You should get your facts straight before you start shooting off at the mouth. Apple bought the rights to the GUI from Xerox. Unlike Windows buying the rights to the GUI from Apple, right after Xerox brought up the lawsuit. They settled out of court.
In 1979, Jef Raskin started the Macintosh project at Apple. He identified a need for a computer that was easier to use than anything developed to date. Both the Macintosh project and the Lisa project were works in progress prior to Apple?s infamous visit to Xerox. Apple and Xerox were in simultaneous development of a GUI. Apple was aware of Xerox?s work because the founder of the Macintosh project, Jef Raskin had lectured at Xerox on the topic prior to joining Apple. Jef Raskin was something of an authority on the subject at the time. He had written his Master?s thesis on a WYSIWYG graphical interface back in 1967. Likewise, many of the same ideas that fueled Xerox?s effort originated from the creator of the Macintosh project.
At the same time, it would be unfair to suggest Apple visited Xerox and didn?t come away with any ideas. Clearly they did. The fact that Apple?s Lisa GUI was different from Apple?s Macintosh GUI should make that clear enough. But, the devil is in the details. Apple wasn?t developing in a Smalltalk environment, Apple had resource limitations that Xerox didn?t. That is, Apple had to make a GUI work on an affordable piece of hardware. Xerox was working purely in a research environment without the same hardware limitations.
The Point is DVI is not a standard by anyone but Apple
DVI was created by the Digital Display Working Group (DDWG) which was composed of Intel Corporation, Silicon Image, Inc., Compaq Computer Corp., Fujitsu Limited, Hewlett-Packard Company, International Business Machines Corp., and NEC Corporation.
Note that Apple was never even part of that standards group.
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and I don't need Apple TV or an adaptor (another Apple TAX) to download Netflix via the Internet to watch Movies.
First you say Apple stole the idea, then it's pointed out that Apple bought the rights, then you post a snippet of story that both were working on it simultaneously. How does that strengthen your argument? Because the author used the word "devil" somehow makes Apple evil incarnate?
If only their was some economic crisis that could be affecting companies despite their earnings. Oh yeah, that thing I just said.
You'll almost always find an non-Mac PC with more HW "features" and at lower cost than a Mac PC. I don't beleive you about your keyboard with built in HDMI. That makes no sense so I assume that was just worded incorrectly, and that it's the Dell that has HDMI, but either way, Macs have DVI, so I am not sure what point you are getting at with that. You aren't going to find any halfway decent PCs these days that don't have DVI or HDMI, and soon DP. HDMi is more likely found on those marketed as Home Theater PCs.
If you are new to the stock market a company can make money even if they don't meet earnings. Ask Steve, he made a ton on his illegal options scandal.
If you are not new to the market then you should buy a lot of Apple Stock and I wish you a happy 2009. You may have a Dell in 2010.
As far as HDMI is concerned. All home computers are moving towards the home theater market except Apple which hangs on to the legacy AppleTV which every reputable review has deemed it worthless and makes more money off of making adapters to push their new products. By the way my laptop was purchased by my company and was purchased from Dells Business Laptop Center because our new computers in the board room have HDMI meaning no IT required to have a meeting.
DVI was created by the Digital Display Working Group (DDWG) which was composed of Intel Corporation, Silicon Image, Inc., Compaq Computer Corp., Fujitsu Limited, Hewlett-Packard Company, International Business Machines Corp., and NEC Corporation.
Note that Apple was never even part of that standards group.
And you don't need it with a Mac either.
Not one comuter in my office has DVI and I work in an office with 700+ computers.
Marketing may have them but they are on their own network because they can't hook up to our corporate Network without DAVE and our corporate won't appove it.
First you say Apple stole the idea, then it's pointed out that Apple bought the rights, then you post a snippet of story that both were working on it simultaneously. How does that strengthen your argument? Because the author used the word "devil" somehow makes Apple evil incarnate?
Your words not mine. But if they were mine they would be Steve not Apple probably why he had an interest in NEXT. Another Apple failure.
Intel's X58 chipset is supposed to support SLI and Crossfire. So how about getting these technologies in the Mac Pro, which is supposed to be an advanced, high end graphics machine?
As I said in my last posting. Apple is making a TON of money and their stock has dropped in half this year alone (which is supposed to be their year).
I could care less how much money Apple makes. I care about my stock and Apple needs a restructuring from the ground up to make the stock go back up.
5%-10% of the end users care about OSX and 95-100% care about the profit of Apple Stock if they own it. If the amount of Apple users are correct.
I made a bad investment and have lost the chance to write it off in 2008. My mistake, now I either wait it out or sell as 57% of the market has chosen to do.
I'm not an Apple Fan anymore. I own an iPhone and a Dell computer that has more features than the top of the line new MPB and a total cost with shipping and a Bluetooth mouse and keyboard with built in HDMI for $1,300.
Apparently only Apple hasn?t realized that we are in a World Wide Recession and that price point with cutting edge features is going to make the analyst?s move the stock up or down.
Let?s hope Apple has CUT the Apple Tax and is giving both performance with a price that matches its competitors.
OSX is great, but Apple seems to get more wrong these days than right. Let?s hope Steve will get out of the day to day and turn it over to the new generation that understands this.
Keep in mind this is coming from a 48 year old person.
The competitors still have to match what Apple offer, not the other way around.
Wow, 28"! That's getting pretty hefty there. It must have a wider stand than even the 24" iMac.
With quad cores it must employ some new cooling architecture as rumored.
Not if it they use the quad model with a 65W TDP, like the existing high end model.
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For once I have to disagree with you. Apple making TVs or TVs with AppleTV's integrated is not advantageous for them. Their are so many sizes and types that people use for Apple to be able to focus on the most profitable with a limited selection. And I don't 28" is anywhere near the most common size for consumers today, much less the next 6 months from now.
Even 42" really isn't high end anymore, it's mid-range.
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Apparently only Apple hasn’t realized that we are in a World Wide Recession and that price point with cutting edge features is going to make the analyst’s move the stock up or down.
Let’s hope Apple has CUT the Apple Tax and is giving both performance with a price that matches its competitors.
OSX is great, but Apple seems to get more wrong these days than right. Let’s hope Steve will get out of the day to day and turn it over to the new generation that understands this.
Keep in mind this is coming from a 48 year old person.
Apple is still making a fantastic profit. As long as the sales are still ever-increasing, then there's no reason to drop the "Apple tax". Remember, this recession is already just over a year old, and Apple has still managed to increase their profits year over year for each quarter in the last year.
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Quartly earnings mean nothing to the stock market (Apple has proved that the last 5 quarters). Apple has dropped 57% (last I checked) and I don't care if Apple make a ton of money. My money is in their stock.
They are making bad choices for the Market and that is what I care about.
I think it's the stock market's fault for not seeing the value in the company, or maybe having seen too much value a year ago.
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As I said in my last posting. Apple is making a TON of money and their stock has dropped in half this year alone (which is supposed to be their year).
I could care less how much money Apple makes. I care about my stock and Apple needs a restructuring from the ground up to make the stock go back up.
5%-10% of the end users care about OSX and 95-100% care about the profit of Apple Stock if they own it. If the amount of Apple users are correct.
I made a bad investment and have lost the chance to write it off in 2008. My mistake, now I either wait it out or sell as 57% of the market has chosen to do.
The problem here is that Apple's business is actually sound. It's the stock market that's been wonky. If Apple was losing money, then I would agree that they need a reorganization. The problem is that they made money hand over fist in 2008 despite the entire year being classified as a recession. I don't recall an instance where stock holders demanded reorganizations of highly profitable companies.
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I'm not an Apple Fan anymore. I own an iPhone and a Dell computer that has more features than the top of the line new MPB and a total cost with shipping and a Bluetooth mouse and keyboard with built in HDMI for $1,300.
Did you change your notebook platform because of the stock performance?
BTW: On the stock market, Dell is down about 60% from 52 week high. Why did you buy hardware from a company that, by your standards, obviously needs a reorganization? HP & Microsoft are down too. In fact, I can't find a single big name technology company that is *anywhere* near the 52 week high. Heck, the entire stock market is down from a 52 week high too. I don't see why Apple should be the sole target of your complaints, unless you made the mistake of buying into only one company.
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If you are new to the stock market a company can make money even if they don't meet earnings. Ask Steve, he made a ton on his illegal options scandal.
You mean the one where the SEC has cleared him?
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By the way my laptop was purchased by my company and was purchased from Dells Business Laptop Center because our new computers in the board room have HDMI meaning no IT required to have a meeting.
If people at your company need an IT department to connect a DVI to HDMI adapter, then your company has too many brainless buffoons. It is a $4 adapter.
DVI is a major standard, if you go to PC enthusiast web sites, it's hard to find a graphics card that doesn't have DVI. VGA connectors shouldn't be necessary because it only needs a $4 adapter to get VGA out of a DVI port. DVI and HDMI connectors are largely interchangeable when it comes to computer video.
Not one comuter in my office has DVI and I work in an office with 700+ computers.
Marketing may have them but they are on their own network because they can't hook up to our corporate Network without DAVE and our corporate won't appove it.
And my Dell 20" monitor has DVI input.
By the way, I'm slightly older than you and know enough to understand that many things influence stock prices. Most undoubtedly earnings (and expectations of future earnings) are part of that but not to be overlooked is general market sentiment which obviously is rather poor right now.
Not one comuter in my office has DVI and I work in an office with 700+ computers.
Marketing may have them but they are on their own network because they can't hook up to our corporate Network without DAVE and our corporate won't appove it.
Are you confusing DVI with DisplayPort?
I ask this, because DVI is a standard that is used in pretty much all computers at the moment - my work Dell has DVI out from the docking station. If your company has been using plain-old-VGA as a display interconnect, then I pity your employees.
HDMI is quite rare on PCs, and dying quite quickly now that DisplayPort has arrived. The very small minority of PCs that are media PCs will still include them, but they have a problem of being fugly, loud and running that terrible operating system called Windows.
I'm really sorry for you that you bought Apple stock at a (pumped) high just before a recession, but that isn't Apple's fault. Apple keep on selling more and more computers and iPods and phones, and making vast profits. It's just that the recession is seen by many fickle stockholders as being a potential short-to-mid-term risk.
Your words not mine. But if they were mine they would be Steve not Apple probably why he had an interest in NEXT. Another Apple failure.
You are either trolling hardcore or one of the most...blissful people in the world.
Frankly you sound about 13 years old with your incoherent ramblings. If you really are 48 maybe you should reflect on the garbage you post and make a better effort to sound like an adult instead of a child.
Intel's X58 chipset is supposed to support SLI and Crossfire. So how about getting these technologies in the Mac Pro, which is supposed to be an advanced, high end graphics machine?
SLI and Crossfire aren't that great. Either a good graphics card, higher end graphics card, or a Nvidia Quadro... One card is enough to do some serious graphix.
Honestly, I like gaming and PC and think SLI and Crossfire have their use, but overall it's more a consumer/enthusiast/marketing thing. For gaming I'd use it because I like to run my games (when I had my PC) at high (4x or more) anti-aliasing and SLI helps with that...
If you have the bucks you'd throw in a Quadro there, rather than SLI Nvidia 9800s or something. IMHO.
Of course, if you could SLI two Quadros in a Mac Pro.......
[QUOTE=beg;1357591]You are either trolling hardcore or one of the most...blissful people in the world.
Frankly you sound about 13 years old with your incoherent ramblings. If you really are 48 maybe you should reflect on the garbage you post and make a better effort to sound like an adult instead of a child.[quote]
He's either a fraud or he's been drinking entirely too much of the Windows Kool Aid lately. Not even Windows users defend Dell, that company is headed right for the grave and anyone with enough time to read a few economics magazines would be well versed on the reasons why. Windows computers offer you nothing more than the opportunity to spend more on anti-virus and upkeep from poor quality control than you spend on the actual computer itself.
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You should get your facts straight before you start shooting off at the mouth. Apple bought the rights to the GUI from Xerox. Unlike Windows buying the rights to the GUI from Apple, right after Xerox brought up the lawsuit. They settled out of court.
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http://technicalconclusions.wordpres...istory-of-gui/
Apple?s contribution
In 1979, Jef Raskin started the Macintosh project at Apple. He identified a need for a computer that was easier to use than anything developed to date. Both the Macintosh project and the Lisa project were works in progress prior to Apple?s infamous visit to Xerox. Apple and Xerox were in simultaneous development of a GUI. Apple was aware of Xerox?s work because the founder of the Macintosh project, Jef Raskin had lectured at Xerox on the topic prior to joining Apple. Jef Raskin was something of an authority on the subject at the time. He had written his Master?s thesis on a WYSIWYG graphical interface back in 1967. Likewise, many of the same ideas that fueled Xerox?s effort originated from the creator of the Macintosh project.
At the same time, it would be unfair to suggest Apple visited Xerox and didn?t come away with any ideas. Clearly they did. The fact that Apple?s Lisa GUI was different from Apple?s Macintosh GUI should make that clear enough. But, the devil is in the details. Apple wasn?t developing in a Smalltalk environment, Apple had resource limitations that Xerox didn?t. That is, Apple had to make a GUI work on an affordable piece of hardware. Xerox was working purely in a research environment without the same hardware limitations.
The Point is DVI is not a standard by anyone but Apple
DVI was created by the Digital Display Working Group (DDWG) which was composed of Intel Corporation, Silicon Image, Inc., Compaq Computer Corp., Fujitsu Limited, Hewlett-Packard Company, International Business Machines Corp., and NEC Corporation.
Note that Apple was never even part of that standards group.
and I don't need Apple TV or an adaptor (another Apple TAX) to download Netflix via the Internet to watch Movies.
And you don't need it with a Mac either.
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http://technicalconclusions.wordpres...istory-of-gui/
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First you say Apple stole the idea, then it's pointed out that Apple bought the rights, then you post a snippet of story that both were working on it simultaneously. How does that strengthen your argument? Because the author used the word "devil" somehow makes Apple evil incarnate?
If only their was some economic crisis that could be affecting companies despite their earnings. Oh yeah, that thing I just said.
You'll almost always find an non-Mac PC with more HW "features" and at lower cost than a Mac PC. I don't beleive you about your keyboard with built in HDMI. That makes no sense so I assume that was just worded incorrectly, and that it's the Dell that has HDMI, but either way, Macs have DVI, so I am not sure what point you are getting at with that. You aren't going to find any halfway decent PCs these days that don't have DVI or HDMI, and soon DP. HDMi is more likely found on those marketed as Home Theater PCs.
If you are new to the stock market a company can make money even if they don't meet earnings. Ask Steve, he made a ton on his illegal options scandal.
If you are not new to the market then you should buy a lot of Apple Stock and I wish you a happy 2009. You may have a Dell in 2010.
As far as HDMI is concerned. All home computers are moving towards the home theater market except Apple which hangs on to the legacy AppleTV which every reputable review has deemed it worthless and makes more money off of making adapters to push their new products. By the way my laptop was purchased by my company and was purchased from Dells Business Laptop Center because our new computers in the board room have HDMI meaning no IT required to have a meeting.
DVI was created by the Digital Display Working Group (DDWG) which was composed of Intel Corporation, Silicon Image, Inc., Compaq Computer Corp., Fujitsu Limited, Hewlett-Packard Company, International Business Machines Corp., and NEC Corporation.
Note that Apple was never even part of that standards group.
And you don't need it with a Mac either.
Not one comuter in my office has DVI and I work in an office with 700+ computers.
Marketing may have them but they are on their own network because they can't hook up to our corporate Network without DAVE and our corporate won't appove it.
First you say Apple stole the idea, then it's pointed out that Apple bought the rights, then you post a snippet of story that both were working on it simultaneously. How does that strengthen your argument? Because the author used the word "devil" somehow makes Apple evil incarnate?
Your words not mine. But if they were mine they would be Steve not Apple probably why he had an interest in NEXT. Another Apple failure.
If you are new to the stock market a company can make money even if they don't meet earnings. Ask Steve, he made a ton on his illegal options scandal.
Confirm or shut up.
Name one part of my Dell Computer or XP that Steve Jobs can take credit for?
The trackpad.
How about USB. It was Apple that made it universal.
Firewire.
Word. Excel. Acrobat. iTunes. Photoshop. Illustrator. QuarkXPress. TrueType. QuickTime. Made for, by or without Apple they wouldn't exist.
As I said in my last posting. Apple is making a TON of money and their stock has dropped in half this year alone (which is supposed to be their year).
I could care less how much money Apple makes. I care about my stock and Apple needs a restructuring from the ground up to make the stock go back up.
5%-10% of the end users care about OSX and 95-100% care about the profit of Apple Stock if they own it. If the amount of Apple users are correct.
I made a bad investment and have lost the chance to write it off in 2008. My mistake, now I either wait it out or sell as 57% of the market has chosen to do.
I'm not an Apple Fan anymore. I own an iPhone and a Dell computer that has more features than the top of the line new MPB and a total cost with shipping and a Bluetooth mouse and keyboard with built in HDMI for $1,300.
so how's your dell stock doing these days?
Apparently only Apple hasn?t realized that we are in a World Wide Recession and that price point with cutting edge features is going to make the analyst?s move the stock up or down.
Let?s hope Apple has CUT the Apple Tax and is giving both performance with a price that matches its competitors.
OSX is great, but Apple seems to get more wrong these days than right. Let?s hope Steve will get out of the day to day and turn it over to the new generation that understands this.
Keep in mind this is coming from a 48 year old person.
The competitors still have to match what Apple offer, not the other way around.
Wow, 28"! That's getting pretty hefty there. It must have a wider stand than even the 24" iMac.
With quad cores it must employ some new cooling architecture as rumored.
Not if it they use the quad model with a 65W TDP, like the existing high end model.
For once I have to disagree with you. Apple making TVs or TVs with AppleTV's integrated is not advantageous for them. Their are so many sizes and types that people use for Apple to be able to focus on the most profitable with a limited selection. And I don't 28" is anywhere near the most common size for consumers today, much less the next 6 months from now.
Even 42" really isn't high end anymore, it's mid-range.
Apparently only Apple hasn’t realized that we are in a World Wide Recession and that price point with cutting edge features is going to make the analyst’s move the stock up or down.
Let’s hope Apple has CUT the Apple Tax and is giving both performance with a price that matches its competitors.
OSX is great, but Apple seems to get more wrong these days than right. Let’s hope Steve will get out of the day to day and turn it over to the new generation that understands this.
Keep in mind this is coming from a 48 year old person.
Apple is still making a fantastic profit. As long as the sales are still ever-increasing, then there's no reason to drop the "Apple tax". Remember, this recession is already just over a year old, and Apple has still managed to increase their profits year over year for each quarter in the last year.
Quartly earnings mean nothing to the stock market (Apple has proved that the last 5 quarters). Apple has dropped 57% (last I checked) and I don't care if Apple make a ton of money. My money is in their stock.
They are making bad choices for the Market and that is what I care about.
I think it's the stock market's fault for not seeing the value in the company, or maybe having seen too much value a year ago.
As I said in my last posting. Apple is making a TON of money and their stock has dropped in half this year alone (which is supposed to be their year).
I could care less how much money Apple makes. I care about my stock and Apple needs a restructuring from the ground up to make the stock go back up.
5%-10% of the end users care about OSX and 95-100% care about the profit of Apple Stock if they own it. If the amount of Apple users are correct.
I made a bad investment and have lost the chance to write it off in 2008. My mistake, now I either wait it out or sell as 57% of the market has chosen to do.
The problem here is that Apple's business is actually sound. It's the stock market that's been wonky. If Apple was losing money, then I would agree that they need a reorganization. The problem is that they made money hand over fist in 2008 despite the entire year being classified as a recession. I don't recall an instance where stock holders demanded reorganizations of highly profitable companies.
I'm not an Apple Fan anymore. I own an iPhone and a Dell computer that has more features than the top of the line new MPB and a total cost with shipping and a Bluetooth mouse and keyboard with built in HDMI for $1,300.
Did you change your notebook platform because of the stock performance?
BTW: On the stock market, Dell is down about 60% from 52 week high. Why did you buy hardware from a company that, by your standards, obviously needs a reorganization? HP & Microsoft are down too. In fact, I can't find a single big name technology company that is *anywhere* near the 52 week high. Heck, the entire stock market is down from a 52 week high too. I don't see why Apple should be the sole target of your complaints, unless you made the mistake of buying into only one company.
If you are new to the stock market a company can make money even if they don't meet earnings. Ask Steve, he made a ton on his illegal options scandal.
You mean the one where the SEC has cleared him?
By the way my laptop was purchased by my company and was purchased from Dells Business Laptop Center because our new computers in the board room have HDMI meaning no IT required to have a meeting.
If people at your company need an IT department to connect a DVI to HDMI adapter, then your company has too many brainless buffoons. It is a $4 adapter.
http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2
DVI is a major standard, if you go to PC enthusiast web sites, it's hard to find a graphics card that doesn't have DVI. VGA connectors shouldn't be necessary because it only needs a $4 adapter to get VGA out of a DVI port. DVI and HDMI connectors are largely interchangeable when it comes to computer video.
Not one comuter in my office has DVI and I work in an office with 700+ computers.
Marketing may have them but they are on their own network because they can't hook up to our corporate Network without DAVE and our corporate won't appove it.
And my Dell 20" monitor has DVI input.
By the way, I'm slightly older than you and know enough to understand that many things influence stock prices. Most undoubtedly earnings (and expectations of future earnings) are part of that but not to be overlooked is general market sentiment which obviously is rather poor right now.
Name one part of my Dell Computer or XP that Steve Jobs can take credit for?
Did you forget Steve Jobs stold the GUI from Xerox? That is your hero.
I think you've done well trolling these boards for 4 months, but maybe it's time to grow up and move on, eh?
Not one comuter in my office has DVI and I work in an office with 700+ computers.
Marketing may have them but they are on their own network because they can't hook up to our corporate Network without DAVE and our corporate won't appove it.
Are you confusing DVI with DisplayPort?
I ask this, because DVI is a standard that is used in pretty much all computers at the moment - my work Dell has DVI out from the docking station. If your company has been using plain-old-VGA as a display interconnect, then I pity your employees.
HDMI is quite rare on PCs, and dying quite quickly now that DisplayPort has arrived. The very small minority of PCs that are media PCs will still include them, but they have a problem of being fugly, loud and running that terrible operating system called Windows.
I'm really sorry for you that you bought Apple stock at a (pumped) high just before a recession, but that isn't Apple's fault. Apple keep on selling more and more computers and iPods and phones, and making vast profits. It's just that the recession is seen by many fickle stockholders as being a potential short-to-mid-term risk.
Your words not mine. But if they were mine they would be Steve not Apple probably why he had an interest in NEXT. Another Apple failure.
You are either trolling hardcore or one of the most...blissful people in the world.
Frankly you sound about 13 years old with your incoherent ramblings. If you really are 48 maybe you should reflect on the garbage you post and make a better effort to sound like an adult instead of a child.
Intel's X58 chipset is supposed to support SLI and Crossfire. So how about getting these technologies in the Mac Pro, which is supposed to be an advanced, high end graphics machine?
SLI and Crossfire aren't that great.
Honestly, I like gaming and PC and think SLI and Crossfire have their use, but overall it's more a consumer/enthusiast/marketing thing. For gaming I'd use it because I like to run my games (when I had my PC) at high (4x or more) anti-aliasing and SLI helps with that...
If you have the bucks you'd throw in a Quadro there, rather than SLI Nvidia 9800s or something. IMHO.
Of course, if you could SLI two Quadros in a Mac Pro.......
Word. Excel. Acrobat. iTunes. Photoshop. Illustrator. QuarkXPress. TrueType. QuickTime. Made for, by or without Apple they wouldn't exist.
You're WACK- Excel if anything derives from Lotus 1,2,3 which had nothing to do with a Mac or Apple.
Frankly you sound about 13 years old with your incoherent ramblings. If you really are 48 maybe you should reflect on the garbage you post and make a better effort to sound like an adult instead of a child.[quote]
He's either a fraud or he's been drinking entirely too much of the Windows Kool Aid lately. Not even Windows users defend Dell, that company is headed right for the grave and anyone with enough time to read a few economics magazines would be well versed on the reasons why. Windows computers offer you nothing more than the opportunity to spend more on anti-virus and upkeep from poor quality control than you spend on the actual computer itself.