The biggest reason is that there is such a small market for them, that no one cares enough to do it.
As far as third parties go, why bother?
With Apple selling about 500 thousand Mac Pro's a year (hopefully that number is going up), and most users needing nothing more than the cards Apple offers, there is no market for third parties. Independent hackers could get other cards to work, possibly. But to what end? Pro's would never buy them, because there would be no guarantee they would work right.
Yeah, those are good points. Still think there is money to be made here for a 3rd party developer, and I do think that some pro users would take advantage of it if it were available--not to mention all those who continually clamor for a decapitated Mac....
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Once you get to know me better, you will learn that I never give up.
Best of luck on that. Maybe someday they'll start listening instead of drooling over specviewperfs.
While Apple is tight-lipped about the introduction of new Mac systems with Intel's latest Penryn processors, analysts said the company's Unix-based Xserve servers could be the first to include the power-efficient Penryn chips.
Rumors predict Apple's Mac Pro workstations being the first Mac system to include Penryn processors, though it makes sense for Apple to first plug Penryn chips into Xserve machines to start upgrading its product portfolio from the top, analysts said.
The first Penryn chips, like the Xeon 5400, are the upper echelon of chips designed to first appear in servers and high-end desktops, not home PCs, said Samir Bhavnani, an analyst with NPD Group. The first introductions could be Xserves and Mac Pro systems, then other Mac desktops and laptops as Intel releases chips for those systems, Bhavnani said.
Apple needs something to replace the rusting Xserve machines, and it would make sense for Apple to release a new server by year's end to immediately upgrade its product portfolio, analysts said.
"It's a no-brainer," said Dan Hutcheson, CEO of analyst firm VLSI Research. "You'd want it in the stores before Christmas," he added. Intel has been manufacturing Penryn chips for some time and has built up a large inventory, so it is feasible that Apple will launch high-end Mac Pro desktops too, Hutcheson said.
Dean McCarron, founder and principal of Mercury Research, agreed that Apple should launch workstations in time for holiday shopping. However, most manufacturers have already locked up product announcements as part of the system refresh cycle for the shopping season, so it's likely Apple will launch the products early next year, McCarron said.
Macworld, to be held Jan. 14 to Jan. 18 in San Francisco, is a big product showcase for Apple, and most likely the first Penryn-based Apple server and workstations and will be announced there, analysts said.
"Some of the rumors have been 'Apple's been buying [Intel chips] up.' It's not like Apple will have it on their systems exclusively," Bhavnani said. Hewlett-Packard and Lenovo have already announced workstations carrying Intel's new Xeon 5400 processor based on the 45-nanometer Penryn architecture. Apple won't rush to make a major announcement until Macworld, though it could announce a minor laptop or desktop refresh, Bhavnani said.
Intel is working on Penryn products with around 40 system vendors, including Apple, said Stephen Smith, director for Intel's digital enterprise group operations. Intel cannot comment on Apple product releases, Smith said.
When Apple does put Penryn chips on Mac OS systems, users will be thrilled by the chip's improved graphics performance, Bhavnani said. The new chip's focus is high-definition, and Intel focused on improving video compression capabilities on the chips, which could improve a Mac's graphics capabilities, Bhavnani said.
"Because of the reputation Apple has for graphics and video, that reputation will be enhanced by being one of the first to have Penryn chips," Bhavnani said.
The new chips will also be more power efficient and provide better overall system performance, Bhavnani said.
Apple does not comment on speculation, a company spokeswoman said.
While Apple is tight-lipped about the introduction of new Mac systems with Intel's latest Penryn processors, analysts said the company's Unix-based Xserve servers could be the first to include the power-efficient Penryn chips.
Rumors predict Apple's Mac Pro workstations being the first Mac system to include Penryn processors, though it makes sense for Apple to first plug Penryn chips into Xserve machines to start upgrading its product portfolio from the top, analysts said.
The first Penryn chips, like the Xeon 5400, are the upper echelon of chips designed to first appear in servers and high-end desktops, not home PCs, said Samir Bhavnani, an analyst with NPD Group. The first introductions could be Xserves and Mac Pro systems, then other Mac desktops and laptops as Intel releases chips for those systems, Bhavnani said.
Apple needs something to replace the rusting Xserve machines, and it would make sense for Apple to release a new server by year's end to immediately upgrade its product portfolio, analysts said.
"It's a no-brainer," said Dan Hutcheson, CEO of analyst firm VLSI Research. "You'd want it in the stores before Christmas," he added. Intel has been manufacturing Penryn chips for some time and has built up a large inventory, so it is feasible that Apple will launch high-end Mac Pro desktops too, Hutcheson said.
Dean McCarron, founder and principal of Mercury Research, agreed that Apple should launch workstations in time for holiday shopping. However, most manufacturers have already locked up product announcements as part of the system refresh cycle for the shopping season, so it's likely Apple will launch the products early next year, McCarron said.
Macworld, to be held Jan. 14 to Jan. 18 in San Francisco, is a big product showcase for Apple, and most likely the first Penryn-based Apple server and workstations and will be announced there, analysts said.
"Some of the rumors have been 'Apple's been buying [Intel chips] up.' It's not like Apple will have it on their systems exclusively," Bhavnani said. Hewlett-Packard and Lenovo have already announced workstations carrying Intel's new Xeon 5400 processor based on the 45-nanometer Penryn architecture. Apple won't rush to make a major announcement until Macworld, though it could announce a minor laptop or desktop refresh, Bhavnani said.
Intel is working on Penryn products with around 40 system vendors, including Apple, said Stephen Smith, director for Intel's digital enterprise group operations. Intel cannot comment on Apple product releases, Smith said.
When Apple does put Penryn chips on Mac OS systems, users will be thrilled by the chip's improved graphics performance, Bhavnani said. The new chip's focus is high-definition, and Intel focused on improving video compression capabilities on the chips, which could improve a Mac's graphics capabilities, Bhavnani said.
"Because of the reputation Apple has for graphics and video, that reputation will be enhanced by being one of the first to have Penryn chips," Bhavnani said.
The new chips will also be more power efficient and provide better overall system performance, Bhavnani said.
Apple does not comment on speculation, a company spokeswoman said.
At least somebody researches these things before they pull these ridiculous November Mac Pro release speculations out of their asses.
Why is ridiculous to have the assumption that Mac Pro could come in November?
? Intel announced the chips this week
? Apple has a history of releasing Pro machines at the end of the year like the Quad G5 I have announced end of October couple of years back.
? wild speculation that Apple had purchased Penryn chips in advance.
? MacPro has passed already from the update cycle.
So it is very reasonable that many of us expect it now or the latest at MWSF.
Don't be too cocky, The November has not ended yet and you might still have to eat your own words.
Volume.
Extensive Hardware Testing against the new Penryn and to adjust any motherboard redaxes to eliminate any gotchas.
We don't know about a new case design.
We know nothing about whether or not that the EFI standard which Intel proclaimed Microsoft will be adding to Vista in 2008 has any added stuff Apple needs to test against before it releases the new systems with new motherboards against the new Penryn platform.
SSE4 support alone will have to be tested in OS X Tiger and Leopard, not to ignore the fact that Nehalem will have to be accounted for when Apple designs its system specs.
They would rather produce a unified motherboard spec to stamp out than to redesign for each chipset.
Extensive Hardware Testing against the new Penryn and to adjust any motherboard redaxes to eliminate any gotchas.
We don't know about a new case design.
We know nothing about whether or not that the EFI standard which Intel proclaimed Microsoft will be adding to Vista in 2008 has any added stuff Apple needs to test against before it releases the new systems with new motherboards against the new Penryn platform.
...
.,etc.
Only volume and production ramp.
The new Intel 45 nm facility in Arizona may be having some teething problems and Intel doesn't know the yield and product mix but I really doubt that the Apple motherboards and cases aren't completely debugged from Intel product out of Oregon. The Pro team has been sitting on it's hands for over a year waiting on Leopard and Penryn it is time to run.
Aren't Pro application updates a sign of new MacPros?
The new Intel 45 nm facility in Arizona may be having some teething problems and Intel doesn't know the yield and product mix but I really doubt that the Apple motherboards and cases aren't completely debugged from Intel product out of Oregon. The Pro team has been sitting on it's hands for over a year waiting on Leopard and Penryn it is time to run.
Aren't Pro application updates a sign of new MacPros?
I'll have to ask a friend at Intel in Oregon. I doubt they are completed. That's the beauty of having worked for NeXT and Apple. You know how the process goes.
Extensive Hardware Testing against the new Penryn and to adjust any motherboard redaxes to eliminate any gotchas.
We don't know about a new case design.
We know nothing about whether or not that the EFI standard which Intel proclaimed Microsoft will be adding to Vista in 2008 has any added stuff Apple needs to test against before it releases the new systems with new motherboards against the new Penryn platform.
...
.,etc.
Sounds very reasonable, But Apple probably had this chips way before their release and announcement for testing.
If indeed happen at MWSF, I think a case redesign will be a must. Maybe Blu-ray drives and Hopefully new ACDs alongside.
I'll have to ask a friend at Intel in Oregon. I doubt they are completed. That's the beauty of having worked for NeXT and Apple. You know how the process goes.
Paul Otellini at IDF 2007 said they are complete and in fabrication at D1D in Oregon and at Fab 32 in Arizona. It took a while to dig through the Intel press releases as some of them sound like only development work occurred in Oregon and all the manufacturing is done in Arizona. However at IDF the keynote claims that production is happening at both locations.
While Apple is tight-lipped about the introduction of new Mac systems with Intel's latest Penryn processors, analysts said the company's Unix-based Xserve servers could be the first to include the power-efficient Penryn chips.
Rumors predict Apple's Mac Pro workstations being the first Mac system to include Penryn processors, though it makes sense for Apple to first plug Penryn chips into Xserve machines to start upgrading its product portfolio from the top, analysts said.
The first Penryn chips, like the Xeon 5400, are the upper echelon of chips designed to first appear in servers and high-end desktops, not home PCs, said Samir Bhavnani, an analyst with NPD Group. The first introductions could be Xserves and Mac Pro systems, then other Mac desktops and laptops as Intel releases chips for those systems, Bhavnani said.
Apple needs something to replace the rusting Xserve machines, and it would make sense for Apple to release a new server by year's end to immediately upgrade its product portfolio, analysts said.
"It's a no-brainer," said Dan Hutcheson, CEO of analyst firm VLSI Research. "You'd want it in the stores before Christmas," he added. Intel has been manufacturing Penryn chips for some time and has built up a large inventory, so it is feasible that Apple will launch high-end Mac Pro desktops too, Hutcheson said.
Dean McCarron, founder and principal of Mercury Research, agreed that Apple should launch workstations in time for holiday shopping. However, most manufacturers have already locked up product announcements as part of the system refresh cycle for the shopping season, so it's likely Apple will launch the products early next year, McCarron said.
Macworld, to be held Jan. 14 to Jan. 18 in San Francisco, is a big product showcase for Apple, and most likely the first Penryn-based Apple server and workstations and will be announced there, analysts said.
"Some of the rumors have been 'Apple's been buying [Intel chips] up.' It's not like Apple will have it on their systems exclusively," Bhavnani said. Hewlett-Packard and Lenovo have already announced workstations carrying Intel's new Xeon 5400 processor based on the 45-nanometer Penryn architecture. Apple won't rush to make a major announcement until Macworld, though it could announce a minor laptop or desktop refresh, Bhavnani said.
Intel is working on Penryn products with around 40 system vendors, including Apple, said Stephen Smith, director for Intel's digital enterprise group operations. Intel cannot comment on Apple product releases, Smith said.
When Apple does put Penryn chips on Mac OS systems, users will be thrilled by the chip's improved graphics performance, Bhavnani said. The new chip's focus is high-definition, and Intel focused on improving video compression capabilities on the chips, which could improve a Mac's graphics capabilities, Bhavnani said.
"Because of the reputation Apple has for graphics and video, that reputation will be enhanced by being one of the first to have Penryn chips," Bhavnani said.
The new chips will also be more power efficient and provide better overall system performance, Bhavnani said.
Apple does not comment on speculation, a company spokeswoman said.
Yes, I read that late in the afternoon. It pretty much says what I'm saying.
Why is ridiculous to have the assumption that Mac Pro could come in November?
? Intel announced the chips this week
? Apple has a history of releasing Pro machines at the end of the year like the Quad G5 I have announced end of October couple of years back.
? wild speculation that Apple had purchased Penryn chips in advance.
? MacPro has passed already from the update cycle.
So it is very reasonable that many of us expect it now or the latest at MWSF.
Don't be too cocky, The November has not ended yet and you might still have to eat your own words.
Macworld is what we're expecting.
I really don't know what Apple will do. I just don't think it would be a good idea to mention it now. Even if they did, I don't think they could deliver it until late December, at the earliest.
Sounds very reasonable, But Apple probably had this chips way before their release and announcement for testing.
If indeed happen at MWSF, I think a case redesign will be a must. Maybe Blu-ray drives and Hopefully new ACDs alongside.
I hate the wait, bring it on.
I don't think we'll see Blu-Ray, OR HD-DVD yet.
Right now, there is no support for the DRM in Leopard. That would have to be added. It was expected that it was the reason why we didn't see those formats in Tiger.
Maybe it will come with 10.5.1, but that's just a hope.
I'd still reckon on a pre-Christmas release for the Mac Pro. MacWorld will be for the ultra-portable and other mobile Penryn products. I guess having two product releases at once could be a good thing given that they are for completely different markets but Apple's hardware updates have been distinctly separate. Also, no more updates this year means people will be very sad and sales will die out completely and Apple will go out of business literally within the space of two months. They can't afford to not update the Mac Pro.
Not yet. But there'll probably be a laptop with a GPU that will hammer both Apple's 'high end' (Har...) GPU options before long... *Shudders.
But there's plenty of Quad core ones going much cheaper. And with better GPUs, HD and Memory. I guess that's why 'people' bring it up.
The fact that for 3d the GPUs Apple offer are 'fine' are a sad reflection on what the user base have come to expect. Anyway, apart from 'just' whining about it...I've posted my feedback Apple's web page on the Pro and the iMac for their 'fine' (read: out of date and under powered...and ram skimped...) machines. I let them know (politely ) how I felt.
Sure. Graphics cards are ok for Photoshop and Illustrator. Eh. Heheh. So was my Proformance 80 back in the day. So? Shipping crap with a unix workstation is B*ll*cks. IN fact. It's bisto b*ll*cks.
There's no dissin' the case or the cpu. But ram and HD are so cheap these days, why wait 18 months before you add more ram and hd space with your basic spec? Ble-urrrrrrrrr! Barf!
Next, Apple will be selling me a £35 18 month contract for the privelage of using one. Hmm. I'll retract that. I don't want to give APple any idEas! :I
Right now, there is no support for the DRM in Leopard. That would have to be added. It was expected that it was the reason why we didn't see those formats in Tiger.
Maybe it will come with 10.5.1, but that's just a hope.
No, Probably not a standard High Def format anyway. The extra expense would fuck up the whole system for everybody. Pardon my french.
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The biggest reason is that there is such a small market for them, that no one cares enough to do it.
As far as third parties go, why bother?
With Apple selling about 500 thousand Mac Pro's a year (hopefully that number is going up), and most users needing nothing more than the cards Apple offers, there is no market for third parties. Independent hackers could get other cards to work, possibly. But to what end? Pro's would never buy them, because there would be no guarantee they would work right.
Yeah, those are good points. Still think there is money to be made here for a 3rd party developer, and I do think that some pro users would take advantage of it if it were available--not to mention all those who continually clamor for a decapitated Mac....
Once you get to know me better, you will learn that I never give up.
Best of luck on that. Maybe someday they'll start listening instead of drooling over specviewperfs.
This is to be expected.
Even with the rumors that Apple is buying up all the 3.2GHz versions of the Xeons they possibly can, I'm HOPING we won't see something until Macworld.
I think your hopes will be met. It would appear as if the analysts favour Macworld for the updated Mac Pro release.
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscente...e_servers.html
Apple Could Build Penryn Into Xserve Servers
Agam Shah, IDG News Service
While Apple is tight-lipped about the introduction of new Mac systems with Intel's latest Penryn processors, analysts said the company's Unix-based Xserve servers could be the first to include the power-efficient Penryn chips.
Rumors predict Apple's Mac Pro workstations being the first Mac system to include Penryn processors, though it makes sense for Apple to first plug Penryn chips into Xserve machines to start upgrading its product portfolio from the top, analysts said.
The first Penryn chips, like the Xeon 5400, are the upper echelon of chips designed to first appear in servers and high-end desktops, not home PCs, said Samir Bhavnani, an analyst with NPD Group. The first introductions could be Xserves and Mac Pro systems, then other Mac desktops and laptops as Intel releases chips for those systems, Bhavnani said.
Apple needs something to replace the rusting Xserve machines, and it would make sense for Apple to release a new server by year's end to immediately upgrade its product portfolio, analysts said.
"It's a no-brainer," said Dan Hutcheson, CEO of analyst firm VLSI Research. "You'd want it in the stores before Christmas," he added. Intel has been manufacturing Penryn chips for some time and has built up a large inventory, so it is feasible that Apple will launch high-end Mac Pro desktops too, Hutcheson said.
Dean McCarron, founder and principal of Mercury Research, agreed that Apple should launch workstations in time for holiday shopping. However, most manufacturers have already locked up product announcements as part of the system refresh cycle for the shopping season, so it's likely Apple will launch the products early next year, McCarron said.
Macworld, to be held Jan. 14 to Jan. 18 in San Francisco, is a big product showcase for Apple, and most likely the first Penryn-based Apple server and workstations and will be announced there, analysts said.
"Some of the rumors have been 'Apple's been buying [Intel chips] up.' It's not like Apple will have it on their systems exclusively," Bhavnani said. Hewlett-Packard and Lenovo have already announced workstations carrying Intel's new Xeon 5400 processor based on the 45-nanometer Penryn architecture. Apple won't rush to make a major announcement until Macworld, though it could announce a minor laptop or desktop refresh, Bhavnani said.
Intel is working on Penryn products with around 40 system vendors, including Apple, said Stephen Smith, director for Intel's digital enterprise group operations. Intel cannot comment on Apple product releases, Smith said.
When Apple does put Penryn chips on Mac OS systems, users will be thrilled by the chip's improved graphics performance, Bhavnani said. The new chip's focus is high-definition, and Intel focused on improving video compression capabilities on the chips, which could improve a Mac's graphics capabilities, Bhavnani said.
"Because of the reputation Apple has for graphics and video, that reputation will be enhanced by being one of the first to have Penryn chips," Bhavnani said.
The new chips will also be more power efficient and provide better overall system performance, Bhavnani said.
Apple does not comment on speculation, a company spokeswoman said.
...............It would appear as if the analysts favour Macworld for the updated Mac Pro release.
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscente...e_servers.html
Apple Could Build Penryn Into Xserve Servers
Agam Shah, IDG News Service
While Apple is tight-lipped about the introduction of new Mac systems with Intel's latest Penryn processors, analysts said the company's Unix-based Xserve servers could be the first to include the power-efficient Penryn chips.
Rumors predict Apple's Mac Pro workstations being the first Mac system to include Penryn processors, though it makes sense for Apple to first plug Penryn chips into Xserve machines to start upgrading its product portfolio from the top, analysts said.
The first Penryn chips, like the Xeon 5400, are the upper echelon of chips designed to first appear in servers and high-end desktops, not home PCs, said Samir Bhavnani, an analyst with NPD Group. The first introductions could be Xserves and Mac Pro systems, then other Mac desktops and laptops as Intel releases chips for those systems, Bhavnani said.
Apple needs something to replace the rusting Xserve machines, and it would make sense for Apple to release a new server by year's end to immediately upgrade its product portfolio, analysts said.
"It's a no-brainer," said Dan Hutcheson, CEO of analyst firm VLSI Research. "You'd want it in the stores before Christmas," he added. Intel has been manufacturing Penryn chips for some time and has built up a large inventory, so it is feasible that Apple will launch high-end Mac Pro desktops too, Hutcheson said.
Dean McCarron, founder and principal of Mercury Research, agreed that Apple should launch workstations in time for holiday shopping. However, most manufacturers have already locked up product announcements as part of the system refresh cycle for the shopping season, so it's likely Apple will launch the products early next year, McCarron said.
Macworld, to be held Jan. 14 to Jan. 18 in San Francisco, is a big product showcase for Apple, and most likely the first Penryn-based Apple server and workstations and will be announced there, analysts said.
"Some of the rumors have been 'Apple's been buying [Intel chips] up.' It's not like Apple will have it on their systems exclusively," Bhavnani said. Hewlett-Packard and Lenovo have already announced workstations carrying Intel's new Xeon 5400 processor based on the 45-nanometer Penryn architecture. Apple won't rush to make a major announcement until Macworld, though it could announce a minor laptop or desktop refresh, Bhavnani said.
Intel is working on Penryn products with around 40 system vendors, including Apple, said Stephen Smith, director for Intel's digital enterprise group operations. Intel cannot comment on Apple product releases, Smith said.
When Apple does put Penryn chips on Mac OS systems, users will be thrilled by the chip's improved graphics performance, Bhavnani said. The new chip's focus is high-definition, and Intel focused on improving video compression capabilities on the chips, which could improve a Mac's graphics capabilities, Bhavnani said.
"Because of the reputation Apple has for graphics and video, that reputation will be enhanced by being one of the first to have Penryn chips," Bhavnani said.
The new chips will also be more power efficient and provide better overall system performance, Bhavnani said.
Apple does not comment on speculation, a company spokeswoman said.
At least somebody researches these things before they pull these ridiculous November Mac Pro release speculations out of their asses.
• Intel announced the chips this week
• Apple has a history of releasing Pro machines at the end of the year like the Quad G5 I have announced end of October couple of years back.
• wild speculation that Apple had purchased Penryn chips in advance.
• MacPro has passed already from the update cycle.
So it is very reasonable that many of us expect it now or the latest at MWSF.
Don't be too cocky, The November has not ended yet and you might still have to eat your own words.
Why is ridiculous to have the assumption that Mac Pro could come in November?
? Intel announced the chips this week
? Apple has a history of releasing Pro machines at the end of the year like the Quad G5 I have announced end of October couple of years back.
? wild speculation that Apple had purchased Penryn chips in advance.
? MacPro has passed already from the update cycle.
So it is very reasonable that many of us expect it now or the latest at MWSF.
Don't be too cocky, The November has not ended yet and you might still have to eat your own words.
Volume.
Extensive Hardware Testing against the new Penryn and to adjust any motherboard redaxes to eliminate any gotchas.
We don't know about a new case design.
We know nothing about whether or not that the EFI standard which Intel proclaimed Microsoft will be adding to Vista in 2008 has any added stuff Apple needs to test against before it releases the new systems with new motherboards against the new Penryn platform.
...
.,etc.
Why is ridiculous to have the assumption that Mac Pro could come in November?
? Intel announced the chips this week
? Apple has a history of releasing Pro machines at the end of the year like the Quad G5 I have announced end of October couple of years back.
? wild speculation that Apple had purchased Penryn chips in advance.
? MacPro has passed already from the update cycle.
So it is very reasonable that many of us expect it now or the latest at MWSF.
Don't be too cocky, The November has not ended yet and you might still have to eat your own words.
Quad G5 didn't require the basic bootloading system to change. Penryn does.
Read: http://www.intel.com/technology/arch...body_45nm_hi-k
SSE4 support alone will have to be tested in OS X Tiger and Leopard, not to ignore the fact that Nehalem will have to be accounted for when Apple designs its system specs.
They would rather produce a unified motherboard spec to stamp out than to redesign for each chipset.
Volume.
Extensive Hardware Testing against the new Penryn and to adjust any motherboard redaxes to eliminate any gotchas.
We don't know about a new case design.
We know nothing about whether or not that the EFI standard which Intel proclaimed Microsoft will be adding to Vista in 2008 has any added stuff Apple needs to test against before it releases the new systems with new motherboards against the new Penryn platform.
...
.,etc.
Only volume and production ramp.
The new Intel 45 nm facility in Arizona may be having some teething problems and Intel doesn't know the yield and product mix but I really doubt that the Apple motherboards and cases aren't completely debugged from Intel product out of Oregon. The Pro team has been sitting on it's hands for over a year waiting on Leopard and Penryn it is time to run.
Aren't Pro application updates a sign of new MacPros?
Only volume and production ramp.
The new Intel 45 nm facility in Arizona may be having some teething problems and Intel doesn't know the yield and product mix but I really doubt that the Apple motherboards and cases aren't completely debugged from Intel product out of Oregon. The Pro team has been sitting on it's hands for over a year waiting on Leopard and Penryn it is time to run.
Aren't Pro application updates a sign of new MacPros?
I'll have to ask a friend at Intel in Oregon. I doubt they are completed. That's the beauty of having worked for NeXT and Apple. You know how the process goes.
Volume.
Extensive Hardware Testing against the new Penryn and to adjust any motherboard redaxes to eliminate any gotchas.
We don't know about a new case design.
We know nothing about whether or not that the EFI standard which Intel proclaimed Microsoft will be adding to Vista in 2008 has any added stuff Apple needs to test against before it releases the new systems with new motherboards against the new Penryn platform.
...
.,etc.
Sounds very reasonable, But Apple probably had this chips way before their release and announcement for testing.
If indeed happen at MWSF, I think a case redesign will be a must. Maybe Blu-ray drives and Hopefully new ACDs alongside.
I hate the wait, bring it on.
I'll have to ask a friend at Intel in Oregon. I doubt they are completed. That's the beauty of having worked for NeXT and Apple. You know how the process goes.
Paul Otellini at IDF 2007 said they are complete and in fabrication at D1D in Oregon and at Fab 32 in Arizona. It took a while to dig through the Intel press releases as some of them sound like only development work occurred in Oregon and all the manufacturing is done in Arizona. However at IDF the keynote claims that production is happening at both locations.
http://download.intel.com/pressroom/...iniKeynote.pdf
http://download.intel.com/pressroom/...teOtellini.pdf
I think your hopes will be met. It would appear as if the analysts favour Macworld for the updated Mac Pro release.
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscente...e_servers.html
Apple Could Build Penryn Into Xserve Servers
Agam Shah, IDG News Service
While Apple is tight-lipped about the introduction of new Mac systems with Intel's latest Penryn processors, analysts said the company's Unix-based Xserve servers could be the first to include the power-efficient Penryn chips.
Rumors predict Apple's Mac Pro workstations being the first Mac system to include Penryn processors, though it makes sense for Apple to first plug Penryn chips into Xserve machines to start upgrading its product portfolio from the top, analysts said.
The first Penryn chips, like the Xeon 5400, are the upper echelon of chips designed to first appear in servers and high-end desktops, not home PCs, said Samir Bhavnani, an analyst with NPD Group. The first introductions could be Xserves and Mac Pro systems, then other Mac desktops and laptops as Intel releases chips for those systems, Bhavnani said.
Apple needs something to replace the rusting Xserve machines, and it would make sense for Apple to release a new server by year's end to immediately upgrade its product portfolio, analysts said.
"It's a no-brainer," said Dan Hutcheson, CEO of analyst firm VLSI Research. "You'd want it in the stores before Christmas," he added. Intel has been manufacturing Penryn chips for some time and has built up a large inventory, so it is feasible that Apple will launch high-end Mac Pro desktops too, Hutcheson said.
Dean McCarron, founder and principal of Mercury Research, agreed that Apple should launch workstations in time for holiday shopping. However, most manufacturers have already locked up product announcements as part of the system refresh cycle for the shopping season, so it's likely Apple will launch the products early next year, McCarron said.
Macworld, to be held Jan. 14 to Jan. 18 in San Francisco, is a big product showcase for Apple, and most likely the first Penryn-based Apple server and workstations and will be announced there, analysts said.
"Some of the rumors have been 'Apple's been buying [Intel chips] up.' It's not like Apple will have it on their systems exclusively," Bhavnani said. Hewlett-Packard and Lenovo have already announced workstations carrying Intel's new Xeon 5400 processor based on the 45-nanometer Penryn architecture. Apple won't rush to make a major announcement until Macworld, though it could announce a minor laptop or desktop refresh, Bhavnani said.
Intel is working on Penryn products with around 40 system vendors, including Apple, said Stephen Smith, director for Intel's digital enterprise group operations. Intel cannot comment on Apple product releases, Smith said.
When Apple does put Penryn chips on Mac OS systems, users will be thrilled by the chip's improved graphics performance, Bhavnani said. The new chip's focus is high-definition, and Intel focused on improving video compression capabilities on the chips, which could improve a Mac's graphics capabilities, Bhavnani said.
"Because of the reputation Apple has for graphics and video, that reputation will be enhanced by being one of the first to have Penryn chips," Bhavnani said.
The new chips will also be more power efficient and provide better overall system performance, Bhavnani said.
Apple does not comment on speculation, a company spokeswoman said.
Yes, I read that late in the afternoon. It pretty much says what I'm saying.
At least somebody researches these things before they pull these ridiculous November Mac Pro release speculations out of their asses.
There's logic to it as well. That's all I'm going by.
Why is ridiculous to have the assumption that Mac Pro could come in November?
? Intel announced the chips this week
? Apple has a history of releasing Pro machines at the end of the year like the Quad G5 I have announced end of October couple of years back.
? wild speculation that Apple had purchased Penryn chips in advance.
? MacPro has passed already from the update cycle.
So it is very reasonable that many of us expect it now or the latest at MWSF.
Don't be too cocky, The November has not ended yet and you might still have to eat your own words.
Macworld is what we're expecting.
I really don't know what Apple will do. I just don't think it would be a good idea to mention it now. Even if they did, I don't think they could deliver it until late December, at the earliest.
So, what would be the point?
I'll stick by my concept.
Sounds very reasonable, But Apple probably had this chips way before their release and announcement for testing.
If indeed happen at MWSF, I think a case redesign will be a must. Maybe Blu-ray drives and Hopefully new ACDs alongside.
I hate the wait, bring it on.
I don't think we'll see Blu-Ray, OR HD-DVD yet.
Right now, there is no support for the DRM in Leopard. That would have to be added. It was expected that it was the reason why we didn't see those formats in Tiger.
Maybe it will come with 10.5.1, but that's just a hope.
Once you get to know me better, you will learn that I never give up.
That can soon be cured.
*Starts up his chainsaw.
Lemon Bon Bon.
Once you get to know me better, you will learn that I never give up.
Judging by the amount of posts you have, too much spare time on yer hands. Or you have a franchise of Melgross doing the posts for you.
Try whacking off more. And a Horlix before bed time.
Lemon Bon Bon.
no mid-price tower has 8 cores.
Not yet. But there'll probably be a laptop with a GPU that will hammer both Apple's 'high end' (Har...) GPU options before long... *Shudders.
But there's plenty of Quad core ones going much cheaper. And with better GPUs, HD and Memory. I guess that's why 'people' bring it up.
The fact that for 3d the GPUs Apple offer are 'fine' are a sad reflection on what the user base have come to expect. Anyway, apart from 'just' whining about it...I've posted my feedback Apple's web page on the Pro and the iMac for their 'fine' (read: out of date and under powered...and ram skimped...) machines. I let them know (politely
Sure. Graphics cards are ok for Photoshop and Illustrator. Eh. Heheh. So was my Proformance 80 back in the day. So? Shipping crap with a unix workstation is B*ll*cks. IN fact. It's bisto b*ll*cks.
There's no dissin' the case or the cpu. But ram and HD are so cheap these days, why wait 18 months before you add more ram and hd space with your basic spec? Ble-urrrrrrrrr! Barf!
Next, Apple will be selling me a £35 18 month contract for the privelage of using one. Hmm. I'll retract that. I don't want to give APple any idEas! :I
Lemon Bon Bon.
I don't think we'll see Blu-Ray, OR HD-DVD yet.
Right now, there is no support for the DRM in Leopard. That would have to be added. It was expected that it was the reason why we didn't see those formats in Tiger.
Maybe it will come with 10.5.1, but that's just a hope.
No, Probably not a standard High Def format anyway. The extra expense would fuck up the whole system for everybody. Pardon my french.