarks from Chimera to Safari using the fact that Safari loads all IE bookmarks on FIRST launch
1) remove Safari references from Preferences and Library
2) in Chimera, Export bookmarks
3) in IE Delete all book marks and import those exported in 2)
4) Launch Safari. All were there.
I like Safar a lot BUT it isn't handling one thing which is critical for me.
I have a lot of manuals, like PHP_Manual, served locally through the Apache server at <a href="http://localhost/Manuals."; target="_blank">http://localhost/Manuals.</a>; When I load the first page all is fine but when I click on a link to go to a sub page Safari drops the 'localhost' and changes Manuals to manuals and I always get a page not found. This also screws up the Adobe manuals with their nice search function, etc. They don't even show up due to the mis-mapping of file locations.
Simply go to: Edit->Check Spelling as you Type
...and there you go. Not bad; probably should be on by default, though.
even slower than in IE.
i know many people don't like flash,
but it's an essential piece for me!
anybody noticed this?
It looks like I will be sticking with Chimera (0.6 Build ID: 2002112604) for a while.
But... Safari has *ZERO* AppleScript support. Shaaaaaaaaaame.
It's a beta, but shaaaaaaaaaame.
Would make it much easier to add bookmarks programatically.
Edit: OTOH, Safari bookmarks file is a plist. Easy to make programmatically. But just not with AppleScript.
But it's in ~/Library/Safari/
Shaaaaaaaaame. Shouldn't that be in either a) ~/Library/Bookmarks/ (and HTML so other browsers can share), or b) in ~/Library/Application Support/Safari/
[ 01-07-2003: Message edited by: Kickaha ]</p>
<strong>I also wish that when you clicked the address bar it would highlight the whole address so you can type a new one without either triple clicking or backspacing to erase the old address before enter the new one. This make sense?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes, but if they do that I'll SCREAM.
One of the hallmarks of the Mac is that the UI is *consistent*.
Quick... in Windows, how do you select a single word of text in a text field? Well, in IE, it's Single click, pause, double click. If it's in the URL field. Otherwise it's double click. If it's Excel, it's double-click... unless it's in the formula field. See what I mean? Bleah.
The URL field is a text field. Single click sets the cursor, double-click selects a word, triple-click selects the line. Consistent.
I HATE the way IE does it. Hate, hate, hate.
<strong>KidRed, dragging the links was the first thing I did, but it is quite painful when you have a link library of several thousand that is already nicely organized to keep that bulk painlessly useful. I'm looking for a wholesale import that maintains heirarchical sub-folders.
[ 01-07-2003: Message edited by: AirSluf ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Try the following I posted earlier. The sub-folders are maintained and you can simply drag them from the IE import to wherever you want.
I used the following technique to get a large number of bookmarks from Chimera to Safari using the fact that Safari loads all IE bookmarks on FIRST launch
1) remove Safari references from Preferences and Library
2) in Chimera, Export bookmarks
3) in IE Delete all book marks and import those exported in 2)
4) Launch Safari. All were there.
<strong>Not that I couldn't care less what M$ is doing. But will they cease developing Internet Explorer?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I would bet that they were or now are tying it in with MSN for Mac, and either were or are now planning on making it exclusive for that ISP.
[quote]Tabbed browsing may be something Apple eschews, for simplicity's sake, but we shall see.<hr></blockquote>
I could see Apple including this feature, but leaving it off by default. That would seem to be a good compromise.
<strong>
I would bet that they were or now are tying it in with MSN for Mac, and either were or are now planning on making it exclusive for that ISP.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I didn't know that MSN is a service provider. So, will they do something similar like AOL? Providing a unique browser to access their content via dedicated ISP?
<strong>For those of you who are running Mac OS X, you really owe it to yourself to check out the beta of Safari, Apple's new web browser. I'm using it right now, and I'm quite impressed. The speed is impressive, certainly much, much faster than Internet Explorer, and faster than Netscape and Chimera as well.
You need to be running Mac OS X 10.2 for it to work, but you can grab it here for free:
<a href="http://www.apple.com/safari/"; target="_blank">http://www.apple.com/safari/</a>;
It is a fairly basic browser, UI-wise, which is actually a good thing, IMHO. There are a few features I'd like to see implemented, but the speed it renders with makes it worth using *now*, despite these omissions:
-- Tabbed browsing; Chimera and Netscape have it, and while I'm not as enamoured with it as some people seem to be, it can be quite handy
-- Spell checking in text fields. With all of the web board postings I do, I'd really like to have Apple's spell check integrated into it. I'm sure this will come
-- Keychain support. Chimera integrates nicely with Apple's keychain for web site passwords; I wish Apple supported its own technology and used this as well
Other than that, everything has been quite nice. Given that it is still a beta, I'm sure we can expect things like the Keychain and Spell Checking to be supported. Tabbed browsing may be something Apple eschews, for simplicity's sake, but we shall see.
All in all, two thumbs up. God, it is so nice to throw Internet Explorer in the trash.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Spelling does work in text fileds, surprised you didn't know to choose 'check spelling as you type'. It doesn't stay on all the time, but it does work.
Also, keychain access in intergrrated, I'm not sure why people think it's not. Go to a site, input your pass and then quit Safari. Then relauncha nd go back to that site and the keychain dialog pops up for permission to access keychain.
Little surprised moki
My issues are-
-download manager has no open/save dialog. Everything saves to 1 directory which is very annoying. I'll still have to use Chimera or IE for grabbing graphic content for my web site clients.
-autofill
-pop ups are either on or off. So in the off poisition, a link that pops a window won't work. Quite a few sites will pop a window with linked content (flash sites a lot too) so I can't block pop ups until they add the 'unless clicked by link' option like Chimera.
-spell check is flaky but works, hope they iron that out.
-I'd like a print button.
Otehrwise, for a beta, this thing rocks. It's a .8 release so it's a little further along then Chimera but good enough to become my default browser