Ok, you've got the wrong WWDC keynote. The keynote that he mentioned the "secret features" in was from 2006. He later said that there were ten, but at about 29:25 into the keynote, he says quite clearly that there are "secret features". He even assures the audience (to laughter) that they are there. Watch it yourself.
The original article seems on point - the introduction of Core Animation and a few new GUI paradigms are going to make this a radical update, even if Jobs running Minesweeper would have drawn more intial oohs and aahs. Vista and most of its applications are about to look 10 years out of date, especially if iLife and iWork get the royal Core Animation treatment.
Incidentally, I love the new Safari effects, even if I still have complaints about the browser. Also, I think it's a huge plus in the near term that Windows developers will have no excuse to NOT test for Safari compatibility and will have more angry Safari surfers to give them "feedback" - especially with the increasing importance of web apps, it's important that the Mac's standard browser has %100 compatibility. A lot of business could depend on this in the next few years, so I don't think the Safari port is a pure iPhone move.
Well, a top reason not to show hardware would be if that they don't have any to show. However, they could reasonably at least speed-bump the Mini and/or the iMac to Santa Rosa.
Of course! That's the problem. They had nothing to show.
After last year's big splash, with both the Mac Pro, and the intel XServe, we were expecting SOMETHING.
Perhaps they should have held the MBP's for the show. It's not as though the presentation was all that long.
Normally, I'm against holding products for shows, but as they came so close together, I think they should have done it.
Indeed, there has been some Macworld aura to past WWDC-- if you go back and look at hem you will see why there was a need to introduce products as well as focus on application development. This year we seem to be back on track. I am guessing that more frequent events will be the order of the day as it is not possible for Apple to only have two events a year and deal with everything the company seems to have going.
As for ZFS, I read that article too and it means nothing. Of course Apple is interested in all sorts of technologies that are going to advance the company's products. Doesn't mean now or even soon for many. So again, the possibility gets turned into a fact, and then bitter tears! it is quite funny. I love reading this stuff on here-- it is perfect couch and Prozac stuff! ZFS though, will almost certainly turn up in OSX-- perhaps sooner than you think!
It doesn't mean "nothing". It means that Apple has been, at the very least, taking a good look at more advanced file systems to replace its own old, not very suited to modern computer OSes, file system. The justly critizised HFS+.
Did I say that it was old?
I wouldn't be at all surprised if ZDS does replace HFS+, possibly modified in some way by Apple.
Ok, you've got the wrong WWDC keynote. The keynote that he mentioned the "secret features" in was from 2006. He later said that there were ten, but at about 29:25 into the keynote, he says quite clearly that there are "secret features". He even assures the audience (to laughter) that they are there. Watch it yourself.
"top ten" and "top secret" are not quite the same thing. i think he somehow merged the idea and came up with "top ten secret"...
one too many reruns of americas funniest home videos for him
He didn't say ten at last years keynote, but he did mention that number soon after in an interview. Finding which one is a different matter, as it was almost a year ago. But, Alabaster is objecting to the "secret" concept, though now that I've provided proof of that, he may deny it.
Interesting that almost no one's discussing the article itself -- which hits the nail on the head: the emergence of a mostly well-conceived multi-device/multi-use Apple iCology where everything is synergistic. This is part of what's propelling Apple from near-death into being one of the corporate big boys on the planet. And emblematic of the Compulsive from Cupertino's driving vision since at least the days of Lisa.
Being an X-Box fiend does nada to prepare you for dealing with MyComputer, nor is accessing the net on most cell phones eased by being well-conversant with Internet Explorer. Etc., etc. But if you can find things on iTunes for Win, and shake and bake with Safari for Win, now you already know lots about using a Mac and an iPhone!
Perspective -- pulling back and thinking about the big picture -- is a good mental exercise, guys.
Ok, you've got the wrong WWDC keynote. The keynote that he mentioned the "secret features" in was from 2006. He later said that there were ten, but at about 29:25 into the keynote, he says quite clearly that there are "secret features". He even assures the audience (to laughter) that they are there. Watch it yourself.
Not one of the references that you site refer to any thing that Appleactually stated. Everything, except for the last references is basically hearsay. Said or implied by others, but not one states that Apple is going to reveal ten secrets at this years WWDC.
As for last years keynote, this is exactly what he did say at the "about 29:25" into the keynote:
"And today, we want give you a preview of Leopard. So let me start off with some that we can't (audience laughs) show you. There's some top secret features of Leopard that we are going to keep a little close to the vest that we are not going to show you today. I just want you to know that they are there.…
There is no argument that there were 'secret' features in Leopard. However, to suggest that Apple ever said that they were going to reveal 'ten' (or any other number) at this conference, well that is another matter.
That's fair comment but ultimately I'd still stand by the figure that only about 5% of Mac users have a desire to run Windows on their Macs and that the feature is being overhyped by analysts.
I don't know if the number of users of Bootcamp fully indicate its importance. For example, my sister-in-law just bought a MacBook after years of owning and complaining about windows crap. I've been giving her the speech for years and she has ooohed and aaaaahed over my powerbook for years. It wasn't until she heard she could run Windows on the Intel Macs that she actually bought one.
I will guarantee that she will never download Bootcamp. And she is even less likely to install or use it. But that doesn't mean that it was unimportant. It was a mental safety-net that enabled her to feel comfortable switching.
Yeah, well then you and your like don't know what you are talking about. And if you say he said that he was going to show the ten secret features at the WWDC 07 keynote best you get your friggin head out of your ass.
Ohno Absterdualcore! You're turning into a Wilco! I advice you to immediately 1/ stop eating sugar and 2/ stop drinking coffee! Get peaceful asa you can and hug the ones you love
I am a PowerPC and PC user. I am using both at the moment as I need to run 1 PC only design program. I am willing to get myself an Intel Mac asa the Boot thing isn't Beta and the MBP has got a magnetic latch (yes, I know, silly me, but it does matter to me)!
Not one of the references that you site refer to any thing that Appleactually stated. Everything, except for the last references is basically hearsay. Said or implied by others, but not one states that Apple is going to reveal ten secrets at this years WWDC.
As for last years keynote, this is exactly what he did say at the "about 29:25" into the keynote:
"And today, we want give you a preview of Leopard. So let me start off with some that we can't (audience laughs) show you. There's some top secret features of Leopard that we are going to keep a little close to the vest that we are not going to show you today. I just want you to know that they are there.…
There is no argument that there were 'secret' features in Leopard. However, to suggest that Apple ever said that they were going to reveal 'ten' (or any other number) at this conference, well that is another matter.
You're wrong again.
You've been denying that he said "secret", which he did. I also said that he didn't say the number there. Why would I say that, when I knew what he had said? I did provide the proof.
All you talk about is that he mentioned "300 features". He always mentions some large number. For Tiger, he said 250.
That wasn't the point.
None of the references I gave were hearsay, since they were correct, and backed up by the video itself.
Heresay is only when there is no confirming information.
I merely put them in to show that there have been references to these "secret features" since last year, as they have been in this very current thread, by many more people than me.
I didn't think you would be willing to admit that you were wrong.
But if you can find things on iTunes for Win, and shake and bake with Safari for Win, now you already know lots about using a Mac and an iPhone!
I don't see massive adoption of Safari. There are things that run in IE that doesn't in Safari unless MS decides to play ball. That doesn't seem too likely even if they say Silverlight will be supported on the Mac.
For example you can run Virtual Earth 3D in firefox but not Safari. Heck the 2D ajax based live local search doesn't work in Safari.
Its fun to run a bit but for daily use I'll likely stay with IE7 and Firefox for development.
You've been denying that he said "secret", which he did. I also said that he didn't say the number there. Why would I say that, when I knew what he had said? I did provide the proof.
All you talk about is that he mentioned "300 features". He always mentions some large number. For Tiger, he said 250.
That wasn't the point.
None of the references I gave were hearsay, since they were correct, and backed up by the video itself.
Heresay is only when there is no confirming information.
I merely put them in to show that there have been references to these "secret features" since last year, as they have been in this very current thread, by many more people than me.
I didn't think you would be willing to admit that you were wrong.
I called you on (your posting #5) which reads:
"Bdj21ya, I disagree with you, and I agree with him.
While he may have gotten the physical situation wrong, his financial predictions have been good for the last few years.
This was a very underwhelming intro by Jobs. I was expecting some major information.
What happened to those ten secret features? We had maybe five that were not really all that major. The others we already knew about.
No information about the underpinnings of the OS. No word at all about ZFS. Nothing.
No hardware at all. This convention has taken on a look of a Macworld since the one here in New York/Boston has gone. We do expect to see something."
I never denied that there were secret features anywhere in this discussion. I denied the reference to the "ten." As far as we are concerned we now know that there are 300 new features in Leopard. Ten which Steve disclosed last year and a few more on Monday. So until we open and do some exploring and due diligence, everything else in Leopard is still a secret so to speak.
There is no argument that there were 'secret' features in Leopard. However, to suggest that Apple ever said that they were going to reveal 'ten' (or any other number) at this conference, well that is another matter.
The exact number was not specified, and IMO the number is less important than the potential scope of the features. Jobs talked about so called "Top Secret" features, to generate more hype or something, sorta implying (at least in people's minds) that huge changes were waiting in the wings and that MS would quickly copy said features if they were revealed. Given the secrecy surrounding Apple, all the rumors, the insane amount of hype, and the usual low blow at Microsoft, people were expecting more, they are underwhelmed because Apple didn't reinvent the wheel with a ZFS file system, a 3D-Finder, multi-touch, whatever. The promised secrets were humble features?
Don't do this, Steve! Ah crap, too late? Always playing with fire, huh?
"Bdj21ya, I disagree with you, and I agree with him.
While he may have gotten the physical situation wrong, his financial predictions have been good for the last few years.
This was a very underwhelming intro by Jobs. I was expecting some major information.
What happened to those ten secret features? We had maybe five that were not really all that major. The others we already knew about.
No information about the underpinnings of the OS. No word at all about ZFS. Nothing.
No hardware at all. This convention has taken on a look of a Macworld since the one here in New York/Boston has gone. We do expect to see something."
I never denied that there were secret features anywhere in this discussion. I denied the reference to the "ten." As far as we are concerned we now know that there are 300 new features in Leopard. Ten which Steve disclosed last year and a few more on Monday. So until we open and do some exploring and due diligence, everything else in Leopard is still a secret so to speak.
Look, I'm tired of this. Let's call it a day, all right?
I denied the reference to the "ten." As far as we are concerned we now know that there are 300 new features in Leopard. Ten which Steve disclosed last year and a few more on Monday. So until we open and do some exploring and due diligence, everything else in Leopard is still a secret so to speak.
As I said earlier, it was well know that secret features of Leopard were to be revealed at WWDC07. When SJ got on stage and said there were 300 new features and I'm gonna show 10, most assumed these were the 'secret features'. Look at this thread
The exact number was not specified, and IMO the number is less important than the potential scope of the features. Jobs talked about so called "Top Secret" features, to generate more hype or something, sorta implying (at least in people's minds) that huge changes were waiting in the wings and that MS would quickly copy said features if they were revealed. Given the secrecy surrounding Apple, all the rumors, the insane amount of hype, and the usual low blow at Microsoft, people were expecting more, they are underwhelmed because Apple didn't reinvent the wheel with a ZFS file system, a 3D-Finder, multi-touch, whatever. The promised secrets were humble features?
Yeah, kind of reminds me of the WWDC several years ago, where they trumpeted up something spectacular, and we got .... a new imac, that everyone expected.
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I do agree that A2C is getting a little too aggressive, but I don't remember there being a claim of ten or any specific number of secret features.
You are right.
Jobs said, "Its (Leopard) got 300 new features. And this morning I get to show you ten of them."
It's not hard to expect ten secret features.
1) MW 07 Jobs said there were secret features they couldn't reveal for fear of the competition coping them. They would be revealed at WWDC.
No he didn't.
Yeah, well then you and your like don't know what you are talking about.
And if you say he said that he was going to show the ten secret features at the WWDC 07 keynote best you get your friggin head out of your ass.
Ref: http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/d7625zs/event/ at the 00:16:24 mark.
Man, you really are in a swamp, aren't you?
Jobs referred to "secret features", and you're the only one who doesn't know. That's rich. The 2007 WWDC isn't where he said it.
There are plenty of places that have commented on it, other than here.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/index.php?blogthis=1&p=259
http://www.apple-x.net/node/606
Even from here, we've all heard of it.
http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=65582
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...ard_delay.html
Ok, you've got the wrong WWDC keynote. The keynote that he mentioned the "secret features" in was from 2006. He later said that there were ten, but at about 29:25 into the keynote, he says quite clearly that there are "secret features". He even assures the audience (to laughter) that they are there. Watch it yourself.
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc06/
Incidentally, I love the new Safari effects, even if I still have complaints about the browser. Also, I think it's a huge plus in the near term that Windows developers will have no excuse to NOT test for Safari compatibility and will have more angry Safari surfers to give them "feedback" - especially with the increasing importance of web apps, it's important that the Mac's standard browser has %100 compatibility. A lot of business could depend on this in the next few years, so I don't think the Safari port is a pure iPhone move.
Well, a top reason not to show hardware would be if that they don't have any to show. However, they could reasonably at least speed-bump the Mini and/or the iMac to Santa Rosa.
Of course! That's the problem. They had nothing to show.
After last year's big splash, with both the Mac Pro, and the intel XServe, we were expecting SOMETHING.
Perhaps they should have held the MBP's for the show. It's not as though the presentation was all that long.
Normally, I'm against holding products for shows, but as they came so close together, I think they should have done it.
Indeed, there has been some Macworld aura to past WWDC-- if you go back and look at hem you will see why there was a need to introduce products as well as focus on application development. This year we seem to be back on track. I am guessing that more frequent events will be the order of the day as it is not possible for Apple to only have two events a year and deal with everything the company seems to have going.
As for ZFS, I read that article too and it means nothing. Of course Apple is interested in all sorts of technologies that are going to advance the company's products. Doesn't mean now or even soon for many. So again, the possibility gets turned into a fact, and then bitter tears! it is quite funny. I love reading this stuff on here-- it is perfect couch and Prozac stuff! ZFS though, will almost certainly turn up in OSX-- perhaps sooner than you think!
It doesn't mean "nothing". It means that Apple has been, at the very least, taking a good look at more advanced file systems to replace its own old, not very suited to modern computer OSes, file system. The justly critizised HFS+.
Did I say that it was old?
I wouldn't be at all surprised if ZDS does replace HFS+, possibly modified in some way by Apple.
Man, you really are in a swamp, aren't you?
Jobs referred to "secret features", and you're the only one who doesn't know. That's rich. The 2007 WWDC isn't where he said it.
There are plenty of places that have commented on it, other than here.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/index.php?blogthis=1&p=259
http://www.apple-x.net/node/606
Even from here, we've all heard of it.
http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=65582
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...ard_delay.html
Ok, you've got the wrong WWDC keynote. The keynote that he mentioned the "secret features" in was from 2006. He later said that there were ten, but at about 29:25 into the keynote, he says quite clearly that there are "secret features". He even assures the audience (to laughter) that they are there. Watch it yourself.
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc06/
Thanks Mel, I don't have the time to look that up.
"top ten" and "top secret" are not quite the same thing. i think he somehow merged the idea and came up with "top ten secret"...
one too many reruns of americas funniest home videos for him
He didn't say ten at last years keynote, but he did mention that number soon after in an interview. Finding which one is a different matter, as it was almost a year ago. But, Alabaster is objecting to the "secret" concept, though now that I've provided proof of that, he may deny it.
Thanks Mel, I don't have the time to look that up.
I couldn't find it on Apple's site. I had to look it up on Google, even though it WAS on Apple's site.
Every time I typed WWDC 2006 keynote, all I got was articles from About what the keynote would be about, or notes on the program
Being an X-Box fiend does nada to prepare you for dealing with MyComputer, nor is accessing the net on most cell phones eased by being well-conversant with Internet Explorer. Etc., etc. But if you can find things on iTunes for Win, and shake and bake with Safari for Win, now you already know lots about using a Mac and an iPhone!
Perspective -- pulling back and thinking about the big picture -- is a good mental exercise, guys.
Man, you really are in a swamp, aren't you?
Jobs referred to "secret features", and you're the only one who doesn't know. That's rich. The 2007 WWDC isn't where he said it.
There are plenty of places that have commented on it, other than here.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/index.php?blogthis=1&p=259
http://www.apple-x.net/node/606
Even from here, we've all heard of it.
http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=65582
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...ard_delay.html
Ok, you've got the wrong WWDC keynote. The keynote that he mentioned the "secret features" in was from 2006. He later said that there were ten, but at about 29:25 into the keynote, he says quite clearly that there are "secret features". He even assures the audience (to laughter) that they are there. Watch it yourself.
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc06/
Not one of the references that you site refer to any thing that Appleactually stated. Everything, except for the last references is basically hearsay. Said or implied by others, but not one states that Apple is going to reveal ten secrets at this years WWDC.
As for last years keynote, this is exactly what he did say at the "about 29:25" into the keynote:
"And today, we want give you a preview of Leopard. So let me start off with some that we can't (audience laughs) show you. There's some top secret features of Leopard that we are going to keep a little close to the vest that we are not going to show you today. I just want you to know that they are there.…
There is no argument that there were 'secret' features in Leopard. However, to suggest that Apple ever said that they were going to reveal 'ten' (or any other number) at this conference, well that is another matter.
That's fair comment but ultimately I'd still stand by the figure that only about 5% of Mac users have a desire to run Windows on their Macs and that the feature is being overhyped by analysts.
I don't know if the number of users of Bootcamp fully indicate its importance. For example, my sister-in-law just bought a MacBook after years of owning and complaining about windows crap. I've been giving her the speech for years and she has ooohed and aaaaahed over my powerbook for years. It wasn't until she heard she could run Windows on the Intel Macs that she actually bought one.
I will guarantee that she will never download Bootcamp. And she is even less likely to install or use it. But that doesn't mean that it was unimportant. It was a mental safety-net that enabled her to feel comfortable switching.
I suspect that this is not an isolated incident.
Yeah, well then you and your like don't know what you are talking about. And if you say he said that he was going to show the ten secret features at the WWDC 07 keynote best you get your friggin head out of your ass.
I am a PowerPC and PC user. I am using both at the moment as I need to run 1 PC only design program. I am willing to get myself an Intel Mac asa the Boot thing isn't Beta and the MBP has got a magnetic latch (yes, I know, silly me, but it does matter to me)!
Not one of the references that you site refer to any thing that Appleactually stated. Everything, except for the last references is basically hearsay. Said or implied by others, but not one states that Apple is going to reveal ten secrets at this years WWDC.
As for last years keynote, this is exactly what he did say at the "about 29:25" into the keynote:
"And today, we want give you a preview of Leopard. So let me start off with some that we can't (audience laughs) show you. There's some top secret features of Leopard that we are going to keep a little close to the vest that we are not going to show you today. I just want you to know that they are there.…
There is no argument that there were 'secret' features in Leopard. However, to suggest that Apple ever said that they were going to reveal 'ten' (or any other number) at this conference, well that is another matter.
You're wrong again.
You've been denying that he said "secret", which he did. I also said that he didn't say the number there. Why would I say that, when I knew what he had said? I did provide the proof.
All you talk about is that he mentioned "300 features". He always mentions some large number. For Tiger, he said 250.
That wasn't the point.
None of the references I gave were hearsay, since they were correct, and backed up by the video itself.
Heresay is only when there is no confirming information.
I merely put them in to show that there have been references to these "secret features" since last year, as they have been in this very current thread, by many more people than me.
I didn't think you would be willing to admit that you were wrong.
But if you can find things on iTunes for Win, and shake and bake with Safari for Win, now you already know lots about using a Mac and an iPhone!
I don't see massive adoption of Safari. There are things that run in IE that doesn't in Safari unless MS decides to play ball. That doesn't seem too likely even if they say Silverlight will be supported on the Mac.
For example you can run Virtual Earth 3D in firefox but not Safari. Heck the 2D ajax based live local search doesn't work in Safari.
Its fun to run a bit but for daily use I'll likely stay with IE7 and Firefox for development.
Vinea
You're wrong again.
You've been denying that he said "secret", which he did. I also said that he didn't say the number there. Why would I say that, when I knew what he had said? I did provide the proof.
All you talk about is that he mentioned "300 features". He always mentions some large number. For Tiger, he said 250.
That wasn't the point.
None of the references I gave were hearsay, since they were correct, and backed up by the video itself.
Heresay is only when there is no confirming information.
I merely put them in to show that there have been references to these "secret features" since last year, as they have been in this very current thread, by many more people than me.
I didn't think you would be willing to admit that you were wrong.
I called you on (your posting #5) which reads:
"Bdj21ya, I disagree with you, and I agree with him.
While he may have gotten the physical situation wrong, his financial predictions have been good for the last few years.
This was a very underwhelming intro by Jobs. I was expecting some major information.
What happened to those ten secret features? We had maybe five that were not really all that major. The others we already knew about.
No information about the underpinnings of the OS. No word at all about ZFS. Nothing.
No hardware at all. This convention has taken on a look of a Macworld since the one here in New York/Boston has gone. We do expect to see something."
I never denied that there were secret features anywhere in this discussion. I denied the reference to the "ten." As far as we are concerned we now know that there are 300 new features in Leopard. Ten which Steve disclosed last year and a few more on Monday. So until we open and do some exploring and due diligence, everything else in Leopard is still a secret so to speak.
There is no argument that there were 'secret' features in Leopard. However, to suggest that Apple ever said that they were going to reveal 'ten' (or any other number) at this conference, well that is another matter.
The exact number was not specified, and IMO the number is less important than the potential scope of the features. Jobs talked about so called "Top Secret" features, to generate more hype or something, sorta implying (at least in people's minds) that huge changes were waiting in the wings and that MS would quickly copy said features if they were revealed. Given the secrecy surrounding Apple, all the rumors, the insane amount of hype, and the usual low blow at Microsoft, people were expecting more, they are underwhelmed because Apple didn't reinvent the wheel with a ZFS file system, a 3D-Finder, multi-touch, whatever. The promised secrets were humble features?
Don't do this, Steve! Ah crap, too late? Always playing with fire, huh?
I called you on (your posting #5) which reads:
"Bdj21ya, I disagree with you, and I agree with him.
While he may have gotten the physical situation wrong, his financial predictions have been good for the last few years.
This was a very underwhelming intro by Jobs. I was expecting some major information.
What happened to those ten secret features? We had maybe five that were not really all that major. The others we already knew about.
No information about the underpinnings of the OS. No word at all about ZFS. Nothing.
No hardware at all. This convention has taken on a look of a Macworld since the one here in New York/Boston has gone. We do expect to see something."
I never denied that there were secret features anywhere in this discussion. I denied the reference to the "ten." As far as we are concerned we now know that there are 300 new features in Leopard. Ten which Steve disclosed last year and a few more on Monday. So until we open and do some exploring and due diligence, everything else in Leopard is still a secret so to speak.
Look, I'm tired of this. Let's call it a day, all right?
And please, no more insults.
I denied the reference to the "ten." As far as we are concerned we now know that there are 300 new features in Leopard. Ten which Steve disclosed last year and a few more on Monday. So until we open and do some exploring and due diligence, everything else in Leopard is still a secret so to speak.
As I said earlier, it was well know that secret features of Leopard were to be revealed at WWDC07. When SJ got on stage and said there were 300 new features and I'm gonna show 10, most assumed these were the 'secret features'. Look at this thread
http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=75345
and this:
http://www.macworld.com/weblogs/edit...reax/index.php
Obviously you were not disaapointed by the keynote. Your expectations must have been a lot lower than everyone else's'.
The exact number was not specified, and IMO the number is less important than the potential scope of the features. Jobs talked about so called "Top Secret" features, to generate more hype or something, sorta implying (at least in people's minds) that huge changes were waiting in the wings and that MS would quickly copy said features if they were revealed. Given the secrecy surrounding Apple, all the rumors, the insane amount of hype, and the usual low blow at Microsoft, people were expecting more, they are underwhelmed because Apple didn't reinvent the wheel with a ZFS file system, a 3D-Finder, multi-touch, whatever. The promised secrets were humble features?
Yeah, kind of reminds me of the WWDC several years ago, where they trumpeted up something spectacular, and we got .... a new imac, that everyone expected.