What, you don't think keeping a format in an ever-changing state to ensure consumers avoid set top players, and then undercutting other Blu-Ray Hi-Def® player manufacturers with a player that's also a game console is a good strategy? The longer Blu-Ray is an unfinished format, and the longer dedicated players cost $400 or more, the longer the PS3 will be the only smart buy if a consumer wants a Blu-Ray Hi-Def® player. It's like two wins in one for Sony!
But no win for the consumer who doesn't own ( or want to own ) a PS3! And that's a lot of people. If Sony plans on depending on PS3 to get this format into the mainstream they're in for a shock. I don't hate the playstation it's just you can't get this to become a common format by depending on a game console. It might have helped with HD DVD but their numbers are so small in comaprison to DVD that this is a different kind of battle.
Also this is all for the studios as they get to double dipp anyone who bought HD DVD titles that will now appear on BR. Mark my words if they keep the cost of their players up sales of BR will be down. And eventually out.
But no win for the consumer who doesn't own ( or want to own ) a PS3! And that's a lot of people. If Sony plans on depending on PS3 to get this format into the mainstream they're in for a shock. I don't hate the playstation it's just you can't get this to become a common format by depending on a game console. It might have helped with HD DVD but their numbers are so small in comaprison to DVD that this is a different kind of battle.
I agree with you.
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Also this is all for the studios as they get to double dipp anyone who bought HD DVD titles that will now appear on BR.
Not me. Combo Player FTW. Prices are already within throwing distance of what I'm willing to spend ($500). Alternatively, there's already ways to rip your HD DVD's to computer, so no one should get stuck with a pile of films they can't watch.
Not me. Combo Player FTW. Prices are already within throwing distance of what I'm willing to spend ($500). Alternatively, there's already ways to rip your HD DVD's to computer, so no one should get stuck with a pile of films they can't watch.
I'll be really surprised if combo players see any further development.
I'll be really surprised if combo players see any further development.
Perhaps, the newer model combo players will not be developed, but the price drops on the current combo players may soon be a popular item in the enthusiast circle. I'm hoping for a price drop for the LG combo drives.
I'll be really surprised if combo players see any further development.
I doubt any new models will come to market, but the ones available now aren't going to vanish from the face of the Earth, and at least LG will continue to support theirs:
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Shortly after Samsung stated its intentions to focus on Blu-ray in the future, along comes LG looking out for those guinea pigs who've already started building up a respectable HD DVD library. Reportedly, the firm stated that it felt it "necessary to provide a player which supports both formats and therefore creates simplicity and convenience for the existing HD DVD consumer." Furthermore, Daniel Aziz, marketing manager for LG Electronics, was quoted as saying that Toshiba's announcement "does not rule out HD DVD immediately, as there are still a number of consumers who have chosen HD DVD and begun to build a HD DVD collection." 'Course, we wouldn't try to read between any lines here -- it seems that LG won't be yanking its combo players anytime soon, but there's no doubt it understands that the future is Blu.
Source - Seems like LG realizes they've got a unique product that appeals to 1 million HD DVD owners.
I thought people have been saying Blu-Ray has been doing almost as good as DVD did in adoption rates? This study shows that HD DVD and Blu-Ray combined only sold half as many discs in their first two years as DVD did in it's first two years. What's the catch?
Because it's an illustration of what's wrong with this whole picture. However you're so blinded by BR you can't see any other take. Pathetic.
Of course they'll jump again.
Well I'm glad you agree with me, there was no need for Paramount to jump in the first place, its them you have your beef with, THEY have put you in the position of having to buy the season TWICE.
Oh and please don't call me Pathetic.
You have a different view point, and while I don't agree with it, I try hard not to resort to direct name calling.
I'm sorry you blinded yourself with the cheap hype, and bought into the worst format failure ever barr Dixv. But I'm not responsible for your actions YOU are, so I'm afraid YOU will have to suck it up and either buy ST in another format (again) or else stick to the vhs copies.
I would have bought another cheap HD-DVD player as a back up, if I didn't already own two units.
Well, getting the gamers involved seemed to help blu-ray, so who knows.
mm, still ribbing on the PS3 eh, when you bought two players and were looking towards a third, and then Tosh were blowing their trumpet about 1million players sold.. yeah 1 million players sold to half a million owners, no wonder the software sales didn't tally in HD-DVDs favour.
but I guess its time to move on now, any news on Paramount doing a 180 again?
Edit, I see Paramount have announced they are Blu
So then in closing, HD-DVD, the look and sound of failure
Perhaps, the newer model combo players will not be developed, but the price drops on the current combo players may soon be a popular item in the enthusiast circle. I'm hoping for a price drop for the LG combo drives.
When it comes to hi-definition DVD formats, Sony has clearly won both the product technology battle and the marketing battle. Whatever the merits of each system, the market wasn't going to move to buy either system in volume until the other had been eliminated. But even now that Blue-Ray has triumphed, the next battle Sony has to win is to persuade everyone to upgrade from ordinary DVDs to high definition DVDs.
While winning over the world to Blue-Ray will require additional time and resources to be expended, I think that Sony and Toshiba have both missed the point. At the end of the day, we're just talking about a delivery system to transmit binary code to computers and TVs: trillions of ones and zeros.
While the Japanese titans have been duking it out, Apple has quietly revamped Apple TV which as we all know now allows you to watch HD movies as well as regular ones. Apple TV is simple and reliable. Soon all of our favourite movies and TV programmes will be stored on a hard drive instead of as a DVD library. What this means, as if the MacBook Air design didn't already make this clear, is suddenly we don't need DVD drives anymore, not for PCs and not for TVs.
What Apple iTunes has done for music, Apple TV will soon do for movies. In this is a brave new world, the killer application isn't the media format, but the software that allows you to access it. What Apple has done is to start a revolution. Apple TV is the future. So while Sony has irrefutably won the battle, it has lost the war.
I doubt any new models will come to market, but the ones available now aren't going to vanish from the face of the Earth, and at least LG will continue to support theirs:
Source - Seems like LG realizes they've got a unique product that appeals to 1 million HD DVD owners.
Owners of 1 million HD DVD players - not 1 million HD DVD owners.
A few HD DVD owners in this thread and many on AVS have more than one player.
Well I'm glad you agree with me, there was no need for Paramount to jump in the first place, its them you have your beef with, THEY have put you in the position of having to buy the season TWICE.
Oh and please don't call me Pathetic.
You have a different view point, and while I don't agree with it, I try hard not to resort to direct name calling.
I'm sorry you blinded yourself with the cheap hype, and bought into the worst format failure ever barr Dixv. But I'm not responsible for your actions YOU are, so I'm afraid YOU will have to suck it up and either buy ST in another format (again) or else stick to the vhs copies.
Learn to read Walter. The link I posted explains that Toshiba was paying for the encoding of ST TOS R and pulled the plug recently. That means it's part of the format war.
Also my copy of ST TOS R season one works just fine. The DVD side and the HD DVD side so no need to rebuy. It's season 2 Where and when I'm wondering about since it was scheduled the 25th of next month. And no dummy I'm not afraid of having to stick with tape. It's comments like that urging me to say " Pathetic ".
Do you even know what this is? It's the original ST with new effects that CBS digital has been producing on TV for the past year. I already the original version on DVD. Once you see the new stuff however you don't want to go back
Episode 1 and 2 sucked donkey balls, but episode III was awesome, what are you talking about?
The high pitched whine of Anakin coupled with the poor dialogue. ADHD choreography of pretty much every battle scene where so much was going on that you could focus on exactly nothing.
I used to think Darth Vader was the meanest bastard around. After Episode III I realized he was just some sad emo kid with force powers.
I should be thankful though. George cured me of my Star Wars addiction in 3 easy steps.
Stuart Rowe, COO of play.com is claiming that sales of Blu-ray players have increased seven-fold since Toshiba announced it was cutting and running from its HD-DVD format. The UK-based web retailer sold more Blu-ray players on Tuesday than it has in the whole of last week, and was the first to react to the Toshiba news by slashing HD-DVD player prices.
Hopefully this is a trend, and not just seven guys who were waiting for the format war to end before buying a player, versus the one guy who bought a player last week.
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What, you don't think keeping a format in an ever-changing state to ensure consumers avoid set top players, and then undercutting other Blu-Ray Hi-Def® player manufacturers with a player that's also a game console is a good strategy? The longer Blu-Ray is an unfinished format, and the longer dedicated players cost $400 or more, the longer the PS3 will be the only smart buy if a consumer wants a Blu-Ray Hi-Def® player. It's like two wins in one for Sony!
But no win for the consumer who doesn't own ( or want to own ) a PS3! And that's a lot of people. If Sony plans on depending on PS3 to get this format into the mainstream they're in for a shock. I don't hate the playstation it's just you can't get this to become a common format by depending on a game console. It might have helped with HD DVD but their numbers are so small in comaprison to DVD that this is a different kind of battle.
Also this is all for the studios as they get to double dipp anyone who bought HD DVD titles that will now appear on BR. Mark my words if they keep the cost of their players up sales of BR will be down. And eventually out.
But no win for the consumer who doesn't own ( or want to own ) a PS3! And that's a lot of people. If Sony plans on depending on PS3 to get this format into the mainstream they're in for a shock. I don't hate the playstation it's just you can't get this to become a common format by depending on a game console. It might have helped with HD DVD but their numbers are so small in comaprison to DVD that this is a different kind of battle.
I agree with you.
Also this is all for the studios as they get to double dipp anyone who bought HD DVD titles that will now appear on BR.
Not me. Combo Player FTW. Prices are already within throwing distance of what I'm willing to spend ($500). Alternatively, there's already ways to rip your HD DVD's to computer, so no one should get stuck with a pile of films they can't watch.
Not me. Combo Player FTW. Prices are already within throwing distance of what I'm willing to spend ($500). Alternatively, there's already ways to rip your HD DVD's to computer, so no one should get stuck with a pile of films they can't watch.
I'll be really surprised if combo players see any further development.
I'll be really surprised if combo players see any further development.
Perhaps, the newer model combo players will not be developed, but the price drops on the current combo players may soon be a popular item in the enthusiast circle. I'm hoping for a price drop for the LG combo drives.
I'll be really surprised if combo players see any further development.
I doubt any new models will come to market, but the ones available now aren't going to vanish from the face of the Earth, and at least LG will continue to support theirs:
Shortly after Samsung stated its intentions to focus on Blu-ray in the future, along comes LG looking out for those guinea pigs who've already started building up a respectable HD DVD library. Reportedly, the firm stated that it felt it "necessary to provide a player which supports both formats and therefore creates simplicity and convenience for the existing HD DVD consumer." Furthermore, Daniel Aziz, marketing manager for LG Electronics, was quoted as saying that Toshiba's announcement "does not rule out HD DVD immediately, as there are still a number of consumers who have chosen HD DVD and begun to build a HD DVD collection." 'Course, we wouldn't try to read between any lines here -- it seems that LG won't be yanking its combo players anytime soon, but there's no doubt it understands that the future is Blu.
Source - Seems like LG realizes they've got a unique product that appeals to 1 million HD DVD owners.
Because it's an illustration of what's wrong with this whole picture. However you're so blinded by BR you can't see any other take. Pathetic.
Of course they'll jump again.
Well I'm glad you agree with me, there was no need for Paramount to jump in the first place, its them you have your beef with, THEY have put you in the position of having to buy the season TWICE.
Oh and please don't call me Pathetic.
You have a different view point, and while I don't agree with it, I try hard not to resort to direct name calling.
I'm sorry you blinded yourself with the cheap hype, and bought into the worst format failure ever barr Dixv. But I'm not responsible for your actions YOU are, so I'm afraid YOU will have to suck it up and either buy ST in another format (again) or else stick to the vhs copies.
Oh, poor victimized Walter
Oh well done, following irony with sarcasm, clever.
Yes, I do have that copy of Star Wars.
har har, just realized the irony of commenting on "slavishly following history" and "han shooting first"!!
almost dug that out last night, I think its due a re-watch
sigh Jar Jar George.. WHY George WHY?
I would have bought another cheap HD-DVD player as a back up, if I didn't already own two units.
Well, getting the gamers involved seemed to help blu-ray, so who knows.
mm, still ribbing on the PS3 eh, when you bought two players and were looking towards a third, and then Tosh were blowing their trumpet about 1million players sold.. yeah 1 million players sold to half a million owners, no wonder the software sales didn't tally in HD-DVDs favour.
but I guess its time to move on now, any news on Paramount doing a 180 again?
Edit, I see Paramount have announced they are Blu
So then in closing, HD-DVD, the look and sound of failure
Perhaps, the newer model combo players will not be developed, but the price drops on the current combo players may soon be a popular item in the enthusiast circle. I'm hoping for a price drop for the LG combo drives.
but are THEY going to be profile 2?
While winning over the world to Blue-Ray will require additional time and resources to be expended, I think that Sony and Toshiba have both missed the point. At the end of the day, we're just talking about a delivery system to transmit binary code to computers and TVs: trillions of ones and zeros.
While the Japanese titans have been duking it out, Apple has quietly revamped Apple TV which as we all know now allows you to watch HD movies as well as regular ones. Apple TV is simple and reliable. Soon all of our favourite movies and TV programmes will be stored on a hard drive instead of as a DVD library. What this means, as if the MacBook Air design didn't already make this clear, is suddenly we don't need DVD drives anymore, not for PCs and not for TVs.
What Apple iTunes has done for music, Apple TV will soon do for movies. In this is a brave new world, the killer application isn't the media format, but the software that allows you to access it. What Apple has done is to start a revolution. Apple TV is the future. So while Sony has irrefutably won the battle, it has lost the war.
I doubt any new models will come to market, but the ones available now aren't going to vanish from the face of the Earth, and at least LG will continue to support theirs:
Source - Seems like LG realizes they've got a unique product that appeals to 1 million HD DVD owners.
Owners of 1 million HD DVD players - not 1 million HD DVD owners.
A few HD DVD owners in this thread and many on AVS have more than one player.
Well I'm glad you agree with me, there was no need for Paramount to jump in the first place, its them you have your beef with, THEY have put you in the position of having to buy the season TWICE.
Oh and please don't call me Pathetic.
You have a different view point, and while I don't agree with it, I try hard not to resort to direct name calling.
I'm sorry you blinded yourself with the cheap hype, and bought into the worst format failure ever barr Dixv. But I'm not responsible for your actions YOU are, so I'm afraid YOU will have to suck it up and either buy ST in another format (again) or else stick to the vhs copies.
Learn to read Walter. The link I posted explains that Toshiba was paying for the encoding of ST TOS R and pulled the plug recently. That means it's part of the format war.
Also my copy of ST TOS R season one works just fine. The DVD side and the HD DVD side so no need to rebuy. It's season 2 Where and when I'm wondering about since it was scheduled the 25th of next month. And no dummy I'm not afraid of having to stick with tape. It's comments like that urging me to say " Pathetic ".
Do you even know what this is? It's the original ST with new effects that CBS digital has been producing on TV for the past year. I already the original version on DVD. Once you see the new stuff however you don't want to go back
har har, just realized the irony of commenting on "slavishly following history" and "han shooting first"!!
almost dug that out last night, I think its due a re-watch
sigh Episodes I, II and III George.. WHY George WHY?
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Episode 1 and 2 sucked donkey balls, but episode III was awesome, what are you talking about?
Owners of 1 million HD DVD players - not 1 million HD DVD owners.
A few HD DVD owners in this thread and many on AVS have more than one player.
Okay. 999,975 HD DVD owners.
Episode 1 and 2 sucked donkey balls, but episode III was awesome, what are you talking about?
The high pitched whine of Anakin coupled with the poor dialogue. ADHD choreography of pretty much every battle scene where so much was going on that you could focus on exactly nothing.
I used to think Darth Vader was the meanest bastard around. After Episode III I realized he was just some sad emo kid with force powers.
I should be thankful though. George cured me of my Star Wars addiction in 3 easy steps.
Stuart Rowe, COO of play.com is claiming that sales of Blu-ray players have increased seven-fold since Toshiba announced it was cutting and running from its HD-DVD format. The UK-based web retailer sold more Blu-ray players on Tuesday than it has in the whole of last week, and was the first to react to the Toshiba news by slashing HD-DVD player prices.
Hopefully this is a trend, and not just seven guys who were waiting for the format war to end before buying a player, versus the one guy who bought a player last week.
but episode III was awesome, what are you talking about?
Perhaps it's that part where the most feared Sith in history gets cut in two because he thought he could fly.