I think Apple should sell the 13" in 9 colors, just like the new nanos.
That would be a HUGE differentiator, and can you imagine a '1984' redux ad campaign to launch them? All those 'grey' PC laptops sitting in the audience, and here comes COLOR!
The sad thing for Apple, potentially, is that this launch is coming at a time of almost unprecedented belt-tightening by the worldwide consumer. While I will likely be one of the buyers (since this will be my first-ever Mac notebook, rather than an 'upgrade'), I don't know if Apple can count on a hugely robust sales effort...no matter how awesome & cool these new MacBooks turn out to be. There will no doubt be many people waiting on the sidelines to see if that $1,000-$2,000 they would spend on that MacBook is going to have to pay for a mortgage payment instead.
The sad thing for Apple, potentially, is that this launch is coming at a time of almost unprecedented belt-tightening by the worldwide consumer.
People feel they need a computer, so if they feel they need a new one they will justify it. During these economic falls you have to sell harder so having vibrant colours and a new case design would be a smart move as it will help pull people away from getting a different brand that may be a little cheaper.
There is also something to be said for comfort purchases but that logic is completely lot on me. All I know is that I've read that the states lotteries are growing as people are wasting their hard earned money on the worst odds in gambling.
Thats not really good news. If you look in the PC world, Nvidia chipsets are known for running extremely hot, and as being less reliable than Intel chipsets.
Think about what having Apple Engineers working with Intel did for them. Apple wouldn't turn out a product without putting it through the paces first, that's more along the lines of ACER.
Interesting points. I wasn't paying too much attention to PC laptops, but a quick look at Dell "gaming laptops" and I can't see any 8GB Vista Ultimate 64-bit options.
As I said previously, a MacBook Pro with 8GB of RAM, and that will go like hotcakes. During economic hardship is when people that really use their laptops can't afford to waste time or lose out on projects because they didn't have a few extra hundred bucks to get a powerhouse mobile platform. Might turn a few people away from getting Mac Pros to just equipping their staff with MacBook Pros with 8GB RAM.
The MacBook Pro heat problem has really improved, for the Penryn models you could run the two internal fans at say 5000 rpm at say 60% CPU load, and at room temperature the keyboard actually feels a little cool to the touch.
It's the MacBook Pro build quality that has been somewhat atrocious, and the aluminium styling, while making it as light as a MacBook, is prone to some painful bumps and dents... (If you had that happen to your MacBook Pro, you know what I'm talking about...)
Here is a guy running 8GB of RAM in his Thinkpad T61, which is identical to the Macbook Pro from a chipset perspective. If the current MBP is limited to 4GB, that is an artificial limitation created by Apple.
Here is a guy running 8GB of RAM in his Thinkpad T61, which is identical to the Macbook Pro from a chipset perspective. If the current MBP is limited to 4GB, that is an artificial limitation created by Apple.
He also blogged about putting the 4GB modules in a MBP. It works fine. You just have to have a new enough version (late 2007, I think) to address more than 4GB total.
The problem lays with the cost and availability. I can only find 200-pin SO-DIMM 667MHz RAM for notebooks. There is no faster DDR2 RAM or any DDR3 RAM for the newer machines yet. On top of that, the price will set you back almost as much as the notebook cost.
As for Apple not "supporting" it, selling it or listing it as an option, has never meant that it won't work. They often have better specs than they officially support.
He also blogged about putting the 4GB modules in a MBP. It works fine. You just have to have a new enough version (late 2007, I think) to address more than 4GB total.
Well, how about that. I didn't poke around on his blog. You could probably run 16GB on it, if it had four slots.
Well, how about that. I didn't poke around on his blog. You could probably run 16GB on it, if it had four slots.
I was actually doing a search on Google for people that had tried it when his blog came up on top. I think the current chipset will technically allow for 32GB, though I'd wager that,like the pre-Santa Rosa chipsets, some of the addressing would go to the GPU and system so you could use a full 32GB for the actual RAM..
I am under the impression that mobile chipsets are designed to support only 2 RAM bays, so you'd have to put 2x8GB sticks in the slots. If they do support more bays, does anyone like Alienware offer them for their gaming notebooks?
Think about what having Apple Engineers working with Intel did for them. Apple wouldn't turn out a product without putting it through the paces first, that's more along the lines of ACER.
Exactly what DID Apple's engineers do for Intel, rather than what we know Intel's engineers did for Apple?
He also blogged about putting the 4GB modules in a MBP. It works fine. You just have to have a new enough version (late 2007, I think) to address more than 4GB total.
The problem lays with the cost and availability. I can only find 200-pin SO-DIMM 667MHz RAM for notebooks. There is no faster DDR2 RAM or any DDR3 RAM for the newer machines yet. On top of that, the price will set you back almost as much as the notebook cost.
As for Apple not "supporting" it, selling it or listing it as an option, has never meant that it won't work. They often have better specs than they officially support.
Very often, Apple, and other companies, don't acknowledge what they haven't themselves tested. This goes way back. On my own 950, way back, Apple denied that 4 MB modules would work, only 2 MB modules. An engineer told me that Apple DID put the extra pins into the mobo. So I went and bought two 4 MB SIMMS and installed them. They worked well. But they cost a fortune. I was eventually able to put 64 MB RAM into the machine, even though Apple said that it would support 16.
But, at times that doesn't work.
My wife's B/W G3 only supported 256MB DIMMS. I tried a couple of 512MB modules, but the machine only saw the 256 from each. Not a limitation of the OS, which was 10.4, but of the machine.
I am under the impression that mobile chipsets are designed to support only 2 RAM bays, so you'd have to put 2x8GB sticks in the slots. If they do support more bays, does anyone like Alienware offer them for their gaming notebooks?
Dell's Precision "mobile workstations" and some gaming laptops (think Sager) have four memory slots, but they all use desktop processors and chipsets.
Personally I think it's untrue, and we won't see any new MacBooks until Macworld.
I'm in an Applestore right now. I only went on to AI after an employee here who was hekping me with MacBooks suggested there might be an upgrade next week. S/he was telling me I might want to buy now, or wait for the next upgrade. I asked when MacWorld was, s/he said February (I think). I asked about the WWDC, s/he said it had happened earlier this past summer. Then s/he said there was a conference next week, implying the rollout of new products.
OK, I better get off before they come and take me to the back room for interrogation.
I'm in an Applestore right now. I only went on to AI after an employee here who was hekping me with MacBooks suggested there might be an upgrade next week. S/he was telling me I might want to buy now, or wait for the next upgrade. I asked when MacWorld was, s/he said February (I think). I asked about the WWDC, s/he said it had happened earlier this past summer. Then s/he said there was a conference next week, implying the rollout of new products.
OK, I better get off before they come and take me to the back room for interrogation.
I hate to say it, but staff at Applestores know nothing in terms of what is coming up next.
The store CSM (stock manager, there is usually one person in each store that has full SAP access, and deals with every item that goes through the store), may have an inkling as they control stock levels and see what is expected in terms of inventory for the next month or so, but the Mac Specialists and Geniuses know nothing.
I hate to say it, but staff at Applestores know nothing in terms of what is coming up next.
The store CSM (stock manager, there is usually one person in each store that has full SAP access, and deals with every item that goes through the store), may have an inkling as they control stock levels and see what is expected in terms of inventory for the next month or so, but the Mac Specialists and Geniuses know nothing.
Not officially. But I wouldn't be surprised if even at Apple more people see the information then we would expect. Stock managers are just like everyone else. They talk to their friends in the store. Simple things such as, "Yeah, we're getting low on that model, and it doesn't look like any more will be coming in." That's enough for experienced employees to get the gist of what's happening.
I've been waiting for about a year now. They were supposed to come out with aluminum Macbooks at MacWorld08, but that of course turned out to be false. I would really love to put an order in for a new MB in the near future.
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What's the update on the maximum RAM each of these apps can access?
CS4 Photoshop.........2GB
CS4 Illustrator..........2GB
FCS2.......................2GB per application
Logic Studio 8.........2GB
VMWare Fusion.........2GB each 32 bit virtual machine / no limit on 64 bit virtual machines running x64 OS
Parallels Desktop......2GB per virtual machine
I think Apple should sell the 13" in 9 colors, just like the new nanos.
That would be a HUGE differentiator, and can you imagine a '1984' redux ad campaign to launch them? All those 'grey' PC laptops sitting in the audience, and here comes COLOR!
The sad thing for Apple, potentially, is that this launch is coming at a time of almost unprecedented belt-tightening by the worldwide consumer. While I will likely be one of the buyers (since this will be my first-ever Mac notebook, rather than an 'upgrade'), I don't know if Apple can count on a hugely robust sales effort...no matter how awesome & cool these new MacBooks turn out to be. There will no doubt be many people waiting on the sidelines to see if that $1,000-$2,000 they would spend on that MacBook is going to have to pay for a mortgage payment instead.
The sad thing for Apple, potentially, is that this launch is coming at a time of almost unprecedented belt-tightening by the worldwide consumer.
People feel they need a computer, so if they feel they need a new one they will justify it. During these economic falls you have to sell harder so having vibrant colours and a new case design would be a smart move as it will help pull people away from getting a different brand that may be a little cheaper.
There is also something to be said for comfort purchases but that logic is completely lot on me. All I know is that I've read that the states lotteries are growing as people are wasting their hard earned money on the worst odds in gambling.
If you were the last person on the planet, you could scavenge batteries from all the other MacBooks in the world.
Or you could get a generator and run it off of all the fuel sitting in the tanks at the gas stations around the world.
Or you could set up a solar system to charge your batteries.
Or you could set up a wind turbine, or a water turbine?
Or, or, or?
I am sure if you were the last person on the planet, you could find a way to provide power for your electronics for the rest of your (lonely) life?
And if you could, what would you use it for, games, to while away the years in between trying to find food?
...don't forget the time required to deal with the cannibalistic zombie problem that always seems to accompany "last-man-in-the-world" scenarios.
Thats not really good news. If you look in the PC world, Nvidia chipsets are known for running extremely hot, and as being less reliable than Intel chipsets.
Think about what having Apple Engineers working with Intel did for them. Apple wouldn't turn out a product without putting it through the paces first, that's more along the lines of ACER.
-hope it's not the 700 series.
I can haz video lockups?
Interesting points. I wasn't paying too much attention to PC laptops, but a quick look at Dell "gaming laptops" and I can't see any 8GB Vista Ultimate 64-bit options.
As I said previously, a MacBook Pro with 8GB of RAM, and that will go like hotcakes. During economic hardship is when people that really use their laptops can't afford to waste time or lose out on projects because they didn't have a few extra hundred bucks to get a powerhouse mobile platform. Might turn a few people away from getting Mac Pros to just equipping their staff with MacBook Pros with 8GB RAM.
The MacBook Pro heat problem has really improved, for the Penryn models you could run the two internal fans at say 5000 rpm at say 60% CPU load, and at room temperature the keyboard actually feels a little cool to the touch.
It's the MacBook Pro build quality that has been somewhat atrocious, and the aluminium styling, while making it as light as a MacBook, is prone to some painful bumps and dents... (If you had that happen to your MacBook Pro, you know what I'm talking about...)
Here is a guy running 8GB of RAM in his Thinkpad T61, which is identical to the Macbook Pro from a chipset perspective. If the current MBP is limited to 4GB, that is an artificial limitation created by Apple.
Here is a guy running 8GB of RAM in his Thinkpad T61, which is identical to the Macbook Pro from a chipset perspective. If the current MBP is limited to 4GB, that is an artificial limitation created by Apple.
He also blogged about putting the 4GB modules in a MBP. It works fine. You just have to have a new enough version (late 2007, I think) to address more than 4GB total.
The problem lays with the cost and availability. I can only find 200-pin SO-DIMM 667MHz RAM for notebooks. There is no faster DDR2 RAM or any DDR3 RAM for the newer machines yet. On top of that, the price will set you back almost as much as the notebook cost.
As for Apple not "supporting" it, selling it or listing it as an option, has never meant that it won't work. They often have better specs than they officially support.
He also blogged about putting the 4GB modules in a MBP. It works fine. You just have to have a new enough version (late 2007, I think) to address more than 4GB total.
Well, how about that. I didn't poke around on his blog. You could probably run 16GB on it, if it had four slots.
Well, how about that. I didn't poke around on his blog. You could probably run 16GB on it, if it had four slots.
I was actually doing a search on Google for people that had tried it when his blog came up on top. I think the current chipset will technically allow for 32GB, though I'd wager that,like the pre-Santa Rosa chipsets, some of the addressing would go to the GPU and system so you could use a full 32GB for the actual RAM..
I am under the impression that mobile chipsets are designed to support only 2 RAM bays, so you'd have to put 2x8GB sticks in the slots. If they do support more bays, does anyone like Alienware offer them for their gaming notebooks?
"Everything must, and always does change my friend."
who said that?
Think about what having Apple Engineers working with Intel did for them. Apple wouldn't turn out a product without putting it through the paces first, that's more along the lines of ACER.
Exactly what DID Apple's engineers do for Intel, rather than what we know Intel's engineers did for Apple?
He also blogged about putting the 4GB modules in a MBP. It works fine. You just have to have a new enough version (late 2007, I think) to address more than 4GB total.
The problem lays with the cost and availability. I can only find 200-pin SO-DIMM 667MHz RAM for notebooks. There is no faster DDR2 RAM or any DDR3 RAM for the newer machines yet. On top of that, the price will set you back almost as much as the notebook cost.
As for Apple not "supporting" it, selling it or listing it as an option, has never meant that it won't work. They often have better specs than they officially support.
Very often, Apple, and other companies, don't acknowledge what they haven't themselves tested. This goes way back. On my own 950, way back, Apple denied that 4 MB modules would work, only 2 MB modules. An engineer told me that Apple DID put the extra pins into the mobo. So I went and bought two 4 MB SIMMS and installed them. They worked well. But they cost a fortune. I was eventually able to put 64 MB RAM into the machine, even though Apple said that it would support 16.
But, at times that doesn't work.
My wife's B/W G3 only supported 256MB DIMMS. I tried a couple of 512MB modules, but the machine only saw the 256 from each. Not a limitation of the OS, which was 10.4, but of the machine.
I am under the impression that mobile chipsets are designed to support only 2 RAM bays, so you'd have to put 2x8GB sticks in the slots. If they do support more bays, does anyone like Alienware offer them for their gaming notebooks?
Dell's Precision "mobile workstations" and some gaming laptops (think Sager) have four memory slots, but they all use desktop processors and chipsets.
Maybe October 14 2008, or maybe not
This is either untrue or an orchestrated leak.
Personally I think it's untrue, and we won't see any new MacBooks until Macworld.
I'm in an Applestore right now. I only went on to AI after an employee here who was hekping me with MacBooks suggested there might be an upgrade next week. S/he was telling me I might want to buy now, or wait for the next upgrade. I asked when MacWorld was, s/he said February (I think). I asked about the WWDC, s/he said it had happened earlier this past summer. Then s/he said there was a conference next week, implying the rollout of new products.
OK, I better get off before they come and take me to the back room for interrogation.
I'm in an Applestore right now. I only went on to AI after an employee here who was hekping me with MacBooks suggested there might be an upgrade next week. S/he was telling me I might want to buy now, or wait for the next upgrade. I asked when MacWorld was, s/he said February (I think). I asked about the WWDC, s/he said it had happened earlier this past summer. Then s/he said there was a conference next week, implying the rollout of new products.
OK, I better get off before they come and take me to the back room for interrogation.
I hate to say it, but staff at Applestores know nothing in terms of what is coming up next.
The store CSM (stock manager, there is usually one person in each store that has full SAP access, and deals with every item that goes through the store), may have an inkling as they control stock levels and see what is expected in terms of inventory for the next month or so, but the Mac Specialists and Geniuses know nothing.
I hate to say it, but staff at Applestores know nothing in terms of what is coming up next.
The store CSM (stock manager, there is usually one person in each store that has full SAP access, and deals with every item that goes through the store), may have an inkling as they control stock levels and see what is expected in terms of inventory for the next month or so, but the Mac Specialists and Geniuses know nothing.
Not officially. But I wouldn't be surprised if even at Apple more people see the information then we would expect. Stock managers are just like everyone else. They talk to their friends in the store. Simple things such as, "Yeah, we're getting low on that model, and it doesn't look like any more will be coming in." That's enough for experienced employees to get the gist of what's happening.
I asked when MacWorld was, s/he said February (I think).
Macworld 2009 begins on the 5th of January 2009.
I've been waiting for about a year now. They were supposed to come out with aluminum Macbooks at MacWorld08, but that of course turned out to be false. I would really love to put an order in for a new MB in the near future.