So my question is, should I wait for the 3rd generation of Iphone or splurge now? Will the battery issues, cut, copy and paste, and video recording be in the 3rd generation or will we again get bits and pieces?
Your opinions please!!!
I stood in line a year ago, and bought the first generation iPhone. I had a year of use, and then stood in line for the 3g. I sold my first iPhone yesterday for $350 on eBay. I say don't wait!
In its analysis of the matter, Anandtech noted that Apple has been unable to achieve a substantial edge over other smartphones for 3G Internet use because it "doesn't design any of the chips or battery technology that goes into the iPhone, [and therefore] doesn't really have much control over things like 3G battery life."
That observation, however, lends hidden promise for future generations of the touch-screen handset. Apple recently purchased boutique microprocessor design firm PA Sem
I'm not sure I buy that. I think the fact that they can chose from several 3rd party offerings is an advantage. If they fabricated (or will fabricate) their own chips, they're stuck to them, even if they're mediocre.
I'm not sure I buy that. I think the fact that they can chose from several 3rd party offerings is an advantage. If they fabricated (or will fabricate) their own chips, they're stuck to them, even if they're mediocre.
I don't buy it either. Apple plays the long game but there is too much time, effort & money involved and evidence that Apple could do better. There are plenty of other aspects that P.A. Semi can benefit Apple as well as ways for Apple to better manage the power management with firmware upgrades.
NO- just a replaceable battery. NOt having one is regressive not progressive.
Why continue complaining about the replaceable battery? This has been apart of Apple's design philosophy for seven years and it's obviously not going to change.
There are many other phones that offer repleacable batteries.
the reports are just about right. consider the phone like less of a phone and more like a computer, though, and its a reasonable lifetime. if you need more, just go to 2g or buy a battery extender dongle.
Why continue complaining about the replaceable battery? This has been apart of Apple's design philosophy for seven years and it's obviously not going to change.
There are many other phones that offer repleacable batteries.
I agree. I mean i used the first gen iphone and i never really had problems with the battery. the ipod that i have loses the battery after 3 long years. And 3 years is a very long time for Apple not to come up with something. pretty sure by then, Apple will have 5th generation iphone already. Which carries more features.
2) Yeah, just like iPods have a swappable battery after 7 years
3) It's already "free" now, but essentially the iPhone will stay at much the same price but have more features and memory, like all the other products Apple sells.
You can buy this model iPhone 3G and pray that some after-market company manages to design a battery that fits into the iPhone that will double the present battery life. Even if it costs $50 or so. I told anybody that would listen that the iPhone is too good a device to put down and the end result will be a short-lived battery life. What's really amusing is that Apple decided to use a battery with less reserve in this model even though the 3G would potentially be a power hog. I would have traded for a thicker case with longer battery life in an instant.
Lucas Arts is coming out with a Star Wars game for the iPhone. Looks great, so be prepared to spend hours running down the battery with no replacement in sight. There is also a rechargeable battery booster for the iPhone 3G on the near horizon. It's supposed to arrive sometime in late August. It's bulky as hell, but what the hey, better than having a completely dead iPhone.
Why is there this assumption that the stronger the signal, the longer the battery life. One has nothing to do with the other.
We're talking about RF. The amplification is the same regardless. The only difference is in the reception. With a stronger signal, you get better reception, with less noise. There is no difference in RF amplification internally. That's fixed by the RF sensitivity.
The received level at the phone has nothing to do with battery life as the same amount of battery power is used to receive a strong or week signal. It's totally different when sending however.
The phone only uses at much transmit power as needed to keep a given signal strength at the cell tower and that is controlled using protocol between the phone and the tower. The farther the phone is from the tower the more power the phone has to use to keep a useable signal at the tower.
The signal strength drops off at the square of the distance so you get half the signal at 200 feet as you would at 100 feet and one forth the signal at 400 feet as you would at 100 feet. If you were 1,000 feet from a 100 foot cell tower you would need 10 time the power to reach it as you would if you were sitting directly under it. If your phone needed 2 watts to reach the tower at 1,000 feet it would only need .2 watts if you were under it. So as you can see you phone will use more power the farther you are away from the tower.
Bottom line is that you need to test under the exact same conditions which includes accessing the same tower from the same location at the same time. If you run the test on different days from different locations your going to get totally different results.
The best way to test is in a screen room with a cell phone tester. I bet that none of the magazines have one although they could rent a facility but that's going to cost several thousands of dollars a day.
Why is this unsettling again? we all know that 3g uses more battery life than edge.. so it should be expected that the phone will not last as long as the original.
The unsettling fact is apple has yet to deliver on its promises of 5 hours browsing time.
btw, why are they comparing 3g and edge on battery life???
I live in a strong 3G signal area and managed four hours 27 minutes of browsing and app downloading last night. The iPhone was fully charged before I started and I put it back on the charger when it was at the 10% warning (so I could have probably had another 25 minutes or so of browsing.)
The time must be affected by the strength of the signal. Previous mobile phones would chew through the battery in a very short space of time when used in a weak signal area. The phone is in touch with the cell tower so it transmits periodically to let the network know that it is online.
I had an Orange UK mobile (samsung D900) and at home the signal was very poor (one bar to zero) Normally you would get days of standby time but at home the phone would last no-longer than a day without being charged due to the weak signal.
(If you are browsing the web then you are transmitting packet data back to the cell tower, the closer the cell the less transmit power is used)
I'm not sure I buy that. I think the fact that they can chose from several 3rd party offerings is an advantage. If they fabricated (or will fabricate) their own chips, they're stuck to them, even if they're mediocre.
Not true. Every phone maker has access to the same chips. It's actually quite good that Apple has achieved such good battery performance.
But, if Apple did design their own chips, and they didn't meet expectations, they could always go back to something else. Apple's new chip division doesn't fab anything themselves.
I doubt if they would move over until their own designs did what they wanted them to do.
The advantage to being a design house rather than a chip manufacturer is that they don't have those up front costs of running and owning those factories.
It's also why so many smaller chip companies use third party manufacturers such as Chartered to make their product for them. It's even possible that Apple could work out a deal with Intel. Likely? Maybe not, but possible.
Given that EGDE is **not bad at all** for most uses when there are four or more bars, V1 is beginning to look better and better.
Perhaps I will hold off for a bit before buying V2.
Don't listen to all of the naysayers. I had a v1 and now have the 3G. The browsing speed annihilates edge and the wifi signal strength is also much improved.
Battery life is excellent, if you need more talk time turn 3G off, turn the brightness to auto etc just normal power saving stuff. Switch on 3G when you are browsing (it only takes a sec to pop on the 3G network).
Edge & gprs is more than fast enough to cope with google maps and GPS tracking.
Compared to previous handsets I have had, Nokia N70, N73 & N95 the battery life is ace.
Also, all of you moaning about a removable battery. No one has carried multiple cell phone batteries around with them since the 80's.
The phone only uses at much transmit power as needed to keep a given signal strength at the cell tower and that is controlled using protocol between the phone and the tower. The farther the phone is from the tower the more power the phone has to use to keep a useable signal at the tower.
The signal strength drops off at the square of the distance so you get half the signal at 200 feet as you would at 100 feet and one forth the signal at 400 feet as you would at 100 feet. If you were 1,000 feet from a 100 foot cell tower you would need 10 time the power to reach it as you would if you were sitting directly under it. If your phone needed 2 watts to reach the tower at 1,000 feet it would only need .2 watts if you were under it. So as you can see you phone will use more power the farther you are away from the tower.
If so, that's interesting, as portable transmitters don't normally work that way.
I find the edge network herein NYC to be almost non existent and that the ATT services are abysmal compared to Verizon.
I almost was never without coverage anywhere that I went and rarely did I run out of battery power.
This phone is a HUGE disappointment after waiting all these months.
It's not the phone that sucks in your case it's the carrier.
The iPhone is a gem. Has great battery life FOR A 3G PHONE. But as I said before, 3G kills batteries. I am just waiting to get 2nd gen one running on TMobile. EDGE works fast enough for me and I'd rather not have to constantly search for an outlet to charge my phone throughout the day.
You can always turn off the 3g network and get the same battery life. Nothing to lose really if you really want to get the new one. the 3g signal is not as good. but if you turn off the 3g, it will revert back to edge and edge signal strength.
Actually you DO have something to lose: your money. AT&T will charge you for the 3G data plan regardless if you use it or not.
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So my question is, should I wait for the 3rd generation of Iphone or splurge now? Will the battery issues, cut, copy and paste, and video recording be in the 3rd generation or will we again get bits and pieces?
Your opinions please!!!
I stood in line a year ago, and bought the first generation iPhone. I had a year of use, and then stood in line for the 3g. I sold my first iPhone yesterday for $350 on eBay. I say don't wait!
In its analysis of the matter, Anandtech noted that Apple has been unable to achieve a substantial edge over other smartphones for 3G Internet use because it "doesn't design any of the chips or battery technology that goes into the iPhone, [and therefore] doesn't really have much control over things like 3G battery life."
That observation, however, lends hidden promise for future generations of the touch-screen handset. Apple recently purchased boutique microprocessor design firm PA Sem
I'm not sure I buy that. I think the fact that they can chose from several 3rd party offerings is an advantage. If they fabricated (or will fabricate) their own chips, they're stuck to them, even if they're mediocre.
I find the edge network herein NYC to be almost non existent and that the ATT services are abysmal compared to Verizon.
I almost was never without coverage anywhere that I went and rarely did I run out of battery power.
This phone is a HUGE disappointment after waiting all these months.
This isn't true at all. AT&T has reasonably good coverage. You really think the hundreds of thousands of iPhone's around NY are getting bad coverage.
It's being compared to see what, if any, difference there may be. As we can see, it's quite a lot.
Hope everyone here remembers those who stated quite definitely, that there was NO difference in power usage between EDGE and 3G.
That was despite overwhelming evidence that there was.
I know people who owns other 3g phones. They all experienced more battery drainage then edge.
I'm not sure I buy that. I think the fact that they can chose from several 3rd party offerings is an advantage. If they fabricated (or will fabricate) their own chips, they're stuck to them, even if they're mediocre.
I don't buy it either. Apple plays the long game but there is too much time, effort & money involved and evidence that Apple could do better. There are plenty of other aspects that P.A. Semi can benefit Apple as well as ways for Apple to better manage the power management with firmware upgrades.
NO- just a replaceable battery. NOt having one is regressive not progressive.
Why continue complaining about the replaceable battery? This has been apart of Apple's design philosophy for seven years and it's obviously not going to change.
There are many other phones that offer repleacable batteries.
Why continue complaining about the replaceable battery? This has been apart of Apple's design philosophy for seven years and it's obviously not going to change.
There are many other phones that offer repleacable batteries.
I agree. I mean i used the first gen iphone and i never really had problems with the battery. the ipod that i have loses the battery after 3 long years. And 3 years is a very long time for Apple not to come up with something. pretty sure by then, Apple will have 5th generation iphone already. Which carries more features.
WAIT!
1.)It will have a better camera.
2.) It should have a swappable battery.
3.)It will be half the price.
1) Probably
2) Yeah, just like iPods have a swappable battery after 7 years
3) It's already "free" now, but essentially the iPhone will stay at much the same price but have more features and memory, like all the other products Apple sells.
Lucas Arts is coming out with a Star Wars game for the iPhone. Looks great, so be prepared to spend hours running down the battery with no replacement in sight. There is also a rechargeable battery booster for the iPhone 3G on the near horizon. It's supposed to arrive sometime in late August. It's bulky as hell, but what the hey, better than having a completely dead iPhone.
Why is there this assumption that the stronger the signal, the longer the battery life. One has nothing to do with the other.
We're talking about RF. The amplification is the same regardless. The only difference is in the reception. With a stronger signal, you get better reception, with less noise. There is no difference in RF amplification internally. That's fixed by the RF sensitivity.
The received level at the phone has nothing to do with battery life as the same amount of battery power is used to receive a strong or week signal. It's totally different when sending however.
The phone only uses at much transmit power as needed to keep a given signal strength at the cell tower and that is controlled using protocol between the phone and the tower. The farther the phone is from the tower the more power the phone has to use to keep a useable signal at the tower.
The signal strength drops off at the square of the distance so you get half the signal at 200 feet as you would at 100 feet and one forth the signal at 400 feet as you would at 100 feet. If you were 1,000 feet from a 100 foot cell tower you would need 10 time the power to reach it as you would if you were sitting directly under it. If your phone needed 2 watts to reach the tower at 1,000 feet it would only need .2 watts if you were under it. So as you can see you phone will use more power the farther you are away from the tower.
Bottom line is that you need to test under the exact same conditions which includes accessing the same tower from the same location at the same time. If you run the test on different days from different locations your going to get totally different results.
The best way to test is in a screen room with a cell phone tester. I bet that none of the magazines have one although they could rent a facility but that's going to cost several thousands of dollars a day.
I find the edge network herein NYC to be almost non existent and that the ATT services are abysmal compared to Verizon.
I almost was never without coverage anywhere that I went and rarely did I run out of battery power.
This phone is a HUGE disappointment after waiting all these months.
What did you expect?
You also don't mention the phone you used. Please do so.
Why is this unsettling again? we all know that 3g uses more battery life than edge.. so it should be expected that the phone will not last as long as the original.
The unsettling fact is apple has yet to deliver on its promises of 5 hours browsing time.
btw, why are they comparing 3g and edge on battery life???
I live in a strong 3G signal area and managed four hours 27 minutes of browsing and app downloading last night. The iPhone was fully charged before I started and I put it back on the charger when it was at the 10% warning (so I could have probably had another 25 minutes or so of browsing.)
The time must be affected by the strength of the signal. Previous mobile phones would chew through the battery in a very short space of time when used in a weak signal area. The phone is in touch with the cell tower so it transmits periodically to let the network know that it is online.
I had an Orange UK mobile (samsung D900) and at home the signal was very poor (one bar to zero) Normally you would get days of standby time but at home the phone would last no-longer than a day without being charged due to the weak signal.
(If you are browsing the web then you are transmitting packet data back to the cell tower, the closer the cell the less transmit power is used)
I'm not sure I buy that. I think the fact that they can chose from several 3rd party offerings is an advantage. If they fabricated (or will fabricate) their own chips, they're stuck to them, even if they're mediocre.
Not true. Every phone maker has access to the same chips. It's actually quite good that Apple has achieved such good battery performance.
But, if Apple did design their own chips, and they didn't meet expectations, they could always go back to something else. Apple's new chip division doesn't fab anything themselves.
I doubt if they would move over until their own designs did what they wanted them to do.
The advantage to being a design house rather than a chip manufacturer is that they don't have those up front costs of running and owning those factories.
It's also why so many smaller chip companies use third party manufacturers such as Chartered to make their product for them. It's even possible that Apple could work out a deal with Intel. Likely? Maybe not, but possible.
I know people who owns other 3g phones. They all experienced more battery drainage then edge.
That's what I'm saying.
We had people here saying, "Not true, not true, Apples lying to us about this."
That is disappointing.
Given that EGDE is **not bad at all** for most uses when there are four or more bars, V1 is beginning to look better and better.
Perhaps I will hold off for a bit before buying V2.
Don't listen to all of the naysayers. I had a v1 and now have the 3G. The browsing speed annihilates edge and the wifi signal strength is also much improved.
Battery life is excellent, if you need more talk time turn 3G off, turn the brightness to auto etc just normal power saving stuff. Switch on 3G when you are browsing (it only takes a sec to pop on the 3G network).
Edge & gprs is more than fast enough to cope with google maps and GPS tracking.
Compared to previous handsets I have had, Nokia N70, N73 & N95 the battery life is ace.
Also, all of you moaning about a removable battery. No one has carried multiple cell phone batteries around with them since the 80's.
The phone only uses at much transmit power as needed to keep a given signal strength at the cell tower and that is controlled using protocol between the phone and the tower. The farther the phone is from the tower the more power the phone has to use to keep a useable signal at the tower.
The signal strength drops off at the square of the distance so you get half the signal at 200 feet as you would at 100 feet and one forth the signal at 400 feet as you would at 100 feet. If you were 1,000 feet from a 100 foot cell tower you would need 10 time the power to reach it as you would if you were sitting directly under it. If your phone needed 2 watts to reach the tower at 1,000 feet it would only need .2 watts if you were under it. So as you can see you phone will use more power the farther you are away from the tower.
If so, that's interesting, as portable transmitters don't normally work that way.
I find the edge network herein NYC to be almost non existent and that the ATT services are abysmal compared to Verizon.
I almost was never without coverage anywhere that I went and rarely did I run out of battery power.
This phone is a HUGE disappointment after waiting all these months.
It's not the phone that sucks in your case it's the carrier.
The iPhone is a gem. Has great battery life FOR A 3G PHONE. But as I said before, 3G kills batteries. I am just waiting to get 2nd gen one running on TMobile. EDGE works fast enough for me and I'd rather not have to constantly search for an outlet to charge my phone throughout the day.
You can always turn off the 3g network and get the same battery life. Nothing to lose really if you really want to get the new one. the 3g signal is not as good. but if you turn off the 3g, it will revert back to edge and edge signal strength.
Actually you DO have something to lose: your money. AT&T will charge you for the 3G data plan regardless if you use it or not.
That's what I'm saying.
We had people here saying, "Not true, not true, Apples lying to us about this."
What did happen to those people? They were pretty fervent about Apple cheating them out of 3G and lying about it.