iPhone 3G and 2.0 affected by buggy software, sensors, wireless

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  • Reply 101 of 187
    steviet02steviet02 Posts: 594member
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    Originally Posted by 8CoreWhore View Post


    ...



    My first iPhone confession: I slept with it last night. xoxoxoxo



    So you're just a 1CoreWhore now?
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  • Reply 102 of 187
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Originally Posted by Linj View Post


    Ok -- UPDATE! Apple tech helped me solve a couple of the problems listed above.



    1. The sync issues were caused by my .mac preference pane's settings. The computer was set to sync with .mac (MobileMe) weekly, rather than hourly or, better, automatically when changes to contacts or calendars are made. Changing the setting has fixed my problems.



    The battery issue may have been related she told me to the iPhone's WiFi setting being left on. The Apple tech said this uses a great deal of battery life. Still seems like a lot to me, though. She said I can go to the Apple store and have a genius do a battery diagnostic if problems continue.



    She said the OS 2.0 lag issues might be due to the fact that the new OS creates a lot more overhead -- guess we'll find out eventually.



    Hope this helps.



    1) Your MM preference pane setting s on your Mac need to be set to automatic. That makes the update go every 15 minutes. The Push currently does not occur upstream from Win-to-MM or Mac-to-MM, but you can adjust the interval of the sync down to one minute if you wish by using the hint below.
    Any coders here want to make Push active by writing a Daemon that will monitor the Modified Date of Bookmarks.plist, Addressbook.abcddb and the Calaendar Cache and initiate the sync when thee is a change? Respectively, the locations for these files are ~/Library/Safari/, ~/Library/Application Support/AddressBook/ and ~/Library/Calendars/





    2) The WiFi thing might be an issue with a memory leak or something with the current v2.0 build, but I'd bet that it's an erroneous comment by the support person. Either one she was told or one she though to because it made since as WiFi is potentially faster than the other wireless communication services. WiFi requires the least amount of power to use, however, if you aren't going to be using WiFi you might as well turn it off as it's pointless to waste what little energy it does use. IF you don't need BlueTooth (which most people don't) turn that off. it's a huge power drain, more than EDGE. But HSDPA/3G/UNTS/W-CDMA uses the most.
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  • Reply 103 of 187
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Originally Posted by 8CoreWhore View Post


    ... I know these apps don't have any background processes running when not launched, but I was wonder if having lots of app.



    I wish videos hosted on videos/google.com would stream, but they're all flash.



    Unless there is an issue with the app not quitting they are just sitting on your drive no running.



    Some of the vids on Google Videos are H.264 and will send you YouTube's site. I suggest just using that. Gogole only updated that site for playback on the iPhone. Probably because most people use it. I didn't even know it was still around. \
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  • Reply 104 of 187
    jbrowdyjbrowdy Posts: 22member
    First Gen iPhone with 2.0 with big time lag issues, especially on contacts. Glad it's not just my phone....
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  • Reply 105 of 187
    wizard69wizard69 Posts: 13,377member
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    Originally Posted by Postulant View Post


    I'm quite pleased with my 3g iPhone. Sure, some apps are a little buggy... but it's still the best damn hand held device out there.



    I never had a chance to purchase the first gen device so my experience is new. That doesn't make it invalid though.



    One just has to realize that version two of the software is basically starting over for Apple. On the surface everything looks similar but it really isn't as a huge amount of work went into the SDK.



    Now I just picked mine up yesterday and basically have been playing with it since. So far pretty damn good if you ask me. This included a complete sync, loading iTunes and other tricks. All have worked well except for AT&T transfer of accounts.



    Now Safari has crashed but it does that on my desk tops too, as does firefox and other software.

    This isn't to imply that crashes are good but highlight that the problem is wider than iPhone.



    The issues with battery life are to be expected. In fAct we where told this by none other than Steve himself. So what is up guys have you stopes believing in Steve Jobs? Moerso have you guys no sense of battery management.



    I mean really is it that hard to turn off what you don't need. It is not much different than turning the lights off in a room you are not using.



    The last item to hit upon is 3G. Of course reception can be bad in places, AT&T has only accomplished a phase one roll out. The number of 3G towers is extremely limited and will be for some time. Just be happy that 3G is there when you need it. Now what really burns my ass is that many people have said in the past that 3G is over hyped and not the last word in RF communications. No one wanted to listen. The simple matter here is that one needs a 3G tower near by for the iPhone to use it.





    Of course like everything else iPhone could be better. What one has to focus on here is Apple. They have a history of making things better over time. This i'm expecting many updates to version 2.0. Frankly it is the reason I went with iPhone, a well supported little device with the potential for money making apps.





    Dave
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  • Reply 106 of 187
    None of the problems I've been experiencing with my iPhone 3G have been as bad as my first few years with Pocket PC phones. I remember performing soft resets at least daily for the first 3 years. With that platform, you had to wait long stretches between updates (1 or 2 a year at most), and then hope that your carrier allowed you to install the update. For some devices the carrier wouldn't provide the software for half a year past when Microsoft released it, and for many devices you simply couldn't upgrade.



    If you were lucky to upgrade, you'd find it still buggy, and then not know if it was the result of third party apps or Microsoft or the phone company's tinkering with the software, since none of them communicated with each other.



    Compare this to Apple's approach: they can provide frequent updates directly to the phone, bypassing the carrier entirely. They actively work with the 3rd party software developers, and have the power to remove software that is too buggy or malicious. And the fact that last year's software was considerably more stable is actually very reassuring to me, sine we know Apple knows how to do it right; they just have to work out the bugs to get things stable again. With Pocket PC, things were very buggy from the beginning, and stayed that way, so you had less hope of things improving. Apple was very smart to not release the SDK at last year's launch, and to focus on stability over features. They developed trust in the brand name that way.



    Sure, things are buggy now, but Apple, more than any other mobile OS company, has the right business model and deployment tools to fix things quickly. That's what switched me over to the iPhone, and that's why I will stick with it happily though this.



    Think about how stretched Apple is right now. Last year they delayed the release of Leopard so they could put more staff on the iPhone. And this year they've added an incredible amount of very new platforms. It'll take time to work this all out, but I believe they will. Their reputation is on the line. Can't say that about Microsoft.
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  • Reply 107 of 187
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,954member
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    Originally Posted by k2director View Post


    Yes, I am. Battery life seems to be 15-25% less on my original 8GB iPhone since I upgraded to the 2.0 OS, and that's even after I've set Mail to check for new messages once an hour, instead of every 15 minutes. Push email on my .Mac account is disabled, but it does use Push for contacts and calendars.





    Also, I notice that the iPhone sometimes reports 1 bar of Wifi reception with my airport signal, even though I may be only a few feet away.



    Does the actual communication seem weak? I managed to use my iPhone maybe 100ft from my AP, though there were a couple times it switched to cellular data. That hand-off between networks seemed to work pretty well.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by shokk View Post


    You say these issues are absent with Apple's own apps, but I experience the most trouble with Safari. It crashes way too often and the keyboard input lagging usually precedes the crash. Very disappointing, but I'm holding out on the hopes that they'll fix things soon.



    I've seen Safari collapse several times today.



    The input "suggestions / corrections" feature seems pretty useless. Its prediction powers just aren't all that great, many common word ending variations don't seem to be there, I think "runni" should bring up "running" but it doesn't .



    I noticed that my "smart" groups in contacts aren't synced.



    The "backup{" operation iTunes does on every sync seems to be quite slow, I don't understand that.



    Overall, it's a pretty nice device, just needs a bit more refinement to get to what we expect from Apple.
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  • Reply 108 of 187
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,557member
    It should now be painfully obvious to everyone but the most zealous fanboys that the iPhone is a complete, abject failure. Apple should remove the device from the market and let companies who know what they're doing produce a working smartphone. Every single user is complaining about problems. Every single blog and web site is trashing it. All Apple centric news sites are reporting that the device is a complete failure. Don't believe me? Just visit the sites and read. AppleInsider is no exception. Just read this thread.
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  • Reply 109 of 187
    guinnessguinness Posts: 473member
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    Originally Posted by lkrupp View Post


    It should now be painfully obvious to everyone but the most zealous fanboys that the iPhone is a complete, abject failure. Apple should remove the device from the market and let companies who know what they're doing produce a working smartphone. Every single user is complaining about problems. Every single blog and web site is trashing it. All Apple centric news sites are reporting that the device is a complete failure. Don't believe me? Just visit the sites and read. AppleInsider is no exception. Just read this thread.



    While I think Apple rushed the gun, and couldn't pull off the 2.0 update, the iPhone 3G launch, the App store launch, and MobileMe transition at the same, due to poor foresight, planning, and poor testing/QC, a couple updates will likely do the trick. But I won't call it a failure by any means.



    Apple just bit off way more than could chew, and if they want to be a major player, they'll get it fixed, less they want to lose customers.
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  • Reply 110 of 187
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,557member
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    While I think Apple rushed the gun, and couldn't pull off the 2.0 update, the iPhone 3G launch, the App store launch, and MobileMe transition at the same, due to poor foresight, planning, and poor testing/QC, a couple updates will likely do the trick. But I won't call it a failure by any means.



    Apple just bit off way more than could chew, and if they want to be a major player, they'll get it fixed, less they want to lose customers.



    No, they should pull the device from the market, cease production, recall and refund every single iPhone, both original and 3G, and leave the building of smart phones to people who know how to build them. Apple doesn't know how. Everyone is dissatisfied with them. Not a single user likes them. Just read this very thread. Not a single poster here is satisfied. AppleInsider itself has trashed the device. I don't know why anyone would buy one. Every iPhone is defective off the shelf. Just read the blogs for heaven's sake.
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  • Reply 111 of 187
    8corewhore8corewhore Posts: 833member
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    Originally Posted by wilco View Post


    No, but you might want to order an original thought.



    you're whining about whining. (ignore - wrong quote)
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  • Reply 112 of 187
    galoregalore Posts: 35member
    I worked with all major cell phone manufacturers except Apple in the past 5 years (SW engineer / multimedia - Symbian/Linux/WinMo) and am impressed by Apple's iPhone SW engineering. It is not even funny how behind the competition is. That includes Google Android.



    So the iPhone has some issues - I've got a 3G iPhone and haven't experienced the lag problem (don't use push service, though, and have only installed 5 apps) or anything really annoying. Given how _incredibly_ complex a device like the iPhone is, it is a wonder that it works as well as it does. If you have never seen source code for a HLOS with the complexity required for a modern smartphone you wouldn't believe how complicated that is.



    For me the main disappointment is the rapid attenuation of the 3G signal inside buildings. Hope that this can be improved via SW (maybe gain tweaks vs. power consumption...).
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  • Reply 113 of 187
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by guinness View Post


    While I think Apple rushed the gun, and couldn't pull off the 2.0 update, the iPhone 3G launch, the App store launch, and MobileMe transition at the same, due to poor foresight, planning, and poor testing/QC, a couple updates will likely do the trick. But I won't call it a failure by any means.



    Apple just bit off way more than could chew, and if they want to be a major player, they'll get it fixed, less they want to lose customers.



    They are in the position where they HAVE to get things fixed, rapidly, or they could really be screwed. If the really work on these issues and correct them, it could work in their favor... much like Lexus a few years back.
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  • Reply 114 of 187
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    you're whining about whining.



    That is all some people do... that is also why the ignore list is useful.
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  • Reply 115 of 187
    tenobelltenobell Posts: 7,014member
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    Originally Posted by Sam Damon View Post


    OS 9.0.4 had issues, but it wasn't nearly as bad as you make it out to be.



    OS 9 was problematic because there was no easy way of adding needed functionality such as real time process based multitasking. Apple would not be able to be where it is today with out dumping OS 9.



    Quote:

    Mac OS X is easily the best OS I've been lucky enough to use on a regular basis (anyone else here remember TOPS-10 and TOPS-20?), but consider just how much work had to happen to get the OS to where it is now.



    iPhone OS X is the same it will need time to mature.
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  • Reply 116 of 187
    tenobelltenobell Posts: 7,014member
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    Originally Posted by steviet02 View Post


    Actually, I think it is a bigger deal than that. If these 3rd party apps are going to be able to effect the core operation of the phone thats a big problem. Isn't this the biggest issue with all the other phones out there? Wasn't this supposed to be the reason Apple was the gate keeper? Apple doesn't seem responsible for 3rd party apps issues so I doubt apple will be issuing fixes for them. But I thought they were to be testing these before acceptance.



    You have to keep it in context. We are in version 1 of everything. The iPhone 2.0, the App Store and all of its apps are all version 1. Developers did not have much time before Apple's deadline. Its not that big of a deal that there are some bugs to resolve.
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  • Reply 117 of 187
    tenobelltenobell Posts: 7,014member
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    Originally Posted by lkrupp View Post


    No, they should pull the device from the market, cease production, recall and refund every single iPhone, both original and 3G, and leave the building of smart phones to people who know how to build them. Apple doesn't know how. Everyone is dissatisfied with them. Not a single user likes them. Just read this very thread. Not a single poster here is satisfied. AppleInsider itself has trashed the device. I don't know why anyone would buy one. Every iPhone is defective off the shelf. Just read the blogs for heaven's sake.



    It seems your aim is to be more pejorative than actually informative or knowledgeable of what you speak.
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  • Reply 118 of 187
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post


    It seems your aim is to be more pejorative than actually informative or knowledgeable of what you speak.



    I thought he was being sarcastic with that comment.





    Just to be clear, I wrote a laundry list of issues I have with v2.0 and how I think Apple could have managed their tri-wreckta launch of MM, v2.0 and 3G. While I'm unsatisfied with the issues I have I'm not unsatisfied with my purchase and certainly considerably more satisfied than with any other cellphone I've ever owned. Plus knowing that firmware updates are already being tested I am not worried.
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  • Reply 119 of 187
    fazekasfazekas Posts: 9member
    I have been getting interface lag, sometimes takes time for interface to re-draw or change to a new screen.



    I have had issues with accelerometer and photos on the iPhone. Sometimes the orientation freezes, won't change when tilted, and will have to re-set the phone.



    Some applications do have issues loading up from time to time...sometimes requiring re-booting the phone.



    It's all becoming a concern. 2.0 clearly has some bugs and needs some patching up, hopefully Apple will get with it soon, these sort of things are not only annoying to the end user, but will be a buzz kill for the iPhone if it persists...I hope they come through.
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  • Reply 120 of 187
    sapporobabysapporobaby Posts: 1,079member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lkrupp View Post


    It should now be painfully obvious to everyone but the most zealous fanboys that the iPhone is a complete, abject failure. Apple should remove the device from the market and let companies who know what they're doing produce a working smartphone. Every single user is complaining about problems. Every single blog and web site is trashing it. All Apple centric news sites are reporting that the device is a complete failure. Don't believe me? Just visit the sites and read. AppleInsider is no exception. Just read this thread.



    This wins the award for the most ridiculous emotional post of this forum. The entire forum. I do not know if you are in the States or somewhere else but the worlds leading phone manufacturer, Nokia, released a phone called the N95. It was a disaster. Shorter battery life than the iPhone, manufacturing defects, etc.... They then released the E90. Same thing. Plenty of blogs, and dissatisfied users as well. Nokia did the smart thing. They fixed them. Period and they both went on to lead the market in sales and satisfied customers. Point of this story. Don't speak unless you are 100% sure of your facts because you are lacking in them. Apple will fix these software problems while Nokia's were also hardware related.



    Sorry dude but your post was OTT, and emotional.
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