I wouldn't mind seeing a bit of applescripting thrown in for the creation of presentations and themes. Not to mention batch resizing included photos and sounds which can carry across a series of slides (instead of one sound per slide)
All interesting things I don't think Apple thought of when Steve asked them to cobble it together.
And how much did you pay for the Public Beta of OS10?
Or the official OS10 release?
Or 10.2?
Don't get me wrong, I sincerely wish the first offering of presentation software from Apple had been $50. $50CDN...
I mean, noone in the US would complain about having to spend $30 for the software, would they?
In its current state, I would have preferred it to be a free download to ascertain what people were going to look for when it comes to presentations. There are so many different kinds of users.
There are those who are of the 'Bare Basics" who put minimal text on screen and flesh ou the presentation with running dialogue (Steve Jobs)
There are those who prefer that the slides incorporate everything about the subject so they just have to click the slides and bask in the appreciation of their (usually comatose) audience (Chemistry & physics instructors, Windows managers hoping for the "make it as boring as possible so they will agree to anything so they can leave" variety)
And then there are those who want to make clickable training videos without having to learn flash or acrobat.
Keynote will never replace the unsprechliken (sp?) alternative due to the severe bloat that other product has undergone. It may, hoever, become an integral part of several packages which offer the means to replace it...
No more free applications from Apple. Free with a computer is good. Free overall just makes people expect it for a lifetime. Apple needs new revenue streams and software is where it's at.
I mean, noone in the US would complain about having to spend $30 for the software, would they?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I guess you missed it when apple purportedly bought soundjam and started giving it away with itunes? or ical's greeting? or mail's warm welcome? or iphoto's ovation? get the point? people ALWAYS complain about apple software, even if it's free. we're extremely spoiled computer users, to be sure...
I have used it a fair bit since purchase. Not one crash. The only observation I can make that is negative in connection with the comments on the other board -- it does make fairly large PDF file saves.
I'm very pleased with Keynote and anticipating a stronger and stronger product as it matures. If I didn't know any better I would think some are out there pulling our legs and pitching FUD. By no means would I suggest for a moment that we are beta testing. The product is solid.
Besides. Can anyone recall an occasion where SJs presentation froze or crashed? If it was that rickety he wouldn't use it, you can be sure of that.
<strong>The only observation I can make that is negative in connection with the comments on the other board -- it does make fairly large PDF file saves.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Is this not because Powerpoint uses famously shitty amounts of Jpeg compression?
On another note, how the hell can Keynote be causing kernel panics. What on earth can it possibly be doing? Hardware drivers I can understand, presentation software causing panics makes no sense.
<strong>No more free applications from Apple. Free with a computer is good. Free overall just makes people expect it for a lifetime. Apple needs new revenue streams and software is where it's at.</strong><hr></blockquote>
No one's going to pay good money for bad software. Had I bought Keynote and had all those problems I would have demanded a refund.
I read this and founf it to be a bit over the top. Having read this board, spoken with may Dad (who has it and is using it), and having bought and used it myself (a LITTLE). I have not seen nor heard fo this level of trouble. Not saying it doesn't exist, just seems very lopsided reporting.
I did have Keynote hang my machine after playing a slide show. Once. But not the "alpha" level of problems mentioned in this article.
The burden is probably on Omni, but with the (supposedly open, XML-based) file format of Keynote, a new "export" option from OmniOutliner to Keynote cannot be far off.
Cooler still would be a drag and drop solution (i.e., I cab drag an OmniOutliner document into Keynote and it become a presentation (or is added to the current presentation). This seems like the least likely scenario of the two.
[ 01-21-2003: Message edited by: Chris Cuilla ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, you called it. Omnioutliner has been updated and this feature has been added. Good call.
People have reported some seemingly drastic if unusual problems, not only the PC Pro link above, but Apple's own support board seems split between those with great experiences, those who expect more from it (though at version 1, this might not be as valid), and those whose experience has been near catastrophic. I suspect some of the problems are Apple's fault, like the gigantic PDF and PPT output, but others are suspicious, like kernel panics.
Anyway, This is the first time I've really though about this even though it appies to earlier software they made. Apple should consider having a free, if "crippleware" demo version of apps like this one. I suspect the second group I mentioned that's dissapointed with the app's features would be much smaller, or at least less upset if they could take it for a test drive first. I've come to take this for granted with other applications. I didn't even consider Corel Graphics Suite because it didn't have any trial version, not even a thorough overview like Keynote at least has. If there's one great thing about having a developer community that mostly exists online, it's that trialware is frequent and in general the shareware community keeps its promises on both ends. I think this attitude, or expectation from users is starting to sink into some larger developers. That probably means Apple will do this sometime after Quark adopts this policy, which is to say when hell freezes over.
<strong>... which is to say when hell freezes over. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, it's pretty cold up here in Edmonton, and it's not too far from being a hellish place (I work less than two miles from several dozen refineries... Th fog and flames from there add to the feeling of Lucifer-land.)
Maybe we will see a trial version sometime soon...
a 1.0.2 revision to downsample for <8MB VRAM would allow thousands of Pismo, Ti Rev A, and early iBook users to shift from angry refund-seeker mode to contented camper status.
seems to lack full QT support, of all ironies
(less .swf support than other QT apps, for example)
Don't know if anyone else has tried this, but I created a QT movie of a 360 degree spinning chair with alpha channel and Keynote automatically keyed it over my background. All the built-in transitions (even the bounce) worked flawlessly. That alone gives me a big boner for this app.
Where did you see this? I just went up to <a href="http://www.omnigroup.com/"; target="_blank">http://www.omnigroup.com/</a>; and found nothing new. Version 2.1.1 (which has been around for a while).</strong><hr></blockquote>
I've got a major presentation to edit next week . . . I guess PowerPoint is off of life support.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
There may be an issue with running Keynote with Classic running in the background. It may affect the minimum requirements for VRAM.
The reporting done so far (and I have read only three articles) has been full of poor quotes from many days ago, some of which have been resolved.
If you are considering a major presentation next week, and have a copy of Keynote, then try it first. Don't forget to make a Quicktime movie of it to have on hand 'just in case' and by all means save it to Powerpoint as a final backup.
Just because some reporter surfed a website which had complaints and reported it is no reason to throw your hands up in the air and run away screaming.
If you have it. Try it. Form your own opinion. For ever complainer on the Apple site there are more people who have been using it without a hitch.
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All interesting things I don't think Apple thought of when Steve asked them to cobble it together.
<strong>My experience has been fine, but read <a href="http://www.pcpro.co.uk/?http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/news_story.php?id=37272"; target="_blank">HERE.</a></strong><hr></blockquote>
ouch! :eek: $100 for this alpha release
Or the official OS10 release?
Or 10.2?
Don't get me wrong, I sincerely wish the first offering of presentation software from Apple had been $50. $50CDN...
I mean, noone in the US would complain about having to spend $30 for the software, would they?
In its current state, I would have preferred it to be a free download to ascertain what people were going to look for when it comes to presentations. There are so many different kinds of users.
There are those who are of the 'Bare Basics" who put minimal text on screen and flesh ou the presentation with running dialogue (Steve Jobs)
There are those who prefer that the slides incorporate everything about the subject so they just have to click the slides and bask in the appreciation of their (usually comatose) audience (Chemistry & physics instructors, Windows managers hoping for the "make it as boring as possible so they will agree to anything so they can leave" variety)
And then there are those who want to make clickable training videos without having to learn flash or acrobat.
Keynote will never replace the unsprechliken (sp?) alternative due to the severe bloat that other product has undergone. It may, hoever, become an integral part of several packages which offer the means to replace it...
eventually.
I mean, noone in the US would complain about having to spend $30 for the software, would they?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I guess you missed it when apple purportedly bought soundjam and started giving it away with itunes? or ical's greeting? or mail's warm welcome? or iphoto's ovation? get the point? people ALWAYS complain about apple software, even if it's free. we're extremely spoiled computer users, to be sure...
I'm very pleased with Keynote and anticipating a stronger and stronger product as it matures. If I didn't know any better I would think some are out there pulling our legs and pitching FUD. By no means would I suggest for a moment that we are beta testing. The product is solid.
Besides. Can anyone recall an occasion where SJs presentation froze or crashed? If it was that rickety he wouldn't use it, you can be sure of that.
[ 01-22-2003: Message edited by: appletothecore ]</p>
<strong>The only observation I can make that is negative in connection with the comments on the other board -- it does make fairly large PDF file saves.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Is this not because Powerpoint uses famously shitty amounts of Jpeg compression?
On another note, how the hell can Keynote be causing kernel panics. What on earth can it possibly be doing? Hardware drivers I can understand, presentation software causing panics makes no sense.
Very bad!
<strong>No more free applications from Apple. Free with a computer is good. Free overall just makes people expect it for a lifetime. Apple needs new revenue streams and software is where it's at.</strong><hr></blockquote>
No one's going to pay good money for bad software. Had I bought Keynote and had all those problems I would have demanded a refund.
<strong>My experience has been fine, but read <a href="http://www.pcpro.co.uk/?http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/news_story.php?id=37272"; target="_blank">HERE.</a></strong><hr></blockquote>
I read this and founf it to be a bit over the top. Having read this board, spoken with may Dad (who has it and is using it), and having bought and used it myself (a LITTLE). I have not seen nor heard fo this level of trouble. Not saying it doesn't exist, just seems very lopsided reporting.
I did have Keynote hang my machine after playing a slide show. Once. But not the "alpha" level of problems mentioned in this article.
<strong>You know what is begging for integration?
OmniOutliner and Keynote!
The burden is probably on Omni, but with the (supposedly open, XML-based) file format of Keynote, a new "export" option from OmniOutliner to Keynote cannot be far off.
Cooler still would be a drag and drop solution (i.e., I cab drag an OmniOutliner document into Keynote and it become a presentation (or is added to the current presentation). This seems like the least likely scenario of the two.
[ 01-21-2003: Message edited by: Chris Cuilla ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, you called it. Omnioutliner has been updated and this feature has been added. Good call.
Anyway, This is the first time I've really though about this even though it appies to earlier software they made. Apple should consider having a free, if "crippleware" demo version of apps like this one. I suspect the second group I mentioned that's dissapointed with the app's features would be much smaller, or at least less upset if they could take it for a test drive first. I've come to take this for granted with other applications. I didn't even consider Corel Graphics Suite because it didn't have any trial version, not even a thorough overview like Keynote at least has. If there's one great thing about having a developer community that mostly exists online, it's that trialware is frequent and in general the shareware community keeps its promises on both ends. I think this attitude, or expectation from users is starting to sink into some larger developers. That probably means Apple will do this sometime after Quark adopts this policy, which is to say when hell freezes over.
<strong>... which is to say when hell freezes over.
Well, it's pretty cold up here in Edmonton, and it's not too far from being a hellish place (I work less than two miles from several dozen refineries... Th fog and flames from there add to the feeling of Lucifer-land.)
Maybe we will see a trial version sometime soon...
a 1.0.2 revision to downsample for <8MB VRAM would allow thousands of Pismo, Ti Rev A, and early iBook users to shift from angry refund-seeker mode to contented camper status.
seems to lack full QT support, of all ironies
(less .swf support than other QT apps, for example)
bug fixes and a time bombed demo version, please
Apple had 10.2.4 on several systems at Macworld, right?
Could they have tested the program with only that system?
Could the (rumored) next version of he system (rumored to be out by the end of the month) include several fixes for Keynote?
I mean, if it is a driver problem, that would be the best time to release a patch, wouldn't it?
<strong>
Well, you called it. Omnioutliner has been updated and this feature has been added. Good call.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Where did you see this? I just went up to <a href="http://www.omnigroup.com/"; target="_blank">http://www.omnigroup.com/</a>; and found nothing new. Version 2.1.1 (which has been around for a while).
<strong>
Where did you see this? I just went up to <a href="http://www.omnigroup.com/"; target="_blank">http://www.omnigroup.com/</a>; and found nothing new. Version 2.1.1 (which has been around for a while).</strong><hr></blockquote>
I saw it on versiontracker. <a href="http://versiontracker.com/moreinfo.fcgi?id=8610&db=mac"; target="_blank">here.</a> It's only a beta of 2.2, but they are definitely incorporating it.
I've got a major presentation to edit next week . . . I guess PowerPoint is off of life support.
[ 01-23-2003: Message edited by: jaske ]</p>
<strong>More bad <a href="http://news.com.com/2100-1040-981729.html?tag=fd_top"; target="_blank">press.</a>
I've got a major presentation to edit next week . . . I guess PowerPoint is off of life support.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
There may be an issue with running Keynote with Classic running in the background. It may affect the minimum requirements for VRAM.
The reporting done so far (and I have read only three articles) has been full of poor quotes from many days ago, some of which have been resolved.
If you are considering a major presentation next week, and have a copy of Keynote, then try it first. Don't forget to make a Quicktime movie of it to have on hand 'just in case' and by all means save it to Powerpoint as a final backup.
Just because some reporter surfed a website which had complaints and reported it is no reason to throw your hands up in the air and run away screaming.
If you have it. Try it. Form your own opinion. For ever complainer on the Apple site there are more people who have been using it without a hitch.