What I don't understand is why Apple doesn't include HDMI in their computers as the PC market has been doing for the last couple years.
I come home, take my notebook and plug in the HDMI cable and switch to Video 7 on my TV and turn on my wireless keyboard and mouse and have everthing I need to stream Hulu, surf the web without the need for any additional hardware or software.
Chasing the puck with 1 adapter after another.
I don't know why they DIDN'T include HDMI, however Display port is where PC's are headed.. so they are playing catch up and fast forward here.
I never said that it was pointless to watch streaming TV and movies for free. I said it is pointless, IMO, to hook up a computer monitor to a computer via an HDMI cable. I don't see how the two sentences equate. Besides, I watch streaming TV and movies for free with a DVI-D cable
There is a need for hooking up a computer to an HDMI monitor via a cable and that's to watch Blu-Ray. That's one reason we don't have Blu-Ray on the Mac because not only does it have to be supported in the depths of the OS for encoding and validation, but the hardware has to be HDMI complaint to handle the encryption. Display Port is HDMI compliant so when Apple fully implements this across their computers, they'll be ready (and Snow Leopard gets released). Thus, the reason for hooking a computer up to a monitor via HDMI is valid IF you want to watch BluRay.
I purchased a Mini DisplayPort to HDMI adapter from monoprice.com... The DisplayPort to HDMI cable is incredible.... the HDMI part of the cable...I hooked an older MacBook with a Mini DisplayPort up to two different 42" Panasonic plasma TVs.... Anyway, the cable works great and I recommend using the Mini DisplayPort to HDMI adapter much more than DVI or VGA if you are connecting to a device that supports HDMI.
Are you saying that you already have a Mini Display Port to HDMI cable (or adapter)?
Keep telling yourself that. It's rapidly becoming more common than you think. Because of Netflix and Hulu I'm hearing of more and more normal people doing this.
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I think the point is the average comsumer doesn't want to know a single word you typed.
They want to see a simple HDMI slot on their computer and one cable going to their TV for Sound and Video.
I simply do not think computers hooked up to HDTV is that prevalent yet nor do I really think they will become big items when you have Blu-ray players and HDTV themselves beginning to accept Netflix and other services as streaming content.
Where's the Mini-Displayport -> regular Displayport adapter though? I'd be interested if that will fix the problems people have with the Dual-Link DVI adapter when using 30" screens.
No one will ever convince me otherwise... Apple's decision to not include DVI, VGA, or even standard Displayport on their new monitor(s) was absolutely idiotic.. Why on earth would they want to reduce their potential market like that??
No one will ever convince me otherwise... Apple's decision to not include DVI, VGA, or even standard Displayport on their new monitor(s) was absolutely idiotic.. Why on earth would they want to reduce their potential market like that??
Well there's no need to convince you. Time will take care of that. Apple has skated to the puck ..they know that in a few years there will be plenty of DisplayPort options via many different vendors.
Well there's no need to convince you. Time will take care of that. Apple has skated to the puck ..they know that in a few years there will be plenty of DisplayPort options via many different vendors.
Problem is that there is nothing right now - people are pretty much stuck to carrying around adapters, which Apple will gladly sell for $29 a pop. A 'standard' is only as good as its adaption rate, otherwise, it's just marketing BS.
So in other words Apple is passing the cost onto its consumers requiring them to buy an Adapter rather than licensing it themselves to allow their computers to be hooked up to a TV.
To make matters worse DP doesn't even pass along audio to the TV so even if you Mickey Moused it you still can't watch Hulu or Netflix. OK, you can watch it you just can't listent to it.
I'll stick with my PC. I've been able to connect it to my TV for years.
You're so full of shit. I've been connecting my MBP to my HDTV for years with just one cable for audio and one for video. Yay, you can do it with one. I'm only half as awesome as you. Stop acting like you've discovered some gaping deficiency in the Mac.
Problem is that there is nothing right now - people are pretty much stuck to carrying around adapters, which Apple will gladly sell for $29 a pop. A 'standard' is only as good as its adaption rate, otherwise, it's just marketing BS.
There is a very important distinction in the DisplayPort issue that you and many others keep missing... The Mini-DisplayPort situation on the Macbook/Pro is not that big of deal.. You indeed can use a simple adapter to connect to a DVI display. However, the new 24" LED-lit Cinema Display ONLY HAS A MINI-DISPLAYPORT CONNECTOR.. There is NOT AN ADAPTER to convert from a DVI-output on a laptop to a mini-displayport input on the Display (nor is it even POSSIBLE without a very complex "active" aka powered adapter -- it is NOT a matter of simply moving wires around, it would have to actually use signal processing to convert the DVI signal to a displayport signal), Not to mention I believe the mini-displayport on the Cinema display is a MALE plug that goes INTO the Macbook, so even if you had some type of active adapter from DVI->Displayport, it would have to have a "female" displayport receiver... Very strange and rather ridiculous..
You're so full of shit. I've been connecting my MBP to my HDTV for years with just one cable for audio and one for video. Yay, you can do it with one. I'm only half as awesome as you. Stop acting like you've discovered some gaping deficiency in the Mac.
And your MBPro that you've been connecting for "years" has solely a displayport output?
Yes a very good article with some interesting info
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For LVDS to handle 1920×1200-pixel resolution and 8 bits per color, it needs 10 high-speed differential-signal pairs, or 20 wires. For the same function, DisplayPort reduces this requirement to only two pairs, or four wires. An LVDS implementation requires at least 3.3 or 2.5V, so it?s becoming increasingly difficult at 45-nm and smaller process geometries.
Because DisplayPort is ac-coupled, instead of dc-coupled like HDMI, it has a lower voltage swing and a different termination scheme. You must terminate HDMI only at the receiver and pull it up to 3.3V, says Pericom?s Raouf. But you can terminate DisplayPort at both the source and the receiver, and it can never exceed 2V
This to me is quite interesting seeing as how Westermere 32nm is due this year and Intel's integrating many items that were typically managed by the North Bridge into the CPU itself. Voltage would seem to be very important at this level of integration.
Right now DisplayPort parts are more expensive because their are thousands of manufacturers making LVDS products but DisplayPort wins with Apple and Dell are going to help its visibility. The growing pains won't be that significant since there is backwards compatibilty (despite the whining about adapters)
I particularly liked how the DisplayPort spec *IS* intelligent enough to hook up to HDMI, because it's adapting to the sensed HDMI adapter. Very slick. I was under the impression that the signals were compatible, but no, it's actually modifying the signal to match on the fly. Ditto with DVI. Much more brains in there than most suspect.
The distinction between internal and external display standards is an important one, and one that I wasn't aware of until recently. DP unifies the two, simplifies the mobo, simplifies the wiring to the display, and provides a single port that can do the duty of many. Gotta love it. Once this hits even reasonable economies of scale, it will reduce manufacturing costs nicely. As you point out, with Apple and Dell behind it, that scale won't take long.
Too bad the spec didn't come with User Whining Detection to toss up a Cone of Silence.
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What I don't understand is why Apple doesn't include HDMI in their computers as the PC market has been doing for the last couple years.
I come home, take my notebook and plug in the HDMI cable and switch to Video 7 on my TV and turn on my wireless keyboard and mouse and have everthing I need to stream Hulu, surf the web without the need for any additional hardware or software.
Chasing the puck with 1 adapter after another.
I don't know why they DIDN'T include HDMI, however Display port is where PC's are headed.. so they are playing catch up and fast forward here.
I still don't understand...
I never said that it was pointless to watch streaming TV and movies for free. I said it is pointless, IMO, to hook up a computer monitor to a computer via an HDMI cable. I don't see how the two sentences equate. Besides, I watch streaming TV and movies for free with a DVI-D cable
There is a need for hooking up a computer to an HDMI monitor via a cable and that's to watch Blu-Ray. That's one reason we don't have Blu-Ray on the Mac because not only does it have to be supported in the depths of the OS for encoding and validation, but the hardware has to be HDMI complaint to handle the encryption. Display Port is HDMI compliant so when Apple fully implements this across their computers, they'll be ready (and Snow Leopard gets released). Thus, the reason for hooking a computer up to a monitor via HDMI is valid IF you want to watch BluRay.
I purchased a Mini DisplayPort to HDMI adapter from monoprice.com... The DisplayPort to HDMI cable is incredible.... the HDMI part of the cable...I hooked an older MacBook with a Mini DisplayPort up to two different 42" Panasonic plasma TVs.... Anyway, the cable works great and I recommend using the Mini DisplayPort to HDMI adapter much more than DVI or VGA if you are connecting to a device that supports HDMI.
Are you saying that you already have a Mini Display Port to HDMI cable (or adapter)?
What product ID at monoprice.com?
Are you saying that you already have a Mini Display Port to HDMI cable (or adapter)?
What product ID at monoprice.com?
Yes he is saying that; and he likely either works for them or is lying, or he's telling the truth. We'll never know I guess.
Are you saying that you already have a Mini Display Port to HDMI cable (or adapter)?
What product ID at monoprice.com?
I am saying that I already have the cable/adapter. On monoprice.com, it is listed as a Mini-DVI to HDMI cable. Here is the link: http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2
Yes he is saying that; and he likely either works for them or is lying, or he's telling the truth. We'll never know I guess.
Monoprice.com lists the cable/adapter as a Mini-DVI to HDMI cable. Here is the link: http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2
Monoprice.com lists the cable/adapter as a Mini-DVI to HDMI cable. Here is the link: http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2
That's the wrong cable.
Keep telling yourself that. It's rapidly becoming more common than you think. Because of Netflix and Hulu I'm hearing of more and more normal people doing this.
That was in response to this
I think the point is the average comsumer doesn't want to know a single word you typed.
They want to see a simple HDMI slot on their computer and one cable going to their TV for Sound and Video.
I simply do not think computers hooked up to HDTV is that prevalent yet nor do I really think they will become big items when you have Blu-ray players and HDTV themselves beginning to accept Netflix and other services as streaming content.
No one will ever convince me otherwise... Apple's decision to not include DVI, VGA, or even standard Displayport on their new monitor(s) was absolutely idiotic.. Why on earth would they want to reduce their potential market like that??
Well there's no need to convince you. Time will take care of that. Apple has skated to the puck ..they know that in a few years there will be plenty of DisplayPort options via many different vendors.
Well there's no need to convince you. Time will take care of that. Apple has skated to the puck ..they know that in a few years there will be plenty of DisplayPort options via many different vendors.
Problem is that there is nothing right now - people are pretty much stuck to carrying around adapters, which Apple will gladly sell for $29 a pop. A 'standard' is only as good as its adaption rate, otherwise, it's just marketing BS.
So in other words Apple is passing the cost onto its consumers requiring them to buy an Adapter rather than licensing it themselves to allow their computers to be hooked up to a TV.
To make matters worse DP doesn't even pass along audio to the TV so even if you Mickey Moused it you still can't watch Hulu or Netflix. OK, you can watch it you just can't listent to it.
I'll stick with my PC. I've been able to connect it to my TV for years.
You're so full of shit. I've been connecting my MBP to my HDTV for years with just one cable for audio and one for video. Yay, you can do it with one. I'm only half as awesome as you. Stop acting like you've discovered some gaping deficiency in the Mac.
Problem is that there is nothing right now - people are pretty much stuck to carrying around adapters, which Apple will gladly sell for $29 a pop. A 'standard' is only as good as its adaption rate, otherwise, it's just marketing BS.
There is a very important distinction in the DisplayPort issue that you and many others keep missing... The Mini-DisplayPort situation on the Macbook/Pro is not that big of deal.. You indeed can use a simple adapter to connect to a DVI display. However, the new 24" LED-lit Cinema Display ONLY HAS A MINI-DISPLAYPORT CONNECTOR.. There is NOT AN ADAPTER to convert from a DVI-output on a laptop to a mini-displayport input on the Display (nor is it even POSSIBLE without a very complex "active" aka powered adapter -- it is NOT a matter of simply moving wires around, it would have to actually use signal processing to convert the DVI signal to a displayport signal), Not to mention I believe the mini-displayport on the Cinema display is a MALE plug that goes INTO the Macbook, so even if you had some type of active adapter from DVI->Displayport, it would have to have a "female" displayport receiver... Very strange and rather ridiculous..
You're so full of shit. I've been connecting my MBP to my HDTV for years with just one cable for audio and one for video. Yay, you can do it with one. I'm only half as awesome as you. Stop acting like you've discovered some gaping deficiency in the Mac.
And your MBPro that you've been connecting for "years" has solely a displayport output?
http://www.edn.com/article/CA6594089.html
(Still an excellent comparison.)
An article that I'm sure will settle this once and for all... just as soon as unicorns fly through my window.
http://www.edn.com/article/CA6594089.html
(Still an excellent comparison.)
Yes a very good article with some interesting info
For LVDS to handle 1920×1200-pixel resolution and 8 bits per color, it needs 10 high-speed differential-signal pairs, or 20 wires. For the same function, DisplayPort reduces this requirement to only two pairs, or four wires. An LVDS implementation requires at least 3.3 or 2.5V, so it?s becoming increasingly difficult at 45-nm and smaller process geometries.
Because DisplayPort is ac-coupled, instead of dc-coupled like HDMI, it has a lower voltage swing and a different termination scheme. You must terminate HDMI only at the receiver and pull it up to 3.3V, says Pericom?s Raouf. But you can terminate DisplayPort at both the source and the receiver, and it can never exceed 2V
This to me is quite interesting seeing as how Westermere 32nm is due this year and Intel's integrating many items that were typically managed by the North Bridge into the CPU itself. Voltage would seem to be very important at this level of integration.
Right now DisplayPort parts are more expensive because their are thousands of manufacturers making LVDS products but DisplayPort wins with Apple and Dell are going to help its visibility. The growing pains won't be that significant since there is backwards compatibilty (despite the whining about adapters)
The distinction between internal and external display standards is an important one, and one that I wasn't aware of until recently. DP unifies the two, simplifies the mobo, simplifies the wiring to the display, and provides a single port that can do the duty of many. Gotta love it. Once this hits even reasonable economies of scale, it will reduce manufacturing costs nicely. As you point out, with Apple and Dell behind it, that scale won't take long.
Too bad the spec didn't come with User Whining Detection to toss up a Cone of Silence.