Almost no one who could possibly sell to them is gonna badmouth Jobs, regardless of current contracts, because they know Steve will freeze them out forever... even long after the current contracts come up for renewal.
Apple nor Steve Jobs do not rule the telecom industry. I seriously doubt everyone in the industry is afraid to contradict him.
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Do you honestly think anyone is gonna call out Bill Gates
Yes people criticize Microsoft all the time. Right now you can find dozens of articles and blogs talking about how terrible Vista is.
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Actually, Electric Monk had posts about this back around the US iPhone launch that had some fairly concrete info that the 3G battery hit was not that great. And I can tell you for a fact that turning off 3G on my EVDO 3G phone makes very little difference in talk time.
This is why one of my caveats was an authoritative source. No disrespect to Electric Monk. But preferably someone who uses their real name, someone who works in the telecomm industry, or someone of journalistic repute who has researched 3G power consumption.
Anecdotal accounts of 3G use on one phone does little to disprove why the iPhone does not use 3G.
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Y'know, like how Intel processors totally suck compared to the G4/G5, or how vertical optical drives suck performance-wise. Yet Apple uses both of those things now.
I agree Jobs can put an extra layer of hyperbole on what he says. What he said about Intel and PowerPC was true at the time. The Pentium platform had hit a dead end and was going nowhere. PowerPC in many ways is architecturally superior to x86.
IBM is not as motivated to develop PowerPC as Intel is in developing x86. Intel Core is an entirely new chip architecture from Pentium. So Apple went with what was going to be most competitive.
Things don't stay the same, something may not be as good at one time and becomes better years later. It would be foolish for Apple to not change and adapt because Jobs wants to stand by a statement he made years ago.
Sure, you can buy your diesel from any one of the stations that sell it... just like you can buy your iphone plan from any one of the AT&T stores in the US.
You still can ONLY use diesel. Where's the consumer's choice?
And you have to have a permit to even drive a diesel car! - I smell a lawsuit!!!
Are you 12 years old?
The consumer chose to buy a Deisel car, you can buy your Deisel from any company you want, from any gas station you want, there is a huge choice in brands of deisel. Fool.
So please, post a link to the specific consumer protection law in either of the two jurisdictions where the iPhone has been released so far, which would oblige Apple, AT&T, or O2 to furnish a service under which the iPhone could be conviently unlocked.
In the United States, such a law simply doesn't appear to exist. Sure, there are regulations on the books that confirm the individual's liberty to modify their own phones to achieve interoperability. But that's a separate issue from the legality of manufacturers attempting to enforce the SIM lock in the first place.
In the UK, I honestly haven't done enough research to have an opinion. I'd love to hear about it, though.
In the UK by Law all networks have to unlock a phone if requested by the consumer, they are allowed to charge a fee for this service but they must comply, this is the same accross most European countries, expect Belgium where it is actualy illegal to sell a phone that is locked in the first place.
With Steve Jobs saying that they will fight the unlockers i am not sure where that puts him legally but i doubt they have any legal ground at all.
It is not usually a problem in the UK as phones are subsidised anyway, so you are obliged to stay in your contract till the end as you are paying off your phone. Most people get a new phone when their contract expires anyway. Apple are mad for not going down that route, o2 are mad for agreeing.
Apple nor Steve Jobs do not rule the telecom industry. I seriously doubt everyone in the industry is afraid to contradict him.
If you're in the telecoms industry, and you hope to someday sell to or partner with Steve, you don't call him out. You DON'T punk potential customers or partners. What is so very hard to grasp about that? \
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Yes people criticize Microsoft all the time.
Not people who wish to sell to or partner with Microsoft. Steve's about the only one who gets away with it, but he's big.
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Anecdotal accounts of 3G use on one phone does little to disprove why the iPhone does not use 3G.
Frankly, I'll take anecdotal evidence from a knowledgeable source over Steve's salemanship any day of the week. No offense to Steve, but he does have a financial interest in stretching the truth. Electric Monk and guys like him don't appear to. And again, Steve made his comment yesterday, so if you really want non-anecdotal evidence, just wait.
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I agree Jobs can put an extra layer of hyperbole on what he says.
That's the understatement of the year, but I'm glad you get that part of it.
The push to iTunes vs TV tuners/DVR/etc hampers the iMac as a TV replacement. That and you'd need whatever the Japanese equivalent of a cable card.
Here in the US even a 24" iMac would be too small for a primary TV replacement. At least given the TVs I see at friends houses.
Small apartments/condominiums in big cities are a perfect place for the iMac as TV model. When you only have 600 square feet to work with multifunction devices are almost a necessity. Back when I worked in retail the largest iMac was 20" and I recall a number of customers who watched movies on theirs because they didn't own a TV.
One of the most significant things Steve Jobs did when he returned to Apple was reduce the number of product lines and the number of different products within those lines. Making something special just for Japan, something Apple used to do all the time, just isn't his style. As Apple looks to the future they will have to learn to relax that thinking and learn how to reintroduce variety without incurring large costs. If they do it successfully the future is bright indeed.
One of the most significant things Steve Jobs did when he returned to Apple was reduce the number of product lines and the number of different products within those lines. Making something special just for Japan, something Apple used to do all the time, just isn't his style. As Apple looks to the future they will have to learn to relax that thinking and learn how to reintroduce variety without incurring large costs. If they do it successfully the future is bright indeed.
This is why one of my caveats was an authoritative source. No disrespect to Electric Monk. But preferably someone who uses their real name, someone who works in the telecomm industry, or someone of journalistic repute who has researched 3G power consumption.
I used Softbank's numbers for talk time and standby time from a randomly selected number of their GSM/UMTS phones. Obviously they lie about talk time/standby time (as everybody does), but there's no reason to believe they'd lie differently for GSM and UMTS.
If you want to do it yourself go to the Softbank 3G phone page, and do some simple math for all the phones. I came up with 30% as the worst possible difference, but some were around 10%.
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A KTF official said that the iPhone to be sold in Korea will be built on the new WCDMA platform. The iPhone was originally built for the GSM network which is dominant in the United States and Europe. Adopting it to the CDMA or WCDMA platforms has been considered easily achievable.
WCDMA, often dubbed as a third-generation (3G) technology, is capable of communicating with both GSM and CDMA phones. KTF launched the world's first nationwide WCDMA service in Korea in March, and has drawn more than 1.5 million users so far.
That's some quality tech reporting as WCMDA (aka UMTS) is not compatible with anything?it requires a GSM chip for backward compatibility (though, technically, you could also use a CDMA chip for backward compatibility if you felt like it).
What the reporter means is that South Korea used CDMA to build their phone networks. They were using EV-DO as their 3G standard but the government mandated UMTS (or WCDMA) so their phones could roam in Europe.
So any 2100MHz UMTS model of iPhone (as would also be needed for Japan, and which would help in Europe) would also work in South Korea.
I used Softbank's numbers for talk time and standby time from a randomly selected number of their GSM/UMTS phones. Obviously they lie about talk time/standby time (as everybody does), but there's no reason to believe they'd lie differently for GSM and UMTS.
I'm not trying to dispute your findings. I admit I don't know. My point more is if Jobs is wrong, I don't believe everyone would allow him to get away with being wrong on something so prominent in tech news today.
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If you're in the telecoms industry, and you hope to someday sell to or partner with Steve, you don't call him out.
There are a few select companies who would be looking to work with Apple on the iPhone. The entire industry is much larger than Apple, Jobs, or the iPhone.
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Not people who wish to sell to or partner with Microsoft.
MS more sells products than it partners and buys products from others.
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Frankly, I'll take anecdotal evidence from a knowledgeable source over Steve's salemanship any day of the week.
Is that because Jobs is so often wrong or because you defend your opinion to the point of stubbornness?
I'm not trying to dispute your findings. I admit I don't know. My point more is if Jobs is wrong, I don't believe everyone would allow him to get away with being wrong on something so prominent in tech news today.
I wish I shared your youthful naivete. I honestly do.
Also consider that Jobs' comment was one sentence out of an hour-long event. People weren't really fixated on that so much as the basic details, such as, "Hey, the iPhone's launching in Europe. Who's the partner? Who's gonna be the partner in Germany and France? How much is the iPhone gonna cost? What will the plans be like?", etc. etc.
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There are a few select companies who would be looking to work with Apple on the iPhone. The entire industry is much larger than Apple, Jobs, or the iPhone.
Even if you're a t-com company that has no intention of working directly with Apple, it's a web. Someone you partner with sells to someone who partners with someone who works with or sells to Apple. So... why do you rock the boat again? What does it get you?
There's a saying in business, "No good can come of this."
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MS more sells products than it partners and buys products from others.
MS has relationships with a great many companies, period. And I said before, it's a web.
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Is that because Jobs is so often wrong or because you defend your opinion to the point of stubbornness?
I think you and I are equally stubborn, actually.
And it's because Jobs is a salesman, and salesmen often stretch the truth. This is news to you?
That's some quality tech reporting as WCMDA (aka UMTS) is not compatible with anything—it requires a GSM chip for backward compatibility (though, technically, you could also use a CDMA chip for backward compatibility if you felt like it).
Nice catch. I initially furrowed my brow at that passage, but then I thought, "Well, WCDMA has a similar air interface to CDMA. It's Korea. Maybe they worked something special out."
I guess it's a bit naive for me to assume that tech journalists usually know what they're reporting on. I only caught the 'GSM is dominant in the US' flub. \
Small apartments/condominiums in big cities are a perfect place for the iMac as TV model. When you only have 600 square feet to work with multifunction devices are almost a necessity. Back when I worked in retail the largest iMac was 20" and I recall a number of customers who watched movies on theirs because they didn't own a TV.
Even the folks I know in small apartments or just a room in a house have bigger TVs than 24". And they have a computer. These days the footprint of a LCD or Plasma is pretty small that its a lesser issue.
Of course they are also young, with disposable income and typically male or live with a boyfriend.
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One of the most significant things Steve Jobs did when he returned to Apple was reduce the number of product lines and the number of different products within those lines. Making something special just for Japan, something Apple used to do all the time, just isn't his style. As Apple looks to the future they will have to learn to relax that thinking and learn how to reintroduce variety without incurring large costs. If they do it successfully the future is bright indeed.
What? Their future isn't bright?
As Apple looks to the future they should...I dunno keep doing whatever the heck Jobs wants since it seems to be working well. Arguably you cannot reintroduce variety without "large" cost depending on what you feel large is. The opportunity cost of working on new Mac variant vs working on new products like the iPhone is large.
Is it always either or? No...but look at Leopard. Delayed for the iPhone.
That sucks for those of us who would like a ultraportable, tower or what have you but you know, Vista will get better and XP wasn't half bad. There are many alternatives to Apple when it comes down to it.
I wish I shared your youthful naivete. I honestly do.
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Even if you're a t-com company that has no intention of working directly with Apple, it's a web. Someone you partner with sells to someone who partners with someone who works with or sells to Apple. So... why do you rock the boat again? What does it get you?
There's a saying in business, "No good can come of this."
I watched the CEO of a telecom equipment company tell Verizon and other baby bells execs that they were dinosaurs and idiots. And then expected sales.
So don't think that if Jobs was clearly wrong that someone (like maybe a competitor who couldn't care less) wouldn't call him on it. Like why would Nokia or Motorolla care? They say disparaging things about the iPhone anyway. It's a competitor's product.
Jobs says nasty things about MS all the time but maintains a business relationship with them. Gates and Ballmer have been unkind in return from time to time. There are many CEOs that are "outspoken" and hold a grudge to boot.
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And it's because Jobs is a salesman, and salesmen often stretch the truth. This is news to you?
Jobs is more than a salesman. He's actually one of the few visionaries in the industry that you don't roll your eyes when you call him that. Does he stretch or spin the truth? Sure. He's also a CEO.
I watched the CEO of a telecom equipment company tell Verizon and other baby bells execs that they were dinosaurs and idiots. And then expected sales.
Yeah... how'd that work out for him?
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So don't think that if Jobs was clearly wrong that someone (like maybe a competitor who couldn't care less) wouldn't call him on it. Like why would Nokia or Motorolla care? They say disparaging things about the iPhone anyway. It's a competitor's product.
There's no real point in Nokia and Motorola saying anything until they have a touchscreen 3G iPhone clone ready to go. Then they can make the snarky comments about how Apple whines that it can't do 3G, but "Nokia (Motorola, whoever) delivers." Maybe some nice TV spots accompanying, showing the iPhone riding on a snail's back.
If you say something without having an alternative to offer, you just look petty and worried.
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Jobs says nasty things about MS all the time but maintains a business relationship with them. Gates and Ballmer have been unkind in return from time to time. There are many CEOs that are "outspoken" and hold a grudge to boot.
Yeah, I touched on that already. Steve trashtalks MS, but he's one of the few big enough to get away with it. You don't see many others with biz relationships with MS doing the same thing.
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Jobs is more than a salesman. He's actually one of the few visionaries in the industry that you don't roll your eyes when you call him that. Does he stretch or spin the truth? Sure. He's also a CEO.
According to the Korean Times KTF in South Korea is lobbying Apple for the iPhone.
But Apple has reversed the master-and-servant relationship between phone makers and network operators
Instead we've traded it for a master, master and servant relationship between phone makers, network operators and the consumers they are supposed to serve.
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Almost no one who could possibly sell to them is gonna badmouth Jobs, regardless of current contracts, because they know Steve will freeze them out forever... even long after the current contracts come up for renewal.
Apple nor Steve Jobs do not rule the telecom industry. I seriously doubt everyone in the industry is afraid to contradict him.
Do you honestly think anyone is gonna call out Bill Gates
Yes people criticize Microsoft all the time. Right now you can find dozens of articles and blogs talking about how terrible Vista is.
Actually, Electric Monk had posts about this back around the US iPhone launch that had some fairly concrete info that the 3G battery hit was not that great. And I can tell you for a fact that turning off 3G on my EVDO 3G phone makes very little difference in talk time.
This is why one of my caveats was an authoritative source. No disrespect to Electric Monk. But preferably someone who uses their real name, someone who works in the telecomm industry, or someone of journalistic repute who has researched 3G power consumption.
Anecdotal accounts of 3G use on one phone does little to disprove why the iPhone does not use 3G.
Y'know, like how Intel processors totally suck compared to the G4/G5, or how vertical optical drives suck performance-wise. Yet Apple uses both of those things now.
I agree Jobs can put an extra layer of hyperbole on what he says. What he said about Intel and PowerPC was true at the time. The Pentium platform had hit a dead end and was going nowhere. PowerPC in many ways is architecturally superior to x86.
IBM is not as motivated to develop PowerPC as Intel is in developing x86. Intel Core is an entirely new chip architecture from Pentium. So Apple went with what was going to be most competitive.
Things don't stay the same, something may not be as good at one time and becomes better years later. It would be foolish for Apple to not change and adapt because Jobs wants to stand by a statement he made years ago.
Sure, you can buy your diesel from any one of the stations that sell it... just like you can buy your iphone plan from any one of the AT&T stores in the US.
You still can ONLY use diesel. Where's the consumer's choice?
And you have to have a permit to even drive a diesel car! - I smell a lawsuit!!!
Are you 12 years old?
The consumer chose to buy a Deisel car, you can buy your Deisel from any company you want, from any gas station you want, there is a huge choice in brands of deisel. Fool.
So please, post a link to the specific consumer protection law in either of the two jurisdictions where the iPhone has been released so far, which would oblige Apple, AT&T, or O2 to furnish a service under which the iPhone could be conviently unlocked.
In the United States, such a law simply doesn't appear to exist. Sure, there are regulations on the books that confirm the individual's liberty to modify their own phones to achieve interoperability. But that's a separate issue from the legality of manufacturers attempting to enforce the SIM lock in the first place.
In the UK, I honestly haven't done enough research to have an opinion. I'd love to hear about it, though.
In the UK by Law all networks have to unlock a phone if requested by the consumer, they are allowed to charge a fee for this service but they must comply, this is the same accross most European countries, expect Belgium where it is actualy illegal to sell a phone that is locked in the first place.
With Steve Jobs saying that they will fight the unlockers i am not sure where that puts him legally but i doubt they have any legal ground at all.
It is not usually a problem in the UK as phones are subsidised anyway, so you are obliged to stay in your contract till the end as you are paying off your phone. Most people get a new phone when their contract expires anyway. Apple are mad for not going down that route, o2 are mad for agreeing.
Apple nor Steve Jobs do not rule the telecom industry. I seriously doubt everyone in the industry is afraid to contradict him.
If you're in the telecoms industry, and you hope to someday sell to or partner with Steve, you don't call him out. You DON'T punk potential customers or partners. What is so very hard to grasp about that?
Yes people criticize Microsoft all the time.
Not people who wish to sell to or partner with Microsoft. Steve's about the only one who gets away with it, but he's big.
Anecdotal accounts of 3G use on one phone does little to disprove why the iPhone does not use 3G.
Frankly, I'll take anecdotal evidence from a knowledgeable source over Steve's salemanship any day of the week. No offense to Steve, but he does have a financial interest in stretching the truth. Electric Monk and guys like him don't appear to. And again, Steve made his comment yesterday, so if you really want non-anecdotal evidence, just wait.
I agree Jobs can put an extra layer of hyperbole on what he says.
That's the understatement of the year, but I'm glad you get that part of it.
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The push to iTunes vs TV tuners/DVR/etc hampers the iMac as a TV replacement. That and you'd need whatever the Japanese equivalent of a cable card.
Here in the US even a 24" iMac would be too small for a primary TV replacement. At least given the TVs I see at friends houses.
Small apartments/condominiums in big cities are a perfect place for the iMac as TV model. When you only have 600 square feet to work with multifunction devices are almost a necessity. Back when I worked in retail the largest iMac was 20" and I recall a number of customers who watched movies on theirs because they didn't own a TV.
One of the most significant things Steve Jobs did when he returned to Apple was reduce the number of product lines and the number of different products within those lines. Making something special just for Japan, something Apple used to do all the time, just isn't his style. As Apple looks to the future they will have to learn to relax that thinking and learn how to reintroduce variety without incurring large costs. If they do it successfully the future is bright indeed.
One of the most significant things Steve Jobs did when he returned to Apple was reduce the number of product lines and the number of different products within those lines. Making something special just for Japan, something Apple used to do all the time, just isn't his style. As Apple looks to the future they will have to learn to relax that thinking and learn how to reintroduce variety without incurring large costs. If they do it successfully the future is bright indeed.
Absolutely. Check out my sig.
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This is why one of my caveats was an authoritative source. No disrespect to Electric Monk. But preferably someone who uses their real name, someone who works in the telecomm industry, or someone of journalistic repute who has researched 3G power consumption.
I used Softbank's numbers for talk time and standby time from a randomly selected number of their GSM/UMTS phones. Obviously they lie about talk time/standby time (as everybody does), but there's no reason to believe they'd lie differently for GSM and UMTS.
If you want to do it yourself go to the Softbank 3G phone page, and do some simple math for all the phones. I came up with 30% as the worst possible difference, but some were around 10%.
A KTF official said that the iPhone to be sold in Korea will be built on the new WCDMA platform. The iPhone was originally built for the GSM network which is dominant in the United States and Europe. Adopting it to the CDMA or WCDMA platforms has been considered easily achievable.
WCDMA, often dubbed as a third-generation (3G) technology, is capable of communicating with both GSM and CDMA phones. KTF launched the world's first nationwide WCDMA service in Korea in March, and has drawn more than 1.5 million users so far.
That's some quality tech reporting as WCMDA (aka UMTS) is not compatible with anything?it requires a GSM chip for backward compatibility (though, technically, you could also use a CDMA chip for backward compatibility if you felt like it).
What the reporter means is that South Korea used CDMA to build their phone networks. They were using EV-DO as their 3G standard but the government mandated UMTS (or WCDMA) so their phones could roam in Europe.
So any 2100MHz UMTS model of iPhone (as would also be needed for Japan, and which would help in Europe) would also work in South Korea.
I used Softbank's numbers for talk time and standby time from a randomly selected number of their GSM/UMTS phones. Obviously they lie about talk time/standby time (as everybody does), but there's no reason to believe they'd lie differently for GSM and UMTS.
I'm not trying to dispute your findings. I admit I don't know. My point more is if Jobs is wrong, I don't believe everyone would allow him to get away with being wrong on something so prominent in tech news today.
If you're in the telecoms industry, and you hope to someday sell to or partner with Steve, you don't call him out.
There are a few select companies who would be looking to work with Apple on the iPhone. The entire industry is much larger than Apple, Jobs, or the iPhone.
Not people who wish to sell to or partner with Microsoft.
MS more sells products than it partners and buys products from others.
Frankly, I'll take anecdotal evidence from a knowledgeable source over Steve's salemanship any day of the week.
Is that because Jobs is so often wrong or because you defend your opinion to the point of stubbornness?
I'm not trying to dispute your findings. I admit I don't know. My point more is if Jobs is wrong, I don't believe everyone would allow him to get away with being wrong on something so prominent in tech news today.
I wish I shared your youthful naivete. I honestly do.
Also consider that Jobs' comment was one sentence out of an hour-long event. People weren't really fixated on that so much as the basic details, such as, "Hey, the iPhone's launching in Europe. Who's the partner? Who's gonna be the partner in Germany and France? How much is the iPhone gonna cost? What will the plans be like?", etc. etc.
There are a few select companies who would be looking to work with Apple on the iPhone. The entire industry is much larger than Apple, Jobs, or the iPhone.
Even if you're a t-com company that has no intention of working directly with Apple, it's a web. Someone you partner with sells to someone who partners with someone who works with or sells to Apple. So... why do you rock the boat again? What does it get you?
There's a saying in business, "No good can come of this."
MS more sells products than it partners and buys products from others.
MS has relationships with a great many companies, period. And I said before, it's a web.
Is that because Jobs is so often wrong or because you defend your opinion to the point of stubbornness?
I think you and I are equally stubborn, actually.
And it's because Jobs is a salesman, and salesmen often stretch the truth. This is news to you?
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That's some quality tech reporting as WCMDA (aka UMTS) is not compatible with anything—it requires a GSM chip for backward compatibility (though, technically, you could also use a CDMA chip for backward compatibility if you felt like it).
Nice catch. I initially furrowed my brow at that passage, but then I thought, "Well, WCDMA has a similar air interface to CDMA. It's Korea. Maybe they worked something special out."
I guess it's a bit naive for me to assume that tech journalists usually know what they're reporting on. I only caught the 'GSM is dominant in the US' flub.
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Small apartments/condominiums in big cities are a perfect place for the iMac as TV model. When you only have 600 square feet to work with multifunction devices are almost a necessity. Back when I worked in retail the largest iMac was 20" and I recall a number of customers who watched movies on theirs because they didn't own a TV.
Even the folks I know in small apartments or just a room in a house have bigger TVs than 24". And they have a computer. These days the footprint of a LCD or Plasma is pretty small that its a lesser issue.
Of course they are also young, with disposable income and typically male or live with a boyfriend.
One of the most significant things Steve Jobs did when he returned to Apple was reduce the number of product lines and the number of different products within those lines. Making something special just for Japan, something Apple used to do all the time, just isn't his style. As Apple looks to the future they will have to learn to relax that thinking and learn how to reintroduce variety without incurring large costs. If they do it successfully the future is bright indeed.
What? Their future isn't bright?
As Apple looks to the future they should...I dunno keep doing whatever the heck Jobs wants since it seems to be working well. Arguably you cannot reintroduce variety without "large" cost depending on what you feel large is. The opportunity cost of working on new Mac variant vs working on new products like the iPhone is large.
Is it always either or? No...but look at Leopard. Delayed for the iPhone.
That sucks for those of us who would like a ultraportable, tower or what have you but you know, Vista will get better and XP wasn't half bad. There are many alternatives to Apple when it comes down to it.
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I wish I shared your youthful naivete. I honestly do.
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Even if you're a t-com company that has no intention of working directly with Apple, it's a web. Someone you partner with sells to someone who partners with someone who works with or sells to Apple. So... why do you rock the boat again? What does it get you?
There's a saying in business, "No good can come of this."
I watched the CEO of a telecom equipment company tell Verizon and other baby bells execs that they were dinosaurs and idiots. And then expected sales.
So don't think that if Jobs was clearly wrong that someone (like maybe a competitor who couldn't care less) wouldn't call him on it. Like why would Nokia or Motorolla care? They say disparaging things about the iPhone anyway. It's a competitor's product.
Jobs says nasty things about MS all the time but maintains a business relationship with them. Gates and Ballmer have been unkind in return from time to time. There are many CEOs that are "outspoken" and hold a grudge to boot.
And it's because Jobs is a salesman, and salesmen often stretch the truth. This is news to you?
Jobs is more than a salesman. He's actually one of the few visionaries in the industry that you don't roll your eyes when you call him that. Does he stretch or spin the truth? Sure. He's also a CEO.
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I watched the CEO of a telecom equipment company tell Verizon and other baby bells execs that they were dinosaurs and idiots. And then expected sales.
Yeah... how'd that work out for him?
So don't think that if Jobs was clearly wrong that someone (like maybe a competitor who couldn't care less) wouldn't call him on it. Like why would Nokia or Motorolla care? They say disparaging things about the iPhone anyway. It's a competitor's product.
There's no real point in Nokia and Motorola saying anything until they have a touchscreen 3G iPhone clone ready to go. Then they can make the snarky comments about how Apple whines that it can't do 3G, but "Nokia (Motorola, whoever) delivers." Maybe some nice TV spots accompanying, showing the iPhone riding on a snail's back.
If you say something without having an alternative to offer, you just look petty and worried.
Jobs says nasty things about MS all the time but maintains a business relationship with them. Gates and Ballmer have been unkind in return from time to time. There are many CEOs that are "outspoken" and hold a grudge to boot.
Yeah, I touched on that already. Steve trashtalks MS, but he's one of the few big enough to get away with it. You don't see many others with biz relationships with MS doing the same thing.
Jobs is more than a salesman. He's actually one of the few visionaries in the industry that you don't roll your eyes when you call him that. Does he stretch or spin the truth? Sure. He's also a CEO.
Wow. We actually agree on something.
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Yeah... how'd that work out for him?
Not so hot but it didn't keep him from doing it...
According to the Korean Times KTF in South Korea is lobbying Apple for the iPhone.
But Apple has reversed the master-and-servant relationship between phone makers and network operators
Instead we've traded it for a master, master and servant relationship between phone makers, network operators and the consumers they are supposed to serve.
I wonder if North Korea know about the iphone. Imagine wanting it so bad there but you can thave it haha
I think they're more concerned with wanting things like, well... food.
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