what ever happened to the september production transition that will introduce "revolutionary new products at a pricepoint competetors can't match that will result in substantially lower margins and quarterly earnings"???
I'm starting to wonder if the CFO was referring to the iPod.
The iPod family is now completely flash based ? the iPod Shuffle, the iPod Nano and the iPod Touch. The exception of course is the iPod Classic, but the treatment that it got at the event was tantamount to neglect ? you could tell that Steve felt as though there wasn't really much point in spending anymore time on it...
...yeah it could just be a transition to all-flash iPods.
I believe the 10.5.5 update to Mac is the same as 2.1 update to iPod Touch and iPhone so if this update is indeed approaching a release like http://www.appleinsider.com/articles..._narrowed.html said, Apple will not announce the upcoming MB and MBP as late as October 14 IMO.
1) We ewre talking about the relevance of having an optical drive in a personal computer. When one tech in personal computers get trumped by other tech we tend to remove it. Apple seems to jump the gun and other OEMS tend to be bit behind on these matters. This is no way talking about VHS or any home entertainment setup. We are talking about the relevance of optical drive for the majority of users in computers today and the near future.
2) The same way play any other digital file: Stream it, put it on a network share, or copy it to a physical medium that can be transported (like an HDD or flash drive).
3) Oh man! I pointed out the one major benefit that optical media has over any magnetic media. It was a lark. What was your comment about DVDs surviving because BR can play DVDs? That has nothing to do with my comment.
As for your last comment, if you are referring to optical drives, then yes, it's inevitable they will leave notebooks within a couple years. Take a gander at a slim notebook optical drive. It takes up a considerable amount of the computer's overall volume. About 50% more than any 2.5" HDD, I'd say. DVDl drives are slow to read, very slow to write and use too much power compared to other standard storage mediums. You add BR to that and you an even bigger issue with power. If you think that DVD drives will be the average notebook in 10 years, then I'm just completely dumbfounded by that idea.
Again distortions!
1.) What was the relevance of changing to DVD drives from CDs drives in 1999?
2.) Again- How are you to play that file on your neighbor's/relative's Blu-ray machine- no less DVD machine?
3.) Your biggest distortion- I was talking about iMacs- NOT LAPTOPS!!!
I'm VERY glad I pulled the trigger early in April and bought a 2.5 Ghz MacBook Pro. If a newly-designed MacBook Pro does arrive mid-October, this'll mean I'll have gotten a clear six months with a top-of-the-line laptop, and whatever replaces it is unlikely to be revolutionary.
End of the day, you've gotta make the move some time, and better to do it close to the intro date.
I WILL be envious if the new MacBook Pros have built-in Blu-Ray and better screens, but a little faster and minor case design? NOT worth waiting for.
Anyone thought if Apple could subsidize the HD-TV shows. NBC would get more money, as the always wanted, Apple can strengthen its market position in the video land and has the bragging rights to deliver the shows at the announced price. If they sell enough of the shows it could hit Apple's margins.
Finally some decent computer news....you all know Apple started as a computer company? Right?
No they started as a frikkin' running shoe accessory manufacturer God Damn it.
OT: One thing I find hilarious is that Apple thinks a backlit keyboard is an elite PRO feature. WTF. That's quite insulting actually. Backlit devices have been around since the 50's. My frikkin drum machine is backlit. My Indiglo watch from 1985 is backlit. My remote for my air conditioning unit, and billions of other devices.
Oohhh no you can't have Gandalf's blue light of mysticism on your MacBook. Only on the MBP.
How many other laptop manufacturers have models with backlit keyboards?
It's Apple prerogative to choose which features are "pro" and which aren't.
I agree with Success. backlit keyboards aren't a technical breakthrough and they should not be treated as privilege to have. MBP must have things with real substance. After all we pay 1000$ more for them.
Anyone thought if Apple could subsidize the HD-TV shows. NBC would get more money, as the always wanted, Apple can strengthen its market position in the video land and has the bragging rights to deliver the shows at the announced price. If they sell enough of the shows it could hit Apple's margins.
But I could be wrong as usual.
well 2 bucks an episode times (at least) 20 episodes per year = 40 bucks (52 if the show airs the "normal" 26 episodes)
thats as much a (or more than) buying a season from Wal Mart when its released.
So i don't think they are right now ... are you suggesting they should?
How many other laptop manufacturers have models with backlit keyboards?
It's Apple prerogative to choose which features are "pro" and which aren't.
Did I say it WASN'T their perogy? I don't care WHO'S perogy it is. I won't be eating it.
Besides, the only people who bought the MBP over the MB are people who needed the option for PCI audio/video or who preferred titanium over white plastic. Processor and pretty much everything else is the same. The differences aren't worth the steep jump in price [for most people]. And this will definitely be addressed in some type of hardware/laptop revamp.
I'm starting to wonder if the CFO was referring to the iPod.
The iPod family is now completely flash based ? the iPod Shuffle, the iPod Nano and the iPod Touch. The exception of course is the iPod Classic, but the treatment that it got at the event was tantamount to neglect ? you could tell that Steve felt as though there wasn't really much point in spending anymore time on it...
...yeah it could just be a transition to all-flash iPods.
He may have been, but the iPod storage types have remained the same this time around. In fAct, Apple has never changed an iPod storage type without rebranding it (eg, Mini to Nano from 1" HDD to SDD). However, I do think it's the new notebooks are going to be revamped, not just refreshed. It's in line with the other case changes and it fits in with the new low TDP of Intel's new chips. I also think the delay from Intel, which came after earning report, may be the reason we are waiting until Q1 2009 for this transition.
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Originally Posted by ncee
Sorry foks, I still say - we have MacExpo just a few months away, and Steve and Company NEED something big there ? so
- I don't expect much in October ?
- or November ?
- or December ?
Gonna get Montevina for this season.
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Originally Posted by holywarrior007
I agree with Success. backlit keyboards aren't a technical breakthrough and they should not be treated as privilege to have. MBP must have things with real substance. After all we pay 1000$ more for them.
You have a point, but Mr. H also has a point. The pro features of one generation will become the standard features down the road, so while backlit keyboards aren't costly they do make the Pro line stand out. I do think that a BL keyboard on the MB is a possibility, but only if Apple has something else more advanced and marketable for the keyboard or trackpad to make the Pro line stick out by comparison.
Did I say it WASN'T their perogy? I don't care WHO'S perogy it is. I won't be eating it.
Besides, the only people who bought the MBP over the MB are people who needed the option for PCI audio/video or who preferred titanium over white plastic. Processor and pretty much everything else is the same. The differences aren't worth the steep jump in price [for most people]. And this will definitely be addressed in some type of hardware/laptop revamp.
I note you still haven't provided a list of competitor laptops with backlit keyboards.
You are free to not buy a MacBook and get something else.
If you are arguing this from a pure business standpoint (i.e., you think Apple would make more money if the MacBooks had backlit keyboards, as Apple would see a big enough uplift in sales to counter the lower margins), then I don't agree. Backlit keyboards are one of the differentiating factors between Apple's high-end (MacBook Pro and Air) and the low-end (MacBook). It's not an essential feature offered by the majority of Apple's competitors, therefore it makes sense to keep it high-end only. If you don't like that, tough.
edit: Solipsism's final point in the post above is a good one (I read it after posting this).
He may have been, but the iPod storage types have remained the same this time around. In fAct, Apple has never changed an iPod storage type without rebranding it (eg, Mini to Nano from 1" HDD to SDD). However, I do think it's the new notebooks are going to be revamped, not just refreshed. It's in line with the other case changes and it fits in with the new low TDP of Intel's new chips. I also think the delay from Intel, which came after earning report, may be the reason we are waiting until Q1 2009 for this transition.
Gonna get Montevina for this season.
You have a point, but Mr. H also has a point. The pro features of one generation will become the standard features down the road, so while backlit keyboards aren't costly they do make the Pro line stand out. I do think that a BL keyboard on the MB is a possibility, but only if Apple has something else more advanced and marketable for the keyboard or trackpad to make the Pro line stick out by comparison.
So you agree that since Apple doesn't have any other technical advancement to offer for MBPs so they keep things like BL keyboards for MBPs only. And in this way they can eventually stand out in competition with MBs. Which means that Apple is actually fooling us. It also reminds me our last discussion when I asserted that computers aren't priority for Apple now. They are busy with music players and cellphones. I am pretty sure they can come up with really cool ideas to revamp the MBPs, if they focus on computers also.
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what ever happened to the september production transition that will introduce "revolutionary new products at a pricepoint competetors can't match that will result in substantially lower margins and quarterly earnings"???
I'm starting to wonder if the CFO was referring to the iPod.
The iPod family is now completely flash based ? the iPod Shuffle, the iPod Nano and the iPod Touch. The exception of course is the iPod Classic, but the treatment that it got at the event was tantamount to neglect ? you could tell that Steve felt as though there wasn't really much point in spending anymore time on it...
...yeah it could just be a transition to all-flash iPods.
Prices on all the above.
But can't get too aggressive, Steve's not ready yet to put Michael out of business.
If Michael had his act together Steve would already be out of business. And this from an Apple fan.
- I don't expect much in October ?
- or November ?
- or December ?
UNLESS Steve has something REALLY COOL / EXCITING for January, like
- New Monitors ?
- or New Desk top Units ?
- or ITV that simply kicks ass ?
- or the iWrite Tablet ?
- or ???
Skip
- or the iWrite Tablet ?
Option a blu-ray drive to the iMac already.
Is that a sentence or just a random selection of words?!
You might want to reverse that.
1) We ewre talking about the relevance of having an optical drive in a personal computer. When one tech in personal computers get trumped by other tech we tend to remove it. Apple seems to jump the gun and other OEMS tend to be bit behind on these matters. This is no way talking about VHS or any home entertainment setup. We are talking about the relevance of optical drive for the majority of users in computers today and the near future.
2) The same way play any other digital file: Stream it, put it on a network share, or copy it to a physical medium that can be transported (like an HDD or flash drive).
3) Oh man! I pointed out the one major benefit that optical media has over any magnetic media. It was a lark. What was your comment about DVDs surviving because BR can play DVDs? That has nothing to do with my comment.
As for your last comment, if you are referring to optical drives, then yes, it's inevitable they will leave notebooks within a couple years. Take a gander at a slim notebook optical drive. It takes up a considerable amount of the computer's overall volume. About 50% more than any 2.5" HDD, I'd say. DVDl drives are slow to read, very slow to write and use too much power compared to other standard storage mediums. You add BR to that and you an even bigger issue with power. If you think that DVD drives will be the average notebook in 10 years, then I'm just completely dumbfounded by that idea.
Again distortions!
1.) What was the relevance of changing to DVD drives from CDs drives in 1999?
2.) Again- How are you to play that file on your neighbor's/relative's Blu-ray machine- no less DVD machine?
3.) Your biggest distortion- I was talking about iMacs- NOT LAPTOPS!!!
End of the day, you've gotta make the move some time, and better to do it close to the intro date.
I WILL be envious if the new MacBook Pros have built-in Blu-Ray and better screens, but a little faster and minor case design? NOT worth waiting for.
Jake
Is that a sentence or just a random selection of words?!
Both.
Since when does a sentence end in both a question mark and an explanation mark?
Both.
Since when does a sentence end in both a question mark and an explanation mark?
ah, the mighty explanation mark, that explains EVERYTHING!
But I could be wrong as usual.
Finally some decent computer news....you all know Apple started as a computer company? Right?
No they started as a frikkin' running shoe accessory manufacturer God Damn it.
OT: One thing I find hilarious is that Apple thinks a backlit keyboard is an elite PRO feature. WTF. That's quite insulting actually. Backlit devices have been around since the 50's. My frikkin drum machine is backlit. My Indiglo watch from 1985 is backlit. My remote for my air conditioning unit, and billions of other devices.
Oohhh no you can't have Gandalf's blue light of mysticism on your MacBook. Only on the MBP.
Oohhh no you can't have Gandalf's blue light of mysticism on your MacBook. Only on the MBP.
How many other laptop manufacturers have models with backlit keyboards?
It's Apple prerogative to choose which features are "pro" and which aren't.
How many other laptop manufacturers have models with backlit keyboards?
It's Apple prerogative to choose which features are "pro" and which aren't.
I agree with Success. backlit keyboards aren't a technical breakthrough and they should not be treated as privilege to have. MBP must have things with real substance. After all we pay 1000$ more for them.
Anyone thought if Apple could subsidize the HD-TV shows. NBC would get more money, as the always wanted, Apple can strengthen its market position in the video land and has the bragging rights to deliver the shows at the announced price. If they sell enough of the shows it could hit Apple's margins.
But I could be wrong as usual.
well 2 bucks an episode times (at least) 20 episodes per year = 40 bucks (52 if the show airs the "normal" 26 episodes)
thats as much a (or more than) buying a season from Wal Mart when its released.
So i don't think they are right now ... are you suggesting they should?
How many other laptop manufacturers have models with backlit keyboards?
It's Apple prerogative to choose which features are "pro" and which aren't.
Did I say it WASN'T their perogy? I don't care WHO'S perogy it is. I won't be eating it.
Besides, the only people who bought the MBP over the MB are people who needed the option for PCI audio/video or who preferred titanium over white plastic. Processor and pretty much everything else is the same. The differences aren't worth the steep jump in price [for most people]. And this will definitely be addressed in some type of hardware/laptop revamp.
I'm starting to wonder if the CFO was referring to the iPod.
The iPod family is now completely flash based ? the iPod Shuffle, the iPod Nano and the iPod Touch. The exception of course is the iPod Classic, but the treatment that it got at the event was tantamount to neglect ? you could tell that Steve felt as though there wasn't really much point in spending anymore time on it...
...yeah it could just be a transition to all-flash iPods.
He may have been, but the iPod storage types have remained the same this time around. In fAct, Apple has never changed an iPod storage type without rebranding it (eg, Mini to Nano from 1" HDD to SDD). However, I do think it's the new notebooks are going to be revamped, not just refreshed. It's in line with the other case changes and it fits in with the new low TDP of Intel's new chips. I also think the delay from Intel, which came after earning report, may be the reason we are waiting until Q1 2009 for this transition.
Sorry foks, I still say - we have MacExpo just a few months away, and Steve and Company NEED something big there ? so
- I don't expect much in October ?
- or November ?
- or December ?
Gonna get Montevina for this season.
I agree with Success. backlit keyboards aren't a technical breakthrough and they should not be treated as privilege to have. MBP must have things with real substance. After all we pay 1000$ more for them.
You have a point, but Mr. H also has a point. The pro features of one generation will become the standard features down the road, so while backlit keyboards aren't costly they do make the Pro line stand out. I do think that a BL keyboard on the MB is a possibility, but only if Apple has something else more advanced and marketable for the keyboard or trackpad to make the Pro line stick out by comparison.
Did I say it WASN'T their perogy? I don't care WHO'S perogy it is. I won't be eating it.
Besides, the only people who bought the MBP over the MB are people who needed the option for PCI audio/video or who preferred titanium over white plastic. Processor and pretty much everything else is the same. The differences aren't worth the steep jump in price [for most people]. And this will definitely be addressed in some type of hardware/laptop revamp.
I note you still haven't provided a list of competitor laptops with backlit keyboards.
You are free to not buy a MacBook and get something else.
If you are arguing this from a pure business standpoint (i.e., you think Apple would make more money if the MacBooks had backlit keyboards, as Apple would see a big enough uplift in sales to counter the lower margins), then I don't agree. Backlit keyboards are one of the differentiating factors between Apple's high-end (MacBook Pro and Air) and the low-end (MacBook). It's not an essential feature offered by the majority of Apple's competitors, therefore it makes sense to keep it high-end only. If you don't like that, tough.
edit: Solipsism's final point in the post above is a good one (I read it after posting this).
1.) The majority of consumers used VHS in 1999 but Apple put a DVD drive in the iMac SE in Nov 1999.
2.) Doesn't matter 'cause you can't transport data as fast as you can on a disc i.e. HD movies from iMovieHD.
3.) You can play DVDs on BR drives so of course DVDs will survive.
I believe the first iMac to receive a DVD drive was the January 2002 release of the G4 model.
http://support.apple.com/kb/SP93
He may have been, but the iPod storage types have remained the same this time around. In fAct, Apple has never changed an iPod storage type without rebranding it (eg, Mini to Nano from 1" HDD to SDD). However, I do think it's the new notebooks are going to be revamped, not just refreshed. It's in line with the other case changes and it fits in with the new low TDP of Intel's new chips. I also think the delay from Intel, which came after earning report, may be the reason we are waiting until Q1 2009 for this transition.
Gonna get Montevina for this season.
You have a point, but Mr. H also has a point. The pro features of one generation will become the standard features down the road, so while backlit keyboards aren't costly they do make the Pro line stand out. I do think that a BL keyboard on the MB is a possibility, but only if Apple has something else more advanced and marketable for the keyboard or trackpad to make the Pro line stick out by comparison.
So you agree that since Apple doesn't have any other technical advancement to offer for MBPs so they keep things like BL keyboards for MBPs only. And in this way they can eventually stand out in competition with MBs. Which means that Apple is actually fooling us. It also reminds me our last discussion when I asserted that computers aren't priority for Apple now. They are busy with music players and cellphones. I am pretty sure they can come up with really cool ideas to revamp the MBPs, if they focus on computers also.