I don't think you pay to receive an MMS, only to send one (at least I don't pay to receive SMS only to send them with my service provider here in Canada). Otherwise that would be direct conflict of interest. Your service provider (AT&T or who ever) could spam you from anonymous phone numbers to collect cash from you. If that is the case, you should start a class action lawsuit, because of obvious conflict of interests.
The phone carriers send you messages now, but they're all free of charge, or minutes. To think that they would send anonymous messages is overdoing it.
I'm so tired of the "Apple didn't put it in, so we don't NEED it" rationalizations. It's so very fanboi, and it gets blown up for the lunacy it is on days like today.
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Cool, I'll have the choice not to use MMS again just like on my last 3 phones.
Look what people's writing... "It's nice, cut 'n' paste, yet it isn't anyhow important.." Isn't it exactly what you're saying?
I'm saying that it IS important. Not at the top of my list, but all capabilities of the iPhone are important. I am saying that even if the gestures required are a bit clumsy and confusing at first, we will get used to them. Like we all got used to keyboards, mice, classical phone keypads, clutch/stickshifts, combination locks, etc... capability come with complexity.
The phone carriers send you messages now, but they're all free of charge, or minutes. To think that they would send anonymous messages is overdoing it.
Do you have Premium Text services over there?
Where enticing ads suck you in (and hope you don't read the fine print) to receiving a certain amount of MMS containing content per week, which can be hard to get out of and can be expensive when you get your bill.
This was an Apple presentation about the new OS 3.0 software. As I said, I'm willing to bet that most of those watching it ware iPhone/iTouch owners, or those who were thinking about becoming so.
You're kind of avoiding the elephant in the room... sure, most of the ppl who took the Ars poll were at least somewhat interested in the iPhone. But that does not in any way mean that they're representative of iPhone users as a whole, only of "ppl who are interested in the iPhone who go to Ars."
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The point was to pick the feature you wanted most. So 48% of people picked cut and paste as the feature they wanted most. 8% picked stereo headphones.
If you could pick more than one, in decreasing order, the poll would have been too complex for a quick poll. They would have needed an entire page of results.
Sure, but the point stands... if you can only pick ONE feature in a poll, you'll pick the feature you want most, not all the features you wanted (because the poll won't let you).
Thus, many more than 16% may have wanted MMS, it just wasn't their very top choice.
Unfortunately, we're not so lucky in the US. We can't shut it off, and we get charged 0.25 per message unless we 'opt-in' to a $5/mon addition to our plan. It's just extortion.
I just called AT&T Customer Service* to confirm that you can opt out or shut text messaging off.
In any case, gentlemen (and Mel j/k), it's been fun, but I have things to do.
Those of you who wanted the new stuff and are happy that Apple finally listened, I high-five you in the end-zone and do the funky chicken.
Those of you who want to grouse and cling to your old ideological positions in spite of what happened, ah well. But for once, it's nice to be able to have the shoe on the other foot, and say, with a grin, the oft-repeated AI line:
It depends on just how small a minority. We see that Apple WILL give in to minorities. But it has to make business sense for them. If it costs more to do than they can get back from it, then they won't support it. That's the way business is supposed to work.
So if 8% want something, and it doesn't cost them a bundle to do it, they likely will. But if 2% want it, and it does cost a bundle, they likely won't.
That doesn't change the fact that all the Apple defenders who kept dismissing these "minorities" now have to wipe the egg off their faces.
Apple should not allow third parties to create native iPhone applications. Nobody needs third party iPhone applications. Web apps are really really SWEET.
Apple should not support copy and paste on the iPhone. Nobody cares about copy and paste.
Apple should not support MMS on the iPhone. Nobody cares about MMS.
Apple should not support 3G on the iPhone. Nobody cares about 3G.
Apple should not put GPS in the iPhone. Nobody cares about GPS.
Apple will not make a video iPod. Nobody wants to watch video on an iPod.
Apple should not make their laptops easier to service in any way whatsoever. Nobody cares about accessibility. Making a laptop easier to service in any way whatsoever automatically makes it the size of a truck. Never mind the fact that the new unibody MacBook Pros are thinner, stronger and easier to service than the original MacBook Pros.
System 7 menus are better because you have to hold down the mouse button to keep menus open.
Who cares about automatic memory management? Just click Get Info and change the number yourself.
Who cares about preemptive multitasking or memory protection? Macs never crash.
I'm saying that it IS important. Not at the top of my list, but all capabilities of the iPhone are important. I am saying that even if the gestures required are a bit clumsy and confusing at first, we will get used to them. Like we all got used to keyboards, mice, classical phone keypads, clutch/stickshifts, combination locks, etc... capability come with complexity.
Ah. Then I'll tell you what I think of why people say that. They aren't gonna use it unless in the worst need. Period. It's way too confusing to be appreciated.
What else? Minus one pair of precious gestures for the future...
That doesn't change the fact that all the Apple defenders who kept dismissing these features now have to wipe the egg off their faces.
Why? It's still an idiotic system. The fact that Apple is implementing it says more about them failing to stand the line against poor technology than anything else. I'm disappointed in them, to be honest. When they didn't implement it, I showed people how to use email to get around that lack. Now that they have, I can only hope the whiners have one less thing to whine about.
Ah. Then I'll tell you what I think of why people say that. They aren't gonna use it unless in the worst need. Period. It's way too confusing to be appreciated.
What else? Minus one pair of precious gestures for the future...
So you gave up trying to drive because it was clumsy and confusing at first? Ok. If you prefer to walk the rest of your life, that's fine with me. I'll drive when I want to.
So you gave up trying to drive because it was clumsy and confusing at first? Ok. If you prefer to walk the rest of your life, that's fine with me. I'll drive when I want to.
Time will tell. I got some feeling you'll learn quickly that what you're gonna do with iPhone cut 'n' paste will not be called "driving". It'll rather be crippling yourself in that damned jalopy...
UPD: I'll surely give a try. To see how it actually works. As I wrote above, I might get it wrong somewhere...
Why? It's still an idiotic system. The fact that Apple is implementing it says more about them failing to stand the line against poor technology than anything else. I'm disappointed in them, to be honest. When they didn't implement it, I showed people how to use email to get around that lack. Now that they have, I can only hope the whiners have one less thing to whine about.
And now to go opt-out...
While I am still with you as far as a replacement system goes and you are welcome not to use it...
MMS/SMS are not poor technologies. They actually work very well. They do exactly what they claim. They are reliable. They are simple. They work cross-carrier. In certain cases, even cross-continents.
They are PAY technologies, which you are more than welcome to not be interested in. Still, pay doesn't equal poor. There are plenty of things worth paying for. If there were not, why would anyone bother getting a job to make money to pay for things with?
Where enticing ads suck you in (and hope you don't read the fine print) to receiving a certain amount of MMS containing content per week, which can be hard to get out of and can be expensive when you get your bill.
I never get ads of any kind, except for the small one in the programs themselves, such as for The NYTimes and other news services.
Perhaps there were early cavemen who didn't much care for that one guy who kept making up drawings that 'meant something' which they had to remember if they wanted to understand him.
Language isn't easy to learn, but it certainly IS worth making an effort!
your comparison is a bit exagerated.
And if I had to learn some gestures, i'd want them to be universal, not just for 1 phone.
You're kind of avoiding the elephant in the room... sure, most of the ppl who took the Ars poll were at least somewhat interested in the iPhone. But that does not in any way mean that they're representative of iPhone users as a whole, only of "ppl who are interested in the iPhone who go to Ars."
Considering that iPhone users are by far, the most active on the web than all other phone users put together, I can't agree with that.
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Sure, but the point stands... if you can only pick ONE feature in a poll, you'll pick the feature you want most, not all the features you wanted (because the poll won't let you).
Thus, many more than 16% may have wanted MMS, it just wasn't their very top choice.
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You're missing the point here. It was to pick your MOST wanted feature, as I've now said twice. Every person who clicked on that poll would have wanted the features in some order, so even if they did what you want, it could very well have come up with the same percentage.
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I don't think you pay to receive an MMS, only to send one (at least I don't pay to receive SMS only to send them with my service provider here in Canada). Otherwise that would be direct conflict of interest. Your service provider (AT&T or who ever) could spam you from anonymous phone numbers to collect cash from you. If that is the case, you should start a class action lawsuit, because of obvious conflict of interests.
The phone carriers send you messages now, but they're all free of charge, or minutes. To think that they would send anonymous messages is overdoing it.
Hahahahaha, so true, Haggar, so true.
I'm so tired of the "Apple didn't put it in, so we don't NEED it" rationalizations. It's so very fanboi, and it gets blown up for the lunacy it is on days like today.
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Cool, I'll have the choice not to use MMS again just like on my last 3 phones.
Look what people's writing... "It's nice, cut 'n' paste, yet it isn't anyhow important.." Isn't it exactly what you're saying?
I'm saying that it IS important. Not at the top of my list, but all capabilities of the iPhone are important. I am saying that even if the gestures required are a bit clumsy and confusing at first, we will get used to them. Like we all got used to keyboards, mice, classical phone keypads, clutch/stickshifts, combination locks, etc... capability come with complexity.
The phone carriers send you messages now, but they're all free of charge, or minutes. To think that they would send anonymous messages is overdoing it.
Do you have Premium Text services over there?
Where enticing ads suck you in (and hope you don't read the fine print) to receiving a certain amount of MMS containing content per week, which can be hard to get out of and can be expensive when you get your bill.
This was an Apple presentation about the new OS 3.0 software. As I said, I'm willing to bet that most of those watching it ware iPhone/iTouch owners, or those who were thinking about becoming so.
You're kind of avoiding the elephant in the room... sure, most of the ppl who took the Ars poll were at least somewhat interested in the iPhone. But that does not in any way mean that they're representative of iPhone users as a whole, only of "ppl who are interested in the iPhone who go to Ars."
The point was to pick the feature you wanted most. So 48% of people picked cut and paste as the feature they wanted most. 8% picked stereo headphones.
If you could pick more than one, in decreasing order, the poll would have been too complex for a quick poll. They would have needed an entire page of results.
Sure, but the point stands... if you can only pick ONE feature in a poll, you'll pick the feature you want most, not all the features you wanted (because the poll won't let you).
Thus, many more than 16% may have wanted MMS, it just wasn't their very top choice.
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damn apple finally listened.
+1.
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Unfortunately, we're not so lucky in the US. We can't shut it off, and we get charged 0.25 per message unless we 'opt-in' to a $5/mon addition to our plan. It's just extortion.
I just called AT&T Customer Service* to confirm that you can opt out or shut text messaging off.
*1-888-333-6651
I'm not happy about that either. I have five screens of apps. I was hoping for the folder metaphor we were speaking about.
If the Home screen(s) represents an icon view, then why can't Apple offer a scrollable list view, sorted alphabetically?
And maybe have a list of Favorites and/or Recently Used at the top?
Those of you who wanted the new stuff and are happy that Apple finally listened, I high-five you in the end-zone and do the funky chicken.
Those of you who want to grouse and cling to your old ideological positions in spite of what happened, ah well. But for once, it's nice to be able to have the shoe on the other foot, and say, with a grin, the oft-repeated AI line:
"I'm sure Apple knows what it's doing."
Take care.
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It depends on just how small a minority. We see that Apple WILL give in to minorities. But it has to make business sense for them. If it costs more to do than they can get back from it, then they won't support it. That's the way business is supposed to work.
So if 8% want something, and it doesn't cost them a bundle to do it, they likely will. But if 2% want it, and it does cost a bundle, they likely won't.
That doesn't change the fact that all the Apple defenders who kept dismissing these "minorities" now have to wipe the egg off their faces.
Apple should not allow third parties to create native iPhone applications. Nobody needs third party iPhone applications. Web apps are really really SWEET.
Apple should not support copy and paste on the iPhone. Nobody cares about copy and paste.
Apple should not support MMS on the iPhone. Nobody cares about MMS.
Apple should not support 3G on the iPhone. Nobody cares about 3G.
Apple should not put GPS in the iPhone. Nobody cares about GPS.
Apple will not make a video iPod. Nobody wants to watch video on an iPod.
Apple should not make their laptops easier to service in any way whatsoever. Nobody cares about accessibility. Making a laptop easier to service in any way whatsoever automatically makes it the size of a truck. Never mind the fact that the new unibody MacBook Pros are thinner, stronger and easier to service than the original MacBook Pros.
System 7 menus are better because you have to hold down the mouse button to keep menus open.
Who cares about automatic memory management? Just click Get Info and change the number yourself.
Who cares about preemptive multitasking or memory protection? Macs never crash.
Apple will never make a multibutton mouse.
Apple will never switch to Intel processors.
I just called AT&T Customer Service* to confirm that you can opt out or shut text messaging off.
*1-888-333-6651
Abster, I want to have your manbabies. When did they change this??
I'm saying that it IS important. Not at the top of my list, but all capabilities of the iPhone are important. I am saying that even if the gestures required are a bit clumsy and confusing at first, we will get used to them. Like we all got used to keyboards, mice, classical phone keypads, clutch/stickshifts, combination locks, etc... capability come with complexity.
Ah. Then I'll tell you what I think of why people say that. They aren't gonna use it unless in the worst need. Period. It's way too confusing to be appreciated.
What else? Minus one pair of precious gestures for the future...
That doesn't change the fact that all the Apple defenders who kept dismissing these features now have to wipe the egg off their faces.
Why? It's still an idiotic system. The fact that Apple is implementing it says more about them failing to stand the line against poor technology than anything else. I'm disappointed in them, to be honest. When they didn't implement it, I showed people how to use email to get around that lack. Now that they have, I can only hope the whiners have one less thing to whine about.
And now to go opt-out...
Ah. Then I'll tell you what I think of why people say that. They aren't gonna use it unless in the worst need. Period. It's way too confusing to be appreciated.
What else? Minus one pair of precious gestures for the future...
So you gave up trying to drive because it was clumsy and confusing at first? Ok. If you prefer to walk the rest of your life, that's fine with me. I'll drive when I want to.
So you gave up trying to drive because it was clumsy and confusing at first? Ok. If you prefer to walk the rest of your life, that's fine with me. I'll drive when I want to.
Time will tell.
UPD: I'll surely give a try. To see how it actually works. As I wrote above, I might get it wrong somewhere...
Why? It's still an idiotic system. The fact that Apple is implementing it says more about them failing to stand the line against poor technology than anything else. I'm disappointed in them, to be honest. When they didn't implement it, I showed people how to use email to get around that lack. Now that they have, I can only hope the whiners have one less thing to whine about.
And now to go opt-out...
While I am still with you as far as a replacement system goes and you are welcome not to use it...
MMS/SMS are not poor technologies. They actually work very well. They do exactly what they claim. They are reliable. They are simple. They work cross-carrier. In certain cases, even cross-continents.
They are PAY technologies, which you are more than welcome to not be interested in. Still, pay doesn't equal poor. There are plenty of things worth paying for. If there were not, why would anyone bother getting a job to make money to pay for things with?
Do you have Premium Text services over there?
Where enticing ads suck you in (and hope you don't read the fine print) to receiving a certain amount of MMS containing content per week, which can be hard to get out of and can be expensive when you get your bill.
I never get ads of any kind, except for the small one in the programs themselves, such as for The NYTimes and other news services.
No ads from AT&T.
Perhaps there were early cavemen who didn't much care for that one guy who kept making up drawings that 'meant something' which they had to remember if they wanted to understand him.
Language isn't easy to learn, but it certainly IS worth making an effort!
your comparison is a bit exagerated.
And if I had to learn some gestures, i'd want them to be universal, not just for 1 phone.
You're kind of avoiding the elephant in the room... sure, most of the ppl who took the Ars poll were at least somewhat interested in the iPhone. But that does not in any way mean that they're representative of iPhone users as a whole, only of "ppl who are interested in the iPhone who go to Ars."
Considering that iPhone users are by far, the most active on the web than all other phone users put together, I can't agree with that.
Sure, but the point stands... if you can only pick ONE feature in a poll, you'll pick the feature you want most, not all the features you wanted (because the poll won't let you).
Thus, many more than 16% may have wanted MMS, it just wasn't their very top choice.
.
You're missing the point here. It was to pick your MOST wanted feature, as I've now said twice. Every person who clicked on that poll would have wanted the features in some order, so even if they did what you want, it could very well have come up with the same percentage.