Jody, you should just stop posting about the iPhone.
It's clear that you don't know what you're talking about, and even your resources don't say what you're saying.
The fact that Google has an app on the iPhone that 30-55 year old people don't know how ONE multi touch gesture works doesn't mean most users don't know multi-touch is there.
And another thing, some apps are more important than others.
I defy you to show me a study that says most iPhone users don't know about multi-touch gesture uses on the web browser! (remember, it's not fair to limit the study to old people that have trouble with hi-tech devices)
Let's have a look at that Nokia device and see how you navigate over-sized webpages and understand what you're doing.
And as for the iPhone being all JPegs when it was shown, I'd remind you that Jobs was reported to be in peoples offices actually using the phone. Apple didn't run around propping it up in front of the media to stop the stock from sliding and trying to put a hold on customers fleeing the company like Nokia is doing. Apple was hiding it from view so competitors would keep flailing and guys like Balmer would keep saying stupid stuff that proved they have no idea what they, Motorola, Palm, Nokia and Rimm are talking about.
Spanked and put to bed, see ya Jody. \
So should we all go throw our Nokia's and BB's, SE's, etc... away because you have such an enlightened view. You act as though everyone will simply concede the market to Apple. Hey other guys, might as well pack it in. The oracle has spoken. When Nokia sells about 30 million of these N97's and Apple is still trying to break 20 mil, then come back and show me how Nokia and the rest don't get it. By your "logic" it assumes that everyone wants an iPhone and no one was waiting for Nokia to produce this model. Why is it that Apple and AT&T have to use damn near strong arm tactics to make sales. Let's see Apple really compete but allowing an alternative browser, or AT&T allow tethering. Nokia will compete and do well with an Open Source OS, and unlock, unlimited applications that Apple may or may not accept or allow others to violate their own policies. With each passing day on this forum I truly understand why many people hate Apple. It is not the products so much as it is the fanboys behind the products.
You've heard the saying " A man is known by the company he keeps. "
It is reasonably safe to say that pornographers, virus writers, identity phishers, software pirates and spammers are pretty much cut from the same cloth which is why their activities are often interlinked.
And it's safe to just assume that is it! Trial by assumption! This thread is hilarious, I cant quite believe what I am reading. Naivety beyond belief, have you all been living in a box?
Just because I had involvement in the sex industry 11 years ago, does not make me an unscrupulous character then or now, I mean I may have murdered a few people but thats as far as it ever went, all in good spirits though.
Why do people keep saying this will be an iphone killer? It is no way advanced in terms of touch interface compared to the 5800. All it is is a 5800 with better specs. Still the same old Nokia.
And it's safe to just assume that is it! Trial by assumption! This thread is hilarious, I cant quite believe what I am reading. Naivety beyond belief, have you all been living in a box?
Just because I had involvement in the sex industry 11 years ago, does not make me an unscrupulous character then or now, I mean I may have murdered a few people but thats as far as it ever went, all in good spirits though.
Dude. DOn't sweat it. People are people. No need to convince them one way or another. You are wasting your time in this forum with that. This is the cheerleading forum. You made a good point no matter how unpleasing it is to some but that is your right to make a point. I would drop it as this is the myopic side of the forum.
Three things. First, it was a proto, not the final software. If I remember correctly when the iPhone was first shown half the software was nothing but a JPEG!
Two, try using your capacitive touchscreen with gloves on... Oh, sorry you can't. And the iPhone has a minimum operating temperature of 0 degrees C. Total fail there then. Obviously designed only for use in California too.
is that why nokia is so big in your home country? because you can operate them in a freezer? i wonder if you can use a nokia keyboard with gloves on? 'research has shown'? the credentials for the author of that 'research' don't sound too promising: 'helping ... yahoo make compelling products...' huh? zooming in on a map or a photo is so intuitive on the iphone that i wonder if 'the people don't know it's there', use it without realising it...
i accept that the iphone is not for everyone, but it works for me and that is ultimately what matters in deciding where i put my money.
So what does this mean, that we will never see a phone except the iphone with multi-touch functionality? I'm not talking about the gestures here but there must be other ways to benefit from it?
That would be crazy. It'd be like if the use of buttons were patented. It must be a misunderstanding. Of course the world is free to use on screen touch navigation using multiple simultaneous touch inputs...
The big problem is that the Nokia CEO himself said at the launch that the HIGHEST end Nokia's will not use Symbian but Linux maemo that runs on the N8x0 tablets. Who wants to buy a dead-end OS that can't run the highest end phones? Who wants to buy a phone that developers will be reluctant to code apps for, since it's a dead end?
Apparently the decision was made to appease the Asian market. Inputting Asian text is a lot easier on a resistive screen since it's more accurate.
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The big problem is that the Nokia CEO himself said at the launch that the HIGHEST end Nokia's will not use Symbian but Linux maemo that runs on the N8x0 tablets. Who wants to buy a dead-end OS that can't run the highest end phones? Who wants to buy a phone that developers will be reluctant to code apps for, since it's a dead end?
Oh no he didn't! One of the VPs (not the CEO) said that Linux will become a serious alternative to Symbian in high-end models. Source.
it's quite normal to have such presentations computer animated. here's another video that really shows the UI. http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=AD-elt8MN3I and it isn't bad at all.
Let's have a look at that Nokia device and see how you navigate over-sized webpages and understand what you're doing.
You use the navigation keys, like you have to navigate on the iPhone
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And as for the iPhone being all JPegs when it was shown, I'd remind you that Jobs was reported to be in peoples offices actually using the phone.
Wow, Jobs was reported to have been using an early version of one of his companies products, man, damn, well, how can anyone follow up from that. Wow, Apple is amazing, I bet a CEO has never tested a product before.
But that doesn't get around the fact that some parts of the iPhone feature set when Apple presented their hurried original showing, and some parts were just images.
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Originally Posted by wbrasington
Apple didn't run around propping it up in front of the media to stop the stock from sliding and trying to put a hold on customers fleeing the company like Nokia is doing. Apple was hiding it from view so competitors would keep flailing and guys like Balmer would keep saying stupid stuff that proved they have no idea what they, Motorola, Palm, Nokia and Rimm are talking about.
Spanked and put to bed, see ya Jody. \
WTF are you on about, companies work in different ways, some present products they are working on, some don't. That was Nokia World, they showed products they are working on. What is the bet Apple shows something at MacWorld. Infact the way Apple leaves everything to the last minute annoys a lot of people, but I suppose they try to get the impluse buyer that way.
Remember (except for the iPod) Apple is only successful in their home market, what you are seeing in the US, doesn't reflect on the rest of the world.
You use the navigation keys, like you have to navigate on the iPhone
Wow, Jobs was reported to have been using an early version of one of his companies products, man, damn, well, how can anyone follow up from that. Wow, Apple is amazing, I bet a CEO has never tested a product before.
But that doesn't get around the fact that some parts of the iPhone feature set when Apple presented their hurried original showing, and some parts were just images.
WTF are you on about, companies work in different ways, some present products they are working on, some don't. That was Nokia World, they showed products they are working on. What is the bet Apple shows something at MacWorld. Infact the way Apple leaves everything to the last minute annoys a lot of people, but I suppose they try to get the impluse buyer that way.
Remember (except for the iPod) Apple is only successful in their home market, what you are seeing in the US, doesn't reflect on the rest of the work.
I would say this round goes to jfanning. Nice post. He will rev up the engines though and get the spin in full effect.
ok, so now we know YOU know nothing about the iPhone too. \
No, you just need to learn how to read.
You commented about the size of a Nokia screen and how to move around it, I said you need to use the navigation keys to move around the page, just like you need to move around a page on an iPhone, as it can't display the whole thing either.
You commented about the size of a Nokia screen and how to move around it, I said you need to use the navigation keys to move around the page, just like you need to move around a page on an iPhone, as it can't display the whole thing either.
You don't use navigation keys on the iPhone.
It doesn't have keys, that's the point.
You simply focus on the thing you're interested in and deal with it.
On the Nokia, I suppose there is an actual key to zoom in and out... right?
After all, I was talking about navigating around an oversized page.
So do you use hard keys to pan left and right with scroll bars, or do you actually have kardware keys to zoom in and out?
Give us a break....
Nokia's sales are declining for the first time in their history.
They're terrified and doing anything they can to stop people from fleeing.
I think you mean the rest of the world, just guessing.
Yes, I will fix it
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You may want to look again, you clearly don't know where Apple gets their revenue and earnings.
Yes, they post it here and go on and on about is constantly. iPod, and iPhone sales make up the majority of their sales. A bit risky if you ask me.
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I think you need to turn that around.
Nokia is successful everywhere EXCEPT North America.
No, they are not successful in Japan either.
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Originally Posted by wbrasington
And that is changing now that Apple has gone worldwide with the iPhone.
No it isn't. Apple sells a single model, that is very expensive (and don't start the crap about it being $199 in the US, that doesn't mean anything elsewhere). iPhone sales are very poor outside the US,
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Suck it up Nokia fanboys, Nokia is going the way of Motorola and Palm. Such has-beens....
As lots of people have said time and time again, start looking outside the US. I own a lot of Apple products, but their phone is not that much of a jump from what I have to make me want to change to it.
I said you had to move the screen, you still have to click and drag it, the screen is still small on the iPhone.
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Originally Posted by wbrasington
You simply focus on the thing you're interested in and deal with it.
On the Nokia, I suppose there is an actual key to zoom in and out... right?
After all, I was talking about navigating around an oversized page.
So do you use hard keys to pan left and right with scroll bars, or do you actually have kardware keys to zoom in and out?
I use the navigation keys on my phone to move around an oversized page. If you look at a Nokia phone they have a central button, with four buttons around them, the navigation keys, they provide the same functionality in all applications, they move around.
Just like you need to move around an oversized page on an iPhone, if doesn't magically move around based upon brain waves, you need to click the screen and drag it somewhere.
As for zooming, I don't know, i just navigate around the page, I don't zoom in and out.
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Originally Posted by wbrasington
Nokia's sales are declining for the first time in their history.
They're terrified and doing anything they can to stop people from fleeing.
It is not the first decline in their sales, it has happened before, and will happen again.
As lots of people have said time and time again, start looking outside the US. I own a lot of Apple products, but their phone is not that much of a jump from what I have to make me want to change to it.
Like I said, Rimm and Apple smartphone sales are up.
For the first time in their history, Nokia had a DECLINE in theirs.
Period.
Doesn't matter where you look in the world, look at the company.
Nokia can't crack the North American market because the product launches for better products started there. And stopped Nokia dead.
Now, as the products from North America move around the world, it's going to squeze Nokia, Palm, Symbian, Windows Mobile and the like out.
Nokia is Palm.
They can throw model after model of touch solutions out there, and pre-announce stuff all winter long to try to stop the defections from their line.
It won't help saying the iPhone isn't a winner and that Nokia will have an answer 6 or 7 months from now. If the iPhone wasn't a winner, Nokia wouldn't need an answer.
And DECLINING sales is the tell.
(not lower growth than expected, actual fewer unit sales..... ouch)
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Jody, you should just stop posting about the iPhone.
It's clear that you don't know what you're talking about, and even your resources don't say what you're saying.
The fact that Google has an app on the iPhone that 30-55 year old people don't know how ONE multi touch gesture works doesn't mean most users don't know multi-touch is there.
And another thing, some apps are more important than others.
I defy you to show me a study that says most iPhone users don't know about multi-touch gesture uses on the web browser! (remember, it's not fair to limit the study to old people that have trouble with hi-tech devices)
Let's have a look at that Nokia device and see how you navigate over-sized webpages and understand what you're doing.
And as for the iPhone being all JPegs when it was shown, I'd remind you that Jobs was reported to be in peoples offices actually using the phone. Apple didn't run around propping it up in front of the media to stop the stock from sliding and trying to put a hold on customers fleeing the company like Nokia is doing. Apple was hiding it from view so competitors would keep flailing and guys like Balmer would keep saying stupid stuff that proved they have no idea what they, Motorola, Palm, Nokia and Rimm are talking about.
Spanked and put to bed, see ya Jody.
So should we all go throw our Nokia's and BB's, SE's, etc... away because you have such an enlightened view. You act as though everyone will simply concede the market to Apple. Hey other guys, might as well pack it in. The oracle has spoken. When Nokia sells about 30 million of these N97's and Apple is still trying to break 20 mil, then come back and show me how Nokia and the rest don't get it. By your "logic" it assumes that everyone wants an iPhone and no one was waiting for Nokia to produce this model. Why is it that Apple and AT&T have to use damn near strong arm tactics to make sales. Let's see Apple really compete but allowing an alternative browser, or AT&T allow tethering. Nokia will compete and do well with an Open Source OS, and unlock, unlimited applications that Apple may or may not accept or allow others to violate their own policies. With each passing day on this forum I truly understand why many people hate Apple. It is not the products so much as it is the fanboys behind the products.
You've heard the saying " A man is known by the company he keeps. "
It is reasonably safe to say that pornographers, virus writers, identity phishers, software pirates and spammers are pretty much cut from the same cloth which is why their activities are often interlinked.
And it's safe to just assume that is it! Trial by assumption! This thread is hilarious, I cant quite believe what I am reading. Naivety beyond belief, have you all been living in a box?
Just because I had involvement in the sex industry 11 years ago, does not make me an unscrupulous character then or now, I mean I may have murdered a few people but thats as far as it ever went, all in good spirits though.
And it's safe to just assume that is it! Trial by assumption! This thread is hilarious, I cant quite believe what I am reading. Naivety beyond belief, have you all been living in a box?
Just because I had involvement in the sex industry 11 years ago, does not make me an unscrupulous character then or now, I mean I may have murdered a few people but thats as far as it ever went, all in good spirits though.
Dude. DOn't sweat it. People are people. No need to convince them one way or another. You are wasting your time in this forum with that. This is the cheerleading forum. You made a good point no matter how unpleasing it is to some but that is your right to make a point. I would drop it as this is the myopic side of the forum.
Three things. First, it was a proto, not the final software. If I remember correctly when the iPhone was first shown half the software was nothing but a JPEG!
Two, try using your capacitive touchscreen with gloves on... Oh, sorry you can't. And the iPhone has a minimum operating temperature of 0 degrees C. Total fail there then. Obviously designed only for use in California too.
And three, multitouch is only used in a couple of apps. And as research has shown, most users don't even know it is there.
is that why nokia is so big in your home country? because you can operate them in a freezer? i wonder if you can use a nokia keyboard with gloves on? 'research has shown'? the credentials for the author of that 'research' don't sound too promising: 'helping ... yahoo make compelling products...' huh? zooming in on a map or a photo is so intuitive on the iphone that i wonder if 'the people don't know it's there', use it without realising it...
i accept that the iphone is not for everyone, but it works for me and that is ultimately what matters in deciding where i put my money.
So what does this mean, that we will never see a phone except the iphone with multi-touch functionality? I'm not talking about the gestures here but there must be other ways to benefit from it?
That would be crazy. It'd be like if the use of buttons were patented. It must be a misunderstanding. Of course the world is free to use on screen touch navigation using multiple simultaneous touch inputs...
Resistive screen is just so last year.
The big problem is that the Nokia CEO himself said at the launch that the HIGHEST end Nokia's will not use Symbian but Linux maemo that runs on the N8x0 tablets. Who wants to buy a dead-end OS that can't run the highest end phones? Who wants to buy a phone that developers will be reluctant to code apps for, since it's a dead end?
Resistive screen is just so last year.
Apparently the decision was made to appease the Asian market. Inputting Asian text is a lot easier on a resistive screen since it's more accurate.
The big problem is that the Nokia CEO himself said at the launch that the HIGHEST end Nokia's will not use Symbian but Linux maemo that runs on the N8x0 tablets. Who wants to buy a dead-end OS that can't run the highest end phones? Who wants to buy a phone that developers will be reluctant to code apps for, since it's a dead end?
Oh no he didn't! One of the VPs (not the CEO) said that Linux will become a serious alternative to Symbian in high-end models. Source.
Nice attempt at FUD though.
Wrong. iPhone 1.0 did pretty much everything it does now except for App Store and stability fixes.
You may want to learn to read, he said when the iPhone was first shown, ie not released
is that why nokia is so big in your home country? because you can operate them in a freezer?
Yes, Nokia is large in his home country, but you shouldn't confuse location with home country.
Let's have a look at that Nokia device and see how you navigate over-sized webpages and understand what you're doing.
You use the navigation keys, like you have to navigate on the iPhone
And as for the iPhone being all JPegs when it was shown, I'd remind you that Jobs was reported to be in peoples offices actually using the phone.
Wow, Jobs was reported to have been using an early version of one of his companies products, man, damn, well, how can anyone follow up from that. Wow, Apple is amazing, I bet a CEO has never tested a product before.
But that doesn't get around the fact that some parts of the iPhone feature set when Apple presented their hurried original showing, and some parts were just images.
Apple didn't run around propping it up in front of the media to stop the stock from sliding and trying to put a hold on customers fleeing the company like Nokia is doing. Apple was hiding it from view so competitors would keep flailing and guys like Balmer would keep saying stupid stuff that proved they have no idea what they, Motorola, Palm, Nokia and Rimm are talking about.
Spanked and put to bed, see ya Jody.
WTF are you on about, companies work in different ways, some present products they are working on, some don't. That was Nokia World, they showed products they are working on. What is the bet Apple shows something at MacWorld. Infact the way Apple leaves everything to the last minute annoys a lot of people, but I suppose they try to get the impluse buyer that way.
Remember (except for the iPod) Apple is only successful in their home market, what you are seeing in the US, doesn't reflect on the rest of the world.
You use the navigation keys, like you have to navigate on the iPhone
Wow, Jobs was reported to have been using an early version of one of his companies products, man, damn, well, how can anyone follow up from that. Wow, Apple is amazing, I bet a CEO has never tested a product before.
But that doesn't get around the fact that some parts of the iPhone feature set when Apple presented their hurried original showing, and some parts were just images.
WTF are you on about, companies work in different ways, some present products they are working on, some don't. That was Nokia World, they showed products they are working on. What is the bet Apple shows something at MacWorld. Infact the way Apple leaves everything to the last minute annoys a lot of people, but I suppose they try to get the impluse buyer that way.
Remember (except for the iPod) Apple is only successful in their home market, what you are seeing in the US, doesn't reflect on the rest of the work.
I would say this round goes to jfanning. Nice post. He will rev up the engines though and get the spin in full effect.
You use the navigation keys, like you have to navigate on the iPhone
Navigation keys on the iPhone?
ok, so now we know YOU know nothing about the iPhone too.
Remember (except for the iPod) Apple is only successful in their home market, what you are seeing in the US, doesn't reflect on the rest of the work.
I think you mean the rest of the world, just guessing.
You may want to look again, you clearly don't know where Apple gets their revenue and earnings.
I think you need to turn that around.
Nokia is successful everywhere EXCEPT North America.
And that is changing now that Apple has gone worldwide with the iPhone.
Suck it up Nokia fanboys, Nokia is going the way of Motorola and Palm. Such has-beens....
Navigation keys on the iPhone?
ok, so now we know YOU know nothing about the iPhone too.
No, you just need to learn how to read.
You commented about the size of a Nokia screen and how to move around it, I said you need to use the navigation keys to move around the page, just like you need to move around a page on an iPhone, as it can't display the whole thing either.
No, you just need to learn how to read.
You commented about the size of a Nokia screen and how to move around it, I said you need to use the navigation keys to move around the page, just like you need to move around a page on an iPhone, as it can't display the whole thing either.
You don't use navigation keys on the iPhone.
It doesn't have keys, that's the point.
You simply focus on the thing you're interested in and deal with it.
On the Nokia, I suppose there is an actual key to zoom in and out... right?
After all, I was talking about navigating around an oversized page.
So do you use hard keys to pan left and right with scroll bars, or do you actually have kardware keys to zoom in and out?
Give us a break....
Nokia's sales are declining for the first time in their history.
They're terrified and doing anything they can to stop people from fleeing.
I think you mean the rest of the world, just guessing.
Yes, I will fix it
You may want to look again, you clearly don't know where Apple gets their revenue and earnings.
Yes, they post it here and go on and on about is constantly. iPod, and iPhone sales make up the majority of their sales. A bit risky if you ask me.
I think you need to turn that around.
Nokia is successful everywhere EXCEPT North America.
No, they are not successful in Japan either.
And that is changing now that Apple has gone worldwide with the iPhone.
No it isn't. Apple sells a single model, that is very expensive (and don't start the crap about it being $199 in the US, that doesn't mean anything elsewhere). iPhone sales are very poor outside the US,
Suck it up Nokia fanboys, Nokia is going the way of Motorola and Palm. Such has-beens....
As lots of people have said time and time again, start looking outside the US. I own a lot of Apple products, but their phone is not that much of a jump from what I have to make me want to change to it.
You don't use navigation keys on the iPhone.
It doesn't have keys, that's the point.
I said you had to move the screen, you still have to click and drag it, the screen is still small on the iPhone.
You simply focus on the thing you're interested in and deal with it.
On the Nokia, I suppose there is an actual key to zoom in and out... right?
After all, I was talking about navigating around an oversized page.
So do you use hard keys to pan left and right with scroll bars, or do you actually have kardware keys to zoom in and out?
I use the navigation keys on my phone to move around an oversized page. If you look at a Nokia phone they have a central button, with four buttons around them, the navigation keys, they provide the same functionality in all applications, they move around.
Just like you need to move around an oversized page on an iPhone, if doesn't magically move around based upon brain waves, you need to click the screen and drag it somewhere.
As for zooming, I don't know, i just navigate around the page, I don't zoom in and out.
Nokia's sales are declining for the first time in their history.
They're terrified and doing anything they can to stop people from fleeing.
It is not the first decline in their sales, it has happened before, and will happen again.
As lots of people have said time and time again, start looking outside the US. I own a lot of Apple products, but their phone is not that much of a jump from what I have to make me want to change to it.
Like I said, Rimm and Apple smartphone sales are up.
For the first time in their history, Nokia had a DECLINE in theirs.
Period.
Doesn't matter where you look in the world, look at the company.
Nokia can't crack the North American market because the product launches for better products started there. And stopped Nokia dead.
Now, as the products from North America move around the world, it's going to squeze Nokia, Palm, Symbian, Windows Mobile and the like out.
Nokia is Palm.
They can throw model after model of touch solutions out there, and pre-announce stuff all winter long to try to stop the defections from their line.
It won't help saying the iPhone isn't a winner and that Nokia will have an answer 6 or 7 months from now. If the iPhone wasn't a winner, Nokia wouldn't need an answer.
And DECLINING sales is the tell.
(not lower growth than expected, actual fewer unit sales..... ouch)