When will Apple start using HD DVD or BLUE RAY??
It seems like HD DVD is winning the race IMHO.
What is Apple waiting for in releasing a mac that uses either DVD drive?
I know there is no such thing as "future proof"....but since HD DVD is here NOW and selling in stores, it stands to reason that Apple would include it on their machines.
What are y'all thoughts?
What is Apple waiting for in releasing a mac that uses either DVD drive?
I know there is no such thing as "future proof"....but since HD DVD is here NOW and selling in stores, it stands to reason that Apple would include it on their machines.
What are y'all thoughts?
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It seems like HD DVD is winning the race IMHO.
What is Apple waiting for in releasing a mac that uses either DVD drive?
I know there is no such thing as "future proof"....but since HD DVD is here NOW and selling in stores, it stands to reason that Apple would include it on their machines.
What are y'all thoughts?
Recordable BD drives are avalible
where as the same cannot be said for recordable HD-DVD drives, we are still waiting on them to ship.. been promised all year.
try this thread for BD Vs HD-DVD stuff
http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=69710
It seems like HD DVD is winning the race IMHO.
I don't think there will be a winner. It's not as if Sony are suddenly going to recall all their hundreds of thousands of PS3s and replace the drives.
What is Apple waiting for in releasing a mac that uses either DVD drive?
I know there is no such thing as "future proof"....but since HD DVD is here NOW and selling in stores, it stands to reason that Apple would include it on their machines.
If they pick one format then they are showing support for one and not the other. I don't think people need HD video ATM as the quality increase isn't huge but the extra cost is.
For data storage it might make sense but it's only 3 times extra space for HD DVD and again the cost just isn't worth it.
I think that disc-based distribution is going out. Why bother trailing to a store to look through endless cases that are in the wrong places when you can just download films and not only that, look at trailers to see if a movie is any good and get online reviews. If Apple can manage to compress HD movies with H264 small enough to allow this kind of distribution (possibly aided by some P2P technology) without DRM then Blu-Ray and HD-DVD will become irrelevant for movies and it will come down to which format is better for archiving. I would say Blu-Ray because a quad layer disc can hold 100GB.
I think Apple are right to wait a while, at least until around Christmas when the burners and players will come down in price.
It seems like HD DVD is winning the race IMHO.
You could be very wrong.
And I don't think HD-DVD is winning, either. Maybe that's because I just bought a Blu-Ray player for my TV.
Apple is part of the Blu-Ray development association. I can't see them shipping HD-DVD drives.
It seems like HD DVD is winning the race IMHO.
What is Apple waiting for in releasing a mac that uses either DVD drive?
I know there is no such thing as "future proof"....but since HD DVD is here NOW and selling in stores, it stands to reason that Apple would include it on their machines.
What are y'all thoughts?
How is HD DVD winning...
some feel that using discs at all is dated. i can certainly see their point. burnable discs would be handy for backups, but keeping my movies on them just takes up space
Now where can I get downloadable HD content? Not just movie trailers and podcasts. How long does it take to download 720p quality Casino Royal?
If Apple can manage to compress HD movies with H264 small enough to allow this kind of distribution (possibly aided by some P2P technology) without DRM then Blu-Ray and HD-DVD will become irrelevant for movies and it will come down to which format is better for archiving.
That's a pretty big 'if' when you consider the record studio experience. As I recall only one major label has decided to sell music without DRM. Why would the movie studios be more inclined to drop DRM? I'm not trying to troll and bait you into an argument, I'm just curious to see your reasoning and optimism for such a scenario.
That's a pretty big 'if' when you consider the record studio experience. As I recall only one major label has decided to sell music without DRM. Why would the movie studios be more inclined to drop DRM? I'm not trying to troll and bait you into an argument, I'm just curious to see your reasoning and optimism for such a scenario.
You're right they might not like the idea but movies are way bigger than music such that it's not likely that someone can seed nearly as many movies at say 4GB. A 4GB music collection is about 1000 songs vs 1 movie so the music industry would lose 99000c = $990 vs the movie industry losing $20.
I don't suppose they'd have to get rid of DRM really come to think about it. They could offer it in a format that burns straight to DVD and ideally would be compatible with HD DVD/Blu-Ray players. This way it is still encrypted but nobody loses out because you just do what you have to do with DRM music and in the end, you still get a physical disc. This method of DRM for music isn't nearly as bad as it is for music because people will generally burn a disc anyway.
How long does it take to download 720p quality Casino Royal?
It depends on the connection speed but the sizes are around:
60MB/min 720p
100MB/min 1080
So Casino Royale would be around 8.6GB at 720p. If Apple managed to get a sustained 200kbyte/sec download stream (maximum of most people's home connection - 2Mbit), it would take 12 hours. I guess it would only be viable if they pushed it to 800k for people with 8Mbit connections but even then, it takes 3 hours, where you could easily drive to a store within 1 hour. Plus that's still only 720p, 1080p would take nearly twice that long.
Yeah we're probably not ready for HD downloads just yet.
I still think that Apple could do a decent download movie service though. They'd just need to use SD resolution - lower bitrates would likely be out. But if it wasn't cheaper then there would be little point. I'd just like a service whereby I can download an H264 compressed movie that can be played in an HD DVD player and will fit at least one onto a DVD with a minimum of DVD quality. Then this same movie can be viewed directly on a portable device.
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It depends on the connection speed but the sizes are around:
60MB/min 720p
100MB/min 1080
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This is absolutely wrong. Your connection speed is a function of your server, network connection, and computer used for the download. It has absolutely nothing to do with the nature of the content being downloaded. 1080p content will contain more bits than 720p content, which means that it will require longer to download all other things being equal.
The download speeds that you list are available only on the newest broadband setups being rolled-out today. Many government agencies and large research universities can't boast having such speeds. The content of a Blu-ray disk will occupy as much as 50 GB. At 100 MB/minute, it will take 500 minutes or more than 8 hours to download. Using the slower connections available to most of us, a 24 hour download would not be unexpected.
This is absolutely wrong. Your connection speed is a function of your server, network connection, and computer used for the download. It has absolutely nothing to do with the nature of the content being downloaded. 1080p content will contain more bits than 720p content, which means that it will require longer to download all other things being equal.
The download speeds that you list are available only on the newest broadband setups being rolled-out today. Many government agencies and large research universities can't boast having such speeds. The content of a Blu-ray disk will occupy as much as 50 GB. At 100 MB/minute, it will take 500 minutes or more than 8 hours to download. Using the slower connections available to most of us, a 24 hour download would not be unexpected.
I wasn't clear enough, they weren't download speeds. 60MB/minute is the size of the file i.e a 1 minute H264 movie at 720p is around 60MB. A 1 minute movie at 1080p H264 is around 100MB. This is based off Apple's HD trailer encodings which would be close to the bitrates they'd use for a download service. So at the same encoding rate, they could fit a full length 720p movie into a file of 8.6GB, which takes 12 hours on an average 2Mbit connection. They could decrease the quality to improve the transfer rate of course.
http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/#bluray_developers
Apple is part of the Blu-Ray development association. I can't see them shipping HD-DVD drives.
and yet DVDSP supports HD_DVD, not Blu-ray.... waddaya reckon of that, sherlock?
So Casino Royale would be around 8.6GB at 720p. ......, it would take 12 hours. I guess it would only be viable if they pushed it to 800k for people with 8Mbit connections but even then, it takes 3 hours, where you could easily drive to a store within 1 hour. Plus that's still only 720p, 1080p would take nearly twice that long.
Yeah we're probably not ready for HD downloads just yet.
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I definitely think we're not ready for HD downloads. This is why ATV, IMHO, needs to embrace one of the HD optical formats. Downloadable content is the future but the future is going through one more optical format before we get there.
http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/#bluray_developers
Apple is part of the Blu-Ray development association. I can't see them shipping HD-DVD drives.
Apple already ships HD DVD tools in DVD Studio Pro 4 and has done so for over a year.
Apple Computer, Inc.- Supports both HD DVD and Blu-ray
Dell Inc.
Hewlett Packard Company- Supports both HD DVD and Blu-ray
Hitachi, Ltd.- Supports both HD DVD and Blu-ray
LG Electronics Inc.- Supports both HD DVD and Blu-ray
Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd.
Mitsubishi Electric Corporation
Pioneer Corporation
Royal Philips Electronics
Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd.- Supports both HD DVD and Blu-ray
Sharp Corporation
Sony Corporation
Sun Microsystems, Inc.
TDK Corporation
Thomson Multimedia- Supports both HD DVD and Blu-ray
Twentieth Century Fox
Walt Disney Pictures
Warner Bros. Entertainment- Supports both HD DVD and Blu-ray
I'd expect with Leopard we'd get support for Blu-Ray and HD DVD. Content creators will need support for both so Apple will just have to do it. Will you get combo drives will all the DVD/CD burning backwards compatibility? Will you get to pick your drive? It may be Blu-Ray standard with HD DVD as an option for Mac Pros.
I think you're right Xool. Apple could have a preference for formats but they haven't played their hand. I think they fully intend to support both and what will most likely happen is decent support for both in Leopard (HDCP from the GPU to output) and they may BTO options for both optical drives. Eventually if someone makes a solid Combo drive they'll go that route.
Apple really doesn't give a shat...they want you to use Final Cut Pro Studio and if that means authoring HD DVD ...fine. If that means authoring Blu-ray that's going to be fine as well.
I think they'd love to cover both in one mechanism but the money is with a single purpose drive.
Now where can I get downloadable HD content? Not just movie trailers and podcasts. How long does it take to download 720p quality Casino Royal?
I believe XBox Live Video. Depends on the bitrate and your internet service. For FiOS users, not that bad.
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Recordable BD drives are avalible
where as the same cannot be said for recordable HD-DVD drives, we are still waiting on them to ship.. been promised all year.
Yes. given that BD burners are available now and HD video recorders are becoming more popular (at least there are several consumer models now from multiple brands) the odds are that BD will be the first HD optical available as BTO on Macs.
It doesn't matter that Apple is or is not neutral. Video is a focus area and they wont want Sony and other PC makers to take share away because you can get a complete BD editing solution from them but not Apple.
HD-DVD will have to follow along when it does. Which might be never.
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