Apple's Snow Leopard to load printer drivers on demand

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  • Reply 41 of 88
    boogabooga Posts: 1,082member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post


    PPD files are small.



    Binary proprietary files are bloated and large. That's HP and it's custom applications which are massive and unneeded, unless you have a device [scanner/print/fax] that requires certain applications to inter-operate with the device.



    Otherwise, a straight PPD for a printer is puny.



    Here is a list of Brother PPD files:



    mdriftmeyer@horus:/usr/share/ppd/foomatic-rip/openprinting-gs-builtin/Brother$ ls -rhlt

    total 184K

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.2K 2008-12-01 06:40 Brother-HL-5170DN-hl1250.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.2K 2008-12-01 06:40 Brother-HL-1470N-hl1250.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.1K 2008-12-01 06:40 Brother-HL-1240-hl1250.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.1K 2008-12-01 06:40 Brother-DCP-8045D-hl1250.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.1K 2008-12-01 06:40 Brother-MFC-9600-hl1250.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.2K 2008-12-01 06:40 Brother-HL-720-hl7x0.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.4K 2008-12-01 06:40 Brother-HL-7050-lj5gray.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.9K 2008-12-01 06:40 Brother-HL-5250DN-Postscript.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.2K 2008-12-01 06:40 Brother-HL-5150D-pxlmono.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.8K 2008-12-01 06:40 Brother-HL-5140-lj5gray.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.3K 2008-12-01 06:40 Brother-HL-5070N-Postscript.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.4K 2008-12-01 06:40 Brother-HL-5070N-ljet4.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.2K 2008-12-01 06:40 Brother-HL-5070N-hl1250.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.5K 2008-12-01 06:40 Brother-HL-5050-pxlmono.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.3K 2008-12-01 06:40 Brother-HL-5050-Postscript.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.2K 2008-12-01 06:40 Brother-HL-5050-lj5gray.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.4K 2008-12-01 06:40 Brother-HL-5040-ljet4.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.2K 2008-12-01 06:40 Brother-HL-5040-lj5gray.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.5K 2008-12-01 06:40 Brother-HL-5030-pxlmono.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.9K 2008-12-01 06:40 Brother-HL-4Ve-laserjet.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.0K 2008-12-01 06:40 Brother-HL-4050CDN-Postscript.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.8K 2008-12-01 06:40 Brother-HL-2460-lj5gray.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.3K 2008-12-01 06:40 Brother-HL-2400CeN-pxlmono.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.8K 2008-12-01 06:40 Brother-HL-2400CeN-lj5gray.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.1K 2008-12-01 06:40 Brother-HL-2060-lj5gray.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.3K 2008-12-01 06:40 Brother-HL-2060-hl1250.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.4K 2008-12-01 06:40 Brother-HL-1870N-ljet4d.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.5K 2008-12-01 06:40 Brother-HL-1870N-lj5gray.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.5K 2008-12-01 06:40 Brother-HL-1870N-hl1250.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.4K 2008-12-01 06:40 Brother-HL-1850-ljet4d.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.6K 2008-12-01 06:40 Brother-HL-1670N-ljet4.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.7K 2008-12-01 06:40 Brother-HL-1650-pxlmono.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.3K 2008-12-01 06:40 Brother-HL-1650-ljet4d.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.4K 2008-12-01 06:40 Brother-HL-1650-lj5gray.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.4K 2008-12-01 06:40 Brother-HL-1470N-pxlmono.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.2K 2008-12-01 06:40 Brother-HL-1470N-lj4dith.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.4K 2008-12-01 06:40 Brother-HL-1450-pxlmono.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.2K 2008-12-01 06:40 Brother-HL-1430-lj4dith.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.4K 2008-12-01 06:40 Brother-HL-1270N-pxlmono.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.0K 2008-12-01 06:40 Brother-HL-1260-Postscript.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.9K 2008-12-01 06:40 Brother-HL-1260-lj4dith.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.3K 2008-12-01 06:40 Brother-HL-1250-lj4dith.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.9K 2008-12-01 06:40 Brother-HL-1050-lj4dith.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.2K 2008-12-01 06:40 Brother-DCP-8045D-hl7x0.ppd.gz



    Here for HP:



    mdriftmeyer@horus:/usr/share/ppd/foomatic-rip/openprinting-gs-builtin/HP$ ls -rhlt

    total 592K

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6.0K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-OfficeJet_R80-cdj1600.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6.1K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-DeskJet_940C-cdj970.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.9K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-Color_LaserJet_5000-lj4dith.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5.7K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-PhotoSmart_P1315-pcl3.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5.7K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-PhotoSmart_P1100-pcl3.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.0K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-PhotoSmart_P100-pjxl300.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.5K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-PaintJet-pj.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.7K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-OfficeJet_R45-deskjet.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5.6K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-OfficeJet_Pro_1175C-pcl3.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6.1K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-OfficeJet_G95-cdj970.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.1K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-OfficeJet_500-cdj550.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5.4K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-OfficeJet_300-pcl3.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.7K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-OfficeJet_300-djet500.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.9K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-LaserJet_Plus-ljetplus.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.7K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-LaserJet_9000-pxlmono.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.4K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-LaserJet_6-ljet4.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.5K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-LaserJet_4Si-lj4dith.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.2K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-LaserJet_4ML-lj4dith.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.4K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-LaserJet_4M-lj4dith.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.7K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-LaserJet_4100-ljet4.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.6K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-LaserJet_4000-pxlmono.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.1K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-LaserJet_3P_w_PCL5-ljet4.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.9K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-LaserJet_3310_MFP-lj5gray.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.1K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-LaserJet_3300_MFP-pxlmono.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.4K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-LaserJet_3200-ljet4.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.9K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-LaserJet_2-laserjet.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.2K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-LaserJet_1220-lj5gray.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.3K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-LaserJet_1220-lj4dith.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.5K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-LaserJet_1100A-lj4dith.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5.7K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-DeskJet_990C-pcl3.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6.1K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-DeskJet_980C-cdj970.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5.9K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-DeskJet_955C-cdj880.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.0K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-DeskJet_932C-cdj550.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5.9K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-DeskJet_882C-cdj850.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5.6K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-DeskJet_850C-pcl3.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6.0K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-DeskJet_815C-cdj880.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5.9K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-DeskJet_810C-cdj670.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6.1K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-DeskJet_722C-pnm2ppa.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6.1K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-DeskJet_712C-pnm2ppa.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.4K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-DeskJet_694C-cdj550.upp.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6.0K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-DeskJet_690C-cdj670.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5.5K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-DeskJet_680C-pcl3.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5.6K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-DeskJet_610C-pcl3.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5.7K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-DeskJet_400-pcl3.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5.6K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-DeskJet_350C-pcl3.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5.7K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-DeskJet_310-pcl3.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.1K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-DeskJet_1600CM-Postscript.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.5K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-DesignJet_750C_Plus-dnj650c.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.6K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-DesignJet_5500-chp2200.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.7K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-Color_LaserJet_5-cljet5.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.2K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-Color_LaserJet_5500-pxlmono.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.2K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-Color_LaserJet_2500-pxlmono.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.1K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-2500CM-Postscript.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5.6K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-PhotoSmart_P1215-pcl3.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6.1K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-PhotoSmart_P1100-cdj970.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.1K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-OfficeJet_T45-cdj550.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5.4K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-OfficeJet_LX-pcl3.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5.8K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-OfficeJet_635-pcl3.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.7K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-OfficeJet_330-djet500.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.8K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-LaserJet_8150-pxlmono.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.5K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-LaserJet_5Si-lj5gray.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.4K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-LaserJet_4ML-ljet4.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.3K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-LaserJet_4M-ljet4d.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.8K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-LaserJet_4050-pxlmono.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.7K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-LaserJet_4050-lj4dith.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.9K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-LaserJet_3320N_MFP-lj5gray.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.2K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-LaserJet_3200m-lj5gray.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.3K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-LaserJet_3200-lj4dith.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.9K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-LaserJet_2D-ljet2p.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.1K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-LaserJet_2100M-lj5gray.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.2K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-LaserJet_1300-lj5gray.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.3K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-LaserJet_1300-lj4dith.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.5K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-LaserJet_1200-ljet4.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.5K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-LaserJet_1015-lj4dith.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6.1K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-DeskJet_950C-cdj970.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.1K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-DeskJet_930C-cdj550.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5.6K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-DeskJet_880C-pcl3.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.1K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-DeskJet_842C-cdj550.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5.9K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-DeskJet_832C-cdj880.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5.9K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-DeskJet_810C-cdj880.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5.6K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-DeskJet_697C-pcl3.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.1K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-DeskJet_600-cdj550.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5.6K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-DeskJet_1120C-pcl3.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5.7K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-DeskJet_1100C-pcl3.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6.2K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-DeskJet_1000C-pnm2ppa.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5.5K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-DesignJet_ColorPro_CAD-pcl3.ppd.gz

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.2K 2008-12-01 06:41 HP-Color_LaserJet_4500-pxlmono.ppd.gz





    Yeah! That's the ticket! Sorry, but the big change will come from proprietary device drivers that people routinely install when they buy a device and it includes custom Preferences, Utilities people rarely, if ever use.



    Custom nibs and moving all read-only print copies of documentation [pdf.gz/ps.gz] is standard on Linux, FreeBSD and other less known platforms.



    Previewer.app, Acrobat should all be capable of reading these compressed read-only documents without the need to extract them.



    Third parties will be late to cleaning it up in their applications.



    Ultimately, hard drives with a lot of documentation laying around isn't something I'm frustated with, but applications with unnecessaryily bundled nibs and much more inside those bundles I definitely will welcome.



    We never had this problem at NeXT because our QuadFat Applications weren't all in a single bundle.



    The bundle is a nice solution when they couldn't finally nail down a streamlined and guaranteed clean installer/uninstaller solution for applications on the system.



    Of course, much of the size of Apple Bundles in their applications will be reduced due to the applications not duplicating system frameworks/private frameworks and more.



    Then again, if 3rd party app developers don't leverage those reusable frameworks in Snow Leopard their app bundles will still be quite beefy.



    Of course, I think it was a mistake to make packages directories. The Java method of using the "zip" file format makes a lot more sense, and you could easily have applied compression. You could also easily transfer them on the network. Of course wasted unused languages and nibs are nice to eliminate, but more could be done...
  • Reply 42 of 88
    amoryaamorya Posts: 1,103member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Bregalad View Post


    I sympathize with all those who would like a more localized Mac experience and understand the market in the UK is larger than Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Finland put together. However, whether they like it or not, the people of the UK can understand how to use a computer running US English.



    To be honest, the only time it bothers me is when spell-checkers get shirty with me (hello iPhone!). While I confess to hacking my dock to make the label say Wastebasket, that's more for nostalgic reasons than because of the language. Most Americanisms in menus and stuff are a non-issue compared to the things Apple could spend their time fixing.



    Amorya
  • Reply 43 of 88
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    That's not the problem. Sometimes I have to print to a file (or softproof) using a printer driver or profile for a comp. Without having the actual printer, how would I easily obtain that profile and driver?



    I would have to search for that and bother installing them.



    It's not too difficult, but it would be an annoyance that isn't there now.



    I suspect you'll still be able to install drivers manually if you wish.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MunkVsTheWorld View Post


    It might be worth noting that "US English" is a bastardisation of "English". This isn't an insult, I actually like the phonetic theories employed in "US English", it makes sense, though it isnt really "English".



    I have to agree that it is frustrating to be unable to spell "realise" with the "s" instead of a "z" without getting that annoying red squiggle under it. There are many words like this, and for some that are more difficult it would be good to be able to spell check the "English" version.



    All english speaking countries outside the US (yes, there are many) speak "English", so it should be catered for.



    Actually, the research I've read says that U.S. English is closer to English as it existed in the 18th century than British English is. Yours has drifted more than ours.
  • Reply 44 of 88
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,951member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jragosta View Post


    Actually, the research I've read says that U.S. English is closer to English as it existed in the 18th century than British English is. Yours has drifted more than ours.



    I think maybe you're recalling an article about certain villages in the Appalachian mountains that don't have much contact with the outside world, but I can't find that article to be sure. I did find an interesting article on PBS's site: http://www.pbs.org/speak/ahead/change/ruining/



    The language has changed so much in the past millennium, and has so many influences from other languages that the idea of a pure English or real English is as spurious as the idea of eugenics. English itself is a bastardization or mixed breed of several languages, that's how it was formed, the idea of a pure mixed breed can only be pushed so far before it just falls apart.
  • Reply 45 of 88
    dluxdlux Posts: 666member
    Whatever disk space we might reclaim as a result of Apple's diligence will be used right up again when the next Adobe installer dumps its truckload of elephant shit. Oh well.
  • Reply 46 of 88
    dluxdlux Posts: 666member
    The installer DVD should have as much available as possible if that's the only option available for the user (ie. no net connection and/or traveling). But even the CD that comes with the printer itself is often useless if it doesn't contain the latest drivers. Just about every time I've bought a new printer I check the version on the CD against the manufacturer's support site (assuming it's at all navigable) and find that I have to download later versions anyway. So I'd rather see a consolidated and consistent method for getting those in the first place, and skip physical media altogether (except for the standalone case with no network.)



    Furthermore, Apple should impose some discipline and common sense among the printer companies. I remember installing a Canon ink-jet where you had to download an installer (in a frigging .dmg.hqx.zip wrapper!) which then unloaded itself and left yet another installer on the desktop. THIS installer then took a separate payload package and disbursed everything within /Library. Who writes these installers? Chimps?
  • Reply 47 of 88
    ksecksec Posts: 1,569member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dlux View Post


    The installer DVD should have as much available as possible if that's the only option available for the user (ie. no net connection and/or traveling). But even the CD that comes with the printer itself is often useless if it doesn't contain the latest drivers. Just about every time I've bought a new printer I check the version on the CD against the manufacturer's support site (assuming it's at all navigable) and find that I have to download later versions anyway. So I'd rather see a consolidated and consistent method for getting those in the first place, and skip physical media altogether (except for the standalone case with no network.)



    Furthermore, Apple should impose some discipline and common sense among the printer companies. I remember installing a Canon ink-jet where you had to download an installer (in a frigging .dmg.hqx.zip wrapper!) which then unloaded itself and left yet another installer on the desktop. THIS installer then took a separate payload package and disbursed everything within /Library. Who writes these installers? Chimps?



    Yes, Apple should enforce some standard on their Printer drivers. So those ugly stupid printer manufacture get their act together.
  • Reply 48 of 88
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dlux View Post


    Whatever disk space we might reclaim as a result of Apple's diligence will be used right up again when the next Adobe installer dumps its truckload of elephant shit. Oh well.



    Then Don't use Adobe products and you can quit bitching, if you continue to use them then you have nobody to blame but yourself.



    I personally think they are the best out there for the graphics community and think CS4 is the best suite of software on my computer.
  • Reply 49 of 88
    dluxdlux Posts: 666member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MacOldTimer View Post


    Then Don't use Adobe products and you can quit bitching, if you continue to use them then you have nobody to blame but yourself.



    I personally think they are the best out there for the graphics community and think CS4 is the best suite of software on my computer.



    The software may be quite capable, but the installers from Adobe are horrible. First, they use that god-awful VICE installer nonsense, and they smear their support files everywhere like a baby with a jar of chocolate syrup. I can only imagine what the file structure on the corporate servers within Adobe must look like...
  • Reply 50 of 88
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dlux View Post


    The software may be quite capable, but the installers from Adobe are horrible. First, they use that god-awful VICE installer nonsense, and they smear their support files everywhere like a baby with a jar of chocolate syrup. I can only imagine what the file structure on the corporate servers within Adobe must look like...



    Then don't use them or go to an Adobe forum to post your feelings. This particular forum is on print drivers on demand in SL not Adobe Installers.
  • Reply 51 of 88
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Booga View Post


    Of course, I think it was a mistake to make packages directories. The Java method of using the "zip" file format makes a lot more sense, and you could easily have applied compression. You could also easily transfer them on the network. Of course wasted unused languages and nibs are nice to eliminate, but more could be done...



    Especially in the small office/enterprise where networked /LocalApps with NeXT meant you didn't install any software on your system, other than developer tools and the operating system.



    All applications were mirrored on network servers and you launched the executable which used your system resources and none of the disk space to store documentation, localization packages, executables--everything that is a bundle.
  • Reply 52 of 88
    asciiascii Posts: 5,936member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jragosta View Post


    Actually, the research I've read says that U.S. English is closer to English as it existed in the 18th century than British English is. Yours has drifted more than ours.



    I have heard that too. The z's that Americans use are closer to what English originally was, whereas the s's used by the English are due to French influence. Americans also use English measurements and English use French ones (kilometer = fail).
  • Reply 53 of 88
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Originally Posted by mariofreak85 View Post


    I wonder if all of the drivers are included on install disk, but not installed by default. Then you would just need to customize your install.



    I'm wondering if one of Apple's goals with the shrinkage of SL is to allow it to fit on an 8GB USB flash drive. This would allow for smaller packaging while decreasing the installation time considerably. There would be an additional cost over DL-DVD media, but with the general shunning of an optical media that Apple appears to be following, this would be the next step, though perhaps jumping the gun just a bit.
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    Besides purging gigantic amounts of space-wasting printer drivers, I archive off-line Library stuff like Application Support iDVD Themes, Audio files for iLife and Garage Band, Dictionaries for foreign languages. Its amazing how much space this unused stuff takes up, probably at least 5-6 GB. It doesn't matter for the average user of course, but I do weekly off-site bare-metal backups.
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    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,697member
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    but canadians burnt down the white house in 1814... so how about it, eh?



    Where the hell were they these last eight years when we needed them?
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    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,697member
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    Actually, the research I've read says that U.S. English is closer to English as it existed in the 18th century than British English is. Yours has drifted more than ours.







    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ascii View Post


    I have heard that too. The z's that Americans use are closer to what English originally was, whereas the s's used by the English are due to French influence. Americans also use English measurements and English use French ones (kilometer = fail).



    I left the UK twenty years ago to live in the US. When I flew back last year landing at Manchester I couldn't understand a word anyone said anymore. I think it must have drifted a lot faster recently!
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    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Where the hell were they these last eight years when we needed them?



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    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,508member
    I think it's interesting that on this thread we're talking about saving some tens of MB's, possibly a couple of hundred, while on the ZFS thread, we're talking about "wasting" tens of GB's, possibly hundreds.



    How's that for irony?
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    I would hope that apple just defaults to not installing excess printer drivers and language packages, but lets you customize your install to opt in for all the drivers/languages you need.

    Afterwards software update should take care that your printer drivers are up to date.

    And when you plug in a new printer it should check the internet for the latest drivers as those distributed on the disks are mostly out of date already.
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    Uh, because on October 19, 1781, General Lord Cornwallis surrendered at Yorktown.



    obviously the concept of localisation goes over your head
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