More unofficial Mac clones up for sale on eBay

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  • Reply 21 of 329
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lkrupp View Post


    This is a geek squad, pocket protector, live in your parents basement market.



    Most of these will do it on their own time and save the money on buying the freely downloaded OS. Only some weird subset of non-technical, esoteric geek would even consider the Psystar Hackintosh.
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  • Reply 22 of 329
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    Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post


    Does Apple's inaction signal they are more willing to consider licensing OSX to run on 3rd party hardware? Are they now willing to become the next Microsoft? We'll likely see in the next couple of weeks. I'd anticipate an OSX 'update' soon that could disable these rogue computers... maybe.



    Well, you can't half file a lawsuit or CAD order, what do you want them to do? Consult you first? It can be certain they are not just sitting on their hands.



    BTW, could that case be any UGLIER?!
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  • Reply 23 of 329
    benroethigbenroethig Posts: 2,782member
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    Originally Posted by VinitaBoy View Post


    Steve Jobs is, and has been for the past decade, the most effective and successful CEO in American enterprise. What the crap are you trying to say, Ben? In the past two years ("couple") AAPL has TRIPLED in value! (That's 300% if you're as math challenged as you are in the executive-evaluation arena.)



    No, he's been the most effective for the last half decade. You people seem to forget the the hard times between the original iMac boom and when they introduced the iPod.



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    He moved the Mac from the loser IMB/Motorola platform to Intel.



    Because of necessity. It could have and should have been done after the G4. Instead they went with the G5 until and didn't abandon ship until the bow was under water. If IBM would have put any effort into enhanced version of the 970 series, we'd still be using PowerPCs. If the guy knows anything, its that there are a lot of people of this platform who will believe anything he says without question.
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  • Reply 24 of 329
    minderbinderminderbinder Posts: 1,703member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by VinitaBoy View Post


    Steve Jobs is, and has been for the past decade, the most effective and successful CEO in American enterprise. What the crap are you trying to say, Ben? In the past two years ("couple") AAPL has TRIPLED in value! (That's 300% if you're as math challenged as you are in the executive-evaluation arena.)



    He moved the Mac from the loser IMB/Motorola platform to Intel, thereby giving millions of Windows hostages the ability to break free from their chains with a minimum of pain and angst. And that's only the tip of the revolutionary iceberg that is today's Apple, Inc.!



    HE needs to be taught how to listen? Whoa. I'd believe that observation of Ballmer, Gates, and almost any politician . . . but when it comes to "educating," Steve Jobs, YOU are not the person to do so. Very, very few can fill that position.



    He doesn't listen to customers, he's admitted it publicly.



    It's great that they have done so well making the products SJ wants to make. But that doesn't mean that they could learn something by listening to feedback from customers (and potential customers).
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  • Reply 25 of 329
    vineavinea Posts: 5,585member
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    What is interesting is that the mini outperforms the Aspire M5100 and Dell Inspiron 530 in many benchmarks and doesn't really trail the Psystar much at all except for Quake 4...which is no surprise given the 8600GTS.



    Looking at the Mini's page it seems to do okay performance wise with the exception of graphics.
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  • Reply 26 of 329
    benroethigbenroethig Posts: 2,782member
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    Originally Posted by vinea View Post


    What is interesting is that the mini outperforms the Aspire M5100 and Dell Inspiron 530 in many benchmarks and doesn't really trail the Psystar much at all except for Quake 4...which is no surprise given the 8600GTS.



    Looking at the Mini's page it seems to do okay performance wise with the exception of graphics.



    The Mini's problem has never been the CPU. It's been hard drive size and accessibility of the memory,
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  • Reply 27 of 329
    ros3ntanros3ntan Posts: 201member
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    Originally Posted by BenRoethig View Post


    http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/psy...-32978558.html



    6.9 rating from Cnet

    6.4 rating from users.







    Apple alienating their traditional customer base, the ones that stood by them during the hard times, is exactly why things like Pystar and OSX86 exist.



    ok thanks for the link



    i dont know about Apple alienating their customer base.. All i know is they are alienating people outside Apple.. not inside. i have been a pretty happy with Apple and their services. They keep my computer running like new. and their Apple care is great.



    so, from personal experience, they are not alienating their customer base, which is the user such as myself.
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  • Reply 28 of 329
    benroethigbenroethig Posts: 2,782member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ros3ntan View Post


    ok thanks for the link



    i dont know about Apple alienating their customer base.. All i know is they are alienating people outside Apple.. not inside. i have been a pretty happy with Apple and their services. They keep my computer running like new. and their Apple care is great.



    so, from personal experience, they are not alienating their customer base, which is the user such as myself.



    Most of the people in the xMac/ Psystar threads, are not new customers. Its much easy to deal with the iMac when you buy for the cool factor instead of practicality.
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  • Reply 29 of 329
    ros3ntanros3ntan Posts: 201member
    In addition guys, you buy Apple not for just the computer, but for all their assistance in making their product more enjoyable to use, which why people have been calling Apple users a cult... which i totally disagree.. just because they take care of their customers, does not mean Apple users are a cult.



    either way, when we come down to basics, psystar is a nice computer if you take out the controversy and the updates. it does what it supposed to do at a cheaper price.
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  • Reply 30 of 329
    foo2foo2 Posts: 1,077member
    I'm sure Apple legal is quite busy right now, for instance, gathering hard evidence of Psystar sales (not just distribution for review or photography) with Mac OS X installed, which will be used to assess monetary damages, and busy formulating their response. Assuming it pans out to reality, I believe this will be a copyright infringement case, where the copyright holder (Apple) has not authorized Psystar to copy the packaged software onto computer hard disks. As a copyright holder registered with the Library of Congress, Apple will be able to request 3X damages (3X the actual damages). Psystar will of course have a hefty legal bill to contend with, as well.
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  • Reply 31 of 329
    benroethigbenroethig Posts: 2,782member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ros3ntan View Post


    just because they take care of their customers,



    They used to atleast. My first decade on the Mac I called Apple care a waste of money.
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  • Reply 32 of 329
    ros3ntanros3ntan Posts: 201member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BenRoethig View Post


    They used to atleast. My first decade on the Mac I called Apple care a waste of money.



    well... actually in my experience, it saves me a lot of money. I brought it back and it would have cost me close to $800 to replace the logicboard twice without apple care.



    my complain is actually, why cant the macbook handle the heavy load of running mac osx and xp and the same time. that has been the source of my problems.
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  • Reply 33 of 329
    ros3ntanros3ntan Posts: 201member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ros3ntan View Post


    well... actually in my experience, it saves me a lot of money. I brought it back and it would have cost me close to $800 to replace the logicboard twice without apple care.



    my complain is actually, why cant the macbook handle the heavy load of running mac osx and xp and the same time. that has been the source of my problems.



    although i would agree that some time it can be a waste.. All warranties are a waste of money if the product is working like it suppose to.
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  • Reply 34 of 329
    ros3ntanros3ntan Posts: 201member
    speaking of apple care,



    http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/22...s-tech-support



    i just found this article
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  • Reply 35 of 329
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ros3ntan View Post


    my complaint is actually, why cant the macbook handle the heavy load of running mac osx and xp and the same time. that has been the source of my problems.



    It can. How much RAM do you have?



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ros3ntan View Post


    All warranties are a waste of money if the product is working.



    I don't agree with that POV. You have warranties to offer peace of mind in case something does go wrong, but it's better not be bothered with the downtime.
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  • Reply 36 of 329
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,717member
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    Originally Posted by kresh View Post


    Where's the Bluetooth and WiFi? I guess the Mini is a good deal after all



    Or Firewire.



    Also, these models will have problems with Software Update, among others.
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  • Reply 37 of 329
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,954member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BenRoethig View Post


    Because of necessity. It could have and should have been done after the G4. Instead they went with the G5 until and didn't abandon ship until the bow was under water. If IBM would have put any effort into enhanced version of the 970 series, we'd still be using PowerPCs. If the guy knows anything, its that there are a lot of people of this platform who will believe anything he says without question.



    I really don't fault IBM much, it's not as if they were able to find enough buyers for the various G5 chips when they were good chips to justify continued development.
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  • Reply 38 of 329
    ros3ntanros3ntan Posts: 201member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    It can. How much RAM do you have?









    I don't agree with that POV. You have warranties to offer peace of mind in case something does go wrong, but it's better not be bothered with the downtime.



    I have 2 GB of ram. Its working.. its just that it shortens the life of the logic board...



    yeah.. but warranties is an indication that we would expect the product to break down... which means the quality is not good.



    Although i appreciate Apple care, a good product is not supposed to break down (and the funny part is we expect it by purchasing apple care). if we dont expect it, why would we buy it.
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  • Reply 39 of 329
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,717member
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    Originally Posted by Bageljoey View Post


    Couldn't Apple just set a high price for a New Install of OSX, like $400, to discourage these grey market challenges? Apple wouldn't be restricting the computers that use the os (gets around the legal issues) but it would make it difficult to undercut the prices so much...



    As many have postulated before, they could call the OSX versions that they sell retail "upgrade" versions that are only legal for use with machines that already have the "New Install" version (which would come automatically with any Apple built machine).



    I dunno, the fanboy in me wants to see these guys quashed but the rest of me roots for the underdog/maverick.



    They could, but they would have to do something that would only allow them to get installed on a genuine Mac.



    And then we would have the hackers in another fight, breaking Apple's restrictions.
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  • Reply 40 of 329
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,717member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ros3ntan View Post


    do u have the link?? i want to see the review..



    There's just one that we know of. There's a video of it on YouTube.
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