We may see BD sooner rather than later. The word is now out that Paramount may switch to BD. Supposedly, there is an opt-out clause in the contract with Toshiba, that if Warner moves exclusively to BD (they are the biggest), then Paramount, and I also assume Dreamworks, can move over as well.
If this is true, then bye bye HD-DVD. There is no way Universal would stay by themselves as exclusively HD-DVD.
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If that's true- then why no Blu-ray now?? Pc's already have them - there is no reason why not now.
8 cores is good. It's something that will make these machines more future proof.
It will take more time to have most apps use more than two cpu's. Meanwhile, multitasking has never been more efficient.
You got that right. I bought the dual xeon 3.0 last year and although it has 4 cores none of the high end graphic/video apps take advantage of them, at least by observing the performance monitor. In addition, I would recommend not buying more than 4 gigs of ram for the same reason. I have 8 gigs and it never touches more than 2 in any situation I have observed.
You got that right. I bought the dual xeon 3.0 last year and although it has 4 cores none of the high end graphic/video apps take advantage of them, at least by observing the performance monitor. In addition, I would recommend not buying more than 4 gigs of ram for the same reason. I have 8 gigs and it never touches more than 2 in any situation I have observed.
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Never touches more than 2 GB of Ram ? I wonder what you're doing because once i start Leopard , PS CS3 , AE CS3 and Firefox i'm already over 1.0GB of ram without even doing anything in those apps. Once i open project in AE and some small files in PS that are part of AE's composition , i'm well above 2GB.
Never touches more than 2 GB of Ram ? I wonder what you're doing because once i start Leopard , PS CS3 , AE CS3 and Firefox i'm already over 1.0GB of ram without even doing anything in those apps. Once i open project in AE and some small files in PS that are part of AE's composition , i'm well above 2GB.
It's definitely not that hard to use memory. I've had mine use 5GB, wired + active pretty often. Nearly 10GB if you include inactive. I don't have Leopard, or anything CS3. Part of the idea is that programs you often use should stay in memory so it's there & running when you need it.
Was hoping for new displays or maybe bundled blu-ray drive (guess you can add it later).
Thinking outloud about the changes made and whether I am going to pull the trigger now:
The new graphics cards are not bad. Would love to be able to afford the workstation card but...$$$ 8800GT might be a good compromise.
FSB 1333->1600, memory 667->800mhz (dunno if it matters with latency)
Per processor cache 4mb->12mb
+SSE4
It should be a bit more than 12%. Don't forget the 4core -> 8core going from 3.0 -> 3.2. On top of that they will be running more efficient under the 45nm vs the 60nm. I was expecting these to be announced before macworld. I'm going to wait till after mac world to see 2 things.
A) if a pro-sumer / xmac tower comes out.
If it is possible to buy a quad 2.8 and add a quad 2.8 later on for octo goodness when one has hte money.
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Overall ~12% performance bump over previous well equipped Mac Pro? Can't wait for some hard data. Have to justify that the $6k is worth it to the wife compared to the $2k for a 24" iMac.
I wasn't asking about burning. I was asking about playing them. You need to have a special program to play the encrypted and BD+ video. Windows has some... PowerDVD and others. Any out there for Mac? If so we could most likely buy a drive from Newegg.com and slap it in the mac pro and play till our little hearts content.
I'm unimpressed. Not by Apple but by Penryn. When you look at official benchmarks , in 3D and video apps , 3.2Ghz Penryn is only 10% faster than previous 3.0Ghz 8core. So if you take into account 200Mhz extra Penryn is sporting , clock for clock it's probably exactly same performace. (i'm not talking about performace per watt or per $$$)
Clock for clock, according to testing in Anandtech, and other places, Penyrn is about 5 to 10% faster, and SSE4, when a program is written to use the new functions, is showing a 20 to 40% improvement.
For portables, that goes along with a 5 to 20% improvement in battery life for an otherwise identical machine, depending on what the computer is being asked to do.
I wasn't asking about burning. I was asking about playing them. You need to have a special program to play the encrypted and BD+ video. Windows has some... PowerDVD and others. Any out there for Mac? If so we could most likely buy a drive from Newegg.com and slap it in the mac pro and play till our little hearts content.
I see what you are saying. I really don't know. I do know that Toast Titanium, as JeffDM mentioned above, and Apple's DVD Studio Pro has support for creating blue-laser discs.
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We may see BD sooner rather than later. The word is now out that Paramount may switch to BD. Supposedly, there is an opt-out clause in the contract with Toshiba, that if Warner moves exclusively to BD (they are the biggest), then Paramount, and I also assume Dreamworks, can move over as well.
If this is true, then bye bye HD-DVD. There is no way Universal would stay by themselves as exclusively HD-DVD.
.
If that's true- then why no Blu-ray now?? Pc's already have them - there is no reason why not now.
or only in windows?
8 cores is good. It's something that will make these machines more future proof.
It will take more time to have most apps use more than two cpu's. Meanwhile, multitasking has never been more efficient.
You got that right. I bought the dual xeon 3.0 last year and although it has 4 cores none of the high end graphic/video apps take advantage of them, at least by observing the performance monitor. In addition, I would recommend not buying more than 4 gigs of ram for the same reason. I have 8 gigs and it never touches more than 2 in any situation I have observed.
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that is the limit of the intel chip set.
AMD / ATI and NVIDIA AMD chipset as FULL pci-e 2.0.
also $800 for a raid card with only 4 ports??
you get severs board with on board hardware raid for about $100 more then the non sever one.
Is it it really comparable in capabilities? RAID-5 and a 3 day battery backup?
If that's true- then why no Blu-ray now?? Pc's already have them - there is no reason why not now.
You can buy them for Mac and there is common Mac software that will utilize them.
Awesome. Any site listing the applications taking advantage of the full 8 cores?
That would be good to know.
PS: I just bought the $2,800 model.
You got that right. I bought the dual xeon 3.0 last year and although it has 4 cores none of the high end graphic/video apps take advantage of them, at least by observing the performance monitor. In addition, I would recommend not buying more than 4 gigs of ram for the same reason. I have 8 gigs and it never touches more than 2 in any situation I have observed.
M
Never touches more than 2 GB of Ram ? I wonder what you're doing because once i start Leopard , PS CS3 , AE CS3 and Firefox i'm already over 1.0GB of ram without even doing anything in those apps. Once i open project in AE and some small files in PS that are part of AE's composition , i'm well above 2GB.
Never touches more than 2 GB of Ram ? I wonder what you're doing because once i start Leopard , PS CS3 , AE CS3 and Firefox i'm already over 1.0GB of ram without even doing anything in those apps. Once i open project in AE and some small files in PS that are part of AE's composition , i'm well above 2GB.
It's definitely not that hard to use memory. I've had mine use 5GB, wired + active pretty often. Nearly 10GB if you include inactive. I don't have Leopard, or anything CS3. Part of the idea is that programs you often use should stay in memory so it's there & running when you need it.
Was hoping for new displays
Thinking outloud about the changes made and whether I am going to pull the trigger now:
The new graphics cards are not bad. Would love to be able to afford the workstation card but...$$$ 8800GT might be a good compromise.
FSB 1333->1600, memory 667->800mhz (dunno if it matters with latency)
Per processor cache 4mb->12mb
+SSE4
It should be a bit more than 12%. Don't forget the 4core -> 8core going from 3.0 -> 3.2. On top of that they will be running more efficient under the 45nm vs the 60nm. I was expecting these to be announced before macworld. I'm going to wait till after mac world to see 2 things.
A) if a pro-sumer / xmac tower comes out.
Overall ~12% performance bump over previous well equipped Mac Pro? Can't wait for some hard data. Have to justify that the $6k is worth it to the wife compared to the $2k for a 24" iMac.
Divorce is always an option as well.
You can buy them for Mac and there is common Mac software that will utilize them.
That would be good to know.
PS: I just bought the $2,800 model.
Curious, what mac programs will utilize playing blu-ray???
add a 2th ati 2600xt for $100 will cross fire work it put the briges in? or the card come with the brige ports on it?
or only in windows?
I don't believe this machine has Crossfire. I went through the whole apple mac pro site and didn't see it mentioned one time. Did i miss it?
Divorce is always an option as well.
That's even more expensive.
Curious, what mac programs will utilize playing blu-ray???
Toast will write data to Blu-Ray, but I don't know if it would write Blu-Ray compatible video discs or not.
one thing is new is One Quad core CPU option...
this morning, i thought i slept for one week, geez one more week to go ...
I'm unimpressed. Not by Apple but by Penryn. When you look at official benchmarks , in 3D and video apps , 3.2Ghz Penryn is only 10% faster than previous 3.0Ghz 8core. So if you take into account 200Mhz extra Penryn is sporting , clock for clock it's probably exactly same performace. (i'm not talking about performace per watt or per $$$)
Clock for clock, according to testing in Anandtech, and other places, Penyrn is about 5 to 10% faster, and SSE4, when a program is written to use the new functions, is showing a 20 to 40% improvement.
For portables, that goes along with a 5 to 20% improvement in battery life for an otherwise identical machine, depending on what the computer is being asked to do.
I wasn't asking about burning. I was asking about playing them. You need to have a special program to play the encrypted and BD+ video. Windows has some... PowerDVD and others. Any out there for Mac? If so we could most likely buy a drive from Newegg.com and slap it in the mac pro and play till our little hearts content.
I see what you are saying. I really don't know. I do know that Toast Titanium, as JeffDM mentioned above, and Apple's DVD Studio Pro has support for creating blue-laser discs.