Well, Windows can keep Max and Xsi for all I care. But I'd like to see them arrive for the strength and growth for the 'X' platform. I also want my 'X' copy of Poser 5. Hurry up Curious Labs!!!!!!
I would like to see Apple do more themes. Unlike the tak ones in Windows, I think 'Keynote' shows Apple could come up with some wizzy stuff.
i want the ability to run the 9700 all-in-wonder, and the Nvidia FX, and AMD processors, and last but not least security holes, and lack of privacy...i want apple to know what kind of dvd's i watch!
I noticed in windows that the size of the files are actually written down in the database for that file so when I click on the file, I immedately know the size.
In osx, I have to sometimes wait for ages before the size of a file is calculated.
ive used windows for the past 10 years I think thats enough experience to know whats bad about it</strong><hr></blockquote>
I too. And I only in the past four years have had a Mac OS as my only OS at home. Almost all my jobs outside of home have been with Windows of all disgusting flavors. I hate Windows with a passion...but I hate Apple's restrictive access to my files. I didn't like it in prior OS's and I would like more access to them in the future as others have stated pretty strongly...and OS X is still in it's birth stages.
<strong>Cut a file and paste it somewhere else to move the file elsewhere.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Apple won't do it because it's potentially destructive. Only if there's a more flexible pasteboard that allows mulitple user cuts/copies and/or a more versatile means of viewing and tracking the pasteboard contents would make this possible.
Apple won't do it because it's potentially destructive. Only if there's a more flexible pasteboard that allows mulitple user cuts/copies and/or a more versatile means of viewing and tracking the pasteboard contents would make this possible.
You could accidentally cut something else to the pasteboard, thereby erasing the file, because in the process of cutting the file (as opposed to copying) to the pasteboard, it's the only place the file now exists.
<strong>You could accidentally cut something else to the pasteboard, thereby erasing the file, because in the process of cutting the file (as opposed to copying) to the pasteboard, it's the only place the file now exists.
I want the dock fixed. In particular, I wish it fit all the way across the bottom of the screen whether or not if was full of items and I also want windows of open apps to behave with the dock as they do with the top menubar.
The way the dock sits now, if its not full, it wastes screen space. Who sizes windows so that they make use of the space between either of the dock edges and screen edge? Nobody. The dock should just sit at the bottom like the top menubar sits at the top and out of the way of open app windows.
<strong>I want the dock fixed. In particular, I wish it fit all the way across the bottom of the screen whether or not if was full of items and I also want windows of open apps to behave with the dock as they do with the top menubar.</strong><hr></blockquote>
The Dock doesn't extend to the edges of the screen for this reason: if a non-Dock-savvy app (including all Classic apps) places it a full-size window under the Dock, how else are you going to get to the resize widget in the lower left-hand corner?
As for handling windows, I'm not sure exactly what you mean. Docked apps do list open windows in their Dock menus -- just control or press-click.
The Dock doesn't extend to the edges of the screen for this reason: if a non-Dock-savvy app (including all Classic apps) places it a full-size window under the Dock, how else are you going to get to the resize widget in the lower left-hand corner? </strong><hr></blockquote>
When you full screen the window, why does it have to go under the dock? In classic, when I hit the full screen button, the window apps butts up against the bottom edge of the top menubar. It does not put it under the top menubar. It just seems to me that when you hit that re-size button, it should fit it against the bottom edge of the top menubar AND the top edge of the dock (if it was sitting all the way across the bottom of the screen).
[quote]Originally posted by Hobbes:
<strong>
As for handling windows, I'm not sure exactly what you mean. Docked apps do list open windows in their Dock menus -- just control or press-click.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, in classic, when you auto resize a finder window (with lots of items in it) or an app window such as mozilla, the app window is never put behind the top menubar. Why can't auto resize work the same way for the dock?
<strong>You could accidentally cut something else to the pasteboard, thereby erasing the file, because in the process of cutting the file (as opposed to copying) to the pasteboard, it's the only place the file now exists.
[clarity]
]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ok. They should leave the cutting out then. Just keep copy/paste for us fools.
<strong>Ok. They should leave the cutting out then. Just keep copy/paste for us fools. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Uh, don't take that personally, I'm just pointing out the pitfalls of using the cut command with files. You don't have to be stupid. Everyone can be careless now and then, and accidents do happen to even the most expert among us.
<strong>It just seems to me that when you hit that re-size button, it should fit it against the bottom edge of the top menubar AND the top edge of the dock (if it was sitting all the way across the bottom of the screen).</strong><hr></blockquote>
In theory, that's how it should work. In practice, developers (especially Carbon developers) have write their apps to be Dock-aware. And Classic apps, AFAIK, simply can't be Dock-aware.
Finally, windows can still end up behind the Dock: try hiding the Dock, moving a window to the bottom of the screen, then unhiding. This is intentional Apple's part; I think it makes sense. The Dock is flexible enough to allow windows to be placed behind it. It's a different widget than the Windows Taskbar; likewise, it has a significantly different behavior.
So that space between screen edge and Dock is Apple's compromise for usability. As compromises go, I've seen worse.
Does it annoy anyone else when you go to drag a window by its border in Windows and it starts resizing? Derrr... However Apple became retarded, in OS X you can't resized OR move windows by their borders, wasted opportunity. In my opinion they could get two birds with one stone: in 10.3 you can drag a window by its borders, however if you option-click you can resize a window by its borders. What do you say Apple?
</strong>
<hr></blockquote>
Ummm... OS X windows don't have borders. Although maybe if you held down option within 5px of the border you could resize it. I don't know about moving the window though. I especially hate how in brushed metal apps if I accidentally click in the wrong place I end up draggin the window.
Ummm... OS X windows don't have borders. Although maybe if you held down option within 5px of the border you could resize it. I don't know about moving the window though.</strong><hr></blockquote> Do you realize how inconsistant this kind of behavior is? You click in a magical area, and it resizes. What if I wanted the window behind it...I clicked there didn't I... What if I wanted the scroll bar...I clicked it didn't I.
This entire thread is extremely discouraging (with a few exceptions, of course). If everyone likes the clutter and mess of windows then use windows. I'm not personally hurt if you decide to change. Just don't force your clutter on me. And this "just make it an option" doesn't quite cut it, either. Really, the beauty of OS X is the consistancy of behavior. The more options you add, the more inconsistant the OS is. Contextual menus on Menubar menus??? How awfully strange and confusing is that? And making open/save windows extremely complex? Really, we don't need all that. I agree that in the beginning OS X's open/save file panes weren't all that great, but they have gotten better. It does what is says it will...save and open. It doesn't claim to do more and can be cluttered if it does (just look at that windows save dialog box - I don't want to see that when all I want to do is save my file). And this clipboard-like-pane for moving files doesn't seem very necessary either. Just use the desktop - that's why it's there, and the stuff that's left there at the end of the day is in a consistant location ~/Desktop/. The cut command was conciously left out...and for good reason. The 'edit' commands shouldn't be used for files to begin with. It's for text editing, and not for file manipulation, so the analogy doesn't work quite as well. Copy and pasting a file doesn't quite ring as true as text (although windows has used this analogy, and so now it's a standard computer analogy, even though it makes no sense.) And this All in One concept of an app?!? We have something that works, and works well. Why half-ass it elsewhere. How much more confusing can you get than having iTunes within Safari? but it's iTunes, and the app is Safari! Let's ditch the finder and use Safari to navigate to our files. @#$%.
/rant Sorry
Some features that would help is better FTP, better "connect-to-server" type thing, and a windowshade-type minimization (I know there is a haxie, but it should be integrated with the finder). More contextual menu options would also be nice, or an easy way to add our own (a la OS 9).
Comments
1) 3D Studio Max and SoftImage ported to OSX
2) the absence of a CLI
[ 01-19-2003: Message edited by: spooky ]</p>
<strong>I would realy like the right click menu, or something similar.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Contextual menus? OS X has that.
I would like to see Apple do more themes. Unlike the tak ones in Windows, I think 'Keynote' shows Apple could come up with some wizzy stuff.
Bring on the 'skins'/Themes already.
Lemon Bon BOn
[ 01-19-2003: Message edited by: Lemon Bon Bon ]</p>
Here's a killer feature that windows has that mac hasn't incorporated!
Cut a file and paste it somewhere else to move the file elsewhere. This is one of the most convenient features available!
Apple has already implemented the copy feature but if I want to simply move a file or a bunch of files, copy is useless.
What do you guys think?
I noticed in windows that the size of the files are actually written down in the database for that file so when I click on the file, I immedately know the size.
In osx, I have to sometimes wait for ages before the size of a file is calculated.
I want that feature now.
<strong>
ive used windows for the past 10 years I think thats enough experience to know whats bad about it</strong><hr></blockquote>
I too. And I only in the past four years have had a Mac OS as my only OS at home. Almost all my jobs outside of home have been with Windows of all disgusting flavors. I hate Windows with a passion...but I hate Apple's restrictive access to my files. I didn't like it in prior OS's and I would like more access to them in the future as others have stated pretty strongly...and OS X is still in it's birth stages.
We'll see...just make it an option!
<strong>Cut a file and paste it somewhere else to move the file elsewhere.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Apple won't do it because it's potentially destructive. Only if there's a more flexible pasteboard that allows mulitple user cuts/copies and/or a more versatile means of viewing and tracking the pasteboard contents would make this possible.
[edit: and these would be a Good Idea.(tm)]
[ 01-20-2003: Message edited by: BuonRotto ]</p>
<strong>
Apple won't do it because it's potentially destructive. Only if there's a more flexible pasteboard that allows mulitple user cuts/copies and/or a more versatile means of viewing and tracking the pasteboard contents would make this possible.
[edit: and these would be a Good Idea.(tm)]
[ 01-20-2003: Message edited by: BuonRotto ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Still, a good idea. I like the idea of copy/cutting and pasting files wherever you like. Very intuitive.
Why is it potentially destructive ?
[clarity]
[ 01-20-2003: Message edited by: BuonRotto ]</p>
<strong>You could accidentally cut something else to the pasteboard, thereby erasing the file, because in the process of cutting the file (as opposed to copying) to the pasteboard, it's the only place the file now exists.
[clarity]
[ 01-20-2003: Message edited by: BuonRotto ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
hah i can honestly see ALOT of people doing this...perhaps taht is how .dll's go missing from windows computeres
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
The way the dock sits now, if its not full, it wastes screen space. Who sizes windows so that they make use of the space between either of the dock edges and screen edge? Nobody. The dock should just sit at the bottom like the top menubar sits at the top and out of the way of open app windows.
<strong>I want the dock fixed. In particular, I wish it fit all the way across the bottom of the screen whether or not if was full of items and I also want windows of open apps to behave with the dock as they do with the top menubar.</strong><hr></blockquote>
The Dock doesn't extend to the edges of the screen for this reason: if a non-Dock-savvy app (including all Classic apps) places it a full-size window under the Dock, how else are you going to get to the resize widget in the lower left-hand corner?
As for handling windows, I'm not sure exactly what you mean. Docked apps do list open windows in their Dock menus -- just control or press-click.
[ 01-20-2003: Message edited by: Hobbes ]</p>
<strong>
The Dock doesn't extend to the edges of the screen for this reason: if a non-Dock-savvy app (including all Classic apps) places it a full-size window under the Dock, how else are you going to get to the resize widget in the lower left-hand corner? </strong><hr></blockquote>
When you full screen the window, why does it have to go under the dock? In classic, when I hit the full screen button, the window apps butts up against the bottom edge of the top menubar. It does not put it under the top menubar. It just seems to me that when you hit that re-size button, it should fit it against the bottom edge of the top menubar AND the top edge of the dock (if it was sitting all the way across the bottom of the screen).
[quote]Originally posted by Hobbes:
<strong>
As for handling windows, I'm not sure exactly what you mean. Docked apps do list open windows in their Dock menus -- just control or press-click.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, in classic, when you auto resize a finder window (with lots of items in it) or an app window such as mozilla, the app window is never put behind the top menubar. Why can't auto resize work the same way for the dock?
<strong>You could accidentally cut something else to the pasteboard, thereby erasing the file, because in the process of cutting the file (as opposed to copying) to the pasteboard, it's the only place the file now exists.
[clarity]
]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ok. They should leave the cutting out then. Just keep copy/paste for us fools.
<strong>Ok. They should leave the cutting out then. Just keep copy/paste for us fools.
Uh, don't take that personally, I'm just pointing out the pitfalls of using the cut command with files. You don't have to be stupid. Everyone can be careless now and then, and accidents do happen to even the most expert among us.
<strong>It just seems to me that when you hit that re-size button, it should fit it against the bottom edge of the top menubar AND the top edge of the dock (if it was sitting all the way across the bottom of the screen).</strong><hr></blockquote>
In theory, that's how it should work. In practice, developers (especially Carbon developers) have write their apps to be Dock-aware. And Classic apps, AFAIK, simply can't be Dock-aware.
Finally, windows can still end up behind the Dock: try hiding the Dock, moving a window to the bottom of the screen, then unhiding. This is intentional Apple's part; I think it makes sense. The Dock is flexible enough to allow windows to be placed behind it. It's a different widget than the Windows Taskbar; likewise, it has a significantly different behavior.
So that space between screen edge and Dock is Apple's compromise for usability. As compromises go, I've seen worse.
[ 01-20-2003: Message edited by: Hobbes ]</p>
<strong>
Does it annoy anyone else when you go to drag a window by its border in Windows and it starts resizing? Derrr... However Apple became retarded, in OS X you can't resized OR move windows by their borders, wasted opportunity. In my opinion they could get two birds with one stone: in 10.3 you can drag a window by its borders, however if you option-click you can resize a window by its borders. What do you say Apple?
</strong>
<hr></blockquote>
Ummm... OS X windows don't have borders. Although maybe if you held down option within 5px of the border you could resize it. I don't know about moving the window though. I especially hate how in brushed metal apps if I accidentally click in the wrong place I end up draggin the window.
-Chris
[ 01-21-2003: Message edited by: amitofu ]</p>
<strong>
Ummm... OS X windows don't have borders. Although maybe if you held down option within 5px of the border you could resize it. I don't know about moving the window though.</strong><hr></blockquote> Do you realize how inconsistant this kind of behavior is? You click in a magical area, and it resizes. What if I wanted the window behind it...I clicked there didn't I... What if I wanted the scroll bar...I clicked it didn't I.
This entire thread is extremely discouraging (with a few exceptions, of course). If everyone likes the clutter and mess of windows then use windows. I'm not personally hurt if you decide to change. Just don't force your clutter on me. And this "just make it an option" doesn't quite cut it, either. Really, the beauty of OS X is the consistancy of behavior. The more options you add, the more inconsistant the OS is. Contextual menus on Menubar menus??? How awfully strange and confusing is that? And making open/save windows extremely complex? Really, we don't need all that. I agree that in the beginning OS X's open/save file panes weren't all that great, but they have gotten better. It does what is says it will...save and open. It doesn't claim to do more and can be cluttered if it does (just look at that windows save dialog box - I don't want to see that when all I want to do is save my file). And this clipboard-like-pane for moving files doesn't seem very necessary either. Just use the desktop - that's why it's there, and the stuff that's left there at the end of the day is in a consistant location ~/Desktop/. The cut command was conciously left out...and for good reason. The 'edit' commands shouldn't be used for files to begin with. It's for text editing, and not for file manipulation, so the analogy doesn't work quite as well. Copy and pasting a file doesn't quite ring as true as text (although windows has used this analogy, and so now it's a standard computer analogy, even though it makes no sense.) And this All in One concept of an app?!? We have something that works, and works well. Why half-ass it elsewhere. How much more confusing can you get than having iTunes within Safari? but it's iTunes, and the app is Safari! Let's ditch the finder and use Safari to navigate to our files. @#$%.
/rant
Some features that would help is better FTP, better "connect-to-server" type thing, and a windowshade-type minimization (I know there is a haxie, but it should be integrated with the finder). More contextual menu options would also be nice, or an easy way to add our own (a la OS 9).