The hyperbole from these third party reports is hilarious. Depending on who you believe, the iPhone is either a complete disappointment, or an unprecendented success. Not much in the middle.
Yep, it is too early to call the iPhone a success or failure. If it meets Apple's sales goals then we'll know for sure. Everything else is hyperbole.
A little trickier in Europe though. Apple actually have competition there and the iPhone in it's present hardware is two year old tech.
Please elaborate...
- visual voice mail
- full touch interface with virtually unlimited expandability
- ease of use
How are these 2 year-old technology?
I recently had to use a Motorola Razr as a replacement for my existing Nokia (can't switch to iPhone until there is blessing of corporate pooling account), and the comparison to my experience with the iPhone is a joke. There wasn't a single basic function I could use without consulting (and often continuing to consult) a manual. All functionality buried deeply in cryptic menus, and buttons that make the iPhone's interface look like a billboard.
I really don't get where there's any comparison between iPhone and existing products. Even existing failings can and will be addressed by software updates.
I've been buying AAPL on dips, and can't wait 'til tomorrow. Hopefully a phone-less video iPod.
The hyperbole from these third party reports is hilarious. Depending on who you believe, the iPhone is either a complete disappointment, or an unprecendented success. Not much in the middle.
Hyperbole? This is market research. The numbers are what they are.
Undoubtedly, with introduction of Leopard to the iPhone and the upcoming holiday season, the iPhone should sell even faster. It's very likely that with the Leopard versioned iPhone there should be provisions for synching with corporate mail servers.
The iPhones are currently using the embedded version of Leopard.
"Originally slated for June, Leopard's release was pushed back to October when Apple was forced to borrow some key software engineering and QA resources from its Mac OS X team in order to make good on a promise to launch iPhone -- which runs an embedded version of Leopard -- by the end of June."
To the best of my knowledge, there are no 'corporate sanctioned' purchases at all yet.
AT&T only allows individual contracts, so even if your company has a bulk plan with AT&T (as does mine), you still have to have your number transfered to you as an individual, and you have to expense it.
I would expect this to change before long, and when it does (along with some sort of Exchange solution), corporate sales will take off.
I guess it was not obvious from the context, so let me clarify: In saying "corporate/corporate-sanctioned purchases" I was referring to the market share of non-iPhone "smart"phones such as BBs and Palms. And, therefore, that the claim in the article -- if true -- suggests an even more impressive accomplishment for the iPhone.
- full touch interface with virtually unlimited expandability
- ease of use
How are these 2 year-old technology?
I recently had to use a Motorola Razr as a replacement for my existing Nokia (can't switch to iPhone until there is blessing of corporate pooling account), and the comparison to my experience with the iPhone is a joke. There wasn't a single basic function I could use without consulting (and often continuing to consult) a manual. All functionality buried deeply in cryptic menus, and buttons that make the iPhone's interface look like a billboard.
I really don't get where there's any comparison between iPhone and existing products. Even existing failings can and will be addressed by software updates.
I've been buying AAPL on dips, and can't wait 'til tomorrow. Hopefully a phone-less video iPod.
Those comments are best ignored. They are typical hyperbole rhetoric referring to mainly to Apple's use of he 2.5G EDGE technology, and partly to only having a 2MP digital camera.
I am under the impression that Apple's choice for EU providers have substantial EDGE networks and that O2 in the UK has the largest customer base in the UK. If this is correct, I think the iPhone will fair quite well.
The digital camera on the iPhone is fine but there are some some software issues that need to be addressed, like image stabilization and color syncing, though it fairs better than other higher resolution cameras in this area. But these can hardly be called "2 year old tech."
I love how with all the R&D Apple puts into products, and how they have confounded and proven wrong the pundits at every turn for a decade now, that people still come to this board claiming Apple doesn't have the slightest idea what they are doing.
OK, so they took one apart, are they qualified for or have access to the facts to come up with these numbers? They might be I don't know, but dont you have to ask that question?
Did you actually read the article, or just that post?
The hyperbole from these third party reports is hilarious. Depending on who you believe, the iPhone is either a complete disappointment, or an unprecendented success. Not much in the middle.
Would you let us know which market research firm recently had a report that said that the iPhone is a "complete disappointment"?
Not to mention the rabid "I'll stand in line for three days to buy anything from apple, despite the fact that I know nothing about it" apple fanatics.
Sorry, but 'smart phones' don't have a hundred buttons, and the iPhone has just as many, its just they're in a different spot.
If you're going to call someone out for exaggeration, it's probably best not to discredit yourself by doing exactly the same thing in your previous paragraph.
I do not remember anyone standing in line for three days. The relatively small number who queued that long were, I believe, in sedentary positions for much of the time. And I don't believe any of them were infected with rabies....
What is with everyone's ``IMO''? Is this a new technique to cover your butt when you are shown to be wrong?
The only counter opinion to such reported statistics are from representatives who have done the work in recording purchases and done breakdowns by whatever set of criteria they have determined before they start recording statistics.
Everyone else is talking out their rears.
However, one could comment on whether or not this iSuppli was sponsored by Apple to write a favorable report or not.
Yeah, you could make that comment, but it would be nonsense, as you know.
They are typical hyperbole rhetoric referring to mainly to Apple's use of he 2.5G EDGE technology.......
I have noticed in the past two or three weeks that, when all five bars are on, EDGE is really quite impressive for Safari -- and even YouTube -- use. (It has always been adequate for maps, stocks, weather and email).
Also in the past few weeks, the number of YouTube offerings for iPhone has expanded dramatically.
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I love how with all the R&D Apple puts into products, and how they have confounded and proven wrong the pundits at every turn for a decade now, that people still come to this board claiming Apple doesn't have the slightest idea what they are doing.
I am no expert on R&D, but as a consumer, I agree. Based on my first-hand experience thus far, I will venture a guess that the iPhone, in its current form, will blow away Europeans too.
"Originally slated for June, Leopard's release was pushed back to October when Apple was forced to borrow some key software engineering and QA resources from its Mac OS X team in order to make good on a promise to launch iPhone -- which runs an embedded version of Leopard -- by the end of June."
We really don't know, despite that article, which itself was just guessing, if the iPhone does run on Leopard. I seem to remember some comments from someone from Apple that said it didn't.
Initial surge was satisfied by mid-July. I'm not sure how many kids are going to be getting an iPhone (didn't you read the report, most are going to under-35 grads, kids in school generally haven't graduated yet). The overall cost (on a college income) seems to outweigh its supposed advantages (except in the all important "Look at me! I'm cool! I've got an iPhone!" crowd). Well, maybe they can afford it at the higher-tier private schools.
And it doesn't matter how 'good' the phone is, as $600 for a phone, plus $60 a month (can you put this thing on a cheap family plan?) is still a lot of money just to have what everyone else has.
I bet a lot of cell phones that college kids carry around are graduation presents that dad bought with the bargain "call your mother once a week" attached. And there are a lot of "higher-tier private schools" outside the ivy league (e.g. MIT, Stanford, etc) and a lot of higher-tier public schools (e.g. Berkeley, Big Ten, etc). So I think even a 2% penetration of the freshman class and say 1% of upper classes would be a significant contribution to sales in the September quarter.
Yeah the 4.5 million sales this year is going to be tough to reach under current conditions. IMO, it'll only happen if they start selling phones in Europe and they introduce an iPhone 'nano'.
The current model is doing well but Apple won't meet their sales goals without the above IMO.
However, do we know how many they sold in July; the article says 1.8% share but how many is that? We know it is over a million though isn't it, as we weren't far into July before the first million was claimed.
Given some back-to-school potential, some major holiday (Christmas ) sales potential and the ongoing word-of-mouth and rave reviews, we could expect each month (after a small 'correction' in Aug due to people being on vacation) to rise from July's numbers in the US and, if they arrive in the UK, France and Germany by the beginning of Nov 2007, we could expect 1 million to be sold in Europe before Christmas, when you consider the speed at which 1 million were sold in the US and add-in the pent-up demand in Europe!
So, conservatively, say 1 million were sold in July and then Sep, Oct, Nov and Dec each have 1 million each (and then assume (pessimistically) 0.5 million in Aug plus 1 million in Europe (Nov and Dec combined), that comes to 6.5 million for 2007; I'd suggest 4.5 million not only looks plausible but positively conservative!
However, do we know how many they sold in July; the article says 1.8% share but how many is that? We know it is over a million though isn't it, as we weren't far into July before the first million was claimed.
Given some back-to-school potential, some major holiday (Christmas ) sales potential and the ongoing word-of-mouth and rave reviews, we could expect each month (after a small 'correction' in Aug due to people being on vacation) to rise from July's numbers in the US and, if they arrive in the UK, France and Germany by the beginning of Nov 2007, we could expect 1 million to be sold in Europe before Christmas, when you consider the speed at which 1 million were sold in the US and add-in the pent-up demand in Europe!
So, conservatively, say 1 million were sold in July and then Sep, Oct, Nov and Dec each have 1 million each (and then assume (pessimistically) 0.5 million in Aug plus 1 million in Europe (Nov and Dec combined), that comes to 6.5 million for 2007; I'd suggest 4.5 million not only looks plausible but positively conservative!
If you read NukemHill's post in this ars discussion he extrapolates that 198k phones were sold in July. Not quite the one million you predict.
Time will tell. Perhaps tomorrow Jobs will give an update on iPhone sales. I doubt Apple are seling one million a month but I could be wrong.
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The hyperbole from these third party reports is hilarious. Depending on who you believe, the iPhone is either a complete disappointment, or an unprecendented success. Not much in the middle.
Yep, it is too early to call the iPhone a success or failure. If it meets Apple's sales goals then we'll know for sure. Everything else is hyperbole.
A little trickier in Europe though. Apple actually have competition there and the iPhone in it's present hardware is two year old tech.
Wait until you use one. You'll fall for it just like everyone else.
A little trickier in Europe though. Apple actually have competition there and the iPhone in it's present hardware is two year old tech.
Please elaborate...
- visual voice mail
- full touch interface with virtually unlimited expandability
- ease of use
How are these 2 year-old technology?
I recently had to use a Motorola Razr as a replacement for my existing Nokia (can't switch to iPhone until there is blessing of corporate pooling account), and the comparison to my experience with the iPhone is a joke. There wasn't a single basic function I could use without consulting (and often continuing to consult) a manual. All functionality buried deeply in cryptic menus, and buttons that make the iPhone's interface look like a billboard.
I really don't get where there's any comparison between iPhone and existing products. Even existing failings can and will be addressed by software updates.
I've been buying AAPL on dips, and can't wait 'til tomorrow. Hopefully a phone-less video iPod.
The hyperbole from these third party reports is hilarious. Depending on who you believe, the iPhone is either a complete disappointment, or an unprecendented success. Not much in the middle.
Hyperbole? This is market research. The numbers are what they are.
Undoubtedly, with introduction of Leopard to the iPhone and the upcoming holiday season, the iPhone should sell even faster. It's very likely that with the Leopard versioned iPhone there should be provisions for synching with corporate mail servers.
The iPhones are currently using the embedded version of Leopard.
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...e_release.html
A quote from that article:
"Originally slated for June, Leopard's release was pushed back to October when Apple was forced to borrow some key software engineering and QA resources from its Mac OS X team in order to make good on a promise to launch iPhone -- which runs an embedded version of Leopard -- by the end of June."
To the best of my knowledge, there are no 'corporate sanctioned' purchases at all yet.
AT&T only allows individual contracts, so even if your company has a bulk plan with AT&T (as does mine), you still have to have your number transfered to you as an individual, and you have to expense it.
I would expect this to change before long, and when it does (along with some sort of Exchange solution), corporate sales will take off.
I guess it was not obvious from the context, so let me clarify: In saying "corporate/corporate-sanctioned purchases" I was referring to the market share of non-iPhone "smart"phones such as BBs and Palms. And, therefore, that the claim in the article -- if true -- suggests an even more impressive accomplishment for the iPhone.
Please elaborate...
- visual voice mail
- full touch interface with virtually unlimited expandability
- ease of use
How are these 2 year-old technology?
I recently had to use a Motorola Razr as a replacement for my existing Nokia (can't switch to iPhone until there is blessing of corporate pooling account), and the comparison to my experience with the iPhone is a joke. There wasn't a single basic function I could use without consulting (and often continuing to consult) a manual. All functionality buried deeply in cryptic menus, and buttons that make the iPhone's interface look like a billboard.
I really don't get where there's any comparison between iPhone and existing products. Even existing failings can and will be addressed by software updates.
I've been buying AAPL on dips, and can't wait 'til tomorrow. Hopefully a phone-less video iPod.
Those comments are best ignored. They are typical hyperbole rhetoric referring to mainly to Apple's use of he 2.5G EDGE technology, and partly to only having a 2MP digital camera.
I am under the impression that Apple's choice for EU providers have substantial EDGE networks and that O2 in the UK has the largest customer base in the UK. If this is correct, I think the iPhone will fair quite well.
The digital camera on the iPhone is fine but there are some some software issues that need to be addressed, like image stabilization and color syncing, though it fairs better than other higher resolution cameras in this area. But these can hardly be called "2 year old tech."
I love how with all the R&D Apple puts into products, and how they have confounded and proven wrong the pundits at every turn for a decade now, that people still come to this board claiming Apple doesn't have the slightest idea what they are doing.
OK, so they took one apart, are they qualified for or have access to the facts to come up with these numbers? They might be I don't know, but dont you have to ask that question?
Did you actually read the article, or just that post?
The hyperbole from these third party reports is hilarious. Depending on who you believe, the iPhone is either a complete disappointment, or an unprecendented success. Not much in the middle.
Would you let us know which market research firm recently had a report that said that the iPhone is a "complete disappointment"?
Not to mention the rabid "I'll stand in line for three days to buy anything from apple, despite the fact that I know nothing about it" apple fanatics.
Sorry, but 'smart phones' don't have a hundred buttons, and the iPhone has just as many, its just they're in a different spot.
If you're going to call someone out for exaggeration, it's probably best not to discredit yourself by doing exactly the same thing in your previous paragraph.
I do not remember anyone standing in line for three days. The relatively small number who queued that long were, I believe, in sedentary positions for much of the time. And I don't believe any of them were infected with rabies....
What is with everyone's ``IMO''? Is this a new technique to cover your butt when you are shown to be wrong?
The only counter opinion to such reported statistics are from representatives who have done the work in recording purchases and done breakdowns by whatever set of criteria they have determined before they start recording statistics.
Everyone else is talking out their rears.
However, one could comment on whether or not this iSuppli was sponsored by Apple to write a favorable report or not.
Yeah, you could make that comment, but it would be nonsense, as you know.
They are typical hyperbole rhetoric referring to mainly to Apple's use of he 2.5G EDGE technology.......
I have noticed in the past two or three weeks that, when all five bars are on, EDGE is really quite impressive for Safari -- and even YouTube -- use. (It has always been adequate for maps, stocks, weather and email).
Also in the past few weeks, the number of YouTube offerings for iPhone has expanded dramatically.
I love how with all the R&D Apple puts into products, and how they have confounded and proven wrong the pundits at every turn for a decade now, that people still come to this board claiming Apple doesn't have the slightest idea what they are doing.
I am no expert on R&D, but as a consumer, I agree. Based on my first-hand experience thus far, I will venture a guess that the iPhone, in its current form, will blow away Europeans too.
The iPhones are currently using the embedded version of Leopard.
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...e_release.html
A quote from that article:
"Originally slated for June, Leopard's release was pushed back to October when Apple was forced to borrow some key software engineering and QA resources from its Mac OS X team in order to make good on a promise to launch iPhone -- which runs an embedded version of Leopard -- by the end of June."
We really don't know, despite that article, which itself was just guessing, if the iPhone does run on Leopard. I seem to remember some comments from someone from Apple that said it didn't.
You guys really need to start using iWork for your graphs?
Wow! I can read the numbers SO much better now! Not.
Initial surge was satisfied by mid-July. I'm not sure how many kids are going to be getting an iPhone (didn't you read the report, most are going to under-35 grads, kids in school generally haven't graduated yet). The overall cost (on a college income) seems to outweigh its supposed advantages (except in the all important "Look at me! I'm cool! I've got an iPhone!" crowd). Well, maybe they can afford it at the higher-tier private schools.
And it doesn't matter how 'good' the phone is, as $600 for a phone, plus $60 a month (can you put this thing on a cheap family plan?) is still a lot of money just to have what everyone else has.
I bet a lot of cell phones that college kids carry around are graduation presents that dad bought with the bargain "call your mother once a week" attached. And there are a lot of "higher-tier private schools" outside the ivy league (e.g. MIT, Stanford, etc) and a lot of higher-tier public schools (e.g. Berkeley, Big Ten, etc). So I think even a 2% penetration of the freshman class and say 1% of upper classes would be a significant contribution to sales in the September quarter.
Yeah the 4.5 million sales this year is going to be tough to reach under current conditions. IMO, it'll only happen if they start selling phones in Europe and they introduce an iPhone 'nano'.
The current model is doing well but Apple won't meet their sales goals without the above IMO.
However, do we know how many they sold in July; the article says 1.8% share but how many is that? We know it is over a million though isn't it, as we weren't far into July before the first million was claimed.
Given some back-to-school potential, some major holiday (Christmas
So, conservatively, say 1 million were sold in July and then Sep, Oct, Nov and Dec each have 1 million each (and then assume (pessimistically) 0.5 million in Aug plus 1 million in Europe (Nov and Dec combined), that comes to 6.5 million for 2007; I'd suggest 4.5 million not only looks plausible but positively conservative!
However, do we know how many they sold in July; the article says 1.8% share but how many is that? We know it is over a million though isn't it, as we weren't far into July before the first million was claimed.
Given some back-to-school potential, some major holiday (Christmas
So, conservatively, say 1 million were sold in July and then Sep, Oct, Nov and Dec each have 1 million each (and then assume (pessimistically) 0.5 million in Aug plus 1 million in Europe (Nov and Dec combined), that comes to 6.5 million for 2007; I'd suggest 4.5 million not only looks plausible but positively conservative!
If you read NukemHill's post in this ars discussion he extrapolates that 198k phones were sold in July. Not quite the one million you predict.
Time will tell. Perhaps tomorrow Jobs will give an update on iPhone sales. I doubt Apple are seling one million a month but I could be wrong.