You state the PB battery you never change and then state in the next sentence it's ready for a new battery? What am I missing here?
How often so you use your iPod?
And I wouldn't expect a product (iPhone) only 1 year old to need replacement with it's battery.
The PB is 5 years old. The battery holds a little less than an hour charge. To use it unplugged for multiple hours it needs a new battery. I've never felt the need to buy a new battery. Plus with the iPhone I carry my notebook a lot less than I used to.
I've used the iPod a lot over the years. In New York you walk and take mass transit. I use it less post iPhone.
Thanks for the info. However I do believe that it will have a replaceable battery eventually. It's more of a minus than a plus not to have it. One shouldn't have to send in their phone to replace it if it dwindles or dies and not all batteries last exactly the same life span anyway. Who cares when an iPod starts too dwindle- it's not your communication lifeline but your phone is.
What came first: PC 's meaning as a computer or Politically Correct?
You might be right. While we won't know until, and if it happens, it's possible that someday Apple will move to a replaceable battery.
But, to tell the truth, the old iPhone, at least (the new one is too new to know) is very reliable, and sturdy.
But, on the street, and on the subway here in NYC, I've seen plenty of people over the years dropping their portable whatnots, and the first thing that happens is that the battery pops off. Often they can't get it to attach again, because the small catches are broken on either the battery, or phone. I have a couple of phones here from my daughter's friends that had this happen, that they asked me to fix. Unfortunately, that wasn't possible, and they needed new phones.
I don't think it will happen. There are structural and engineering benefits to not having a user-replaceable battery. I do think the screws and non-soldered battery will mean that Apple Stores (and perhaps carrier affiliated stores) will be able to change the battery for you in the future. There is no need to announce it yet as the 3G is new.
While I agree with those reasons, and have used them myself, There could come a time when Apple may have no choice.
If it's either using a much bigger battery, or figuring out a way to have a replaceable one, Apple may choose a replaceable one. For reasons of being "PC".
It's a matter of sales. If Apple sees sales as being impacted significantly, they may not have a choice.
Right now, very few people care, but with more power draw, it might be required.
According to Ifixit, the 3G has only 1150 mAh. Does anyone know if that is true? I went for the 3GJUICE battery which has over 1600 mAh. The 3G Juice battery gives my 3G an extra battery life when I click it in the 30 pins socket. I love it because I hate cables. See also a round up of these devices in Ars Technica.
According to Ifixit, the 3G has only 1150 mAh. Does anyone know if that is true? I went for the 3GJUICE battery which has over 1600 mAh. It gives my 3G an extra life when I click it in the 30 pins socket. I love it because I hate cables. See also a round up of these devices in Ars Technica.
3G Juice are sayign 1150mAh, but I thought it was 1700mAh, but if IFixIT is sayign 1150mAh then I'd trust that as I know they've disassembled it and have no reason to lie about it.
3G Juice are sayign 1150mAh, but I thought it was 1700mAh, but if IFixIT is sayign 1150mAh then I'd trust that as I know they've disassembled it and have no reason to lie about it.
tnx, but where does 3G juice say it's 1150 mAh? What is the link?
3G Juice are sayign 1150mAh, but I thought it was 1700mAh, but if IFixIT is sayign 1150mAh then I'd trust that as I know they've disassembled it and have no reason to lie about it.
I thought the original phone had a 1400mAh battery, and they went to this 1150mAh version for the 3G.
tnx, but where does 3G juice say it's 1150 mAh? What is the link?
You post the link to 3g Juice (though you missed a period after 'www'). In their defense they do qualify the statement with "some say".
If you say iFixIt says differently, I'd be inclined to believe them, but I can't find it on their site.
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Originally Posted by melgross
I thought the original phone had a 1400mAh battery, and they went to this 1150mAh version for the 3G.
Me too, but I keep hearing 1150mAh, but it doesn't add up. What does make to me is that the original iPhone has the 1400mAh and the new iPhone has a 1700mAh battery. On EDGE the original iPhone got 8 hours of talk time. That is 175mAh for EDGE talk time. If the new iPhone has some better power management since the inception of the original iPhone OS X v1.0 or earlier when the 8 hours was determined and 300 more mAh is giving to the iPhone 3G, then the 10 hours of EDGE talk time makes sense. (I have the flu and I'm tired so that probably didn't make much sense... will fix in the morning if my rational is wonky)
Here is a site that lists iPhone and iPod facts and it has the original iPhone with a 1400mAh battery...
You post the link to 3g Juice (though you missed a period after 'www'). In their defense they do qualify the statement with "some say".
If you say iFixIt says differently, I'd be inclined to believe them, but I can't find it on their site.
Me too, but I keep hearing 1150mAh, but it doesn't add up. What does make to me is that the original iPhone has the 1400mAh and the new iPhone has a 1700mAh battery. On EDGE the original iPhone got 8 hours of talk time. That is 175mAh for EDGE talk time. If the new iPhone has some better power management since the inception of the original iPhone OS X v1.0 or earlier when the 8 hours was determined and 300 more mAh is giving to the iPhone 3G, then the 10 hours of EDGE talk time makes sense. (I have the flu and I'm tired so that probably didn't make much sense... will fix in the morning if my rational is wonky)
Here is a site that lists iPhone and iPod facts and it has the original iPhone with a 1400mAh battery...
I see in http://www.3gjuice.com/2008/07/15/3g...and-powerfull/ a document quoted from ifixit.. I think they are thrust worthy. Really hope to have a solid answer backed up with some links.. Is it 1400? Is it 1150? (It's NOT 1700 for al kinds of reasons). Or is it a secret?
Well, it is a year later. They could have wrung more efficiency out of the thing.
I hope you feel better soon. Is this flu season where you are?
Better HW and SW power management and more efficient EDGE radio, but I can only magine getting 25% more usage out of the same size battery as the the old model. Getting 25% more time and lowering the battery's mAh by 18% just seems phenomenal. Plus, if Apple did advertise 1400mAh I don't see that changes only weeks before the launch date; then again the plastic to glass cover was changed rather quickly.
"This, iFixit claims, will probably lead the way to user-replaceable batteries - more so given that this actual battery lists a capacity of 1150 mAh, not the 1400 mAh Apple originally advertised, which probably means more powerful batteries might be on their way. It is safe to assume this is the case, since soldering will not be needed to put the battery into place in the new iPhone 3G."
I see in http://www.3gjuice.com/2008/07/15/3g...and-powerfull/ a document quoted from ifixit.. I think they are thrust worthy. Really hope to have a solid answer backed up with some links.. Is it 1400? Is it 1150? (It's NOT 1700 for al kinds of reasons). Or is it a secret?
Regardless, I'm waiting for the Mophie Juice Pack.
Regardless, I'm waiting for the Mophie Juice Pack.
I thought exactly the same.
But then I used my brains.
I compared power to beauty. Those smaller batteries win. Also 3-4 Mophie Juices in my travel bag is not handy. I have to unmount the thing all the time during long trips. With these click on batteries like the 3gjuice, I can throw a handful in my bag and when my battery dies, I revive it in seconds...
I compared power to beauty. Those smaller batteries win. Also 3-4 Mophie Juices in my travel bag is not handy. I have to unmount the thing all the time during long trips. With these click on batteries like the 3gjuice, I can throw a handful in my bag and when my battery dies, I revive it in seconds...
My "brain-less" reason was that an 1800mAh battery + the iPhone's battery was plenty to get me through a busy day of internet usage. Not to mention it doubles as a protective case and doesn't require a separate charging unit as it has a 30-pin connector at its base. And if I actually need more, which I doubt, I can always buy a 3G Juice pack with will uncomfortably plug into the bottom.
My "brain-less" reason was that an 1800mAh battery + the iPhone's battery was plenty to get me through a busy day of internet usage. Not to mention it doubles as a protective case and doesn't require a separate charging unit as it has a 30-pin connector at its base. And if I actually need more, which I doubt, I can always buy a 3G Juice pack with will uncomfortably plug into the bottom.
I said, 'And then I used my brains'. I usually never do. Oh well, guess they sell these different versions because there are different users, like you and me. I'm not only going for style or power, but also for bucks. 3x Mophun = $290 3x 3G JUICE = $115. I travel a lot and need juice. Me needs lot of it.
I don't know. I looked at that already. It won't fit any silicone cases, or any other cases. Too clumsy for me. I prefer a unit that I can attach when there's some free time instead.
I don't know. I looked at that already. It won't fit any silicone cases, or any other cases. Too clumsy for me. I prefer a unit that I can attach when there's some free time instead.
well, i know you are looking for something that will be usable for phone use, i.e. attached, but I had a great experience with a long international flight (10+ hours) with my iPhone, watched 2 movies and 2 tv shows and played games the rest of the time - and both the Javoedge powerpack showed 'green' and the iPhone was fully charged at the end of the flight. I believe the claim on this battery is 5x charge.... I believe it, I had this thing running videos a long time and it worked like a champ for travel. its only drawback is that you can't tell 'how much' is left in it, i think it just goes from green to red, but I haven't seen red yet...
I don't know. I looked at that already. It won't fit any silicone cases, or any other cases. Too clumsy for me. I prefer a unit that I can attach when there's some free time instead.
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You state the PB battery you never change and then state in the next sentence it's ready for a new battery? What am I missing here?
How often so you use your iPod?
And I wouldn't expect a product (iPhone) only 1 year old to need replacement with it's battery.
The PB is 5 years old. The battery holds a little less than an hour charge. To use it unplugged for multiple hours it needs a new battery. I've never felt the need to buy a new battery. Plus with the iPhone I carry my notebook a lot less than I used to.
I've used the iPod a lot over the years. In New York you walk and take mass transit. I use it less post iPhone.
Thanks for the info. However I do believe that it will have a replaceable battery eventually. It's more of a minus than a plus not to have it. One shouldn't have to send in their phone to replace it if it dwindles or dies and not all batteries last exactly the same life span anyway. Who cares when an iPod starts too dwindle- it's not your communication lifeline but your phone is.
What came first: PC 's meaning as a computer or Politically Correct?
You might be right. While we won't know until, and if it happens, it's possible that someday Apple will move to a replaceable battery.
But, to tell the truth, the old iPhone, at least (the new one is too new to know) is very reliable, and sturdy.
But, on the street, and on the subway here in NYC, I've seen plenty of people over the years dropping their portable whatnots, and the first thing that happens is that the battery pops off. Often they can't get it to attach again, because the small catches are broken on either the battery, or phone. I have a couple of phones here from my daughter's friends that had this happen, that they asked me to fix. Unfortunately, that wasn't possible, and they needed new phones.
I don't think it will happen. There are structural and engineering benefits to not having a user-replaceable battery. I do think the screws and non-soldered battery will mean that Apple Stores (and perhaps carrier affiliated stores) will be able to change the battery for you in the future. There is no need to announce it yet as the 3G is new.
While I agree with those reasons, and have used them myself, There could come a time when Apple may have no choice.
If it's either using a much bigger battery, or figuring out a way to have a replaceable one, Apple may choose a replaceable one. For reasons of being "PC".
It's a matter of sales. If Apple sees sales as being impacted significantly, they may not have a choice.
Right now, very few people care, but with more power draw, it might be required.
According to Ifixit, the 3G has only 1150 mAh. Does anyone know if that is true? I went for the 3GJUICE battery which has over 1600 mAh. It gives my 3G an extra life when I click it in the 30 pins socket. I love it because I hate cables. See also a round up of these devices in Ars Technica.
3G Juice are sayign 1150mAh, but I thought it was 1700mAh, but if IFixIT is sayign 1150mAh then I'd trust that as I know they've disassembled it and have no reason to lie about it.
3G Juice are sayign 1150mAh, but I thought it was 1700mAh, but if IFixIT is sayign 1150mAh then I'd trust that as I know they've disassembled it and have no reason to lie about it.
tnx, but where does 3G juice say it's 1150 mAh? What is the link?
3G Juice are sayign 1150mAh, but I thought it was 1700mAh, but if IFixIT is sayign 1150mAh then I'd trust that as I know they've disassembled it and have no reason to lie about it.
I thought the original phone had a 1400mAh battery, and they went to this 1150mAh version for the 3G.
I thought the original phone had a 1400mAh battery, and they went to this 1150mAh version for the 3G.
I had that thought too, but I can't find many references on the web. Is it a secret?
tnx, but where does 3G juice say it's 1150 mAh? What is the link?
You post the link to 3g Juice (though you missed a period after 'www'). In their defense they do qualify the statement with "some say".
If you say iFixIt says differently, I'd be inclined to believe them, but I can't find it on their site.
I thought the original phone had a 1400mAh battery, and they went to this 1150mAh version for the 3G.
Me too, but I keep hearing 1150mAh, but it doesn't add up. What does make to me is that the original iPhone has the 1400mAh and the new iPhone has a 1700mAh battery. On EDGE the original iPhone got 8 hours of talk time. That is 175mAh for EDGE talk time. If the new iPhone has some better power management since the inception of the original iPhone OS X v1.0 or earlier when the 8 hours was determined and 300 more mAh is giving to the iPhone 3G, then the 10 hours of EDGE talk time makes sense. (I have the flu and I'm tired so that probably didn't make much sense... will fix in the morning if my rational is wonky)
Here is a site that lists iPhone and iPod facts and it has the original iPhone with a 1400mAh battery...
You post the link to 3g Juice (though you missed a period after 'www'). In their defense they do qualify the statement with "some say".
If you say iFixIt says differently, I'd be inclined to believe them, but I can't find it on their site.
Me too, but I keep hearing 1150mAh, but it doesn't add up. What does make to me is that the original iPhone has the 1400mAh and the new iPhone has a 1700mAh battery. On EDGE the original iPhone got 8 hours of talk time. That is 175mAh for EDGE talk time. If the new iPhone has some better power management since the inception of the original iPhone OS X v1.0 or earlier when the 8 hours was determined and 300 more mAh is giving to the iPhone 3G, then the 10 hours of EDGE talk time makes sense. (I have the flu and I'm tired so that probably didn't make much sense... will fix in the morning if my rational is wonky)
Here is a site that lists iPhone and iPod facts and it has the original iPhone with a 1400mAh battery...
Well, it is a year later. They could have wrung more efficiency out of the thing.
I hope you feel better soon. Is this flu season where you are?
I see in http://www.3gjuice.com/2008/07/15/3g...and-powerfull/ a document quoted from ifixit.. I think they are thrust worthy. Really hope to have a solid answer backed up with some links.. Is it 1400? Is it 1150? (It's NOT 1700 for al kinds of reasons). Or is it a secret?
Well, it is a year later. They could have wrung more efficiency out of the thing.
I hope you feel better soon. Is this flu season where you are?
Better HW and SW power management and more efficient EDGE radio, but I can only magine getting 25% more usage out of the same size battery as the the old model. Getting 25% more time and lowering the battery's mAh by 18% just seems phenomenal. Plus, if Apple did advertise 1400mAh I don't see that changes only weeks before the launch date; then again the plastic to glass cover was changed rather quickly.
That is so confusing..
I see in http://www.3gjuice.com/2008/07/15/3g...and-powerfull/ a document quoted from ifixit.. I think they are thrust worthy. Really hope to have a solid answer backed up with some links.. Is it 1400? Is it 1150? (It's NOT 1700 for al kinds of reasons). Or is it a secret?
Regardless, I'm waiting for the Mophie Juice Pack.
Regardless, I'm waiting for the Mophie Juice Pack.
I thought exactly the same.
But then I used my brains.
I compared power to beauty. Those smaller batteries win. Also 3-4 Mophie Juices in my travel bag is not handy. I have to unmount the thing all the time during long trips. With these click on batteries like the 3gjuice, I can throw a handful in my bag and when my battery dies, I revive it in seconds...
I thought exactly the same.
But then I used my brains.
I compared power to beauty. Those smaller batteries win. Also 3-4 Mophie Juices in my travel bag is not handy. I have to unmount the thing all the time during long trips. With these click on batteries like the 3gjuice, I can throw a handful in my bag and when my battery dies, I revive it in seconds...
My "brain-less" reason was that an 1800mAh battery + the iPhone's battery was plenty to get me through a busy day of internet usage. Not to mention it doubles as a protective case and doesn't require a separate charging unit as it has a 30-pin connector at its base. And if I actually need more, which I doubt, I can always buy a 3G Juice pack with will uncomfortably plug into the bottom.
My "brain-less" reason was that an 1800mAh battery + the iPhone's battery was plenty to get me through a busy day of internet usage. Not to mention it doubles as a protective case and doesn't require a separate charging unit as it has a 30-pin connector at its base. And if I actually need more, which I doubt, I can always buy a 3G Juice pack with will uncomfortably plug into the bottom.
I said, 'And then I used my brains'. I usually never do. Oh well, guess they sell these different versions because there are different users, like you and me. I'm not only going for style or power, but also for bucks. 3x Mophun = $290 3x 3G JUICE = $115. I travel a lot and need juice. Me needs lot of it.
Regardless, I'm waiting for the Mophie Juice Pack.
I found out today the mophie juice pack 3g is shipping October 1st! I already got mine on preorder!!!
http://whenwillapple.com/saywhy/2008...g-october-1st/
I found out today the mophie juice pack 3g is shipping October 1st! I already got mine on preorder!!!
http://whenwillapple.com/saywhy/2008...g-october-1st/
I don't know. I looked at that already. It won't fit any silicone cases, or any other cases. Too clumsy for me. I prefer a unit that I can attach when there's some free time instead.
I don't know. I looked at that already. It won't fit any silicone cases, or any other cases. Too clumsy for me. I prefer a unit that I can attach when there's some free time instead.
well, i know you are looking for something that will be usable for phone use, i.e. attached, but I had a great experience with a long international flight (10+ hours) with my iPhone, watched 2 movies and 2 tv shows and played games the rest of the time - and both the Javoedge powerpack showed 'green' and the iPhone was fully charged at the end of the flight. I believe the claim on this battery is 5x charge.... I believe it, I had this thing running videos a long time and it worked like a champ for travel. its only drawback is that you can't tell 'how much' is left in it, i think it just goes from green to red, but I haven't seen red yet...
http://www.amazon.com/iPhone-Portabl...0497154&sr=8-1
I don't know. I looked at that already. It won't fit any silicone cases, or any other cases. Too clumsy for me. I prefer a unit that I can attach when there's some free time instead.
I intend to use mine as a case.