The point here is that apple has made important changes in Objective-c 2.0 in the 64-bit ABI that will require a 64bit computer to take advantage of.
I see what you are saying but this sounds like Apple is pointing the direction it wants go in over the next 10 years. I think 32 bit machines should be safe for the next few years.
Heh, I wasn't criticizing your length...just a play on words since you used both long and short in a sentence about 32bit vs 64bit ints...
Read up on fragile binary interface/fragile base classes. Mkay, I understand now why I haven't had to think about that given all my stuff has been java or C# for almost the last decade. Oddly, I don't recall Meyers covering this topic. Maybe he did.
"Another example of prophecies based on personal experiences.
I don't think the future of computers is in the living room at all.
I'd rather say the future of TV is in the computer and not vice versa.
But because I'm not a prophet, I'd not want to make any predictions based on my personal preference."
Well, of course my post is based on my own experiences. Did you expect me to go out and poll the population? Most statements involve a complex combination of information sources (personal experiences, readings, etc...). That's not being a prophet, but rather a normal human.
TV in computer or vice versa. In either case the end result will be the same.
Heh, I wasn't criticizing your length...just a play on words since you used both long and short in a sentence about 32bit vs 64bit ints...
HAHA wow, jokes on me 2 times in a row... I didn't get it .
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Read up on fragile binary interface/fragile base classes. Mkay, I understand now why I haven't had to think about that given all my stuff has been java or C# for almost the last decade. Oddly, I don't recall Meyers covering this topic. Maybe he did.
Yah you gotta remember C wasn't an OOP language in the first place, so the OO part of objective-c has some downfalls. But damn, objective-c 2.0 is very very fast. Faster than c in some cases using iterators.
my stuff has been java or C# for almost the last decade. Oddly, I don't recall Meyers covering this topic. Maybe he did.
OK you're banned from AI... i'm just kidding though. You know how devs get when they talk about languages... it's worse than talking religion sometimes
OK you're banned from AI... i'm just kidding though. You know how devs get when they talk about languages... it's worse than talking religion sometimes
Heh, I do C# because I'm lazy and there was an opensource project that used it. The dark side is not so bad really. Do not underestimate the power of managed code.
Mono runs on OSX and hey, there's a C# coaca wrapper and a C# plugin for XCode.
Too used to being sloppy with memory management now. Garbage Collectors may suck performance wise but it does cut down on leaks. To think I used to be a real-time coder...
Not to derail the thread any further, but Objective-c 2.0 has garbage collection now. And it's relatively resource free (according to apple). If I wasn't such an open source whore I probably wouldn't have turned down an $85k + benefits job here to do .net stuff.. that and I haven't touched .net since 2005.
I think the sad state of gaming for the mac was really derailed by Apple GOING with Objective-C and OpenGL not being so popular among console / windows games programmers. Honestly, everything needs 1 good graphics library. That raytracing that intel is researching looks kinda promising?
Either way, I'm happy with the Cider ports for now. If more and more companies do that, we might be home free! I mean some of my favorite games came out this year... Madden, C&C 3, Need For Speed, BF 2142. Now I just need Battlefield 2, Assassin's Creed, Crysis, World in Conflict, Colin McRae (ships the 20th of october FINALLY), and a few others and I'll NEVER get work done!
I was thinking about a mac pro for gaming then I saw that it was $1650 for the best graphics card and it was only 512mb. I think I will still have to keep my homebuilt windows rig. My windows nivida 730gt was only $79 and it was listed for $150 on a mac. That really stinks.
I was thinking about a mac pro for gaming then I saw that it was $1650 for the best graphics card and it was only 512mb. I think I will still have to keep my homebuilt windows rig. My windows nivida 7300gt was only $79 and it was listed for $150 on a mac. That really stinks.
I was thinking about a mac pro for gaming then I saw that it was $1650 for the best graphics card and it was only 512mb. I think I will still have to keep my homebuilt windows rig. My windows nivida 7300gt was only $79 and it was listed for $150 on a mac. That really stinks.
the fx quadro 4500 is an amazing card, but it is not for gaming. If you plan on using you mac for gaming, in which case i presume you boot into windows, then you can stick most cards in it. I have used it in windows with non efi cards and even sli. You will just have to put an efi card back in for osx.
When apple does use the fx quadro 5600, will me with my current mac pro be able to buy one from the apple store and stick it in there? I know i should have waited to buy one, but then my company would only have paid for the base model opposed to the highest end model they bought for me.
the fx quadro 4500 is an amazing card, but it is not for gaming. If you plan on using you mac for gaming, in which case i presume you boot into windows, then you can stick most cards in it. I have used it in windows with non efi cards and even sli. You will just have to put an efi card back in for osx.
When apple does use the fx quadro 5600, will me with my current mac pro be able to buy one from the apple store and stick it in there? I know i should have waited to buy one, but then my company would only have paid for the base model opposed to the highest end model they bought for me.
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I got carried away ... sorry.
The point here is that apple has made important changes in Objective-c 2.0 in the 64-bit ABI that will require a 64bit computer to take advantage of.
I see what you are saying but this sounds like Apple is pointing the direction it wants go in over the next 10 years. I think 32 bit machines should be safe for the next few years.
I got carried away ... sorry.
Heh, I wasn't criticizing your length...just a play on words since you used both long and short in a sentence about 32bit vs 64bit ints...
Read up on fragile binary interface/fragile base classes. Mkay, I understand now why I haven't had to think about that given all my stuff has been java or C# for almost the last decade. Oddly, I don't recall Meyers covering this topic. Maybe he did.
I don't think the future of computers is in the living room at all.
I'd rather say the future of TV is in the computer and not vice versa.
But because I'm not a prophet, I'd not want to make any predictions based on my personal preference."
Well, of course my post is based on my own experiences. Did you expect me to go out and poll the population? Most statements involve a complex combination of information sources (personal experiences, readings, etc...). That's not being a prophet, but rather a normal human.
TV in computer or vice versa. In either case the end result will be the same.
philip
Heh, I wasn't criticizing your length...just a play on words since you used both long and short in a sentence about 32bit vs 64bit ints...
HAHA wow, jokes on me 2 times in a row... I didn't get it
Read up on fragile binary interface/fragile base classes. Mkay, I understand now why I haven't had to think about that given all my stuff has been java or C# for almost the last decade. Oddly, I don't recall Meyers covering this topic. Maybe he did.
Yah you gotta remember C wasn't an OOP language in the first place, so the OO part of objective-c has some downfalls. But damn, objective-c 2.0 is very very fast. Faster than c in some cases using iterators.
my stuff has been java or C# for almost the last decade. Oddly, I don't recall Meyers covering this topic. Maybe he did.
OK you're banned from AI...
OK you're banned from AI...
Heh, I do C# because I'm lazy and there was an opensource project that used it. The dark side is not so bad really. Do not underestimate the power of managed code.
Mono runs on OSX and hey, there's a C# coaca wrapper and a C# plugin for XCode.
Too used to being sloppy with memory management now. Garbage Collectors may suck performance wise but it does cut down on leaks. To think I used to be a real-time coder...
I think the sad state of gaming for the mac was really derailed by Apple GOING with Objective-C and OpenGL not being so popular among console / windows games programmers. Honestly, everything needs 1 good graphics library. That raytracing that intel is researching looks kinda promising?
Either way, I'm happy with the Cider ports for now. If more and more companies do that, we might be home free! I mean some of my favorite games came out this year... Madden, C&C 3, Need For Speed, BF 2142. Now I just need Battlefield 2, Assassin's Creed, Crysis, World in Conflict, Colin McRae (ships the 20th of october FINALLY), and a few others and I'll NEVER get work done!
I was thinking about a mac pro for gaming then I saw that it was $1650 for the best graphics card and it was only 512mb. I think I will still have to keep my homebuilt windows rig. My windows nivida 7300gt was only $79 and it was listed for $150 on a mac. That really stinks.
the fx quadro 4500 is an amazing card, but it is not for gaming. If you plan on using you mac for gaming, in which case i presume you boot into windows, then you can stick most cards in it. I have used it in windows with non efi cards and even sli. You will just have to put an efi card back in for osx.
When apple does use the fx quadro 5600, will me with my current mac pro be able to buy one from the apple store and stick it in there? I know i should have waited to buy one, but then my company would only have paid for the base model opposed to the highest end model they bought for me.
the fx quadro 4500 is an amazing card, but it is not for gaming. If you plan on using you mac for gaming, in which case i presume you boot into windows, then you can stick most cards in it. I have used it in windows with non efi cards and even sli. You will just have to put an efi card back in for osx.
When apple does use the fx quadro 5600, will me with my current mac pro be able to buy one from the apple store and stick it in there? I know i should have waited to buy one, but then my company would only have paid for the base model opposed to the highest end model they bought for me.
You used SLI in your mac pro????????????