I was really looking forward to purchasing a new iMac and had delayed purchase in anticipation of some great Apple ingenuity. Unfortunately I felt let down, as a lot of others in this forum are. I get a nagging feeling that I'd be squeezed for each penny (And/Or they just threw up their hands and said we don't really give a S&*t), that Apple's staff meetings consist of more marketing and pricing analysis than innovative designs and features. I have respected Apple for having a vision of innovation, but I fail to see vision in these products (Mac Pro excluded). Hey, I'd even pay more for higher quality/performance, just give me the option.
I'm planning on waiting for more benchmarks on performance. I don't know if I'll buy a previous model, wait for the back to school special, or maybe just spring for a Sony Viao (quite the package now). If anyone in-the-know has any inputs for someone dissuaded by these offers please advise.
I too was hoping for a more radical upgrade (at least quad core and LED backlight), so I was also disappointed.
Instead of replacing my G5 iMac, I ordered a 15" MBPro (unibody refurb), and will look to the next iMac refresh for a reason to upgrade my G5. I need an Intel Mac now to start iPhone development.
I like everyone was eagerly waiting for this imac update but was bitterly disappointed.
I have an almost 6 year old imac fp and indeed these imacs would be a hell of an upgrade from this model but the problem is that my next imac has to do me probably another 6 years so I'm looking for as new/good a computer as I can get for as much future proofing as I can get.
These models in my opinion are already 1 year old they are 2007/2008 technology which will have to last me to around 2015. If Apple had put a 4 core model in at the top with an LED screen I would be in the Apple store now but they didn't so I'm not. I think I will wait until the message gets through to Apple that they can't increase (UK) prices for the same computers (essentially) and get away with it.
Have Apple ever been to a computer store? They are selling half decent computers for £400 now. Now they aren't as good as macs but people who don't know better look at the two tickets one for imac one for a pc and plump for the pc at half the price. Apple need to make the imac a compelling buy, they aren't.
This update was a big mistake and I hope Apple change their minds and get their fingers out and produce a top grade computer instead of palming us of with last years models.
Yup go for the MacBook or MacBook Pro Alu Unibody - refurbished. I'm staring down an opportunity now to pick up the MacBook 2.0 Alu for 15% off (about USD $1,000). And I get to inspect the Mac first before closing the deal.
But you know what, I just ain't thinking about it that hard. My Core Duo White MacBook is still kicking. My mind wanders to the thought of a USD $700 self-assembled kickass Nvidia GTX 260 (none of this GT 120 (Nvidia ~9600) rebranded stuff) desktop driving a 19" or 22" monitor. And it would chew pixels like a pig on slop and put all but the Radeon 4850 iMac (which is $2500) to shame.
But hey... That's just me... Ever since my Nvidia 6600GT I got quite fascinated with GPUs and I've always had a soft spot for gaming.
I don't care about Core i7. Even an AMD dualcore Athlon, put in a GTX 260, 22" screen, hand-pick your components... Give me $700 and I'll show you something that really kicks butt.
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Originally Posted by kper99
I was really looking forward to purchasing a new iMac and had delayed purchase in anticipation of some great Apple ingenuity. Unfortunately I felt let down, as a lot of others in this forum are. I get a nagging feeling that I'd be squeezed for each penny (And/Or they just threw up their hands and said we don't really give a S&*t), that Apple's staff meetings consist of more marketing and pricing analysis than innovative designs and features. I have respected Apple for having a vision of innovation, but I fail to see vision in these products (Mac Pro excluded). Hey, I'd even pay more for higher quality/performance, just give me the option.
I'm planning on waiting for more benchmarks on performance. I don't know if I'll buy a previous model, wait for the back to school special, or maybe just spring for a Sony Viao (quite the package now). If anyone in-the-know has any inputs for someone dissuaded by these offers please advise.
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Originally Posted by scoates
To mis-quote Obi-Wan,
"These aren't the upgrades you're looking for.
You can go about your business.
Move along."
I too was hoping for a more radical upgrade (at least quad core and LED backlight), so I was also disappointed.
Instead of replacing my G5 iMac, I ordered a 15" MBPro (unibody refurb), and will look to the next iMac refresh for a reason to upgrade my G5. I need an Intel Mac now to start iPhone development.
Get a Mac Mini that will last you a solid 3 years including a little RAM or hard disk upgrade here or there. Unless you're into gaming... In which case... I just wouldn't know what to say.
The £929.00 MacBook Aluminium could last you 4 years, including a little RAM and hard disk upgrade. Can always easily connect it to an external screen... An big external screen breathes life into an aging 13" laptop like almost nothing else.
The top-notch, real software+hardware value is in the MacBook Alu. line right now. Other Apple offerings are more software value and weaker on hardware bang-for-buck.
Judging by most forum responses, perhaps we've all set our expectations high. We all wanted quad core and dedicated 9600GT graphics in the mid-range iMacs. That an LED backlighting, perhaps. And no weirdness like chopped off keyboards.
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Originally Posted by stniuk
I like everyone was eagerly waiting for this imac update but was bitterly disappointed.
I have an almost 6 year old imac fp and indeed these imacs would be a hell of an upgrade from this model but the problem is that my next imac has to do me probably another 6 years so I'm looking for as new/good a computer as I can get for as much future proofing as I can get.
These models in my opinion are already 1 year old they are 2007/2008 technology which will have to last me to around 2015. If Apple had put a 4 core model in at the top with an LED screen I would be in the Apple store now but they didn't so I'm not. I think I will wait until the message gets through to Apple that they can't increase (UK) prices for the same computers (essentially) and get away with it.
Have Apple ever been to a computer store? They are selling half decent computers for £400 now. Now they aren't as good as macs but people who don't know better look at the two tickets one for imac one for a pc and plump for the pc at half the price. Apple need to make the imac a compelling buy, they aren't.
This update was a big mistake and I hope Apple change their minds and get their fingers out and produce a top grade computer instead of palming us of with last years models.
They could be holding out for Snow Leopard for example, where you'll get some amazing things** you can do with your Mac leveraging powerful GPUs and CPUs with 4 cores and more.
Apple needs to redesign the iMac anyway to make it more green. LED Backlights, get rid somehow of the huge plastic bit at the back. More similar to LED Cinema Display.
But the economy the way it is, and Steve not in the picture, *sigh*. I really don't know.
**Apple needs to figure out WHAT these amazing things really are.
Apple needs to have an App Store for Mac Apps. Sounds crazy? I don't think so.
How much value has the App Store added to iPod Touch and iPhone 3G? Could the same thing be done for Mac Apps? Instead of disparate online/ retail/ shareware could there be an iTunes Store for Mac Apps? For Snow Leopard onwards? Or even for Leopard? Encourage more development for Mac, validate the apps as usual, put to bed that argument "Oh, but on my PC I can easily do... etc..."
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Originally Posted by Shaun, UK
Is there any chance that these upgrades could be a stop gap before something more ground breaking?
Now that Apple have standardised their laptops around one basic design is there any chance they could do the same with their dektops?...
Hey I'm all for better gpus and faster HDDs but lets face it, when it comes to all around performance the CPU does the heavy lifting.
If it doesn't change or change much, users aren't going to notice much difference.
Maybe that's the point.
Apple's point has been that CPU growth is slowing down. The GPU is becoming much more important, not only for graphics, but for other tasks as well. That's why Apple embarked on OpenCL and Grand Central.
I think users are going to notice a significant difference for the majority of tasks especially after Snow Leopard is released.
By the way, integrated graphics using the Nvidia 9400 should no longer be looked down upon as crap. It's now competitive with low to mid-tier discrete graphics cards.
I was really looking forward to purchasing a new iMac and had delayed purchase in anticipation of some great Apple ingenuity. Unfortunately I felt let down, as a lot of others in this forum are. I get a nagging feeling that I'd be squeezed for each penny (And/Or they just threw up their hands and said we don't really give a S&*t), that Apple's staff meetings consist of more marketing and pricing analysis than innovative designs and features. I have respected Apple for having a vision of innovation, but I fail to see vision in these products (Mac Pro excluded). Hey, I'd even pay more for higher quality/performance, just give me the option.
I'm planning on waiting for more benchmarks on performance. I don't know if I'll buy a previous model, wait for the back to school special, or maybe just spring for a Sony Viao (quite the package now). If anyone in-the-know has any inputs for someone dissuaded by these offers please advise.
For some funny reason, this is just like most first posts that are hitting Appleinsider and Macworld as well.
Crap on Apple, its staff, Jobs, Mac,s without hesitation. Threatening to buy pcs, which in itself questions the bloggers true identity; once a Mac, you never go back.
Alway wants this, wants that, cheaper, cheaper, and are sickeningly disappointed.
Just perusing through the last few articles, out of the 24 new posters, there were 15 trashers, 3 were neutral and 6 were positive. Most interesting: a significant number of newbies are from the UK and just seemed they couldn't wait to spew crap.
More intriguing, they seem to be using the same words or phrases, like, "I have respected Apple for having a vision of innovation?" But again, most have never had a Mac.
Bottom line: I think that a lot of the trolls are not a lot. Just one or two AH's that multi-registered.
I was really looking forward to purchasing a new iMac and had delayed purchase in anticipation of some great Apple ingenuity. Unfortunately I felt let down, as a lot of others in this forum are. I get a nagging feeling that I'd be squeezed for each penny (And/Or they just threw up their hands and said we don't really give a S&*t), that Apple's staff meetings consist of more marketing and pricing analysis than innovative designs and features. I have respected Apple for having a vision of innovation, but I fail to see vision in these products (Mac Pro excluded). Hey, I'd even pay more for higher quality/performance, just give me the option.
Seriously, do you think Apple is happy that the top end of the iMac line is still a 3.06GHz dual-core? The iMac delay may well have been due to Apple experimenting with quad cores in the iMac and ultimately after building and testing prototypes, deciding that the reliability of the new cooling system was not good enough. Has everyone forgotten the liquid-cooling PowerMac G5s?
Too many are posting from emotion, without much reason to back it up. Give Apple some credit for vision - Apple embarked on OpenCL and Grand Central over 18 months ago; it's clear Apple could see the trend for Intel CPUs relative to power and cost. They surprised everyone once before when they switched from PowerPC to Intel precisely for power and cost; this trend killed Motorola years ago, Intel managed to innovate just enough to hold it off for another two years. Even though Apple doesn't publish its roadmap, don't you think Apple has an internal roadmap that clearly keeps tabs on this?
It's too bad that Snow Leopard isn't already here - we've seen that internally for some at Apple, 1Q was a goal (but I think 3Q is more likely). Hopefully it will make a big difference and begin to blow away Windows PCs (running faster chips).
The retail costs for a faster CPU is rather high...otherwise I would be thinking about it.
At $599, on paper you coyodnhave thrown in a entry i7. Why not, they bumped the GPU and realize laptops sell more and now, in some regard offerva machine with girewirenand decent audio video ( stop waiting for benchmarks), camcorder and slight possibility apple didn't cripple it. If so you'll see these in edit bays servers farms audio bay. So why not an entry level 7 chip. They are not xpensive and wouldhavenmade the mini one killer machine that is not portable but very strong. Woulndnhave sold millions. Think of all the promsumernmusicians,editors, mom and pop 1 to 1 users and all the IT users fir target mode. What could have been more epic will porbanly be an eclipse. Typing=iPhone
My opinion is that apple is just restuffing the same old stuff to show those products are still alive before a real update when Snow Leopard comes out..
If people don't buy these updates and keep complaining, you'll be right. If people are impatient or stupid and buy them anyway, then probably not. They'll take the higher profit margins on quite old hardware gladly if there are enough suckers who keep buying them. Then they can brag about their massive profits, shareholders will be happy, and fanboys will say Apple rocks because they're making larger profits off of them.
I say, keep up the anger, don't buy them, and we'll see a real update late this summer unless they really don't care about their consumer desktop market anymore (and are just using it for easy high profits from diehards and the unfortunate people who don't know any better).
What benchmarks have you seen showing the iMac two or three years behind. The iMac is using Penryn parts.
Yep, and penryn is pretty old technology. Now there are consumer PCs shipping with quad core i7 that will leave even the newest fastest iMac in the dust.
Bad news there. A Toby over on Macrumors created a thread about his installation of RAM in his new mini and he noticed that the C2D were not socketed. There goes a cheap upgrade ..sigh. I'm going to remain hopeful that whatever card Apple is using can be replicated by a 3rd party.
Idea. I work fir an IT tech firm, mostly Apple they pay us to maintain our equipment. Wonder if I can find out about getting a mobo and CPU non soldered. LOL
Actually, you should include the Mac Pro. They removed the only professional video card from the list of BTO options. In addition, they are only offering a single PCIe 16X slot. This is not acceptable for a machine that's targeted at scientific computing, high-end video compositing and 3D design.
If anything, the Mac Pro suffered the worst from these updates, demotion from 8 to quad, demotion to 8 gigs of ram, and a big price boost.
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Originally Posted by TenoBell
Depends on the machine. Most of the new dedicated GPU's can handle video encoding.
But does OSX support that hardware functionality?
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Originally Posted by TenoBell
Apple essentially offered a slight bump at a lower cost. Their is no reason for them to use their savings to sell more machines during an economic crisis.
Yeah, because during an economic crisis the last thing you want to do is SELL MORE MACHINES.
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Originally Posted by TenoBell
Well do you honestly feel it would business wise to have a major refresh now when the PC market is projected to have a terrible year?
it looks like you only took a look at the first lines of my post, but again...
Computer power in these days don't relay on the processor only, it has to do more with the total of components and how they work and communicate together. In the case of Apple computers with the OS, you should know that Mac OS X is another kind of beast and use the whole components in its particular way, with Snow Leopard the user experience will be exponentially boosted.
I have customers that edit HD for local tv in their iMacs, it could be faster on a Mac Pro but is darn faster than some of the offering on windows world. Not to mention the hundreds running Adobe's suites. They use their equipment for profit and depend on speed to do stuff.
They just not complain cause their Macs are up to the task and KNOW how to use them.
True but doesn't 5200 rpm kill the mini. Could have been a killer machine Like a laptop.
and Steve not in the picture, *sigh*. I really don't know.
"Steve" has been the problem since 2005. He decided to kill the consumer affordable PowerMac desktop line and made people choose between an expensive non-upgradeable All-in-One (using laptop parts) or an insanely expensive mega "Pro" line. Steve was fine prior to 2005, when Apple offered a reasonable selection (iMacs for the cheap end, low-end PowerMacs for mid-range, high-end PowerMacs for the "professionals"). Unfortunately, they decided to turn Apple from the fun, alternative computer to a high end fashion brand like Gucci. Why not make higher profits on fewer items sold to a smaller demographic? Great for Apple shareholders, bad for the average person. Their market share has barely grown, despite people being fed up with Windows and not being locked into Windows like they were in the 90's.
Anyway, this is still the work of Steve. The early 2000's Steve was great, but things have changed. I honestly can't wait for him to go now.
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Answer: Idiots
Question:Who the hell relies on benchmarks based solely on clock speed?
Answer: Idiots
I'm planning on waiting for more benchmarks on performance. I don't know if I'll buy a previous model, wait for the back to school special, or maybe just spring for a Sony Viao (quite the package now). If anyone in-the-know has any inputs for someone dissuaded by these offers please advise.
"These aren't the upgrades you're looking for.
You can go about your business.
Move along."
I too was hoping for a more radical upgrade (at least quad core and LED backlight), so I was also disappointed.
Instead of replacing my G5 iMac, I ordered a 15" MBPro (unibody refurb), and will look to the next iMac refresh for a reason to upgrade my G5. I need an Intel Mac now to start iPhone development.
I have an almost 6 year old imac fp and indeed these imacs would be a hell of an upgrade from this model but the problem is that my next imac has to do me probably another 6 years so I'm looking for as new/good a computer as I can get for as much future proofing as I can get.
These models in my opinion are already 1 year old they are 2007/2008 technology which will have to last me to around 2015. If Apple had put a 4 core model in at the top with an LED screen I would be in the Apple store now but they didn't so I'm not. I think I will wait until the message gets through to Apple that they can't increase (UK) prices for the same computers (essentially) and get away with it.
Have Apple ever been to a computer store? They are selling half decent computers for £400 now. Now they aren't as good as macs but people who don't know better look at the two tickets one for imac one for a pc and plump for the pc at half the price. Apple need to make the imac a compelling buy, they aren't.
This update was a big mistake and I hope Apple change their minds and get their fingers out and produce a top grade computer instead of palming us of with last years models.
But you know what, I just ain't thinking about it that hard. My Core Duo White MacBook is still kicking. My mind wanders to the thought of a USD $700 self-assembled kickass Nvidia GTX 260 (none of this GT 120 (Nvidia ~9600) rebranded stuff) desktop driving a 19" or 22" monitor. And it would chew pixels like a pig on slop and put all but the Radeon 4850 iMac (which is $2500) to shame.
But hey... That's just me... Ever since my Nvidia 6600GT I got quite fascinated with GPUs and I've always had a soft spot for gaming.
I don't care about Core i7. Even an AMD dualcore Athlon, put in a GTX 260, 22" screen, hand-pick your components... Give me $700 and I'll show you something that really kicks butt.
I was really looking forward to purchasing a new iMac and had delayed purchase in anticipation of some great Apple ingenuity. Unfortunately I felt let down, as a lot of others in this forum are. I get a nagging feeling that I'd be squeezed for each penny (And/Or they just threw up their hands and said we don't really give a S&*t), that Apple's staff meetings consist of more marketing and pricing analysis than innovative designs and features. I have respected Apple for having a vision of innovation, but I fail to see vision in these products (Mac Pro excluded). Hey, I'd even pay more for higher quality/performance, just give me the option.
I'm planning on waiting for more benchmarks on performance. I don't know if I'll buy a previous model, wait for the back to school special, or maybe just spring for a Sony Viao (quite the package now). If anyone in-the-know has any inputs for someone dissuaded by these offers please advise.
To mis-quote Obi-Wan,
"These aren't the upgrades you're looking for.
You can go about your business.
Move along."
I too was hoping for a more radical upgrade (at least quad core and LED backlight), so I was also disappointed.
Instead of replacing my G5 iMac, I ordered a 15" MBPro (unibody refurb), and will look to the next iMac refresh for a reason to upgrade my G5. I need an Intel Mac now to start iPhone development.
The £929.00 MacBook Aluminium could last you 4 years, including a little RAM and hard disk upgrade. Can always easily connect it to an external screen... An big external screen breathes life into an aging 13" laptop like almost nothing else.
The top-notch, real software+hardware value is in the MacBook Alu. line right now. Other Apple offerings are more software value and weaker on hardware bang-for-buck.
Judging by most forum responses, perhaps we've all set our expectations high. We all wanted quad core and dedicated 9600GT graphics in the mid-range iMacs. That an LED backlighting, perhaps. And no weirdness like chopped off keyboards.
I like everyone was eagerly waiting for this imac update but was bitterly disappointed.
I have an almost 6 year old imac fp and indeed these imacs would be a hell of an upgrade from this model but the problem is that my next imac has to do me probably another 6 years so I'm looking for as new/good a computer as I can get for as much future proofing as I can get.
These models in my opinion are already 1 year old they are 2007/2008 technology which will have to last me to around 2015. If Apple had put a 4 core model in at the top with an LED screen I would be in the Apple store now but they didn't so I'm not. I think I will wait until the message gets through to Apple that they can't increase (UK) prices for the same computers (essentially) and get away with it.
Have Apple ever been to a computer store? They are selling half decent computers for £400 now. Now they aren't as good as macs but people who don't know better look at the two tickets one for imac one for a pc and plump for the pc at half the price. Apple need to make the imac a compelling buy, they aren't.
This update was a big mistake and I hope Apple change their minds and get their fingers out and produce a top grade computer instead of palming us of with last years models.
Now that Apple have standardised their laptops around one basic design is there any chance they could do the same with their dektops?
A 17" iMac to replace the MacMini?
An iMac Pro to replace the Mac Pro?
All with a redesigned enclosure and touch screen versions?
Add some form of black box product without a screen for those who need a server / self-customisable product?
Just thinking out loud - don't know if this is feasible or even sensible.
Apple needs to redesign the iMac anyway to make it more green. LED Backlights, get rid somehow of the huge plastic bit at the back. More similar to LED Cinema Display.
But the economy the way it is, and Steve not in the picture, *sigh*. I really don't know.
**Apple needs to figure out WHAT these amazing things really are.
Apple needs to have an App Store for Mac Apps. Sounds crazy? I don't think so.
How much value has the App Store added to iPod Touch and iPhone 3G? Could the same thing be done for Mac Apps? Instead of disparate online/ retail/ shareware could there be an iTunes Store for Mac Apps? For Snow Leopard onwards? Or even for Leopard? Encourage more development for Mac, validate the apps as usual, put to bed that argument "Oh, but on my PC I can easily do... etc..."
Is there any chance that these upgrades could be a stop gap before something more ground breaking?
Now that Apple have standardised their laptops around one basic design is there any chance they could do the same with their dektops?...
To temper users expectations?
Hey I'm all for better gpus and faster HDDs but lets face it, when it comes to all around performance the CPU does the heavy lifting.
If it doesn't change or change much, users aren't going to notice much difference.
Maybe that's the point.
Apple's point has been that CPU growth is slowing down. The GPU is becoming much more important, not only for graphics, but for other tasks as well. That's why Apple embarked on OpenCL and Grand Central.
I think users are going to notice a significant difference for the majority of tasks especially after Snow Leopard is released.
By the way, integrated graphics using the Nvidia 9400 should no longer be looked down upon as crap. It's now competitive with low to mid-tier discrete graphics cards.
I was really looking forward to purchasing a new iMac and had delayed purchase in anticipation of some great Apple ingenuity. Unfortunately I felt let down, as a lot of others in this forum are. I get a nagging feeling that I'd be squeezed for each penny (And/Or they just threw up their hands and said we don't really give a S&*t), that Apple's staff meetings consist of more marketing and pricing analysis than innovative designs and features. I have respected Apple for having a vision of innovation, but I fail to see vision in these products (Mac Pro excluded). Hey, I'd even pay more for higher quality/performance, just give me the option.
I'm planning on waiting for more benchmarks on performance. I don't know if I'll buy a previous model, wait for the back to school special, or maybe just spring for a Sony Viao (quite the package now). If anyone in-the-know has any inputs for someone dissuaded by these offers please advise.
For some funny reason, this is just like most first posts that are hitting Appleinsider and Macworld as well.
Crap on Apple, its staff, Jobs, Mac,s without hesitation. Threatening to buy pcs, which in itself questions the bloggers true identity; once a Mac, you never go back.
Alway wants this, wants that, cheaper, cheaper, and are sickeningly disappointed.
Just perusing through the last few articles, out of the 24 new posters, there were 15 trashers, 3 were neutral and 6 were positive. Most interesting: a significant number of newbies are from the UK and just seemed they couldn't wait to spew crap.
More intriguing, they seem to be using the same words or phrases, like, "I have respected Apple for having a vision of innovation?" But again, most have never had a Mac.
Bottom line: I think that a lot of the trolls are not a lot. Just one or two AH's that multi-registered.
I was really looking forward to purchasing a new iMac and had delayed purchase in anticipation of some great Apple ingenuity. Unfortunately I felt let down, as a lot of others in this forum are. I get a nagging feeling that I'd be squeezed for each penny (And/Or they just threw up their hands and said we don't really give a S&*t), that Apple's staff meetings consist of more marketing and pricing analysis than innovative designs and features. I have respected Apple for having a vision of innovation, but I fail to see vision in these products (Mac Pro excluded). Hey, I'd even pay more for higher quality/performance, just give me the option.
Seriously, do you think Apple is happy that the top end of the iMac line is still a 3.06GHz dual-core? The iMac delay may well have been due to Apple experimenting with quad cores in the iMac and ultimately after building and testing prototypes, deciding that the reliability of the new cooling system was not good enough. Has everyone forgotten the liquid-cooling PowerMac G5s?
Too many are posting from emotion, without much reason to back it up. Give Apple some credit for vision - Apple embarked on OpenCL and Grand Central over 18 months ago; it's clear Apple could see the trend for Intel CPUs relative to power and cost. They surprised everyone once before when they switched from PowerPC to Intel precisely for power and cost; this trend killed Motorola years ago, Intel managed to innovate just enough to hold it off for another two years. Even though Apple doesn't publish its roadmap, don't you think Apple has an internal roadmap that clearly keeps tabs on this?
It's too bad that Snow Leopard isn't already here - we've seen that internally for some at Apple, 1Q was a goal (but I think 3Q is more likely). Hopefully it will make a big difference and begin to blow away Windows PCs (running faster chips).
The retail costs for a faster CPU is rather high...otherwise I would be thinking about it.
At $599, on paper you coyodnhave thrown in a entry i7. Why not, they bumped the GPU and realize laptops sell more and now, in some regard offerva machine with girewirenand decent audio video ( stop waiting for benchmarks), camcorder and slight possibility apple didn't cripple it. If so you'll see these in edit bays servers farms audio bay. So why not an entry level 7 chip. They are not xpensive and wouldhavenmade the mini one killer machine that is not portable but very strong. Woulndnhave sold millions. Think of all the promsumernmusicians,editors, mom and pop 1 to 1 users and all the IT users fir target mode. What could have been more epic will porbanly be an eclipse. Typing=iPhone
My opinion is that apple is just restuffing the same old stuff to show those products are still alive before a real update when Snow Leopard comes out..
If people don't buy these updates and keep complaining, you'll be right. If people are impatient or stupid and buy them anyway, then probably not. They'll take the higher profit margins on quite old hardware gladly if there are enough suckers who keep buying them. Then they can brag about their massive profits, shareholders will be happy, and fanboys will say Apple rocks because they're making larger profits off of them.
I say, keep up the anger, don't buy them, and we'll see a real update late this summer unless they really don't care about their consumer desktop market anymore (and are just using it for easy high profits from diehards and the unfortunate people who don't know any better).
What benchmarks have you seen showing the iMac two or three years behind. The iMac is using Penryn parts.
Yep, and penryn is pretty old technology. Now there are consumer PCs shipping with quad core i7 that will leave even the newest fastest iMac in the dust.
Dave
Bad news there. A Toby over on Macrumors created a thread about his installation of RAM in his new mini and he noticed that the C2D were not socketed. There goes a cheap upgrade ..sigh. I'm going to remain hopeful that whatever card Apple is using can be replicated by a 3rd party.
Idea. I work fir an IT tech firm, mostly Apple they pay us to maintain our equipment. Wonder if I can find out about getting a mobo and CPU non soldered. LOL
Actually, you should include the Mac Pro. They removed the only professional video card from the list of BTO options. In addition, they are only offering a single PCIe 16X slot. This is not acceptable for a machine that's targeted at scientific computing, high-end video compositing and 3D design.
If anything, the Mac Pro suffered the worst from these updates, demotion from 8 to quad, demotion to 8 gigs of ram, and a big price boost.
Depends on the machine. Most of the new dedicated GPU's can handle video encoding.
But does OSX support that hardware functionality?
Apple essentially offered a slight bump at a lower cost. Their is no reason for them to use their savings to sell more machines during an economic crisis.
Yeah, because during an economic crisis the last thing you want to do is SELL MORE MACHINES.
Well do you honestly feel it would business wise to have a major refresh now when the PC market is projected to have a terrible year?
Yes.
it looks like you only took a look at the first lines of my post, but again...
Computer power in these days don't relay on the processor only, it has to do more with the total of components and how they work and communicate together. In the case of Apple computers with the OS, you should know that Mac OS X is another kind of beast and use the whole components in its particular way, with Snow Leopard the user experience will be exponentially boosted.
I have customers that edit HD for local tv in their iMacs, it could be faster on a Mac Pro but is darn faster than some of the offering on windows world. Not to mention the hundreds running Adobe's suites. They use their equipment for profit and depend on speed to do stuff.
They just not complain cause their Macs are up to the task and KNOW how to use them.
True but doesn't 5200 rpm kill the mini. Could have been a killer machine Like a laptop.
and Steve not in the picture, *sigh*. I really don't know.
"Steve" has been the problem since 2005. He decided to kill the consumer affordable PowerMac desktop line and made people choose between an expensive non-upgradeable All-in-One (using laptop parts) or an insanely expensive mega "Pro" line. Steve was fine prior to 2005, when Apple offered a reasonable selection (iMacs for the cheap end, low-end PowerMacs for mid-range, high-end PowerMacs for the "professionals"). Unfortunately, they decided to turn Apple from the fun, alternative computer to a high end fashion brand like Gucci. Why not make higher profits on fewer items sold to a smaller demographic? Great for Apple shareholders, bad for the average person. Their market share has barely grown, despite people being fed up with Windows and not being locked into Windows like they were in the 90's.
Anyway, this is still the work of Steve. The early 2000's Steve was great, but things have changed. I honestly can't wait for him to go now.