Makes me think of the SNL skit with Fred Armisen playing Steve Jobs stopping by as a guest on the news segment. Every few seconds he announced a new smaller and smaller device until he was finally holding up his empty fingers, pretending their was a tiny device there.
I was really excited about this new generation... Until my father bought one, and found out that there was NO fast forward OR rewind function (as in skipping seconds through songs)
This was confirmed by an apple store employee who said "Yes, this generation of the Ipod Shuffle does not have that feature." Since when did FF or REW become a FEATURE!?
Why can't we all accept that in a few weeks someone will release an adapater that provides the remote functions and a 3.5jack for non-Apple headphones?
As for the post, I wonder how much Apple is influencing/investing in battery design? They made a trade off in capacity for size for the shuffle, but capacity will always be something they'll want to increase. With $20 billion lying around, I'd hope they're engaging some battery manufacturers to improve their R&D.
I would have preferred to have the volume rocker on one edge and the back/play-pause/forward rocker on the other side. It is large enough to fit both.
This is what I am waiting for. I want my controls near the unit and not by my head. Also, the controller is just cheap plastic and with all the pressure on a single button will wear this thing out over time more quickly since there are no dedicated forward/reverse buttons. Of course, one advantage to using an adapter with your own headphones could be that you don't have to recycle your iPod shuffle when the onboard buttons stop working (and the warranty expires). My wife's first shuffle simple will not respond to commands anymore.
I wouldn't say that. That's the whole purpose of the wired remote that's always been available, and used to be included with the hard drive based iPods. iPhones and iPod Touches also have controls built into included earbuds.
Sort of. I remember the old remote. It came in addition to the headphones and you ended up with 3 miles of cable so that was kinda useless. But you are right about the optional iPhone headphones. Is the control in the same place as on the shuffle?
Anyway, I acknowledge all the doomsday scenarios, dire predictions and expressed sense of despair at the yet unseen and untested new shuffle but feel that perhaps the drama has been somewhat over played. Personally I just don't think it is a biggie and that on its own terms the new shuffle will prove to be very popular.
Sort of. I remember the old remote. It came in addition to the headphones and you ended up with 3 miles of cable so that was kinda useless. But you are right about the optional iPhone headphones. Is the control in the same place as on the shuffle?
Yes, and they're not optional...standard on iPhone and iPod Touch.
Yes, and they're not optional...standard on iPhone and iPod Touch.
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Not in Canada. I got a standard iPhone headset with Mic but no controls. On the Apple web site it is listed separately as iPhone headphones w/ remote
I think Paxman is correct, The iPhone page for both the US and Canada list the same info on the headphones and I see no reason why they would change the for the Canadian 3G iPhone when they had it for the original iPhone.
The buttons don't have the volume controls yet, but you can click the area where the mic is. once for play/pause, twice to go to the next track and three times to get back a track.
Every connection point with a wire is a stress point that increases the possibility of wear on the cord. Every time you wind up the earphones to put them away, even loosely, stresses those connections. Does anyone else see this design as more opportunity for split wire insulation or bad connections? On more than one occasion I've shut my glove compartment door or a drawer on my earphone wires when they unfolded in a way I didn't expect while putting them away. I see an opportunity for damaged controllers there too in this design.
I think Paxman is correct, The iPhone page for both the US and Canada list the same info on the headphones and I see no reason why they would change the for the Canadian 3G iPhone when they had it for the original iPhone.
The buttons don't have the volume controls yet, but you can click the area where the mic is. once for play/pause, twice to go to the next track and three times to get back a track.
OK, I see what you're saying now. Only some of the functions on the iPhone headset--not just the regular earbuds with a mic with no controls, but not as many functions as the latest Shuffle. Note that Paxman said "no controls."
I think Paxman is correct, The iPhone page for both the US and Canada list the same info on the headphones and I see no reason why they would change the for the Canadian 3G iPhone when they had it for the original iPhone.
The buttons don't have the volume controls yet, but you can click the area where the mic is. once for play/pause, twice to go to the next track and three times to get back a track.
You kid me not! I didn't even know my headset worked like this. Well, F1Turbo, I stand corrected (in part, at least) The headset / remote for the new Shuffle now seems more of a natural progression now.
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Every connection point with a wire is a stress point that increases the possibility of wear on the cord. Every time you wind up the earphones to put them away, even loosely, stresses those connections. Does anyone else see this design as more opportunity for split wire insulation or bad connections? On more than one occasion I've shut my glove compartment door or a drawer on my earphone wires when they unfolded in a way I didn't expect while putting them away. I see an opportunity for damaged controllers there too in this design.
Every connection point with a wire is a stress point that increases the possibility of wear on the cord. Every time you wind up the earphones to put them away, even loosely, stresses those connections. Does anyone else see this design as more opportunity for split wire insulation or bad connections? On more than one occasion I've shut my glove compartment door or a drawer on my earphone wires when they unfolded in a way I didn't expect while putting them away. I see an opportunity for damaged controllers there too in this design.
That certainly a valid argument and refreshing point of concern from the typical complaining for the sake of complaining, but my personal experience with my iPhone headphones has not produced any such faults despite the abuse they receive. I have had my iPhone's USB cable replaced due to tearing while constantly wrapped in my pocket. The headphones now use a more rubbery casing over previous models, though I am not sure if that is true with the Shuffle. This rubbery cadinv also helps prevent them from getting tangled when wrapped up.
OK, I see what you're saying now. Only some of the functions on the iPhone headset--not just the regular earbuds with a mic with no controls, but not as many functions as the latest Shuffle. Note that Paxman said "no controls."
The newest iPod Touch, which came out after the latest iPhone, has the volume controls on the cord, like the Shuffle, but does not have the ability to do the hold commands for FF and RW. Since this appears to require a HW chagne as my iPhone 3G can't use the volume contols of the new Apple in-ear phones. Though I'm sure that all
Will get the update with the next release. I hope VoiceOver comes to the other iPods, but it may be an issue for iTunes to make audio files of metadata for 10s of thousands of songs.
The newest iPod Touch, which came out after the latest iPhone, has the volume controls on the cord, like the Shuffle, but does not have the ability to do the hold commands for FF and RW. Since this appears to require a HW chagne as my iPhone 3G can't use the volume contols of the new Apple in-ear phones. Though I'm sure that all
Will get the update with the next release. I hope VoiceOver comes to the other iPods, but it may be an issue for iTunes to make audio files of metadata for 10s of thousands of songs.
Thanks for confirming...I thought that was the case but was unable to verify on the Apple site. My son has the latest Touch, but couldn't find his earbuds.
The terminology for the earbuds is getting a bit confusing to me now. If you look at the comparison page for the iPods, only the Shuffle says "earphone with remote (no mic)," while the iPhone and iPod Touch clearly have some remote capability.
Thanks for confirming...I thought that was the case but was unable to verify on the Apple site. My son has the latest Touch, but couldn't find his earbuds.
The terminology for the earbuds is getting a bit confusing to me now. If you look at the comparison page for the iPods, only the Shuffle says "earphone with remote (no mic)," while the iPhone and iPod Touch clearly have some remote capability.
It is confusing and made a mistake. The shuffle is the first iPod to come WITH controls on the headset. However, the new Apple earbud and in-ear phones with controls and mic (sold seperately) work with the new iPods. They will allow you use voice recorder apps on the Touch (not sure about the Nano) and let you use the volume up/down, play/pause, and track FF/RW controls. I use the in-ear phones with my iPhones but they don't control the volume.
Every connection point with a wire is a stress point that increases the possibility of wear on the cord. Every time you wind up the earphones to put them away, even loosely, stresses those connections. Does anyone else see this design as more opportunity for split wire insulation or bad connections? On more than one occasion I've shut my glove compartment door or a drawer on my earphone wires when they unfolded in a way I didn't expect while putting them away. I see an opportunity for damaged controllers there too in this design.
Exactly- this is looking more and more like either a crass move from Apple to generate revenue from headphones or designed by someone who's not very active.
Exercising alone- how many times have we stressed, then broken connections to the speaker drivers for this very same reason.
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Makes me think of the SNL skit with Fred Armisen playing Steve Jobs stopping by as a guest on the news segment. Every few seconds he announced a new smaller and smaller device until he was finally holding up his empty fingers, pretending their was a tiny device there.
Hahaha.
I still want one.
I was really excited about this new generation... Until my father bought one, and found out that there was NO fast forward OR rewind function (as in skipping seconds through songs)
This was confirmed by an apple store employee who said "Yes, this generation of the Ipod Shuffle does not have that feature." Since when did FF or REW become a FEATURE!?
Read the Manual:
double-click and hold = fast forward
triple-click and hold = rewind
Why can't we all accept that in a few weeks someone will release an adapater that provides the remote functions and a 3.5jack for non-Apple headphones?
As for the post, I wonder how much Apple is influencing/investing in battery design? They made a trade off in capacity for size for the shuffle, but capacity will always be something they'll want to increase. With $20 billion lying around, I'd hope they're engaging some battery manufacturers to improve their R&D.
I would have preferred to have the volume rocker on one edge and the back/play-pause/forward rocker on the other side. It is large enough to fit both.
This is what I am waiting for. I want my controls near the unit and not by my head. Also, the controller is just cheap plastic and with all the pressure on a single button will wear this thing out over time more quickly since there are no dedicated forward/reverse buttons. Of course, one advantage to using an adapter with your own headphones could be that you don't have to recycle your iPod shuffle when the onboard buttons stop working (and the warranty expires). My wife's first shuffle simple will not respond to commands anymore.
That seals the lid on the coffin.
My earbuds have a built-in volume control....and it is a shuffle.
I wouldn't say that. That's the whole purpose of the wired remote that's always been available, and used to be included with the hard drive based iPods. iPhones and iPod Touches also have controls built into included earbuds.
Sort of. I remember the old remote. It came in addition to the headphones and you ended up with 3 miles of cable so that was kinda useless. But you are right about the optional iPhone headphones. Is the control in the same place as on the shuffle?
Anyway, I acknowledge all the doomsday scenarios, dire predictions and expressed sense of despair at the yet unseen and untested new shuffle but feel that perhaps the drama has been somewhat over played. Personally I just don't think it is a biggie and that on its own terms the new shuffle will prove to be very popular.
Next up - the ipod 'flea' (remember that one?) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBwM2U77F2c
Sort of. I remember the old remote. It came in addition to the headphones and you ended up with 3 miles of cable so that was kinda useless. But you are right about the optional iPhone headphones. Is the control in the same place as on the shuffle?
Yes, and they're not optional...standard on iPhone and iPod Touch.
You missed the point of BeaverbookG4's comment. He wants the ability to skip forward or back a few seconds at a time, rather than one track at a time:
No, I didn't miss the point. You didn't comprehend my statement, or read the Apple Manual.
To go back to the beginning of the track or go back to the previous track if you're already at the beginning, you triple click.
To fast rewind, you triple-click and hold.
To skip to the next track, you double click.
To fast forward through the track, you double click and hold.
We're not talking about the same thing here. The new Shuffle does have fast forward and rewind.
Yes, and they're not optional...standard on iPhone and iPod Touch.
Not in Canada. I got a standard iPhone headset with Mic but no controls. On the Apple web site it is listed separately as iPhone headphones w/ remote
Not in Canada. I got a standard iPhone headset with Mic but no controls. On the Apple web site it is listed separately as iPhone headphones w/ remote
Really? On the 3g iPhone? They're standard in the US (at least when I bought mine in July 2008), with an optional IEM type for $79.
Same story with the Touch in Canada?
Yes, and they're not optional...standard on iPhone and iPod Touch.
Not in Canada. I got a standard iPhone headset with Mic but no controls. On the Apple web site it is listed separately as iPhone headphones w/ remote
I think Paxman is correct, The iPhone page for both the US and Canada list the same info on the headphones and I see no reason why they would change the for the Canadian 3G iPhone when they had it for the original iPhone.
The buttons don't have the volume controls yet, but you can click the area where the mic is. once for play/pause, twice to go to the next track and three times to get back a track.
I think Paxman is correct, The iPhone page for both the US and Canada list the same info on the headphones and I see no reason why they would change the for the Canadian 3G iPhone when they had it for the original iPhone.
The buttons don't have the volume controls yet, but you can click the area where the mic is. once for play/pause, twice to go to the next track and three times to get back a track.
OK, I see what you're saying now. Only some of the functions on the iPhone headset--not just the regular earbuds with a mic with no controls, but not as many functions as the latest Shuffle. Note that Paxman said "no controls."
I think Paxman is correct, The iPhone page for both the US and Canada list the same info on the headphones and I see no reason why they would change the for the Canadian 3G iPhone when they had it for the original iPhone.
The buttons don't have the volume controls yet, but you can click the area where the mic is. once for play/pause, twice to go to the next track and three times to get back a track.
You kid me not! I didn't even know my headset worked like this. Well, F1Turbo, I stand corrected (in part, at least) The headset / remote for the new Shuffle now seems more of a natural progression now.
Every connection point with a wire is a stress point that increases the possibility of wear on the cord. Every time you wind up the earphones to put them away, even loosely, stresses those connections. Does anyone else see this design as more opportunity for split wire insulation or bad connections? On more than one occasion I've shut my glove compartment door or a drawer on my earphone wires when they unfolded in a way I didn't expect while putting them away. I see an opportunity for damaged controllers there too in this design.
WOAH - now you are digging deep!
Every connection point with a wire is a stress point that increases the possibility of wear on the cord. Every time you wind up the earphones to put them away, even loosely, stresses those connections. Does anyone else see this design as more opportunity for split wire insulation or bad connections? On more than one occasion I've shut my glove compartment door or a drawer on my earphone wires when they unfolded in a way I didn't expect while putting them away. I see an opportunity for damaged controllers there too in this design.
That certainly a valid argument and refreshing point of concern from the typical complaining for the sake of complaining, but my personal experience with my iPhone headphones has not produced any such faults despite the abuse they receive. I have had my iPhone's USB cable replaced due to tearing while constantly wrapped in my pocket. The headphones now use a more rubbery casing over previous models, though I am not sure if that is true with the Shuffle. This rubbery cadinv also helps prevent them from getting tangled when wrapped up.
OK, I see what you're saying now. Only some of the functions on the iPhone headset--not just the regular earbuds with a mic with no controls, but not as many functions as the latest Shuffle. Note that Paxman said "no controls."
The newest iPod Touch, which came out after the latest iPhone, has the volume controls on the cord, like the Shuffle, but does not have the ability to do the hold commands for FF and RW. Since this appears to require a HW chagne as my iPhone 3G can't use the volume contols of the new Apple in-ear phones. Though I'm sure that all
Will get the update with the next release. I hope VoiceOver comes to the other iPods, but it may be an issue for iTunes to make audio files of metadata for 10s of thousands of songs.
The newest iPod Touch, which came out after the latest iPhone, has the volume controls on the cord, like the Shuffle, but does not have the ability to do the hold commands for FF and RW. Since this appears to require a HW chagne as my iPhone 3G can't use the volume contols of the new Apple in-ear phones. Though I'm sure that all
Will get the update with the next release. I hope VoiceOver comes to the other iPods, but it may be an issue for iTunes to make audio files of metadata for 10s of thousands of songs.
Thanks for confirming...I thought that was the case but was unable to verify on the Apple site. My son has the latest Touch, but couldn't find his earbuds.
The terminology for the earbuds is getting a bit confusing to me now. If you look at the comparison page for the iPods, only the Shuffle says "earphone with remote (no mic)," while the iPhone and iPod Touch clearly have some remote capability.
Thanks for confirming...I thought that was the case but was unable to verify on the Apple site. My son has the latest Touch, but couldn't find his earbuds.
The terminology for the earbuds is getting a bit confusing to me now. If you look at the comparison page for the iPods, only the Shuffle says "earphone with remote (no mic)," while the iPhone and iPod Touch clearly have some remote capability.
It is confusing and made a mistake. The shuffle is the first iPod to come WITH controls on the headset. However, the new Apple earbud and in-ear phones with controls and mic (sold seperately) work with the new iPods. They will allow you use voice recorder apps on the Touch (not sure about the Nano) and let you use the volume up/down, play/pause, and track FF/RW controls. I use the in-ear phones with my iPhones but they don't control the volume.
Every connection point with a wire is a stress point that increases the possibility of wear on the cord. Every time you wind up the earphones to put them away, even loosely, stresses those connections. Does anyone else see this design as more opportunity for split wire insulation or bad connections? On more than one occasion I've shut my glove compartment door or a drawer on my earphone wires when they unfolded in a way I didn't expect while putting them away. I see an opportunity for damaged controllers there too in this design.
Exactly- this is looking more and more like either a crass move from Apple to generate revenue from headphones or designed by someone who's not very active.
Exercising alone- how many times have we stressed, then broken connections to the speaker drivers for this very same reason.