Download times are said to be a few hours (with a fast connection) now that the service is somewhat more stable but I don't own an XBox yet. Probably will breakdown and get one Christmas if Mass Effect is out.
I would rent Letters from Iwo Jima in HD for $5. Its not too hard to decide to watch a movie Friday or Saturday night and download on Thursday night. Its not like I'm likely to watch LFIJ more than once or twice ever so its cheaper than either buying it on HD-DVD or BD.
A 720p/24 copy from iTunes for $14.99 that I could redownload as I needed I might do and let Apple host my library for me.
Both BD and HD-DVD strikes me as the last optical video media (sales) at the moment and the format war is slowing adoption that it might not manage mass market acceptance before the Amazon/iTunes/Windows Live services get their act together for HD.
With the RBOCs no longer dragging their feet and the cable operators looking at real competition for the first time in a couple decades broadband speeds will continue to rise.
Toshiba is almost giving away their HD DVD players now. Just ridiculous. Blu-ray is crushing them into the ground quicker than a popcorn fart and not to mention the PS3 is the majority of the methane. I no way like the PS3, but I'd have to admit it is a superior blu-ray player and you get 5 free movies by mail with nearly all blu-ray players and the Panasonic you actually get an additional 5 top of the line blu-rays in the box with the player. HD DVD is dying and you'd be a fool to buy one IMHO, blockbuster along with many other large companies are not putting them on the shelves anymore.
I pray everyday for Apple to put a Blu-ray drive in there notebooks.
Toshiba is almost giving away their HD DVD players now. Just ridiculous. Blu-ray is crushing them into the ground quicker than a popcorn fart and not to mention the PS3 is the majority of the methane. I no way like the PS3, but I'd have to admit it is a superior blu-ray player and you get 5 free movies by mail with nearly all blu-ray players and the Panasonic you actually get an additional 5 top of the line blu-rays in the box with the player. HD DVD is dying and you'd be a fool to buy one IMHO, blockbuster along with many other large companies are not putting them on the shelves anymore.
I pray everyday for Apple to put a Blu-ray drive in there notebooks.
Ok you just called me a fool. Let's analyze your post here.
" Toshiba is almost giving away their HD DVD players now"
Yet Sony bleeding red on every PS3 sold and giving away 5 free movies isn't the same?
"Blu-ray is crushing them into the ground quicker than a popcorn fart"
Wow a %10 swing (60/40) in media sales is just a walloping that HD DVD cannot bear. Let me prepare the HD DVD eulogy. Now think about this. There are at LEAST 2.5 million Blu-ray players worldwide and I don't know if they've even managed to sell 1 movie for every player. There are only about 500k HD DVD players so to keep within 10 points to hit 50/50 means multiple movies are being sold per player. That seem to contradict your "crushing" statement.
"I no way like the PS3, but I'd have to admit it is a superior blu-ray player and you get 5 free movies by mail with nearly all blu-ray players"
All the HD DVD players come with 5 movies too and you "don't" have to pay $500 entry level pricing. Try half that. And the PS3 is the best player out of a bunch of obsolete (meaning most of the players sold today won't support Profile 1.1 coming in October) currently sold players.
"HD DVD is dying and you'd be a fool to buy one IMHO, blockbuster along with many other large companies are not putting them on the shelves anymore."
I don't rent at Blockbuster and even if I did I could get HD DVD. I guess you forgot the part of Blockbusters press release where they stated HD DVD will be available online and the current 250 stores where HD DVD are renting will not change. What other "large companies" are you speaking of?
Ok you just called me a fool. Let's analyze your post here.
" Toshiba is almost giving away their HD DVD players now"
Yet Sony bleeding red on every PS3 sold and giving away 5 free movies isn't the same?
"Blu-ray is crushing them into the ground quicker than a popcorn fart"
Wow a %10 swing (60/40) in media sales is just a walloping that HD DVD cannot bear. Let me prepare the HD DVD eulogy. Now think about this. There are at LEAST 2.5 million Blu-ray players worldwide and I don't know if they've even managed to sell 1 movie for every player. There are only about 500k HD DVD players so to keep within 10 points to hit 50/50 means multiple movies are being sold per player. That seem to contradict your "crushing" statement.
"I no way like the PS3, but I'd have to admit it is a superior blu-ray player and you get 5 free movies by mail with nearly all blu-ray players"
All the HD DVD players come with 5 movies too and you "don't" have to pay $500 entry level pricing. Try half that. And the PS3 is the best player out of a bunch of obsolete (meaning most of the players sold today won't support Profile 1.1 coming in October) currently sold players.
"HD DVD is dying and you'd be a fool to buy one IMHO, blockbuster along with many other large companies are not putting them on the shelves anymore."
I don't rent at Blockbuster and even if I did I could get HD DVD. I guess you forgot the part of Blockbusters press release where they stated HD DVD will be available online and the current 250 stores where HD DVD are renting will not change. What other "large companies" are you speaking of?
We already have a thread for this but HD-DVD proponents that claim standalone dominance always make me chuckle...it used to be 150K HD-DVD vs 100K Blu-Ray. I guess now it's 180K HD-DVD vs 110K-120K (or whatever the current Blu-Ray sales are given they price dropped too). Which is pretty sad given the price disparity between HD-DVD and Blu-Ray...revenue on both are about the same before you lump in the millions of PS3s...
Essentially, by forcing the pricing down to $200 Toshiba has conceeded years of revenue from hardware sales in favor of licensing revenue. So yeah, that is the act of a desperate format. All the other CE companies are like "You fooking idiot! If we wanted $50 players from China by Xmas 2008 we could keep the DVD format!"
Oh and maybe Apple could support HD-DVD first if there was a flipping burner.
I think that disc-based distribution is going out. Why bother trailing to a store to look through endless cases that are in the wrong places when you can just download films and not only that, look at trailers to see if a movie is any good and get online reviews. If Apple can manage to compress HD movies with H264 small enough to allow this kind of distribution (possibly aided by some P2P technology) without DRM then Blu-Ray and HD-DVD will become irrelevant for movies and it will come down to which format is better for archiving. I would say Blu-Ray because a quad layer disc can hold 100GB.
I think that's absolutely wrong. While it might be better for some, people like you and me we're the minority of north america. I'm in canada but the USA has like what 350 million people? You honestly believe that the vast majority of american's have enough monthly bandwidth, good enough internet, enough hard drive space, good enough computers and all the other things it would take for us to use only a download model? And then what about the poor? They can't rent or watch movies?
Songs are massively different, they're small in file size and even dialup connections can download them with relative ease. Unless some magic codec was invented to compress an hd movie to like 100-300 megs, that can't become the main way of distributing video.
This arguement becomes even more unrealistic when you factor in the rest of world. Right now everyone can watch a dvd, make it internet only probably 5-10% of the world populus would be able to watch.
Now is there no market for internet downloads of movies? Of course there are but it's a niche market, in tens years maybe I'll agree but until then, impossible.
Ok you just called me a fool. Let's analyze your post here.
" Toshiba is almost giving away their HD DVD players now"
Yet Sony bleeding red on every PS3 sold and giving away 5 free movies isn't the same?
"Blu-ray is crushing them into the ground quicker than a popcorn fart"
Wow a %10 swing (60/40) in media sales is just a walloping that HD DVD cannot bear. Let me prepare the HD DVD eulogy. Now think about this. There are at LEAST 2.5 million Blu-ray players worldwide and I don't know if they've even managed to sell 1 movie for every player. There are only about 500k HD DVD players so to keep within 10 points to hit 50/50 means multiple movies are being sold per player. That seem to contradict your "crushing" statement.
"I no way like the PS3, but I'd have to admit it is a superior blu-ray player and you get 5 free movies by mail with nearly all blu-ray players"
All the HD DVD players come with 5 movies too and you "don't" have to pay $500 entry level pricing. Try half that. And the PS3 is the best player out of a bunch of obsolete (meaning most of the players sold today won't support Profile 1.1 coming in October) currently sold players.
"HD DVD is dying and you'd be a fool to buy one IMHO, blockbuster along with many other large companies are not putting them on the shelves anymore."
I don't rent at Blockbuster and even if I did I could get HD DVD. I guess you forgot the part of Blockbusters press release where they stated HD DVD will be available online and the current 250 stores where HD DVD are renting will not change. What other "large companies" are you speaking of?
Yeah ...mmmm'kay that sounds like a "dying" format.
I'd rather have Apple support a superior overall format like HD DVD first and if possible add in Blu-ray.
First off as everybody knows, Blockbuster is only carrying HD DVD in a small amount of their stores, thats your first clue because Blockbuster was noticing a 70/30 rental ratio when compared to Blu-rays. Also, ALL 3 Best Buy's near me have been eliminating HD DVD one shelf at a time. As is Target and Wal-Mart. Not to mention the limitations of HD DVD compared to Blu-ray when comparing storage. Storage space is HUGE when thinking A/V or gaming. You need the space for your 1080P video with PCM Audio. The audio tracks alone are rather large.
Also HD DVD has been out longer than Blu-ray, thats why players are cheaper currently. Do you not remember when DVD players came out at $700 and $800 and you can now find them for $30 at wal-mart? Blu-ray has already come down in price just like all technology. Panasonic Blu-ray player was $1299 and last month they released the same player with upgraded firmware for $599 with movies. EVERYTHING will drop. Just like your precious HD DVD players, they took a price drop as well.
As for the PS3 "bleeding red", thats EVERY GAMING MACHINE! Each gaming machine since Super Nintendo has costed more to make they what they were selling them. The companies have high hopes and aspirations to sell enough games and accessories to make a profit. Yes, PS3 is taking a loss there, everybody knows that, should pick up with the titles coming out shortly. BUT, PS3 is widely used as solely a Blu-ray player rather than a gaming machine.
For authoring sake though Apple's best to support both formats IMO. Neither is going away anytime soon.
You're right, Apple would be fantastic if they supported both formats, but not likely. They will wait to see which format is at the top before wasting money. LG makes a dual format player and can't sell themselves out of paper bag. There are a lot of manufacturers backing Blu-ray 100% now. The newest is the Denon which will be out soon. Press release just came out a couple days ago. It is rather expensive at $1999, but you pay to play. If you're an A/V enthusiast then you'll know that HD DVD won't be able to compete in the future, right now they can, but storage space is what is hurting them.
Ok you just called me a fool. Let's analyze your post here.
FYI. I have an XBOX360 ELITE with the add-on HD DVD. I bought the HD DVD player when it first came out, when they were doing good. But the lack of titles, lack of companies supporting it, and limitations it has it making me regret buying it. I'm saying this so you don't think I hate HD DVD. I like it, but I was calling people who are buying the HD DVD players RIGHT NOW to be fools, because IMHO and opinions of many others, HD DVD is going nowhere fast.
First off as everybody knows, Blockbuster is only carrying HD DVD in a small amount of their stores, thats your first clue because Blockbuster was noticing a 70/30 rental ratio when compared to Blu-rays. Also, ALL 3 Best Buy's near me have been eliminating HD DVD one shelf at a time. As is Target and Wal-Mart. Not to mention the limitations of HD DVD compared to Blu-ray when comparing storage. Storage space is HUGE when thinking A/V or gaming. You need the space for your 1080P video with PCM Audio. The audio tracks alone are rather large.
God you sound like a Sony marketing drone. If Blockbuster is carrying HD DVD movies online and still in select stores then that's a far cry from sending all HD DVD discs back the their maker. I don't go stores to rent movies...I've embraced the Netflix paradigm.
1080p video and PCM for gaming? Superfluous the first time you play games the cinematic intros and breaks are nice but they don't really enhance the game all that much. Sony has conviced you guys that fattening up their product is necessary in order to justify the expense of Blu-ray.
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Originally Posted by Footloose
Also HD DVD has been out longer than Blu-ray, thats why players are cheaper currently. Do you not remember when DVD players came out at $700 and $800 and you can now find them for $30 at wal-mart? Blu-ray has already come down in price just like all technology. Panasonic Blu-ray player was $1299 and last month they released the same player with upgraded firmware for $599 with movies. EVERYTHING will drop. Just like your precious HD DVD players, they took a price drop as well.
Not even 4 month lead mate. HD DVD players are more affordable because of a more sensible design that doesn't change the Numerical Aperture greatly from CD/DVD. They can also use a lower cost lens because they're using the same disc structure as DVD (two .6mm halves). In addition the HD DVD players are cheaper and MORE full featured. Ethernet on every model, persistent storage and every model and dual AV decoders.
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Originally Posted by Footloose
As for the PS3 "bleeding red", thats EVERY GAMING MACHINE! Each gaming machine since Super Nintendo has costed more to make they what they were selling them. The companies have high hopes and aspirations to sell enough games and accessories to make a profit. Yes, PS3 is taking a loss there, everybody knows that, should pick up with the titles coming out shortly. BUT, PS3 is widely used as solely a Blu-ray player rather than a gaming machine.
Yes because the PS3 highlights just how poor the other Blu-ray players are (lacking features). I don't mind people enjoying Blu-ray however I'm thrilled with my HD DVD player as are many others and frankly I don't see a compelling reason to go with Blu-ray that isn't artificially created (ie studio support)
FYI. I have an XBOX360 ELITE with the add-on HD DVD. I bought the HD DVD player when it first came out, when they were doing good. But the lack of titles, lack of companies supporting it, and limitations it has it making me regret buying it. I'm saying this so you don't think I hate HD DVD. I like it, but I was calling people who are buying the HD DVD players RIGHT NOW to be fools, because IMHO and opinions of many others, HD DVD is going nowhere fast.
Understandable. When you can most of the content from Blu-ray (sans Universal, Weinstein and some porn studios) it makes sense to have a bit of regret unless you see a specific need that Blu-ray isn't quite catering to. For me that's foreign films. I detest region controls and while many Blu-ray discs don't have them enabled the mere presence of this DRM is a threat to me. Every HD DVD section I've been in at Fry's or Best Buy has had traffic and purchases. It's not like I'm hanging out all day. Both formats are doing fine. However I think it's pretty clear that Blu-ray would be losing this war without the exclusive support.
To the OP: It's probably best to ignore Murch. In the other thread he has yet to deny the accusation of being a paid cunsultant of some kind for Toshiba, the primary company behind HDDVD
To the OP: It's probably best to ignore Murch. In the other thread he has yet to deny the accusation of being a paid cunsultant of some kind for Toshiba, the primary company behind HDDVD
I worked for a company that represents Toshiba laptops over a year ago but not as a direct Toshiba employee nor was I focused on promoting HD DVD.
Many have "tried to poison the well" but logical fallacies do not hold up under futher scrutiny. I can clearly articulate why "I' choose HD DVD for myself and to some it will bemore persuasive than others. I'm ok with that.
There are legit reasons why Blu-ray should not be the default player for Apple. The ideal solution is to either let the battle commence and see if a victor emerges after the Holidays or look for a solution that supports both formats.
I worked for a company that represents Toshiba laptops over a year ago but not as a direct Toshiba employee nor was I focused on promoting HD DVD.
Many have "tried to poison the well" but logical fallacies do not hold up under futher scrutiny. I can clearly articulate why "I' choose HD DVD for myself and to some it will bemore persuasive than others. I'm ok with that.
There are legit reasons why Blu-ray should not be the default player for Apple. The ideal solution is to either let the battle commence and see if a victor emerges after the Holidays or look for a solution that supports both formats.
So far, the consumer isn't displaying a great deal of interest in either format. I'm not interested in either format either.
I worked for a company that represents Toshiba laptops over a year ago but not as a direct Toshiba employee nor was I focused on promoting HD DVD.
Thanks for clearing that up. I watched the other thread closely for your reply when Marzetta posted "Say it isn't so." My apologies if it's there and I missed it.
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I believe XBox Live Video. Depends on the bitrate and your internet service. For FiOS users, not that bad.
Vinea
How complete is their library?
Is it 12 hrs to download HD movies like Casino Royal?
How complete is their library?
Is it 12 hrs to download HD movies like Casino Royal?
Um...the odds of a Sony movie appearing as WMV-HD on Windows Live Video at the moment seems very remote.
Here's a few lists of titles (dunno how up to date they are)
http://kplusb.org/xbox-360-hd-title.htm
http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/2007/06...ace-offerings/
Download times are said to be a few hours (with a fast connection) now that the service is somewhat more stable but I don't own an XBox yet. Probably will breakdown and get one Christmas if Mass Effect is out.
I would rent Letters from Iwo Jima in HD for $5. Its not too hard to decide to watch a movie Friday or Saturday night and download on Thursday night. Its not like I'm likely to watch LFIJ more than once or twice ever so its cheaper than either buying it on HD-DVD or BD.
A 720p/24 copy from iTunes for $14.99 that I could redownload as I needed I might do and let Apple host my library for me.
Both BD and HD-DVD strikes me as the last optical video media (sales) at the moment and the format war is slowing adoption that it might not manage mass market acceptance before the Amazon/iTunes/Windows Live services get their act together for HD.
With the RBOCs no longer dragging their feet and the cable operators looking at real competition for the first time in a couple decades broadband speeds will continue to rise.
Vinea
It seems like HD DVD is winning the race IMHO.
You're so far off its incredible. lol
Toshiba is almost giving away their HD DVD players now. Just ridiculous. Blu-ray is crushing them into the ground quicker than a popcorn fart and not to mention the PS3 is the majority of the methane. I no way like the PS3, but I'd have to admit it is a superior blu-ray player and you get 5 free movies by mail with nearly all blu-ray players and the Panasonic you actually get an additional 5 top of the line blu-rays in the box with the player. HD DVD is dying and you'd be a fool to buy one IMHO, blockbuster along with many other large companies are not putting them on the shelves anymore.
I pray everyday for Apple to put a Blu-ray drive in there notebooks.
Here's a few lists of titles (dunno how up to date they are)
http://kplusb.org/xbox-360-hd-title.htm
Vinea
That's not a bad library at all. I was surprised at how much the had. Apple and ATV are WAY behind IMO.
You're so far off its incredible. lol
Toshiba is almost giving away their HD DVD players now. Just ridiculous. Blu-ray is crushing them into the ground quicker than a popcorn fart and not to mention the PS3 is the majority of the methane. I no way like the PS3, but I'd have to admit it is a superior blu-ray player and you get 5 free movies by mail with nearly all blu-ray players and the Panasonic you actually get an additional 5 top of the line blu-rays in the box with the player. HD DVD is dying and you'd be a fool to buy one IMHO, blockbuster along with many other large companies are not putting them on the shelves anymore.
I pray everyday for Apple to put a Blu-ray drive in there notebooks.
Ok you just called me a fool. Let's analyze your post here.
" Toshiba is almost giving away their HD DVD players now"
Yet Sony bleeding red on every PS3 sold and giving away 5 free movies isn't the same?
"Blu-ray is crushing them into the ground quicker than a popcorn fart"
Wow a %10 swing (60/40) in media sales is just a walloping that HD DVD cannot bear. Let me prepare the HD DVD eulogy. Now think about this. There are at LEAST 2.5 million Blu-ray players worldwide and I don't know if they've even managed to sell 1 movie for every player. There are only about 500k HD DVD players so to keep within 10 points to hit 50/50 means multiple movies are being sold per player. That seem to contradict your "crushing" statement.
"I no way like the PS3, but I'd have to admit it is a superior blu-ray player and you get 5 free movies by mail with nearly all blu-ray players"
All the HD DVD players come with 5 movies too and you "don't" have to pay $500 entry level pricing. Try half that. And the PS3 is the best player out of a bunch of obsolete (meaning most of the players sold today won't support Profile 1.1 coming in October) currently sold players.
"HD DVD is dying and you'd be a fool to buy one IMHO, blockbuster along with many other large companies are not putting them on the shelves anymore."
I don't rent at Blockbuster and even if I did I could get HD DVD. I guess you forgot the part of Blockbusters press release where they stated HD DVD will be available online and the current 250 stores where HD DVD are renting will not change. What other "large companies" are you speaking of?
HD DVD outpacing all Next-gen formats in Sales growth
Driven by major spring marketing efforts which brought standalone HD
DVD players down to an industry first $299, dedicated HD DVD CE players
experienced an astounding 183 percent quarterly increase. There are
currently more than 180,000 dedicated HD DVD CE players in the market.
Yeah ...mmmm'kay that sounds like a "dying" format.
I'd rather have Apple support a superior overall format like HD DVD first and if possible add in Blu-ray.
iMacs and notebooks? Not until 2008.
Ok you just called me a fool. Let's analyze your post here.
" Toshiba is almost giving away their HD DVD players now"
Yet Sony bleeding red on every PS3 sold and giving away 5 free movies isn't the same?
"Blu-ray is crushing them into the ground quicker than a popcorn fart"
Wow a %10 swing (60/40) in media sales is just a walloping that HD DVD cannot bear. Let me prepare the HD DVD eulogy. Now think about this. There are at LEAST 2.5 million Blu-ray players worldwide and I don't know if they've even managed to sell 1 movie for every player. There are only about 500k HD DVD players so to keep within 10 points to hit 50/50 means multiple movies are being sold per player. That seem to contradict your "crushing" statement.
"I no way like the PS3, but I'd have to admit it is a superior blu-ray player and you get 5 free movies by mail with nearly all blu-ray players"
All the HD DVD players come with 5 movies too and you "don't" have to pay $500 entry level pricing. Try half that. And the PS3 is the best player out of a bunch of obsolete (meaning most of the players sold today won't support Profile 1.1 coming in October) currently sold players.
"HD DVD is dying and you'd be a fool to buy one IMHO, blockbuster along with many other large companies are not putting them on the shelves anymore."
I don't rent at Blockbuster and even if I did I could get HD DVD. I guess you forgot the part of Blockbusters press release where they stated HD DVD will be available online and the current 250 stores where HD DVD are renting will not change. What other "large companies" are you speaking of?
HD DVD outpacing all Next-gen formats in Sales growth
Yeah ...mmmm'kay that sounds like a "dying" format.
I'd rather have Apple support a superior overall format like HD DVD first and if possible add in Blu-ray.
Then, why did Blockbuster announce that they will no longer be renting or supporting HD-DVD format.
http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/17/b...-the-war-over/
Essentially, by forcing the pricing down to $200 Toshiba has conceeded years of revenue from hardware sales in favor of licensing revenue. So yeah, that is the act of a desperate format. All the other CE companies are like "You fooking idiot! If we wanted $50 players from China by Xmas 2008 we could keep the DVD format!"
Oh and maybe Apple could support HD-DVD first if there was a flipping burner.
Vinea
I think that disc-based distribution is going out. Why bother trailing to a store to look through endless cases that are in the wrong places when you can just download films and not only that, look at trailers to see if a movie is any good and get online reviews. If Apple can manage to compress HD movies with H264 small enough to allow this kind of distribution (possibly aided by some P2P technology) without DRM then Blu-Ray and HD-DVD will become irrelevant for movies and it will come down to which format is better for archiving. I would say Blu-Ray because a quad layer disc can hold 100GB.
I think that's absolutely wrong. While it might be better for some, people like you and me we're the minority of north america. I'm in canada but the USA has like what 350 million people? You honestly believe that the vast majority of american's have enough monthly bandwidth, good enough internet, enough hard drive space, good enough computers and all the other things it would take for us to use only a download model? And then what about the poor? They can't rent or watch movies?
Songs are massively different, they're small in file size and even dialup connections can download them with relative ease. Unless some magic codec was invented to compress an hd movie to like 100-300 megs, that can't become the main way of distributing video.
This arguement becomes even more unrealistic when you factor in the rest of world. Right now everyone can watch a dvd, make it internet only probably 5-10% of the world populus would be able to watch.
Now is there no market for internet downloads of movies? Of course there are but it's a niche market, in tens years maybe I'll agree but until then, impossible.
Then, why did Blockbuster announce that they will no longer be renting or supporting HD-DVD format.
http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/17/b...-the-war-over/
From the article
although HD DVD titles will continue to be offered online and in the 250 (out of 1,450) stores that have been testing both formats since last year.
For authoring sake though Apple's best to support both formats IMO. Neither is going away anytime soon.
Ok you just called me a fool. Let's analyze your post here.
" Toshiba is almost giving away their HD DVD players now"
Yet Sony bleeding red on every PS3 sold and giving away 5 free movies isn't the same?
"Blu-ray is crushing them into the ground quicker than a popcorn fart"
Wow a %10 swing (60/40) in media sales is just a walloping that HD DVD cannot bear. Let me prepare the HD DVD eulogy. Now think about this. There are at LEAST 2.5 million Blu-ray players worldwide and I don't know if they've even managed to sell 1 movie for every player. There are only about 500k HD DVD players so to keep within 10 points to hit 50/50 means multiple movies are being sold per player. That seem to contradict your "crushing" statement.
"I no way like the PS3, but I'd have to admit it is a superior blu-ray player and you get 5 free movies by mail with nearly all blu-ray players"
All the HD DVD players come with 5 movies too and you "don't" have to pay $500 entry level pricing. Try half that. And the PS3 is the best player out of a bunch of obsolete (meaning most of the players sold today won't support Profile 1.1 coming in October) currently sold players.
"HD DVD is dying and you'd be a fool to buy one IMHO, blockbuster along with many other large companies are not putting them on the shelves anymore."
I don't rent at Blockbuster and even if I did I could get HD DVD. I guess you forgot the part of Blockbusters press release where they stated HD DVD will be available online and the current 250 stores where HD DVD are renting will not change. What other "large companies" are you speaking of?
HD DVD outpacing all Next-gen formats in Sales growth
Yeah ...mmmm'kay that sounds like a "dying" format.
I'd rather have Apple support a superior overall format like HD DVD first and if possible add in Blu-ray.
First off as everybody knows, Blockbuster is only carrying HD DVD in a small amount of their stores, thats your first clue because Blockbuster was noticing a 70/30 rental ratio when compared to Blu-rays. Also, ALL 3 Best Buy's near me have been eliminating HD DVD one shelf at a time. As is Target and Wal-Mart. Not to mention the limitations of HD DVD compared to Blu-ray when comparing storage. Storage space is HUGE when thinking A/V or gaming. You need the space for your 1080P video with PCM Audio. The audio tracks alone are rather large.
Also HD DVD has been out longer than Blu-ray, thats why players are cheaper currently. Do you not remember when DVD players came out at $700 and $800 and you can now find them for $30 at wal-mart? Blu-ray has already come down in price just like all technology. Panasonic Blu-ray player was $1299 and last month they released the same player with upgraded firmware for $599 with movies. EVERYTHING will drop. Just like your precious HD DVD players, they took a price drop as well.
As for the PS3 "bleeding red", thats EVERY GAMING MACHINE! Each gaming machine since Super Nintendo has costed more to make they what they were selling them. The companies have high hopes and aspirations to sell enough games and accessories to make a profit. Yes, PS3 is taking a loss there, everybody knows that, should pick up with the titles coming out shortly. BUT, PS3 is widely used as solely a Blu-ray player rather than a gaming machine.
From the article
For authoring sake though Apple's best to support both formats IMO. Neither is going away anytime soon.
You're right, Apple would be fantastic if they supported both formats, but not likely. They will wait to see which format is at the top before wasting money. LG makes a dual format player and can't sell themselves out of paper bag. There are a lot of manufacturers backing Blu-ray 100% now. The newest is the Denon which will be out soon. Press release just came out a couple days ago. It is rather expensive at $1999, but you pay to play. If you're an A/V enthusiast then you'll know that HD DVD won't be able to compete in the future, right now they can, but storage space is what is hurting them.
Ok you just called me a fool. Let's analyze your post here.
FYI. I have an XBOX360 ELITE with the add-on HD DVD. I bought the HD DVD player when it first came out, when they were doing good. But the lack of titles, lack of companies supporting it, and limitations it has it making me regret buying it. I'm saying this so you don't think I hate HD DVD. I like it, but I was calling people who are buying the HD DVD players RIGHT NOW to be fools, because IMHO and opinions of many others, HD DVD is going nowhere fast.
First off as everybody knows, Blockbuster is only carrying HD DVD in a small amount of their stores, thats your first clue because Blockbuster was noticing a 70/30 rental ratio when compared to Blu-rays. Also, ALL 3 Best Buy's near me have been eliminating HD DVD one shelf at a time. As is Target and Wal-Mart. Not to mention the limitations of HD DVD compared to Blu-ray when comparing storage. Storage space is HUGE when thinking A/V or gaming. You need the space for your 1080P video with PCM Audio. The audio tracks alone are rather large.
God you sound like a Sony marketing drone. If Blockbuster is carrying HD DVD movies online and still in select stores then that's a far cry from sending all HD DVD discs back the their maker. I don't go stores to rent movies...I've embraced the Netflix paradigm.
1080p video and PCM for gaming? Superfluous the first time you play games the cinematic intros and breaks are nice but they don't really enhance the game all that much. Sony has conviced you guys that fattening up their product is necessary in order to justify the expense of Blu-ray.
Also HD DVD has been out longer than Blu-ray, thats why players are cheaper currently. Do you not remember when DVD players came out at $700 and $800 and you can now find them for $30 at wal-mart? Blu-ray has already come down in price just like all technology. Panasonic Blu-ray player was $1299 and last month they released the same player with upgraded firmware for $599 with movies. EVERYTHING will drop. Just like your precious HD DVD players, they took a price drop as well.
Samung launched their BD-P1000 on June 25th http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=5960
The Toshiba HD-A1 was launched March. http://www.toshiba.co.jp/about/press/2006_01/pr0502.htm
Not even 4 month lead mate. HD DVD players are more affordable because of a more sensible design that doesn't change the Numerical Aperture greatly from CD/DVD. They can also use a lower cost lens because they're using the same disc structure as DVD (two .6mm halves). In addition the HD DVD players are cheaper and MORE full featured. Ethernet on every model, persistent storage and every model and dual AV decoders.
As for the PS3 "bleeding red", thats EVERY GAMING MACHINE! Each gaming machine since Super Nintendo has costed more to make they what they were selling them. The companies have high hopes and aspirations to sell enough games and accessories to make a profit. Yes, PS3 is taking a loss there, everybody knows that, should pick up with the titles coming out shortly. BUT, PS3 is widely used as solely a Blu-ray player rather than a gaming machine.
Yes because the PS3 highlights just how poor the other Blu-ray players are (lacking features). I don't mind people enjoying Blu-ray however I'm thrilled with my HD DVD player as are many others and frankly I don't see a compelling reason to go with Blu-ray that isn't artificially created (ie studio support)
FYI. I have an XBOX360 ELITE with the add-on HD DVD. I bought the HD DVD player when it first came out, when they were doing good. But the lack of titles, lack of companies supporting it, and limitations it has it making me regret buying it. I'm saying this so you don't think I hate HD DVD. I like it, but I was calling people who are buying the HD DVD players RIGHT NOW to be fools, because IMHO and opinions of many others, HD DVD is going nowhere fast.
Understandable. When you can most of the content from Blu-ray (sans Universal, Weinstein and some porn studios) it makes sense to have a bit of regret unless you see a specific need that Blu-ray isn't quite catering to. For me that's foreign films. I detest region controls and while many Blu-ray discs don't have them enabled the mere presence of this DRM is a threat to me. Every HD DVD section I've been in at Fry's or Best Buy has had traffic and purchases. It's not like I'm hanging out all day. Both formats are doing fine. However I think it's pretty clear that Blu-ray would be losing this war without the exclusive support.
To the OP: It's probably best to ignore Murch. In the other thread he has yet to deny the accusation of being a paid cunsultant of some kind for Toshiba, the primary company behind HDDVD
I worked for a company that represents Toshiba laptops over a year ago but not as a direct Toshiba employee nor was I focused on promoting HD DVD.
Many have "tried to poison the well" but logical fallacies do not hold up under futher scrutiny. I can clearly articulate why "I' choose HD DVD for myself and to some it will bemore persuasive than others. I'm ok with that.
There are legit reasons why Blu-ray should not be the default player for Apple. The ideal solution is to either let the battle commence and see if a victor emerges after the Holidays or look for a solution that supports both formats.
I worked for a company that represents Toshiba laptops over a year ago but not as a direct Toshiba employee nor was I focused on promoting HD DVD.
Many have "tried to poison the well" but logical fallacies do not hold up under futher scrutiny. I can clearly articulate why "I' choose HD DVD for myself and to some it will bemore persuasive than others. I'm ok with that.
There are legit reasons why Blu-ray should not be the default player for Apple. The ideal solution is to either let the battle commence and see if a victor emerges after the Holidays or look for a solution that supports both formats.
So far, the consumer isn't displaying a great deal of interest in either format. I'm not interested in either format either.
I worked for a company that represents Toshiba laptops over a year ago but not as a direct Toshiba employee nor was I focused on promoting HD DVD.
Thanks for clearing that up. I watched the other thread closely for your reply when Marzetta posted "Say it isn't so." My apologies if it's there and I missed it.