Microsoft ups cash limit, takes aim at MacBook Pros in new ad

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  • Reply 221 of 505
    cory bauercory bauer Posts: 1,286member
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    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    Thank you for validating my point as to why BRDs are not possible or viable in Mac notebooks.



    How about you read past the part you want to hear? Specifically, "maybe Apple should consider not making their laptops so thin they can't offer the same capabilities as their competitors."

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    Originally Posted by Cory Bauer View Post


    Have you seen the PC laptops in these ads? They're all 1.5 to 2 inches thick. That's why the market for 9.5mm drives is so miniscule, unless someone like Apple is asking for one (which they haven't been, because they want you to spend all of your money at the iTunes Store). That said, there are 12.5mm drives available, and 1.3" laptops with Blu-Ray burners/players; maybe Apple should consider not making their laptops so thin they can't offer the same capabilities as their competitors.



  • Reply 222 of 505
    matt1974matt1974 Posts: 8member
    Ok guys, this thread is way over... we can't keep on discussing Mac vs PC over and over and over... we all agree PC stands for Piece of Cr*p.. and that's why we are reading and writing posts on AppleInsider.



    So, let's focus on the Microsoft Ad, or... ...SHUT UP!



    Yep, I said it!
  • Reply 223 of 505
    paxmanpaxman Posts: 4,716member
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    Originally Posted by Foxy View Post


    You cannot run Avid on a laptop, it's to heavy and needs at least 8GB of ram to make it usable. Avid is a software for workstations of this big:



    http://www.custom-consoles.com/image...orkstation.JPG.



    Huh? There are several editing options for the MacBook Pro - Avid Media composer / Mojo, FCP and Premiere. All of them very capable editors that can do pro work. You wouldn't want to edit a feature on a system like that, perhaps but as a solo film / video maker you'd be well equipped.
  • Reply 224 of 505
    cory bauercory bauer Posts: 1,286member
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    Originally Posted by snookie View Post


    The funniest part of the Blu-ray argument is those that think they can see Blu-Ray quality on a low res screen. Still I wish Apple would offer the option.



    Go to movies.yahoo.com and tell me you can't see the difference between the 480p and the 1080p trailers on your computer screen. Regardless, the bigger issue is 1.) Apple is stagnating Blu-Ray adoption by not giving video professionals the tools to create it, and 2.) a $2,000 Mac can't play any movie I've bought in the past year. Steve Jobs claimed 2007 was the year of HD, rolling out HD editing capabilities for mere mortals in iMovie. Two years later, there's no way to play your HD home movies on your television because Apple believes we can get all the HD we ever need from the iTunes Store.
  • Reply 225 of 505
    chris_cachris_ca Posts: 2,543member
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    Originally Posted by hucom View Post


    If she's a serious video artist, what the heck is she going to do with a PC??



    Nothing since she does not have one, which is why she is in the commercial.
  • Reply 226 of 505
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    Originally Posted by cooleye View Post


    I like the fact that you refer to all users who buys a PC as dumb. So, I have PC and Mac, that only makes me half as dumb then. My PC is actually running much faster/better than my Mac but I like them both just as much. I luv Mac fanboys!!



    LOL and my Linux machine runs even faster with a smaller footprint. So?



    Yes there are plenty of PC smarties out there. But you have to admit that over time, without maintenance, a Windows OS will degrade in performance to the point of painfulness. It is the nature of the beast. You have to clean the registry periodically--which there is software that you can buy (more $$$) to do it--otherwise it is a painstaking and potentially fatal operation. You also have to defrag the hard drive. You can schedule this to run at night, but if something happens while it's defragging (ie power goes out) you potentially could hose your hard drive. There is diskeeper software (which the ms tool that ships with windows is the 'lite' version) that preemptively defrags the system on the fly, but that's $ too ($30 for home to be exact). Of course the best remedy is to periodically 'wipe' the system and start over. How long does that take every 6 mos to a year?



    For the record, I'm not so much a Mac Fanboi as I am a Windows Hater. Why? Windows could have been so, so, so much better, but MS decided to paint themselves into a corner following the architecture path they did. Vista is the grand result of following that path. It's 100% bloatware. Now MS is backtracking and figured out how to trim some of the fat off the Vista pig. With Windows 7 the pig may be skinnier and it may have some fine lipstick--but its still a pig.
  • Reply 227 of 505
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Cory Bauer View Post


    How about you read past the part you want to hear? Specifically, "maybe Apple should consider not making their laptops so thin they can't offer the same capabilities as their competitors."



    Oh, I read it, but you are absolutely crazy if you think that Apple would entertain for a moment the addition of a half inch or more to their notebooks just to add a $200 tray-loading Blu-ray drive. Perhaps you haven't noticed, but Apple sells the thinnest and lightest notebooks for their performance class. This is part of their working strategy, not because they don't know to make thicker laptops, which doesn't make any sense.
  • Reply 228 of 505
    trajectorytrajectory Posts: 647member
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    Originally Posted by GSXRikal View Post


    I've known the PC are for decades... 25 years of hard work configuring systems to do this, or that... 25 years i've worked on MS-DOS, Windows, Win9x, Win2K, WinME, WinXP etc...



    I bought my Macbook Pro 2 years ago. It was a dare for me to prove (mainly myself) that a Mac would fail at even the most basic tasks i had devised for it. Boy was i wrong...



    Not only did this little endeavour cost me a new computer but i also got rid of my OLD COMPAQ LAPTOP, a beefy, bulky laptop with tons (supposedly) of power.



    Today, i run Macs... nothing but Macs... At the office, everyone around me wonder how i can work with a Mac in this Windows environment. Recently, my director (and friend) asked me howcome i never complained about computer freezing anymore... I said: "I switched to Mac"



    You should have looked at his face.



    Micro$loth forgets in their ad campain that Useability is worth more than the actual computer. Vista does not come close to OSX for useability...



    Yes it's cheaper to buy a PC... but how much time do you spend trying to get it to work compared to a Mac and how much is that time worth?



    But you don't get it! According to this commercial, Windows users don't care about how well the computer works, only that it costs less, is bigger, has more RAM and more, more, bigger, more, more!



    That is clearly the ONLY thing that matters to 95% of the people who buy a computer...according to Microsoft.
  • Reply 229 of 505
    camroidv27camroidv27 Posts: 523member
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    Originally Posted by gmcalpin View Post


    I'm really sick of every other post here turning into Mac vs. PC price comparisons.



    Is a Mac — not "Apple"*— worth 700 dollars more? To me, that's irrelevant, because a Windows machine would cost me more than $900 more from having to repurchase all the software I already own.



    Different people have different needs. I don't need or want a ton of games. I want my control, command, and option keys where they're at. I want the familiar, incrementally updated interface that I've been using for nearly 20 years now.



    And the fact that the hardware is more expensive — and it is — doesn't bother me a bit, because (1) I make enough money from my Mac to not care, and (2) it's a tax deduction anyway.



    None of this means that Macs are "better" than PCs. I don't care if they are or aren't. I just like my Mac.



    I'm glad you like your Mac, and that it generates income for you. I had a Mac, and it did the same (until it died). Now I have a PC and it too generates income for me. Sadly, none of my computers were tax deductible.



    But as someone who now only uses my video editing skills as a hobby (yes as a carrer too, but in a very different fashion) I find that I cannot afford a Mac for the hobby, yet I can afford a PC. I've even tinkered around with Linux options (Kdenlive, Gimp, etc) to see just how low I can get in terms of price vrs. productivity. Sadly, the linux tools are just not up to snuff. You can create the same content, it will just take you 5x longer to produce the same result. Yes, I spent 200 bucks on the machine, but that does come with that time cost.



    Anyhow, I personally don't think a Mac or PC is better than the other, since its the same hardware. OS wise, I think currently, Mac has the upper hand in most areas. But cost wise, all I see in the difference is the profit margins for Apple. And knowing how locked down their software is, and how their company has been running as of recent, I don't want to support those margins. In the past, I definitely would, and did. My arguments are the facts that Macs and PCs are the same, and all you are paying for these days is the branding... the cool toy... that Apple logo. You can put OS X on a standard PC. My home built quad core runs RETAIL OSX (no hacks to the OS or its disk) and I use it for Final Cut when I need to. I bought the OS because it is valuable to me. But I won't buy their hardware when I can do it myself for much cheaper.





    As for software re-purchasing... yes you certinately do have a point. In my case, if I wanted to keep my Mac programs, the retail disk was $150 on top of the $500 I spent on the hardware. Its an amazing machine let me tell you. OS X runs GREAT! Therefore, you can deduct that re-purchasing of software. My numbers show that as the $1410 after buying OS X. Use your old software, tinker a bit to get OS X working, and you are good to go. (Mind you, I don't know if the HPs internals have drivers... but one can research and shop around, or continue to tinker to get it working. There is plenty of help out there!)
  • Reply 230 of 505
    camroidv27camroidv27 Posts: 523member
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    Originally Posted by teckstud View Post


    Can you provide evidence that there is?

    Besides that chip in the MacBook Air what is manufactured specifically for Apple internals only?



    The fact I can run Retail OS X (no hacks) on a home built computer proves my point. Same internals.



    True, I built that computer to match Apple's hardware as closely as possible using off the shelf parts (and was VERY successful! Easy OS install and upgrades! Just like a real Mac!), but others will argue that "But it takes a lot of work to get OS X on my standard PC, therefore the internals are NOT the same"



    Specific drivers are missing in OS X to support the plethora of hardware out there. They don't need to write drivers for the hardware because they only will support their own. If other motherboard / desktop / laptop companies wrote or could write drivers for OS X, then it could easily install on other machines. This is not a hardware incompatibility issue, but a driver issue. Same thing happens in Windows, its just a lot less fatal, and windows comes with a slew of drivers to begin with.



    I will give you one hardware difference: EFI vers BIOS. And personally, I wish the standard PC would move to EFI.
  • Reply 231 of 505
    gmcalpingmcalpin Posts: 266member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Cory Bauer View Post


    Go to movies.yahoo.com and tell me you can't see the difference between the 480p and the 1080p trailers on your computer screen.



    I think what Snookie meant was that people think they can see Blu-Ray quality (1920x1080 video) on a screen that only displays 1366x768 or even 1440x900.
  • Reply 232 of 505
    paxmanpaxman Posts: 4,716member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Matt1974 View Post


    So, let's focus on the Microsoft Ad, or... ...SHUT UP!

    Yep, I said it!



    PC users must hate the I'm a Mac ads as they paint a very ambiguous picture that is patently not entirely true yet hard to disprove without going into booooring detail. They are comedic and simplistic and that is why they are successful. They help create an 'impression'. Lame as I think the PC ads are (non creative, full of holes, cheap cheap cheap), I am sure they will do their job very well. If they help sell more PC's they are successful. But if they tarnish the Apple brand by underpinning the perception that they are more expensive, they are even more successful. The danger is that they will cheapen the Windows / pc-maker 'brand' in which case the whole thing will play into Apple's hands. They certainly do seem to suggest that Apple is a superior product. The issue of TCO is a hard one to sell. People are VERY short sighted. Generally I think the aim of the campaign is to stem the tide of 'switchers'. I am not sure if it will work but I suspect the campaign will succeed at selling more laptops.
  • Reply 233 of 505
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    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    Sure, it's easy to upgrade for you and me and pretty much anyone else if you walked them through it, but they probably wouldn't be comfortable with doing it and, more importantly, they probably have no idea what exactly RAM is and how little it costs or what more would do when they are looking for a machine. People interchange the terms RAM, CPU, and HDD all the time. This is one area that Apple's Mac sales from 3rd-party vendors are hurt because they usually only offer the default RAM size.



    Ummmmm.....take your computer to any Apple store and a Genius will install your aftermarket RAM for you at no charge (after making an online appt, otherwise, you'll have to wait and wait usually). Can you walk into an HP store and get the same service? Oh wait, what did you say? There are no HP stores........
  • Reply 234 of 505
    brucepbrucep Posts: 2,823member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Cory Bauer View Post


    Go to movies.yahoo.com and tell me you can't see the difference between the 480p and the 1080p trailers on your computer screen. Regardless, the bigger issue is 1.) Apple is stagnating Blu-Ray adoption by not giving video professionals the tools to create it, and 2.) a $2,000 Mac can't play any movie I've bought in the past year. Steve Jobs claimed 2007 was the year of HD, rolling out HD editing capabilities for mere mortals in iMovie. Two years later, there's no way to play your HD home movies on your television because Apple believes we can get all the HD we ever need from the iTunes Store.



    i play hd homies all the time on my t v thru my mini ...
  • Reply 235 of 505
    trajectorytrajectory Posts: 647member
    The premise of this commercial -- a video "artist" or editor who is looking for a new laptop -- is so unrealistic and full of bullshit.



    First of all, I presume this woman is pretending to be either an independent artist or is working for a company. In either case, she is likely already using a Mac or PC to do her work, even though most video editing is done on Macs.



    So, why would someone who's doing video editing on one platform even consider another platform when buying a new computer? If she currently does her video editing on a PC, why on Earth would she even consider a Mac? And vice-versa? If she uses Macs at work for her "art," buying a PC is just going to make her life miserable because she has to learn and buy all new software and hardware.



    The ad makes no sense at all and is not based on reality. And I haven't even mentioned the specs of the computers they are comparing!



    This all has a whiff of desperation coming from Redmond.
  • Reply 236 of 505
    hudson1hudson1 Posts: 800member
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    Originally Posted by rsmurf View Post


    Am i missing something or has MS in their ads now told me that i can buy a $700 17" laptop and it has everything i need then why do i need to buy a $1500 17" laptop that has everything i need and why do i need to buy a $2000 16" laptop that has everything need?



    These ads are just stupid.



    Yep, it makes "Lauren" look like a shopping genius compared to this home filmaker or whatever she says she is.
  • Reply 237 of 505
    brucepbrucep Posts: 2,823member
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    Originally Posted by cmf2 View Post


    These ads are effective, kudos to Microsoft. They reflect what I thought prior to switching to a Mac, and I think a lot of people think the same way. However, after trying a mac many people would see them in a different light. That is what Apple should focus on, they can't win a pricepoint war.



    Weight, thickness, case material, ram type, backlighting type, light sensors, illuminated keyboards, slot loading drives, multi-touch trackpads, etc do not show up in a pricepoint comparision but they do add cost and they certainly add value. Apple specializes in the end user experience and it shows in the OS, the software, the hardware, and in the integration between all of those. Apple stores are successful because people can try out the hardware. I think Apple should focus on the user experience and promoting the Apple stores in their ads, that is where their strengths lie. Of course Apple gets a lot of free advertising, one of my friends got a mac, then I did, then 4 other friends did. I doubt many people use their friends HP and say "I have to get one".



    fine post
  • Reply 238 of 505
    jamiecjamiec Posts: 42member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jdhayes117 View Post


    If this were all legit, I wonder how many $1ks MS would have to give away before they actually found a "hunter" that actually bought a PC...?



    It can't be completely legit, because otherwise any buyer would just go with a $1999 machine. In fact, the most profitable choice in all cases would be the $1999 MacBook Pro, since it has by far the highest resale value.



    If the buyer has any freedom in what to pick, MS must give the buyer a clear spec sheet of exactly what the computer must have in order for them to be able to buy it (no more, no less). One of the items on this spec sheet would have been "must have 4GB RAM" knowing that there was no Mac laptop in that store for under $2000 that would meet that criterion.
  • Reply 239 of 505
    trajectorytrajectory Posts: 647member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by paxman View Post


    PC users must hate the I'm a Mac ads as they paint a very ambiguous picture that is patently not entirely true yet hard to disprove without going into booooring detail. They are comedic and simplistic and that is why they are successful. They help create an 'impression'. Lame as I think the PC ads are (non creative, full of holes, cheap cheap cheap), I am sure they will do their job very well. If they help sell more PC's they are successful. But if they tarnish the Apple brand by underpinning the perception that they are more expensive, they are even more successful. The danger is that they will cheapen the Windows / pc-maker 'brand' in which case the whole thing will play into Apple's hands. They certainly do seem to suggest that Apple is a superior product. The issue of TCO is a hard one to sell. People are VERY short sighted. Generally I think the aim of the campaign is to stem the tide of 'switchers'. I am not sure if it will work but I suspect the campaign will succeed at selling more laptops.



    But what you are missing is that the previous 3 MS ads didn't "tarnish" Apple's brand, they in fact reinforced the perception that Apple products are cool and good-looking and desirable, but cost a little more. But, cost certainly doesn't prevent millions of people from buying brand names instead of generic in stores everywhere, even though they may cost a bit more. So, to base your entire marketing strategy on "CHEAP" for something expensive like a computer won't have a good, long-term effect, IMO. Just look at iPods, you can get much cheaper MP3 players, so, why don't people flock to them instead if price is the overriding factor?



    I believe MS is making a huge mistake with these ads, and that they won't be very effective because they focus on ONE thing (cheap laptops) and ignore so many other factors that determine what computer is right for you. Not only that, but, there's not one single mention of Windows or Microsoft in any of these ads. They seem like ads for HP laptops, and not very convincing ones.
  • Reply 240 of 505
    matt1974matt1974 Posts: 8member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by paxman View Post


    PC users must hate the I'm a Mac ads as they paint a very ambiguous picture that is patently not entirely true yet hard to disprove without going into booooring detail. They are comedic and simplistic and that is why they are successful. They help create an 'impression'. Lame as I think the PC ads are (non creative, full of holes, cheap cheap cheap), I am sure they will do their job very well. If they help sell more PC's they are successful. But if they tarnish the Apple brand by underpinning the perception that they are more expensive, they are even more successful. The danger is that they will cheapen the Windows / pc-maker 'brand' in which case the whole thing will play into Apple's hands. They certainly do seem to suggest that Apple is a superior product. The issue of TCO is a hard one to sell. People are VERY short sighted. Generally I think the aim of the campaign is to stem the tide of 'switchers'. I am not sure if it will work but I suspect the campaign will succeed at selling more laptops.



    Agree, they do suggest that Apple is superior, and that could definitively play in favor for Apple. I mean, if you can by only Armani clothes (yes, provided you like it), why would you dress in Old Navy?



    Now seriously, I feel really sorry for people who insist that PCs and a Windows OS is better than a Mac and OSX... really sorry, but at the same time happy to realize the world is full of fools, because that gives the rest of us more opportunities... Really, how many times you've been congratulated for some amazing work you've done on a Mac???
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