Thin Apple notebooks may come clad in black aluminum

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  • Reply 141 of 176
    vineavinea Posts: 5,585member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by backtomac View Post


    I'm not trying to inject myself into this debate. I have a question.



    What's wrong with a home user having an external HDD (or two) and backing up with superduper?



    I'm guessing a RAID setup is better, although in all honesty I'm not all that familiar with RAID. Is that really necessary for a home user?



    Absolutely nothing wrong. Just toss the external HDD into your fire safe or better yet, your parent's fire safe across town.



    The only reason I back up the S3 is because



    a) It was easy. I downloaded JungleDisk and copied files over just like an external drive. Of course I SHOULD have looked an additional 30 seconds to figure out a backup program but honestly, I just copy new iPhoto folders over once a month or so.



    .Mac is likely even easier but the costs are higher. Amazon S3 is $0.15/GB per month. So to get .Mac's 10GB is $1.50/month.



    http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/007624.html



    b) It was cheap. It's a $0.15/GB per month plus $0.20/GB transfer fee. I think my first S3 bill was under $4 to hold my tiny (at the time) iPhoto collection.



    c) When you watch folks after a disaster the thing that hurts the most are losing memories...photos being one medium to store memories. Stuff is just stuff and insurance will replace some of it. But losing your wedding photos it's just gone. Or kid photos.



    $5 a month is pretty cheap insurance for accidental deletions, drive failures and anything else that might befall those photos.



    Now all the video I have is a different story. I load those on my "server" (old quicksilver) and stick the tapes in the fire safe and hope that they won't melt if something bad happens. If it weren't for the movies I wouldn't have bothered with a home server.



    Looking at that blog it might have been the wrong way to go anyways although honestly all I do is use two external 320GB USB drives at the moment and duplicate the data. I need that much space just to fiddle with the videos anyway and if I had that much filled $48 on S3 is more expensive than keeping my own array and sticking a $80 drive over at my parents.



    I do all this on a MBP and Quicksilver and I could see the same setup working for an ultraportable. Just slower. Maybe not...the quicksilver isn't fast.
  • Reply 142 of 176
    After seeing Apple's most recent iPod release, I'm not too enthusiastic about an all flash-based notebook. Don't get me wrong, I've been waiting for the dawn of Touch for about 3 years now, and glad that it's finally here. Still, in light of the road that Apple's tread regarding capacity, 16 GB isn't a lot when your device's primary modus operandi is video playback.



    That being said, given the current prices of flash memory, I think we could expect a storage capacity around 32 GB, 9 of which would be need to be devoted to a full install of Leopard. Assuming that you'll want do to more with your Mac than just turn it on, you might need an additional 2 GB for Photoshop CS3, 2.5 GB for Illustrator CS3, 0.5 GB for Final Cut Express HD, and about 0.5 for Office: Mac 2004, bringing the total to about 5.5 GB. Now, of course the average user may not *need* any or all of these apps, but for the sake of argument, let's assume that it's a handy configuration to carry around, and a fair start for most basic media projects.



    Now if I can fit my entire iTunes library on an iPod, I'd hope that I could do the same on a PC. I like to listen to music whilst switching back and forth between Photoshop and Illustrator, and I've got exactly 9.5 GB in my audio library, so I'll use that as a benchmark.



    So 9 + 5.5 + 9.5 = 24, leaving me with about 8 GB of storage space to play with, which isn't much by anyone's account. Of course, without an optical drive, it makes installing virtually any of these applications basically moot, but that's an entirely separate issue.



    Also, one final word to those suggesting Glass + Aluminum enclosures: No one seems to have pointed out that glass is significantly heavier than plastic, plus a lot easier to break, making it a poor choice for laptops. Kudos to Apple if the find a work around; though I think a laptop made from transparent aluminum is a bit far out even for them.
  • Reply 143 of 176
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by teejaysplace24 View Post


    That being said, given the current prices of flash memory, I think we could expect a storage capacity around 32 GB, 9 of which would be need to be devoted to a full install of Leopard. Assuming that you'll want do to more with your Mac than just turn it on, you might need an additional 2 GB for Photoshop CS3, 2.5 GB for Illustrator CS3, 0.5 GB for Final Cut Express HD, and about 0.5 for Office: Mac 2004, bringing the total to about 5.5 GB.



    If it is instead a Newton II running Mobile OS X then we're talking a OS install of well under a GB, which is the only way 32GB is going to be useful as storage. A man can dream?.



    I want a subnotebook myself, and all flash would be great but I think at this point in time perhaps 4GB of flash + 80GB HDD is the way to go.
  • Reply 144 of 176
    If Apple are working on a PDA, what's the betting the PDA is flash-based and the 'ultra thin' is simply a smaller, lighter, possibly 12" MBP WITH external drive?



    I'd be very, very surprised if Apple miniaturised the MB ahead of the MBP, knowing how much consumer cachet goes with smaller & lighter products.
  • Reply 145 of 176
    I'm game for a black alu anno' Mac Tower...



    Lemon Bon Bon
  • Reply 146 of 176
    Ultra portable to the extreme eh?



    I hear people saying over and over: "I am only getting [product name] if it weighs less than [weight here] and is as thick as [strange object comparison here]".



    Well my goodness do we have the laziest weakest group of people here or what? As a college student with an apartment I find myself walking to and from campus, as well as to each class with my MacBook and it is no way hinders my ability to move every day, all day. I have many books to carry around on top of my laptop and to be honest the laptop is the lightest thing I have in my bag. What is all the rage with a laptop that weighs so little? To me I would feel as if I would damage it because it wouldnt have that strong sturdy feel. Like was stated in Jurassic Park "If it's heavy it's expensive" I like my expensive Apple products to have some weight to them, which is why I will never own a Shuffle I guess.



    IMO the MacBook is the perfect compromise between the MBP (which is large) and the iBook 12" (which I also have and consider to small).
  • Reply 147 of 176
    jakebjakeb Posts: 562member
    The difference between 3lb and 6lb is really huge. 6lbs won't kill you, but I'd buy a 3lb Mac notebook tomorrow.
  • Reply 148 of 176
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    Originally Posted by jakeb View Post


    The difference between 3lb and 6lb is really huge. 6lbs won't kill you, but I'd buy a 3lb Mac notebook tomorrow.



    Maybe this is just me, but do/would you feel secure owning something so light that costs $1300? I would feel again that something that is so light but so expensive is extremely fragile.
  • Reply 150 of 176
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,510member
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    Originally Posted by uberamd View Post


    Ultra portable to the extreme eh?



    I hear people saying over and over: "I am only getting [product name] if it weighs less than [weight here] and is as thick as [strange object comparison here]".



    Well my goodness do we have the laziest weakest group of people here or what? As a college student with an apartment I find myself walking to and from campus, as well as to each class with my MacBook and it is no way hinders my ability to move every day, all day. I have many books to carry around on top of my laptop and to be honest the laptop is the lightest thing I have in my bag. What is all the rage with a laptop that weighs so little? To me I would feel as if I would damage it because it wouldnt have that strong sturdy feel. Like was stated in Jurassic Park "If it's heavy it's expensive" I like my expensive Apple products to have some weight to them, which is why I will never own a Shuffle I guess.



    IMO the MacBook is the perfect compromise between the MBP (which is large) and the iBook 12" (which I also have and consider to small).



    The point here is that most of don't NEED an ultralight, but we would want one.



    It isn't that carrying a 6 pound machine around would kill us, but that it isn't comfortable.



    While 6 pounds, plus case, is very noticeable after a while, 3 pounds is much less so.



    because of that, if the full needs aren't required all of the time, a much lighter machines would be better for those times.



    I have absolutely no NEED for a portable, but if one was light enough, and small, I would get one.



    And weight doesn't have to mean quality. There are plenty of heavy PC portables out there. Does that mean that they are higher quality than a lighter Mac?
  • Reply 151 of 176
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,510member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by uberamd View Post


    Maybe this is just me, but do/would you feel secure owning something so light that costs $1300? I would feel again that something that is so light but so expensive is extremely fragile.



    You haven't explained why more weight means "better" to you.



    Give us some reasons why a machine made of high quality materials, designed properly, and therefore weighs less, is any worse than a machine with cheaper materals, poorly designed, that weighs more.



    Or is this just a "feeling" that you have?
  • Reply 152 of 176
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,510member
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    Originally Posted by macNewbTube View Post


    What do you think?



    http://macnewbtube.wordpress.com/200...pple-keyboard/



    What's so special that we have to think about it?
  • Reply 153 of 176
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,951member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    You haven't explained why more weight means "better" to you.



    Give us some reasons why a machine made of high quality materials, designed properly, and therefore weighs less, is any worse than a machine with cheaper materals, poorly designed, that weighs more.



    Or is this just a "feeling" that you have?



    How much of the weight of a standard notebook is batteries anyway? The ultralights are a lot more miserly with battery power, so they can get away with much lighter batteries and still run longer. The weight devoted to thermal management can be reduced by a lot too.



    I'm more enamored with the idea of a machine that lasts a long time on batteries than I am about the weight, a lighter machine would just be a bonus.
  • Reply 154 of 176
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by macNewbTube View Post


    What do you think?



    http://macnewbtube.wordpress.com/200...pple-keyboard/



    Isn't the new keyboard what the MacBook has anyway only in different colours?
  • Reply 155 of 176
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,510member
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    Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post


    How much of the weight of a standard notebook is batteries anyway? The ultralights are a lot more miserly with battery power, so they can get away with much lighter batteries and still run longer. The weight devoted to thermal management can be reduced by a lot too.



    I'm more enamored with the idea of a machine that lasts a long time on batteries than I am about the weight, a lighter machine would just be a bonus.



    The Sony 6 hour battery adds .29 pound. The 12 hour adds .69 pound.
  • Reply 156 of 176
    mcarlingmcarling Posts: 1,106member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Electric Monk View Post


    If it is instead a Newton II running Mobile OS X then we're talking a OS install of well under a GB, which is the only way 32GB is going to be useful as storage. A man can dream?.



    I want a subnotebook myself, and all flash would be great but I think at this point in time perhaps 4GB of flash + 80GB HDD is the way to go.



    By the time Apple could ship a Newton II, 64GB flash drives will be available. There is no way that Apple would put a HDD in a Newton II.
  • Reply 157 of 176
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    You haven't explained why more weight means "better" to you.



    Give us some reasons why a machine made of high quality materials, designed properly, and therefore weighs less, is any worse than a machine with cheaper materals, poorly designed, that weighs more.



    Or is this just a "feeling" that you have?



    My reason was that I would feel that it would be extremely fragile (as I stated in what you quoted). I pick up my Dell E1505 and I feel like I could drop it from great heights and have no harm done to it (which I have done by accident, fell off my 5" tall bed in my dorm last year onto a tile floor). However I would not ever want to drop my MacBook from that height, as users complain about their MacBooks casing coming apart from simple use (see appledefects list of complains for Macbooks basicly unsealing themselves).



    Now take the weight of my macbook which I am already paranoid I will damage, cut it in half, and you have a notebook so light that I would live in fear carrying it in my backpack with my calc books, and all my other school stuff.



    Now this is just my opinion, as everyone is entitled to theirs. I am a member of, like I said in a previous post, the "if it's heavy, it's expensive" club. Small notebooks with screens < 13" are just not for me. I had a incredibly light Compaq v2000 and the thing felt like a toy. Not for me.



    To me the current weight of the Macbook works great, I can watch DVD's in the car without a bump sending it flying in the air, and I can carry it around safely in my backpack with little worries (I worry a bit but thats because it is still around a week old, and scratch free thanks to Marware products).
  • Reply 158 of 176
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by uberamd View Post


    Ultra portable to the extreme eh?



    I hear people saying over and over: "I am only getting [product name] if it weighs less than [weight here] and is as thick as [strange object comparison here]".



    Well my goodness do we have the laziest weakest group of people here or what? As a college student with an apartment I find myself walking to and from campus, as well as to each class with my MacBook and it is no way hinders my ability to move every day, all day. I have many books to carry around on top of my laptop and to be honest the laptop is the lightest thing I have in my bag. What is all the rage with a laptop that weighs so little? To me I would feel as if I would damage it because it wouldnt have that strong sturdy feel. Like was stated in Jurassic Park "If it's heavy it's expensive" I like my expensive Apple products to have some weight to them, which is why I will never own a Shuffle I guess.



    IMO the MacBook is the perfect compromise between the MBP (which is large) and the iBook 12" (which I also have and consider to small).



    Some people like more portability with smaller laptops because it makes them easier to use on an airplane, train, or in another cramped area. It doesn't appear you use your laptop while traveling much. Watching a movie is one thing, but trying to perform actual work while crammed in coach is a different story (thank God for Platinum first-class upgrades!).



    The weight part becomes an issue on extended trips to remote areas. Try going on a medical relief mission in a third-world country where you have the choice of carrying an extra 2-4 pounds in laptops and batteries v. more medicine to treat the underserved. Yes, I have known of people who have needed to make that decision.
  • Reply 159 of 176
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,951member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    The Sony 6 hour battery adds .29 pound. The 12 hour adds .69 pound.



    OK, I assume those are the ultraportable batteries. My Compaq's battery is about 0.85, I thought it was more than that, its total weight is comparable with a MacBook Pro. My sister has my MBPro, so I can't check that.
  • Reply 160 of 176
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,510member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by uberamd View Post


    My reason was that I would feel that it would be extremely fragile (as I stated in what you quoted). I pick up my Dell E1505 and I feel like I could drop it from great heights and have no harm done to it (which I have done by accident, fell off my 5" tall bed in my dorm last year onto a tile floor). However I would not ever want to drop my MacBook from that height, as users complain about their MacBooks casing coming apart from simple use (see appledefects list of complains for Macbooks basicly unsealing themselves).



    Now take the weight of my macbook which I am already paranoid I will damage, cut it in half, and you have a notebook so light that I would live in fear carrying it in my backpack with my calc books, and all my other school stuff.



    Now this is just my opinion, as everyone is entitled to theirs. I am a member of, like I said in a previous post, the "if it's heavy, it's expensive" club. Small notebooks with screens < 13" are just not for me. I had a incredibly light Compaq v2000 and the thing felt like a toy. Not for me.



    To me the current weight of the Macbook works great, I can watch DVD's in the car without a bump sending it flying in the air, and I can carry it around safely in my backpack with little worries (I worry a bit but thats because it is still around a week old, and scratch free thanks to Marware products).



    You do realise that what you ae saying goes against the laws of physics?



    The more mass an object has, the more potential energy it has. If you drop it, it suffers more from that drop than a similar object that weighs less.



    Assuming two items that are equal in build quality, the heavier one will always,suffer more damage from a drop than the lighter one.



    If Apple designs a product with the more advanced materials then it will be sturder than one with heavier, but less advanced, materials.



    Weight has nothing to do with duribility by itself, except for what I said above.



    If the expensice carbon fiber materials are properly used for a case, along with proper shock mounting inside, a fall will result is less damage than the aluminum cases used now. The fiber cases distribute the shock throughout the case and allow the flex that acts as a shock absorber. Metal, has far less ability to do that.



    It's simlar to the concept of kevlar vests. They are far more effective in distributing the shock over the entire vest than a rigid metal sheet would, yet weigh far less.
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