This may sound really out there, but I wish Apple would make a PC version of iWork also, and then give both the Mac version and PC version away for free. Why free? Because it would make a serious dent in how many people buy MS Office. In fact, why would most people buy MS Office ever again? Apple would gain big time market share in office suite software and also in mind share. If people run mainly Apple iWork, why should they buy a PC in the first place?
If I were Apple, I would gladly trade the money from iWork sales for market share in Office suite software. Apple has like 15 billion cash on hand. They can easily trade a few million for market share.
You're truly living up to your username here, this idea completely appeals to my attitude, you are a bit of a genius me thinks.
What's really, really confusing me is the fact that iWork '08 doesn't comes free on new Macs.
i just got my new macbook a few weeks ago along with ilife & a licensed (not demo) iwork.
you think i could qualify for a free upgrade to both?
thanks!
If you search Apple's iLife page, it says that it'll cost $10 dollars to upgrade a system that didn't come w/ iLife '08 as long as you bought it on August 7th.
One nice thing about Excel is that you can get the help on a function by clicking it's hyperlink right in the spreadsheet. It's like Apple copied the worst and not the best.
Played with iMovie and Keynote today (more the former than the latter) and found an oddity in the pro-level of the apps: the add narration function on iMovie is far superior to that of Keynote.
Keynote allows recording for the entire presentation, but does not include recording level, mic settings or an of the goodies that iMovie does.
The free-floating windows are also beginning to look old; I think they should create an all-in-one layout that would work better.
I spent several hours yesterday playing with Numbers. It took some time to adjust to the idea that the tables and charts are freely movable objects on any given sheet. Not that I think it's a bad idea, just that it is different to the Excel layout which I have been used to using for the past decade.
I used it to set up a case-log and started to extract some statistics.
I love the ability to add checkboxes and the pop-up lists. It takes Numbers from just a spreadsheeting program to a lightweight database program. As the months go by and my number of cases rises into the hundreds, it will be interesting to see how well Numbers handles the many entries and just how deep I can mine the data.
With the hell that Apple is receiving for iMovie, good news about Numbers is probably very welcome.
I created something far more basic just to play around with the sliders and jumpers, which both worked very nicely, and the instant changes to the graph were great. It indeed was fun. If I had only had it 16 years ago when I started my first business!
I spent several hours yesterday playing with Numbers. It took some time to adjust to the idea that the tables and charts are freely movable objects on any given sheet. Not that I think it's a bad idea, just that it is different to the Excel layout which I have been used to using for the past decade.
I used it to set up a case-log and started to extract some statistics.
I love the ability to add checkboxes and the pop-up lists. It takes Numbers from just a spreadsheeting program to a lightweight database program. As the months go by and my number of cases rises into the hundreds, it will be interesting to see how well Numbers handles the many entries and just how deep I can mine the data.
So far: two thumbs way up!
Completly agree with this - found it to be really useful & easier/more friendly than Excell so far!
I love the ability to add checkboxes and the pop-up lists. It takes Numbers from just a spreadsheeting program to a lightweight database program. As the months go by and my number of cases rises into the hundreds, it will be interesting to see how well Numbers handles the many entries and just how deep I can mine the data.
So far: two thumbs way up!
You can do the same thing in Excel only better. You can do SQL queries in Excel that will automatically update when the data changes in the cells.
I use it to auto-fill information in excel forms that I created. Then when I modify the database I have excel update its information and compare to the data in the spreadsheet.
Numbers has a long long LONG way to go to catch up to Excel.
You can do the same thing in Excel only better. You can do SQL queries in Excel that will automatically update when the data changes in the cells.
I use it to auto-fill information in excel forms that I created. Then when I modify the database I have excel update its information and compare to the data in the spreadsheet.
Numbers has a long long LONG way to go to catch up to Excel.
Useful, although slightly dangerous in the wrong hands.
Somewhat disturbingly, I've just noticed Numbers doesn't have an Applescript interface at all. Both Pages and Keynote do, but not Numbers. I was hoping they would have had a script function in Numbers to do what you'd do with VBA, Applescript or SQL in Excel. Hmmm. Maybe that's one for Numbers v2.
The documentation of the random number generator is incomplete. It generates random numbers between 0 and 1? That tells me almost nothing.\
aegisdesign is dead on. Random number generators almost always, in my experience, return [0.0-1.0]. What more did you want to know??
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I just tried to send feedback on RAND can got a 404 when I submitted.
I was going to ask you if you were actually submitting feedback for all of these complaints, or just complaining...
From my perspective, Excel has had 20 years of development. Number has had... 1? 1.5? Maybe 2? The fact that Numbers is, already, heads and shoulders above Excel in the usability dept means I can forgive it for a few odd missing features. (Except lack of AppleScript. That's just... wrong.) I think the strangest bug you found (and it is a bug, IMO) is the super/sub-script issue in Chart Titles. That text field should be editable like any other. I'm also sending feedback on that one, after I confirmed it myself.
As for lockable fields, copy and paste the table over to Pages. It loses much of its editability for formulas, etc, but not data. (You can copy and paste it back to Numbers and get *back* the full functionality - very cool under the covers programming design.) See if that removes editing for formulas, etc.
I'd like to be able to do reports using Pages, but I heard it only word counts the entire document, not selections...amongst other things has the range of options been improved in the new version?
And (off topic), will iLife 2008 come with the Leopard or will I have to buy it separately?
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IMPRESSIVE...
iWork 06 took up 1.2gb of hard drive space... iWork '08 takes 687mb...
How did they add a 3rd application (numbers) and cut the HD space required nearly in half? MS could NEVER do that!
~ Keynote '06 = 1.15gb
~ keynote '08 = 282.7mb
I am impressed ~ although I do think that Keynote '06 moved a little quicker on some things.
Funny cause Keynote '06 is 198.6MB on my computer.
This may sound really out there, but I wish Apple would make a PC version of iWork also, and then give both the Mac version and PC version away for free. Why free? Because it would make a serious dent in how many people buy MS Office. In fact, why would most people buy MS Office ever again? Apple would gain big time market share in office suite software and also in mind share. If people run mainly Apple iWork, why should they buy a PC in the first place?
If I were Apple, I would gladly trade the money from iWork sales for market share in Office suite software. Apple has like 15 billion cash on hand. They can easily trade a few million for market share.
You're truly living up to your username here, this idea completely appeals to my attitude, you are a bit of a genius me thinks.
What's really, really confusing me is the fact that iWork '08 doesn't comes free on new Macs.
i just got my new macbook a few weeks ago along with ilife & a licensed (not demo) iwork.
you think i could qualify for a free upgrade to both?
thanks!
If you search Apple's iLife page, it says that it'll cost $10 dollars to upgrade a system that didn't come w/ iLife '08 as long as you bought it on August 7th.
http://www.apple.com/ilife/uptodate/
Someone at Apple read this book please.
Keynote allows recording for the entire presentation, but does not include recording level, mic settings or an of the goodies that iMovie does.
The free-floating windows are also beginning to look old; I think they should create an all-in-one layout that would work better.
Just a couple of thoughts.
I used it to set up a case-log and started to extract some statistics.
I love the ability to add checkboxes and the pop-up lists. It takes Numbers from just a spreadsheeting program to a lightweight database program. As the months go by and my number of cases rises into the hundreds, it will be interesting to see how well Numbers handles the many entries and just how deep I can mine the data.
So far: two thumbs way up!
I created something far more basic just to play around with the sliders and jumpers, which both worked very nicely, and the instant changes to the graph were great. It indeed was fun. If I had only had it 16 years ago when I started my first business!
I spent several hours yesterday playing with Numbers. It took some time to adjust to the idea that the tables and charts are freely movable objects on any given sheet. Not that I think it's a bad idea, just that it is different to the Excel layout which I have been used to using for the past decade.
I used it to set up a case-log and started to extract some statistics.
I love the ability to add checkboxes and the pop-up lists. It takes Numbers from just a spreadsheeting program to a lightweight database program. As the months go by and my number of cases rises into the hundreds, it will be interesting to see how well Numbers handles the many entries and just how deep I can mine the data.
So far: two thumbs way up!
Completly agree with this - found it to be really useful & easier/more friendly than Excell so far!
Thanks
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I love the ability to add checkboxes and the pop-up lists. It takes Numbers from just a spreadsheeting program to a lightweight database program. As the months go by and my number of cases rises into the hundreds, it will be interesting to see how well Numbers handles the many entries and just how deep I can mine the data.
So far: two thumbs way up!
You can do the same thing in Excel only better. You can do SQL queries in Excel that will automatically update when the data changes in the cells.
I use it to auto-fill information in excel forms that I created. Then when I modify the database I have excel update its information and compare to the data in the spreadsheet.
Numbers has a long long LONG way to go to catch up to Excel.
I just tried to send feedback on RAND can got a 404 when I submitted.
The documentation of the random number generator is incomplete. It generates random numbers between 0 and 1? That tells me almost nothing.
That's normal for a random number function. Multiply it by 100 and you've got a random number from 0 to 100.
eg. 0.567293 * 100
Make it an integer if you want ie. =INT(RAND() * 100)
You can also use =RANDBETWEEN(0, 100) which will always give you an integer between 0 and 100
You can do the same thing in Excel only better. You can do SQL queries in Excel that will automatically update when the data changes in the cells.
I use it to auto-fill information in excel forms that I created. Then when I modify the database I have excel update its information and compare to the data in the spreadsheet.
Numbers has a long long LONG way to go to catch up to Excel.
Useful, although slightly dangerous in the wrong hands.
Somewhat disturbingly, I've just noticed Numbers doesn't have an Applescript interface at all. Both Pages and Keynote do, but not Numbers. I was hoping they would have had a script function in Numbers to do what you'd do with VBA, Applescript or SQL in Excel. Hmmm. Maybe that's one for Numbers v2.
Funny cause Keynote '06 is 198.6MB on my computer.
You haven't installed all the templates with all the languages and you're not counting the stuff in your /Library/Application Support folder perhaps.
The documentation of the random number generator is incomplete. It generates random numbers between 0 and 1? That tells me almost nothing.
aegisdesign is dead on. Random number generators almost always, in my experience, return [0.0-1.0]. What more did you want to know??
I just tried to send feedback on RAND can got a 404 when I submitted.
I was going to ask you if you were actually submitting feedback for all of these complaints, or just complaining...
From my perspective, Excel has had 20 years of development. Number has had... 1? 1.5? Maybe 2? The fact that Numbers is, already, heads and shoulders above Excel in the usability dept means I can forgive it for a few odd missing features. (Except lack of AppleScript. That's just... wrong.) I think the strangest bug you found (and it is a bug, IMO) is the super/sub-script issue in Chart Titles. That text field should be editable like any other. I'm also sending feedback on that one, after I confirmed it myself.
As for lockable fields, copy and paste the table over to Pages. It loses much of its editability for formulas, etc, but not data. (You can copy and paste it back to Numbers and get *back* the full functionality - very cool under the covers programming design.) See if that removes editing for formulas, etc.
I'd like to be able to do reports using Pages, but I heard it only word counts the entire document, not selections...amongst other things has the range of options been improved in the new version?
And (off topic), will iLife 2008 come with the Leopard or will I have to buy it separately?