They did not implement cut and paste before because of security?. What about security on the desktop?. I can cut and paste from almost any app into any other app. Apple trusted me on my desktop but they cannot trust me on my mobile platform?. Hahahahahahaha. Good one Apple. Yeah, I believe Steve Jobs lost a bet somewhere.. I wonder when he's gonna lost the flash bet.. most important.. wonder who won the cut and paste bet and how much they won?. Who would dare make a bet with the chief that leaving out cut and paste would seem so silly that years after the iphone is introduced, people would still be talking about it. Wow, i guess every other phone out there is 1. Either insecure cause they had cut and paste and by apple definition, that is insecure or 2. Implemented cut and past in a secure fashion, thereby proving that they are all smarter than people working on apple. Here's what i think should happen.. Reporters stop asking Apple embarrassing questions like "how come this obvious feature was left out" and apple stop insulting our intelligence.
No... It's not that Apple doesn't trust YOU, it doesn't trust (and rightly so) other applications that may have access to the clipboard.
The way Apple has chosen to implement this is better for you, the user, and worse for Mallory, the malicious app developer. Clearly you've never worked in any industry remotely connected with security in some manner.
Also, I'm sure he didn't make a bet about flash.. he chose to make a statement (and a correct one in the eyes of most web developers, and consumers) that the useful lifespan of flash is near an end. The rationale for such a statement are clear if you've got a clue.
They did not implement cut and paste before because of security?. What about security on the desktop?. I can cut and paste from almost any app into any other app. Apple trusted me on my desktop but they cannot trust me on my mobile platform?. Hahahahahahaha. Good one Apple. Yeah, I believe Steve Jobs lost a bet somewhere.. I wonder when he's gonna lost the flash bet.. most important.. wonder who won the cut and paste bet and how much they won?. Who would dare make a bet with the chief that leaving out cut and paste would seem so silly that years after the iphone is introduced, people would still be talking about it. Wow, i guess every other phone out there is 1. Either insecure cause they had cut and paste and by apple definition, that is insecure or 2. Implemented cut and past in a secure fashion, thereby proving that they are all smarter than people working on apple. Here's what i think should happen.. Reporters stop asking Apple embarrassing questions like "how come this obvious feature was left out" and apple stop insulting our intelligence.
You're really full of it. Most GSM phones allow you to tether independent of the network. Nokia, for instance has been doing this for many years. You're really just speaking a load of crap.
If you had understood anything about GSM at all, you'd realise that phones and networks are completely independent. I can buy any phone with any features and use it on any compatible network. What carriers state in their T&Cs has no bearing on the technical reality.
They did not implement cut and paste before because of security?. What about security on the desktop?. I can cut and paste from almost any app into any other app. Apple trusted me on my desktop but they cannot trust me on my mobile platform?. Hahahahahahaha. Good one Apple. Yeah, I believe Steve Jobs lost a bet somewhere.. I wonder when he's gonna lost the flash bet.. most important.. wonder who won the cut and paste bet and how much they won?. Who would dare make a bet with the chief that leaving out cut and paste would seem so silly that years after the iphone is introduced, people would still be talking about it. Wow, i guess every other phone out there is 1. Either insecure cause they had cut and paste and by apple definition, that is insecure or 2. Implemented cut and past in a secure fashion, thereby proving that they are all smarter than people working on apple. Here's what i think should happen.. Reporters stop asking Apple embarrassing questions like "how come this obvious feature was left out" and apple stop insulting our intelligence.
ummm...maybe because security is a real concern with CnP. There have been numerous holes in Windows implementation of CnP. The last one I remember was one where any website could read whatever you currently had in your clipboard without you actually pasting it. So, yes, some other phones out there, may just have security holes in their CnP implementation. Your snarky, yet woefully uninformed comments just come off as childish whining.
CnP involves memory that all apps will have access to. Any decent development team had better pay detailed attention to security concerns with system wide accessible memory.
No... It's not that Apple doesn't trust YOU, it doesn't trust (and rightly so) other applications that may have access to the clipboard.
The way Apple has chosen to implement this is better for you, the user, and worse for Mallory, the malicious app developer. Clearly you've never worked in any industry remotely connected with security in some manner.
Also, I'm sure he didn't make a bet about flash.. he chose to make a statement (and a correct one in the eyes of most web developers, and consumers) that the useful lifespan of flash is near an end. The rationale for such a statement are clear if you've got a clue.
The security issue is bull. You don't reveal what's in the clipboard unless the user explicitly pastes into your application. What's the issue? And what's really so important in the clipboard? The nuclear launch codes? Apple are just trying to cover up the fact that they have taken forever to implement basic functionality. I suppose the lack of Bluetooth support is also a security issue. And MMS was delayed due to a security issue. What a joke.
As for Flash, it's pretty bad, but suggesting it's at the end of it's useful life is just idiotic. It's widely used, for better or for worse. There are many interactive features that require it and have no practical substitute (and no, JavaScript is not a substitute). By that logic Windows, the C language and pretty much 90% of code used today is nearing the end of its useful life.
The point is that the iPhone is not exactly overpowered, it has a very tight power budget and it gets away with displaying video efficiently by using hardware decoding, in specific, standard encodings. Flash video is not one of them. Flash is very inefficient in any number of ways and the way people use it is very inefficient. The bottom line is it will run down the battery or be unusuably slow on the iPhone. Apple are very touchy about their battery specs.
Anybody that thinks that these services are free are truly ignorant.
And, no phone manufacturer can just unilaterally offer a cell phone that is capable of tethering without the agreement from the carrier. I suspect that one of Apple's mandates refers back to their negotiations with all the carriers to get their original data plan costs down, and one of their objectives is to do likewise for the messaging services.
I would suspect that Apple knows a hell of a lot more than you do. And every comment you make suggests that it wouldn't be difficult to do so.
From AT&T.
PDA/BLACKBERRY PLANS WITH TETHERING
PDA/BlackBerry plans with Tethering may ONLY be used with AT&T-certified RIM BlackBerry devices and PDAs for the following purposes: (i) Internet browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) intranet access (including access to corporate intranets, email, and individual productivity applications like customer relationship management, sales force, and field service automation). PDA/BlackBerry plans with Tethering may be used to tether such PDA and BlackBerry devices to a Personal Computer. If you are on a data plan that does not include a monthly megabyte allowance and additional data usage rates, the parties agree that AT&T has the right to impose additional charges if you use more than 5 GB in a month. Prior to the imposition of any additional charges, AT&T shall provide you with notice and you shall have the right to terminate your service.
Full of what? How can I be full of something when I've actually done it... That's like telling Neil Armstrong that he is full of it after he says he has been in space.
The funny thing is I didn't even claim they shouldn't be charging for tethering...I laughed at the fact that they need to add 'support' for it when it obviously already works. As far as MMS... considering the amount of money I am paying for this Iphone plan is well beyond what I was paying with my cheaper phone (that had more abilities) I wouldn't say I am getting anything for free here.
MMS was unlimited per my 'unlimited messenging plan' which I paid extra for in the past... since I got the 'unlimited messenging plan' with my Iphone as well I would assume I was covered..of course I will be upset if I have to pay even more... I am paying more right now for messenging and it's beyond 'basic' compared to my old plan. What is the Iphone offering me that makes MMS or even plain messenging 'better'?
You see all of this as 'something for nothing' when in reality my bill has increased (almost doubled) and my benefits are having a touchscreen phone that can't do half of what a cheap flip phone is capable of. You're right I shouldn't feel insulted or ripped off at all.
Also did you read that quote you posted?? It pertains to PDA/Blackberry plans... (aka business plans where they want to rape the company/employee for extra money that a normal consumer would never cough up). Google Samsung Sync Tethering and you will find it to be a fact, very easy to do and works with 3G. Unless you burn through GBs of data your chances of even getting charged are nil.
Also (as stated) I had MMS support on both Edge and 3G networks with my AT&T plan and I didn't pay anything extra.
This is simple really... I HAVE done these things as many others have done and the Iphone plans are starting to get out of hand... it's already close to 100.00 a month for the features we have now... phones that are more capable are coming out and the other carriers plans are looking pretty good (considering some even offer unlimited everything plans for much less than my limited Iphone plan).
You enjoy pissing your money away... I sure don't. Maybe that's why I've never been a fan of riding the apple train in the past? Of course I think AT&T is really screwing the pooch on this as well. Our contacts were only for 2 years guys (AT&T/Apple) I think it's a bit early to be biting the hand that feeds.
It is really a bit of both. The phone manufacturers absolutely can enable tethering without any input form the carriers. period. However, the phone companies all want to have their phones sold through the carriers. This gives the carriers clout, where if they do not want to allow tethering, they could demand the manufacturers remove the feature.
What is it with you guys? Was the Iphone the first phone you have owned? Are we 18 at least??
? SGH-A707
? BlackJack
? Samsung I760
? Samsung T709/T809
? Nokia N800
? Nokia S60
? Nokia 5310
? Treo 700P
? Treo 700W
? Treo 750/680 (??)
? BB Pearl
? BB 7290
? BB 7105t
? BB 8700g
I don't have time to search all day...quick google searches turn up tons of results.. I am lost as to why anyone is blind to all of this? It's not a new technology and blackberry didn't come up with it.
Additional charges for MMS, MMS only works on 3G network, networks need to add support for tethering? WTF is this guy talking about... I have a 2 year old phone that could do all of this on 3G or EDGE and it's an AT&T phone (A707)...
I see a couple of wanted updates but I am not paying more money to use MMS on my Iphone when I used it almost daily on my old phone on the same network and wtf am I supposed to do when I can't get 3G signal because I'm 10ft out of range of their sparse 3G network?
Big Fail.
It is just business speak for allowing the carriers time to develop a plan to monetize the feature. There is nothing technically preventing the feature from working on these networks. It is simply that when Apple adds support for tethering in the OS, some of the carriers will whine that they are somehow losing money.
This of course is BS. Data is data. Sure a laptop can utilize more data than the iPhone can in a shorter period of time. This is irrelevant. You have paid to use the data. Anyone who argues that the carriers should charge more has simply swallowed their kool-aid. For instance, I pay for a 6GB data plan. I don't come close to using this. Generally, I have used between .2 and 2 gigs in any given month. Should my carrier refund me for the unused portion? If I tether and use more, but still stay within my 6GB limit, why should the carrier be able to say who I can use my data?
Speaking of tethering, has anyone with the beta checked if it is in there yet? If so, how well does it work, how easy it is to configure and how quickly does it drain the battery?
What is it with you guys? Was the Iphone the first phone you have owned? Are we 18 at least??
? SGH-A707
....
? BB 8700g
I don't have time to search all day...quick google searches turn up tons of results.. I am lost as to why anyone is blind to all of this? It's not a new technology and blackberry didn't come up with it.
Bravo for providing a big list.
Sadly no context.
Are these all phones I can get with a carrier subsidy with tethering turned on? Or would I need to buy them full manufacturer price and then attach them to a carrier?
What carrier could I then use them on? What restrictions would I have?
Finally, what are the usage terms for this feature in the US among the major networks? Does ATT Spring and Verizon allow tethering for free, or are people doing this ninja style?
Answering those questions would be useful.
A list of phones that supposedly allow you to tether without context is not.
BTW it's possible if not likely that in some countries outside the US that carriers are more liberal with tethering plans, but sadly it won't benefit me as I do not live in those countries. No disrespect to said countries.
Are these all phones I can get with a carrier subsidy with tethering turned on? Or would I need to buy them full manufacturer price and then attach them to a carrier?
What carrier could I then use them on? What restrictions would I have?
Finally, what are the usage terms for this feature in the US among the major networks? Does ATT Spring and Verizon allow tethering for free, or are people doing this ninja style?
Answering those questions would be useful.
A list of phones that supposedly allow you to tether without context is not.
BTW it's possible if not likely that in some countries outside the US that carriers are more liberal with tethering plans, but sadly it won't benefit me as I do not live in those countries. No disrespect to said countries.
I can't speak for all of the phones on the list (they were all ones listed with tethering ability) but the SGH-A707 was purchased directly from AT&T and came with the support fully functional.. all that was required was a download of 'samsung tools' and the USB data cable. As I said...I never said I expected tethering to be free, they could charge for it and there would be no complaint on my end. The issue I had was that several phones already support it and it works so what 'needs' to be put in place to make it work with the Iphone that doesn't already exist?
If I told you that you needed 100 Octane Unleaded fuel in order for your car to exceed 65mph what would you tell me? Would you be confused? Would you look at all of the other cars that can exceed 65mph and wonder why your car is so 'special' that it needs to be different?
I would... that's all I am doing here... only difference is Apple is saying something special is needed for the Iphone to do tethering and when I look around I see other phones already doing tethering and wonder why? What makes the Iphone so 'special'?
Speaking of tethering, has anyone with the beta checked if it is in there yet? If so, how well does it work, how easy it is to configure and how quickly does it drain the battery?
depending on 'how' the tethering is initiated it shouldn't have much of an impact on the battery... on the phones I've mentioned it's been done with the data (USB) cable plugged in so the phone has power from the device you're tethering with. If done via bluetooth or wireless (which I don't know if that is even an option) then you would have battery life to worry about.
Any word in this mess of news on using the Iphone as a storage device? I would love to use the thing like the Ipod and store files on it in a flash drive like fashion.
I can't speak for all of the phones on the list (they were all ones listed with tethering ability) but the SGH-A707 was purchased directly from AT&T and came with the support fully functional.. ...What makes the Iphone so 'special'?
I was aware that plenty of phones allowed this feature, otherwise why would there be any discussion of the feature missing from the iPhone. I was not aware that such phones were sold directly from US carriers with the feature already enabled.
Is this something ATT has no problems with? You are allowed to hook the data from your phone to your laptop on ATT network with no extra fees, no strings attached, no limitations?
By the way it's possible to do the same thing on the iPhone, you just need to jailbreak in order to do so. So there's no technical reason why the iPhone can't do it, there's some other reason why this feature is not enabled, but I'm not aware what that reason is if ATT allows this feature on other phones without restrictions.
Any word in this mess of news on using the Iphone as a storage device? I would love to use the thing like the Ipod and store files on it in a flash drive like fashion.
This might not answer your question but there are programs on the App store that allow you to transfer and use files on your iPhone from a computer in a local WIFI LAN. If it's a supported file type you can view it right on your iPhone.
I was aware that plenty of phones allowed this feature, otherwise why would there be any discussion of the feature missing from the iPhone. I was not aware that such phones were sold directly from US carriers with the feature already enabled.
Is this something ATT has no problems with? You are allowed to hook the data from your phone to your laptop on ATT network with no extra fees, no strings attached, no limitations?
By the way it's possible to do the same thing on the iPhone, you just need to jailbreak in order to do so. So there's no technical reason why the iPhone can't do it, there's some other reason why this feature is not enabled, but I'm not aware what that reason is if ATT allows this feature on other phones without restrictions.
I don't spend much time reading EULAs in depth for services I have at home (though at work I find myself reading them for hours regarding software) I have not seen anything that barred me from using the tethering.. .I did use it for over 2 years when would lose our connection at work and I needed to get online to work with a customer (was doing tech support at the time). I would just tether the phone and run terminal services sessions, download small files, putty sessions, etc, etc... never saw anything pop up on the bill but didn't eat through a ton of bandwidth either. There could be some verbage in the EULA that stated I was in the wrong here but it never came up. (if anyone knows for sure please speak up).
I have seen the Jailbreak list of features (and there is a ton) which once again makes me wonder about the comment I poked fun at. I suppose that it's possible this has all been a hush hush issue until they started adding millions of devices to the network.
This might not answer your question but there are programs on the App store that allow you to transfer and use files on your iPhone from a computer in a local WIFI LAN. If it's a supported file type you can view it right on your iPhone.
I have used a couple of them.. there is just a great convenience to me when I don't have to download any software or run anything on the phone. Just plug and play.
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They did not implement cut and paste before because of security?. What about security on the desktop?. I can cut and paste from almost any app into any other app. Apple trusted me on my desktop but they cannot trust me on my mobile platform?. Hahahahahahaha. Good one Apple. Yeah, I believe Steve Jobs lost a bet somewhere.. I wonder when he's gonna lost the flash bet.. most important.. wonder who won the cut and paste bet and how much they won?. Who would dare make a bet with the chief that leaving out cut and paste would seem so silly that years after the iphone is introduced, people would still be talking about it. Wow, i guess every other phone out there is 1. Either insecure cause they had cut and paste and by apple definition, that is insecure or 2. Implemented cut and past in a secure fashion, thereby proving that they are all smarter than people working on apple. Here's what i think should happen.. Reporters stop asking Apple embarrassing questions like "how come this obvious feature was left out" and apple stop insulting our intelligence.
No... It's not that Apple doesn't trust YOU, it doesn't trust (and rightly so) other applications that may have access to the clipboard.
The way Apple has chosen to implement this is better for you, the user, and worse for Mallory, the malicious app developer. Clearly you've never worked in any industry remotely connected with security in some manner.
Also, I'm sure he didn't make a bet about flash.. he chose to make a statement (and a correct one in the eyes of most web developers, and consumers) that the useful lifespan of flash is near an end. The rationale for such a statement are clear if you've got a clue.
And, no phone manufacturer can just unilaterally offer a cell phone that is capable of tethering without the agreement from the carrier.
They can and they do.
They did not implement cut and paste before because of security?. What about security on the desktop?. I can cut and paste from almost any app into any other app. Apple trusted me on my desktop but they cannot trust me on my mobile platform?. Hahahahahahaha. Good one Apple. Yeah, I believe Steve Jobs lost a bet somewhere.. I wonder when he's gonna lost the flash bet.. most important.. wonder who won the cut and paste bet and how much they won?. Who would dare make a bet with the chief that leaving out cut and paste would seem so silly that years after the iphone is introduced, people would still be talking about it. Wow, i guess every other phone out there is 1. Either insecure cause they had cut and paste and by apple definition, that is insecure or 2. Implemented cut and past in a secure fashion, thereby proving that they are all smarter than people working on apple. Here's what i think should happen.. Reporters stop asking Apple embarrassing questions like "how come this obvious feature was left out" and apple stop insulting our intelligence.
What intelligence? Best you leave me out.
They can and they do.
No they don't.
No they don't.
You're really full of it. Most GSM phones allow you to tether independent of the network. Nokia, for instance has been doing this for many years. You're really just speaking a load of crap.
If you had understood anything about GSM at all, you'd realise that phones and networks are completely independent. I can buy any phone with any features and use it on any compatible network. What carriers state in their T&Cs has no bearing on the technical reality.
They can and they do.
Erm.. Evidence?
They did not implement cut and paste before because of security?. What about security on the desktop?. I can cut and paste from almost any app into any other app. Apple trusted me on my desktop but they cannot trust me on my mobile platform?. Hahahahahahaha. Good one Apple. Yeah, I believe Steve Jobs lost a bet somewhere.. I wonder when he's gonna lost the flash bet.. most important.. wonder who won the cut and paste bet and how much they won?. Who would dare make a bet with the chief that leaving out cut and paste would seem so silly that years after the iphone is introduced, people would still be talking about it. Wow, i guess every other phone out there is 1. Either insecure cause they had cut and paste and by apple definition, that is insecure or 2. Implemented cut and past in a secure fashion, thereby proving that they are all smarter than people working on apple. Here's what i think should happen.. Reporters stop asking Apple embarrassing questions like "how come this obvious feature was left out" and apple stop insulting our intelligence.
ummm...maybe because security is a real concern with CnP. There have been numerous holes in Windows implementation of CnP. The last one I remember was one where any website could read whatever you currently had in your clipboard without you actually pasting it. So, yes, some other phones out there, may just have security holes in their CnP implementation. Your snarky, yet woefully uninformed comments just come off as childish whining.
CnP involves memory that all apps will have access to. Any decent development team had better pay detailed attention to security concerns with system wide accessible memory.
No... It's not that Apple doesn't trust YOU, it doesn't trust (and rightly so) other applications that may have access to the clipboard.
The way Apple has chosen to implement this is better for you, the user, and worse for Mallory, the malicious app developer. Clearly you've never worked in any industry remotely connected with security in some manner.
Also, I'm sure he didn't make a bet about flash.. he chose to make a statement (and a correct one in the eyes of most web developers, and consumers) that the useful lifespan of flash is near an end. The rationale for such a statement are clear if you've got a clue.
The security issue is bull. You don't reveal what's in the clipboard unless the user explicitly pastes into your application. What's the issue? And what's really so important in the clipboard? The nuclear launch codes? Apple are just trying to cover up the fact that they have taken forever to implement basic functionality. I suppose the lack of Bluetooth support is also a security issue. And MMS was delayed due to a security issue. What a joke.
As for Flash, it's pretty bad, but suggesting it's at the end of it's useful life is just idiotic. It's widely used, for better or for worse. There are many interactive features that require it and have no practical substitute (and no, JavaScript is not a substitute). By that logic Windows, the C language and pretty much 90% of code used today is nearing the end of its useful life.
The point is that the iPhone is not exactly overpowered, it has a very tight power budget and it gets away with displaying video efficiently by using hardware decoding, in specific, standard encodings. Flash video is not one of them. Flash is very inefficient in any number of ways and the way people use it is very inefficient. The bottom line is it will run down the battery or be unusuably slow on the iPhone. Apple are very touchy about their battery specs.
I think that you are full of it.
Anybody that thinks that these services are free are truly ignorant.
And, no phone manufacturer can just unilaterally offer a cell phone that is capable of tethering without the agreement from the carrier. I suspect that one of Apple's mandates refers back to their negotiations with all the carriers to get their original data plan costs down, and one of their objectives is to do likewise for the messaging services.
I would suspect that Apple knows a hell of a lot more than you do. And every comment you make suggests that it wouldn't be difficult to do so.
From AT&T.
PDA/BLACKBERRY PLANS WITH TETHERING
PDA/BlackBerry plans with Tethering may ONLY be used with AT&T-certified RIM BlackBerry devices and PDAs for the following purposes: (i) Internet browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) intranet access (including access to corporate intranets, email, and individual productivity applications like customer relationship management, sales force, and field service automation). PDA/BlackBerry plans with Tethering may be used to tether such PDA and BlackBerry devices to a Personal Computer. If you are on a data plan that does not include a monthly megabyte allowance and additional data usage rates, the parties agree that AT&T has the right to impose additional charges if you use more than 5 GB in a month. Prior to the imposition of any additional charges, AT&T shall provide you with notice and you shall have the right to terminate your service.
Full of what? How can I be full of something when I've actually done it...
The funny thing is I didn't even claim they shouldn't be charging for tethering...I laughed at the fact that they need to add 'support' for it when it obviously already works. As far as MMS... considering the amount of money I am paying for this Iphone plan is well beyond what I was paying with my cheaper phone (that had more abilities) I wouldn't say I am getting anything for free here.
MMS was unlimited per my 'unlimited messenging plan' which I paid extra for in the past... since I got the 'unlimited messenging plan' with my Iphone as well I would assume I was covered..of course I will be upset if I have to pay even more... I am paying more right now for messenging and it's beyond 'basic' compared to my old plan. What is the Iphone offering me that makes MMS or even plain messenging 'better'?
You see all of this as 'something for nothing' when in reality my bill has increased (almost doubled) and my benefits are having a touchscreen phone that can't do half of what a cheap flip phone is capable of. You're right I shouldn't feel insulted or ripped off at all.
Also did you read that quote you posted?? It pertains to PDA/Blackberry plans... (aka business plans where they want to rape the company/employee for extra money that a normal consumer would never cough up). Google Samsung Sync Tethering and you will find it to be a fact, very easy to do and works with 3G. Unless you burn through GBs of data your chances of even getting charged are nil.
Also (as stated) I had MMS support on both Edge and 3G networks with my AT&T plan and I didn't pay anything extra.
This is simple really... I HAVE done these things as many others have done and the Iphone plans are starting to get out of hand... it's already close to 100.00 a month for the features we have now... phones that are more capable are coming out and the other carriers plans are looking pretty good (considering some even offer unlimited everything plans for much less than my limited Iphone plan).
You enjoy pissing your money away... I sure don't. Maybe that's why I've never been a fan of riding the apple train in the past? Of course I think AT&T is really screwing the pooch on this as well. Our contacts were only for 2 years guys (AT&T/Apple) I think it's a bit early to be biting the hand that feeds.
They can and they do.
It is really a bit of both. The phone manufacturers absolutely can enable tethering without any input form the carriers. period. However, the phone companies all want to have their phones sold through the carriers. This gives the carriers clout, where if they do not want to allow tethering, they could demand the manufacturers remove the feature.
Erm.. Evidence?
What is it with you guys? Was the Iphone the first phone you have owned? Are we 18 at least??
? SGH-A707
? BlackJack
? Samsung I760
? Samsung T709/T809
? Nokia N800
? Nokia S60
? Nokia 5310
? Treo 700P
? Treo 700W
? Treo 750/680 (??)
? BB Pearl
? BB 7290
? BB 7105t
? BB 8700g
I don't have time to search all day...quick google searches turn up tons of results.. I am lost as to why anyone is blind to all of this? It's not a new technology and blackberry didn't come up with it.
Additional charges for MMS, MMS only works on 3G network, networks need to add support for tethering? WTF is this guy talking about... I have a 2 year old phone that could do all of this on 3G or EDGE and it's an AT&T phone (A707)...
I see a couple of wanted updates but I am not paying more money to use MMS on my Iphone when I used it almost daily on my old phone on the same network and wtf am I supposed to do when I can't get 3G signal because I'm 10ft out of range of their sparse 3G network?
Big Fail.
It is just business speak for allowing the carriers time to develop a plan to monetize the feature. There is nothing technically preventing the feature from working on these networks. It is simply that when Apple adds support for tethering in the OS, some of the carriers will whine that they are somehow losing money.
This of course is BS. Data is data. Sure a laptop can utilize more data than the iPhone can in a shorter period of time. This is irrelevant. You have paid to use the data. Anyone who argues that the carriers should charge more has simply swallowed their kool-aid. For instance, I pay for a 6GB data plan. I don't come close to using this. Generally, I have used between .2 and 2 gigs in any given month. Should my carrier refund me for the unused portion? If I tether and use more, but still stay within my 6GB limit, why should the carrier be able to say who I can use my data?
What is it with you guys? Was the Iphone the first phone you have owned? Are we 18 at least??
? SGH-A707
....
? BB 8700g
I don't have time to search all day...quick google searches turn up tons of results.. I am lost as to why anyone is blind to all of this? It's not a new technology and blackberry didn't come up with it.
Bravo for providing a big list.
Sadly no context.
Are these all phones I can get with a carrier subsidy with tethering turned on? Or would I need to buy them full manufacturer price and then attach them to a carrier?
What carrier could I then use them on? What restrictions would I have?
Finally, what are the usage terms for this feature in the US among the major networks? Does ATT Spring and Verizon allow tethering for free, or are people doing this ninja style?
Answering those questions would be useful.
A list of phones that supposedly allow you to tether without context is not.
BTW it's possible if not likely that in some countries outside the US that carriers are more liberal with tethering plans, but sadly it won't benefit me as I do not live in those countries. No disrespect to said countries.
Bravo for providing a big list.
Sadly no context.
Are these all phones I can get with a carrier subsidy with tethering turned on? Or would I need to buy them full manufacturer price and then attach them to a carrier?
What carrier could I then use them on? What restrictions would I have?
Finally, what are the usage terms for this feature in the US among the major networks? Does ATT Spring and Verizon allow tethering for free, or are people doing this ninja style?
Answering those questions would be useful.
A list of phones that supposedly allow you to tether without context is not.
BTW it's possible if not likely that in some countries outside the US that carriers are more liberal with tethering plans, but sadly it won't benefit me as I do not live in those countries. No disrespect to said countries.
I can't speak for all of the phones on the list (they were all ones listed with tethering ability) but the SGH-A707 was purchased directly from AT&T and came with the support fully functional.. all that was required was a download of 'samsung tools' and the USB data cable. As I said...I never said I expected tethering to be free, they could charge for it and there would be no complaint on my end. The issue I had was that several phones already support it and it works so what 'needs' to be put in place to make it work with the Iphone that doesn't already exist?
If I told you that you needed 100 Octane Unleaded fuel in order for your car to exceed 65mph what would you tell me? Would you be confused? Would you look at all of the other cars that can exceed 65mph and wonder why your car is so 'special' that it needs to be different?
I would... that's all I am doing here... only difference is Apple is saying something special is needed for the Iphone to do tethering and when I look around I see other phones already doing tethering and wonder why? What makes the Iphone so 'special'?
Speaking of tethering, has anyone with the beta checked if it is in there yet? If so, how well does it work, how easy it is to configure and how quickly does it drain the battery?
depending on 'how' the tethering is initiated it shouldn't have much of an impact on the battery... on the phones I've mentioned it's been done with the data (USB) cable plugged in so the phone has power from the device you're tethering with. If done via bluetooth or wireless (which I don't know if that is even an option) then you would have battery life to worry about.
Any word in this mess of news on using the Iphone as a storage device? I would love to use the thing like the Ipod and store files on it in a flash drive like fashion.
I can't speak for all of the phones on the list (they were all ones listed with tethering ability) but the SGH-A707 was purchased directly from AT&T and came with the support fully functional.. ...What makes the Iphone so 'special'?
I was aware that plenty of phones allowed this feature, otherwise why would there be any discussion of the feature missing from the iPhone. I was not aware that such phones were sold directly from US carriers with the feature already enabled.
Is this something ATT has no problems with? You are allowed to hook the data from your phone to your laptop on ATT network with no extra fees, no strings attached, no limitations?
By the way it's possible to do the same thing on the iPhone, you just need to jailbreak in order to do so. So there's no technical reason why the iPhone can't do it, there's some other reason why this feature is not enabled, but I'm not aware what that reason is if ATT allows this feature on other phones without restrictions.
Any word in this mess of news on using the Iphone as a storage device? I would love to use the thing like the Ipod and store files on it in a flash drive like fashion.
This might not answer your question but there are programs on the App store that allow you to transfer and use files on your iPhone from a computer in a local WIFI LAN. If it's a supported file type you can view it right on your iPhone.
I was aware that plenty of phones allowed this feature, otherwise why would there be any discussion of the feature missing from the iPhone. I was not aware that such phones were sold directly from US carriers with the feature already enabled.
Is this something ATT has no problems with? You are allowed to hook the data from your phone to your laptop on ATT network with no extra fees, no strings attached, no limitations?
By the way it's possible to do the same thing on the iPhone, you just need to jailbreak in order to do so. So there's no technical reason why the iPhone can't do it, there's some other reason why this feature is not enabled, but I'm not aware what that reason is if ATT allows this feature on other phones without restrictions.
I don't spend much time reading EULAs in depth for services I have at home (though at work I find myself reading them for hours regarding software) I have not seen anything that barred me from using the tethering.. .I did use it for over 2 years when would lose our connection at work and I needed to get online to work with a customer (was doing tech support at the time). I would just tether the phone and run terminal services sessions, download small files, putty sessions, etc, etc... never saw anything pop up on the bill but didn't eat through a ton of bandwidth either. There could be some verbage in the EULA that stated I was in the wrong here but it never came up. (if anyone knows for sure please speak up).
I have seen the Jailbreak list of features (and there is a ton) which once again makes me wonder about the comment I poked fun at. I suppose that it's possible this has all been a hush hush issue until they started adding millions of devices to the network.
This might not answer your question but there are programs on the App store that allow you to transfer and use files on your iPhone from a computer in a local WIFI LAN. If it's a supported file type you can view it right on your iPhone.
I have used a couple of them.. there is just a great convenience to me when I don't have to download any software or run anything on the phone. Just plug and play.