Voice dialing is something I've missed since switching to iPhone. Now if they could only make a decent ring tone that is loud enough to hear when the phone is in my pocket. I've pretty much given up on ever answering calls since I don't hear them ring most of the time anyway. Maybe I'm just getting hard of hearing...
I'm so impressed- iPhone is finally getting all these phone features that everyone's had for years.
Of course the difference is that this one better work. Most others that offer voice dialing didn't work for shit. Most of the time voice dialing always called the wrong person.
Excatly how do you advance on the simplistic sending of pics and text directly to a phone number? FIll us in.
My friend - over 70 years old - wants to be able to do this on her Motorola. She can't, it's too confusing. The Verizon stock pictures can't be deleted from her gallery, making it worse.
She can do it on the iPhone without anyone telling her how. It's better.
Do you expect a 70 year old to hack their phone and delete the junk photo files Verizon stuck in there?
Apple negotiated control from AT&T. You don't see value there?
How do you advance on what many have told us were the perfectly serviceable smartphones on the market when the iPhone showed up? How do you advance on the much more accurate, far more "business like" use a stylus? How do you advance on the really great functionality of a WinMob phone and it's slavish attempt to replicate a desktop UI, with lots and lots of lists of tiny text? How do you advance on the "works fine if you're not too stupid to figure it out" system of pushing software updates through the carrier, or putting them on obscure web sites? How do you advance on the immutable and inevitable practice of letting the carrier dictate aspects of your UI?
How do make a better phone? Obviously, you can't, since by the time the iPhone was introduced there were phones on the market that did everything anyone could possibly want, as well as could be expected.
Game, set, match. Pretty much sums up why the iPhone is so advanced. Loved the part about all the haters "circling their wagons" around multi-tasking and chanting. I'm so happy everyone had all those other features for years. We'll have them now too, and much much more.
Of course the difference is that this one better work. Most others that offer voice dialing didn't work for shit. Most of the time voice dialing always called the wrong person.
It works better if you give people names from the phonetic alphabet. Tango Tina. Kilo Karl. But you feel kind of stupid calling them in front of people.
My friend - over 70 years old - wants to be able to do this on her Motorola. She can't, it's too confusing. The Verizon stock pictures can't be deleted from her gallery, making it worse.
She can do it on the iPhone without anyone telling her how. It's better.
Do you expect a 70 year old to hack their phone and delete the junk photo files Verizon stuck in there?
Apple negotiated control from AT&T. You don't see value there?
How does she receive pics to her phone number? Is she running 3.0 and have MMS pics already?
Seriously, more than half the world texts- it's not that confusing.
And BTW AT&T seems to be getting the better end of this deal.
How do you advance on what many have told us were the perfectly serviceable smartphones on the market when the iPhone showed up? How do you advance on the much more accurate, far more "business like" use a stylus? How do you advance on the really great functionality of a WinMob phone and it's slavish attempt to replicate a desktop UI, with lots and lots of lists of tiny text? How do you advance on the "works fine if you're not too stupid to figure it out" system of pushing software updates through the carrier, or putting them on obscure web sites? How do you advance on the immutable and inevitable practice of letting the carrier dictate aspects of your UI?
How do make a better phone? Obviously, you can't, since by the time the iPhone was introduced there were phones on the market that did everything anyone could possibly want, as well as could be expected.
SJ had said you don't need MMS -that email was the way to go in the future for pics and messaging. Was he lying back then? Why the about face now? Was he simply pushing/ selling MobileMe as the answer? Now that MMS is coming (which is a simpler method , mind you on a phone) you act like Apple is reinventing texting words and pics! Give me a break.
Most others that offer voice dialing didn't work for shit.
I don't know, my old Motorola worked pretty well for me. But it is kind of funny when it doesn't work- like the Google app. Some of the stuff it comes up with is hilarious. I find myself yelling at it in frustration and then it really doesn't work. Forget about it if you have the slightest bit of a foreign accent.
How does she receive pics to her phone number? Is she running 3.0 and have MMS pics already?
I mean send / receive a photo. As an email. For free. To and from a phone.
You know what I mean, why are you so disruptive? You know other phones have a horrible interface for such things. What is the harm in accepting that iPhone does it better?
Seriously, I can barely navigate the interface on a Verizon phone, it's extremely frustrating. And there are extra button pushes built in all over the place.
Ever since the iPhone was released, there has been a certain contingent that loves to talk about all the features the iPhone lacks, how the phones that they have "had for years" can do all these things the iPhone can't.
They will always have something to complain about, no matter how many features Apple adds to the iPhone. I'm sure if you gave one of these people 2 identical phones, but one with an Apple logo on it, they'd find all kinds of problems with the Apple phone and praise the other one. They are blinded by Brand. They see "Apple" and immediately hate it. Mostly they resent having to pay a bit more for something they really want, so, instead they trash it.
What I don't understand is why they spend so much time here and on other forums trying to argue over semantics that just don't matter. They throw up endless lists of specs as if that somehow will make us all throw our iPhones or Macs away and run to the nearest Best Buy to get that $400 Acer laptop that runs Windows Vista.
I don't know, my old Motorola worked pretty well for me. But it is kind of funny when it doesn't work- like the Google app. Some of the stuff it comes up with is hilarious. I find myself yelling at it in frustration and then it really doesn't work. Forget about it if you have the slightest bit of a foreign accent.
Fanboys always put down technology that Apple hasn't had for years because they need to make it seem like Apple will do it better. Can you imagine- voice dialing?
Fanboys always put down technology that Apple hasn't had for years because they need to make it seem like Apple will do it better. Can you imagine- voice dialing?
So instead of responding to what I wrote earlier, you immediately seized on "har, har, MMS finally comes to the iPhone".
Which suggests you don't have an answer to what I said, preferring to embody what I described by sticking with the short sighted, trollish nothing.
Again: next iPhone OS gets MMS, cut and paste, background notification, and (apparently) voice control) done in a simple, easy to access way. Next iPhone hardware most probably gets video recording, most probably some other stuff we don't know about yet.
So what are you going do to when you run out of "missing features" to mock? Where's the new stuff from the other guys to replenish your snark?
Is it, finally, your contention that everything anyone could want from a phone has been done, had been done by the time the iPhone arrived on the scene, and all the iPhone can possibly achieve is to gradually add the "missing features" until they achieve what, in your mind, somehow equals parity?
hope you don't have to handle the phone to get voice dialing
my 5 year old moto v551 had voice prints voice dialing
i could have the phone in my trunk and click the BT device and it just worked
That may be why Apple stopped selling their BT headset, or it was just junk compared to others and not selling well.
If they do include voice dialing I'm not sure how they could include it without a change to the headphones and the handset. Neither one has an ideal way of accessing the mice while holding a button down to initiate a call.
So instead of responding to what I wrote earlier, you immediately seized on "har, har, MMS finally comes to the iPhone".
Which suggests you don't have an answer to what I said, preferring to embody what I described by sticking with the short sighted, trollish nothing.
Again: next iPhone OS gets MMS, cut and paste, background notification, and (apparently) voice control) done in a simple, easy to access way. Next iPhone hardware most probably gets video recording, most probably some other stuff we don't know about yet.
So what are you going do to when you run out of "missing features" to mock? Where's the new stuff from the other guys to replenish your snark?
Is it, finally, your contention that everything anyone could want from a phone has been done, had been done by the time the iPhone arrived on the scene, and all the iPhone can possibly achieve is to gradually add the "missing features" until they achieve what, in your mind, somehow equals parity?
Not at all- where's the Quicktime App? After all, Apple did invent Quicktime. Why isn't there "an App for Dat"? Why wasn't it there from day one?
I have no idea how that relates to anything I've said.
I think he wants a standalone Quicktime app despite it being completely pointless. I also think that Teckstudian logic is making him purposely overlook the Quicktime frameworks that run the iPod app and the YouTube app and every A/V aspect of iPhone OS X. If he is being genuine, he probably wonders why there is no Quicktime app on the AppleTV.
I think he wants a standalone Quicktime app despite it being completely pointless. I also think that Teckstudian logic is making him purposely overlook the Quicktime frameworks that run the iPod app and the YouTube app and every A/V aspect of iPhone OS X. If he is being genuine, he probably wonders why there is no Quicktime app on the AppleTV.
Yeah, I kind of suspected the part about a stand alone QT player, and possibly about him not understanding the difference between the frameworks and a dedicated app.
What I don't get is what this has to do with the iPhone steadily adding "missing features" while the rest of the industry seemingly treads waters.
Yeah, I kind of suspected the part about a stand alone QT player, and possibly about him not understanding the difference between the frameworks and a dedicated app.
What I don't get is what this has to do with the iPhone steadily adding "missing features" while the rest of the industry seemingly treads waters.
Is it that the iPhone won't be truly complete till it has a QT app? Or that other phones are likely to offer it first? Or that that innovation from Apple would have to include a QT app, and the fact that there is none proves the iPhone isn't really much?
My mind being the antithesis of Teckstudian logic I don't get it. If Apple doesn't have a feature he complains. He they add a feature he complains. If they start small and expand from there he complains. If they take on too much at once he complains. If their profits drop he complains. If their profits are up he complains.
Back to out regularly scheduled thread...
MMS is not the 3G tech that was stated. At least not in the form that other phones use it. It was designed as a 3G tech, but was quickly pushed to EDGE and GPRS as 3G networks weren't yet evolved. So why did Apple state this if they knew it was easy debunked? I think that Apple is planning on making MMS very robust so that it will require 3G to work well. I think that their MMS will be able to send much larger files and more complex data files. This, of course, will only work between iPhones with 3G (and maybe only on the same carrier) which would be a marketing reason to sell more iPhones. After all, the free update of the original iPhone with v3.0 after 24-months is a bit daft on its own. I think that it's to put the rest of the industry into another spin but what if Apple has some HW and SW changes planned for WWDC that they think are enough to get people to drop their original iPhones with v3.0 for a new one. After all, if it was just about trying to get original iPhone owners to buy a new phone they wouldn't be giving them v3.0 for free.
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Voice dialing is something I've missed since switching to iPhone. Now if they could only make a decent ring tone that is loud enough to hear when the phone is in my pocket. I've pretty much given up on ever answering calls since I don't hear them ring most of the time anyway. Maybe I'm just getting hard of hearing...
Just make your own ringtone, it is easy.
I'm so impressed- iPhone is finally getting all these phone features that everyone's had for years.
Of course the difference is that this one better work. Most others that offer voice dialing didn't work for shit. Most of the time voice dialing always called the wrong person.
Excatly how do you advance on the simplistic sending of pics and text directly to a phone number? FIll us in.
My friend - over 70 years old - wants to be able to do this on her Motorola. She can't, it's too confusing. The Verizon stock pictures can't be deleted from her gallery, making it worse.
She can do it on the iPhone without anyone telling her how. It's better.
Do you expect a 70 year old to hack their phone and delete the junk photo files Verizon stuck in there?
Apple negotiated control from AT&T. You don't see value there?
How do you advance on what many have told us were the perfectly serviceable smartphones on the market when the iPhone showed up? How do you advance on the much more accurate, far more "business like" use a stylus? How do you advance on the really great functionality of a WinMob phone and it's slavish attempt to replicate a desktop UI, with lots and lots of lists of tiny text? How do you advance on the "works fine if you're not too stupid to figure it out" system of pushing software updates through the carrier, or putting them on obscure web sites? How do you advance on the immutable and inevitable practice of letting the carrier dictate aspects of your UI?
How do make a better phone? Obviously, you can't, since by the time the iPhone was introduced there were phones on the market that did everything anyone could possibly want, as well as could be expected.
Game, set, match. Pretty much sums up why the iPhone is so advanced. Loved the part about all the haters "circling their wagons" around multi-tasking and chanting. I'm so happy everyone had all those other features for years. We'll have them now too, and much much more.
Of course the difference is that this one better work. Most others that offer voice dialing didn't work for shit. Most of the time voice dialing always called the wrong person.
It works better if you give people names from the phonetic alphabet. Tango Tina. Kilo Karl. But you feel kind of stupid calling them in front of people.
My friend - over 70 years old - wants to be able to do this on her Motorola. She can't, it's too confusing. The Verizon stock pictures can't be deleted from her gallery, making it worse.
She can do it on the iPhone without anyone telling her how. It's better.
Do you expect a 70 year old to hack their phone and delete the junk photo files Verizon stuck in there?
Apple negotiated control from AT&T. You don't see value there?
How does she receive pics to her phone number? Is she running 3.0 and have MMS pics already?
Seriously, more than half the world texts- it's not that confusing.
And BTW AT&T seems to be getting the better end of this deal.
How do you advance on what many have told us were the perfectly serviceable smartphones on the market when the iPhone showed up? How do you advance on the much more accurate, far more "business like" use a stylus? How do you advance on the really great functionality of a WinMob phone and it's slavish attempt to replicate a desktop UI, with lots and lots of lists of tiny text? How do you advance on the "works fine if you're not too stupid to figure it out" system of pushing software updates through the carrier, or putting them on obscure web sites? How do you advance on the immutable and inevitable practice of letting the carrier dictate aspects of your UI?
How do make a better phone? Obviously, you can't, since by the time the iPhone was introduced there were phones on the market that did everything anyone could possibly want, as well as could be expected.
SJ had said you don't need MMS -that email was the way to go in the future for pics and messaging. Was he lying back then? Why the about face now? Was he simply pushing/ selling MobileMe as the answer? Now that MMS is coming (which is a simpler method , mind you on a phone) you act like Apple is reinventing texting words and pics! Give me a break.
Most others that offer voice dialing didn't work for shit.
I don't know, my old Motorola worked pretty well for me. But it is kind of funny when it doesn't work- like the Google app. Some of the stuff it comes up with is hilarious. I find myself yelling at it in frustration and then it really doesn't work. Forget about it if you have the slightest bit of a foreign accent.
How does she receive pics to her phone number? Is she running 3.0 and have MMS pics already?
I mean send / receive a photo. As an email. For free. To and from a phone.
You know what I mean, why are you so disruptive? You know other phones have a horrible interface for such things. What is the harm in accepting that iPhone does it better?
Seriously, I can barely navigate the interface on a Verizon phone, it's extremely frustrating. And there are extra button pushes built in all over the place.
Ever since the iPhone was released, there has been a certain contingent that loves to talk about all the features the iPhone lacks, how the phones that they have "had for years" can do all these things the iPhone can't.
They will always have something to complain about, no matter how many features Apple adds to the iPhone. I'm sure if you gave one of these people 2 identical phones, but one with an Apple logo on it, they'd find all kinds of problems with the Apple phone and praise the other one. They are blinded by Brand. They see "Apple" and immediately hate it. Mostly they resent having to pay a bit more for something they really want, so, instead they trash it.
What I don't understand is why they spend so much time here and on other forums trying to argue over semantics that just don't matter. They throw up endless lists of specs as if that somehow will make us all throw our iPhones or Macs away and run to the nearest Best Buy to get that $400 Acer laptop that runs Windows Vista.
Some people make a career out of bitching.
I don't know, my old Motorola worked pretty well for me. But it is kind of funny when it doesn't work- like the Google app. Some of the stuff it comes up with is hilarious. I find myself yelling at it in frustration and then it really doesn't work. Forget about it if you have the slightest bit of a foreign accent.
Fanboys always put down technology that Apple hasn't had for years because they need to make it seem like Apple will do it better. Can you imagine- voice dialing?
Fanboys always put down technology that Apple hasn't had for years because they need to make it seem like Apple will do it better. Can you imagine- voice dialing?
So instead of responding to what I wrote earlier, you immediately seized on "har, har, MMS finally comes to the iPhone".
Which suggests you don't have an answer to what I said, preferring to embody what I described by sticking with the short sighted, trollish nothing.
Again: next iPhone OS gets MMS, cut and paste, background notification, and (apparently) voice control) done in a simple, easy to access way. Next iPhone hardware most probably gets video recording, most probably some other stuff we don't know about yet.
So what are you going do to when you run out of "missing features" to mock? Where's the new stuff from the other guys to replenish your snark?
Is it, finally, your contention that everything anyone could want from a phone has been done, had been done by the time the iPhone arrived on the scene, and all the iPhone can possibly achieve is to gradually add the "missing features" until they achieve what, in your mind, somehow equals parity?
my 5 year old moto v551 had voice prints voice dialing
i could have the phone in my trunk and click the BT device and it just worked
hope you don't have to handle the phone to get voice dialing
my 5 year old moto v551 had voice prints voice dialing
i could have the phone in my trunk and click the BT device and it just worked
That may be why Apple stopped selling their BT headset, or it was just junk compared to others and not selling well.
If they do include voice dialing I'm not sure how they could include it without a change to the headphones and the handset. Neither one has an ideal way of accessing the mice while holding a button down to initiate a call.
So instead of responding to what I wrote earlier, you immediately seized on "har, har, MMS finally comes to the iPhone".
Which suggests you don't have an answer to what I said, preferring to embody what I described by sticking with the short sighted, trollish nothing.
Again: next iPhone OS gets MMS, cut and paste, background notification, and (apparently) voice control) done in a simple, easy to access way. Next iPhone hardware most probably gets video recording, most probably some other stuff we don't know about yet.
So what are you going do to when you run out of "missing features" to mock? Where's the new stuff from the other guys to replenish your snark?
Is it, finally, your contention that everything anyone could want from a phone has been done, had been done by the time the iPhone arrived on the scene, and all the iPhone can possibly achieve is to gradually add the "missing features" until they achieve what, in your mind, somehow equals parity?
Not at all- where's the Quicktime App? After all, Apple did invent Quicktime. Why isn't there "an App for Dat"? Why wasn't it there from day one?
Not at all- where's the Quicktime App? After all, Apple did invent Quicktime. Why isn't there "an App for Dat"? Why wasn't it there from day one?
I have no idea how that relates to anything I've said.
I have no idea how that relates to anything I've said.
I think he wants a standalone Quicktime app despite it being completely pointless. I also think that Teckstudian logic is making him purposely overlook the Quicktime frameworks that run the iPod app and the YouTube app and every A/V aspect of iPhone OS X. If he is being genuine, he probably wonders why there is no Quicktime app on the AppleTV.
I think he wants a standalone Quicktime app despite it being completely pointless. I also think that Teckstudian logic is making him purposely overlook the Quicktime frameworks that run the iPod app and the YouTube app and every A/V aspect of iPhone OS X. If he is being genuine, he probably wonders why there is no Quicktime app on the AppleTV.
Yeah, I kind of suspected the part about a stand alone QT player, and possibly about him not understanding the difference between the frameworks and a dedicated app.
What I don't get is what this has to do with the iPhone steadily adding "missing features" while the rest of the industry seemingly treads waters.
Yeah, I kind of suspected the part about a stand alone QT player, and possibly about him not understanding the difference between the frameworks and a dedicated app.
What I don't get is what this has to do with the iPhone steadily adding "missing features" while the rest of the industry seemingly treads waters.
Is it that the iPhone won't be truly complete till it has a QT app? Or that other phones are likely to offer it first? Or that that innovation from Apple would have to include a QT app, and the fact that there is none proves the iPhone isn't really much?
My mind being the antithesis of Teckstudian logic I don't get it. If Apple doesn't have a feature he complains. He they add a feature he complains. If they start small and expand from there he complains. If they take on too much at once he complains. If their profits drop he complains. If their profits are up he complains.
Back to out regularly scheduled thread...
MMS is not the 3G tech that was stated. At least not in the form that other phones use it. It was designed as a 3G tech, but was quickly pushed to EDGE and GPRS as 3G networks weren't yet evolved. So why did Apple state this if they knew it was easy debunked? I think that Apple is planning on making MMS very robust so that it will require 3G to work well. I think that their MMS will be able to send much larger files and more complex data files. This, of course, will only work between iPhones with 3G (and maybe only on the same carrier) which would be a marketing reason to sell more iPhones. After all, the free update of the original iPhone with v3.0 after 24-months is a bit daft on its own. I think that it's to put the rest of the industry into another spin but what if Apple has some HW and SW changes planned for WWDC that they think are enough to get people to drop their original iPhones with v3.0 for a new one. After all, if it was just about trying to get original iPhone owners to buy a new phone they wouldn't be giving them v3.0 for free.