His comment was rather silly, but yours doubly so.
Our Canadian "socialism" (which it isn't) means that you won't have to take out a second mortgage on your home when you get your tonsils removed. Health care in Canada is funded and delivered through a publicly-funded health care system, with most services provided by private entities. It certainly isn't what it once was, but it still functions.
The flood of Canadian;s coming south for medical care doesn't bode well for canada's health care system.
But canada at least cares for it's people and does not play political games with people's lives like america does.
His comment was rather silly, but yours doubly so.
Our Canadian "socialism" (which it isn't) means that you won't have to take out a second mortgage on your home when you get your tonsils removed. Health care in Canada is funded and delivered through a publicly-funded health care system, with most services provided by private entities. It certainly isn't what it once was, but it still functions.
I suppose I did leave the window open for the assumption that i was talking about canada in general. And i'm not looking to debate how much of canada's health care is based on socialist philosophy.
in fact, i might agree that there are some benefits to applying socialist philosophy to areas such as health care
but in the business arena, to say that a government body needs to come in and force a private company to allow others to benefit from their innovation, is socialism poorly implemented.
but in the business arena, to say that a government body needs to come in and force a private company to allow others to benefit from their innovation, is socialism poorly implemented.
Agreed. Misundersanding, is all.
But there should, in general and in principle be some degree of oversight, don't you think? What would you say the limits are? When should it be applied?
but in the business arena, to say that a government body needs to come in and force a private company to allow others to benefit from their innovation, is socialism poorly implemented.
That's not socialism poorly implemented, it's not even socialism at all. That's just lawmaking, pure and simple. I'm sure US IP laws have similar provisions, such as compulsory licensing, which would achieve the same result or putting the 'innovation' as you say in the hands of more people.
No offence intended, but you did write 140.000,000 million which is 140 trillion! Yes it was an intended funny, although obviously not a very successful one...
They have sold 40 Million iPod touches and iPhones (combined figure) by June 09. iPhones (original & 3G) 21.6 Million sold so thats less than 19 million touches sold.
180 million iPods sold worldwide as of Q4 2008 and is now approaching 200 million.
No it you who have made no sence here at all . Itunes is the default media player on only 8 percent of all computers?
ITUNES is built and run by apple. It is owned by apple, It signed or abides by no agreements.
You all can blab on forever, but that won't change the facts . Apple out of the kindness of its heart warned the market that it won't supporting 3rd party devices.
Also no one forced anything on anyone. Of the 92 percent of where itunes is installed, IT WAS NOT THE DEFAUT MEDIA PLAYER. Someone choose itunes over ms media player. Over 120 million people made this choice .
didn't it come pre-installed on some dells? typing "itunes pre-installed" also showed me an article saying that hp(Long time ago) pre-installed itunes .
I mean what did we all expect...of course Apple is going to break it. They are the competition...I would break it too. Watch as all the whinny pre users come flooding forums complaining about Apple. Hey Palm why don't you just write your own device management app instead of mooching off of iTunes.
Based on this logic I don't see why Microsoft doesn't make iTunes (on Windows) break on a monthly basis so that they can promote their Zune. Wait, that would be unfair!!!
Apple gets away with crap the rest of the world can't.
What a bunch of bull, does Microsoft allow the Zune software to sync with Palm Pre, why isn't there outrage over that, why isn't Palm making this a feature of their phone, they just want to hitch onto the biggest name in the industry.
Silly thing to say.
Obviously companies in a position of monopoly are expected to behave rather better than those with tiny marketshares. Look at the hoops Microsoft has to jump through with Internet Explorer on Windows. Apple should have to do the same with iTunes.
Palm had no choice but to hack. Apple doesn't provide an API for the Pre to tap into.
Again, if Apple advises customers prior to purchase that its OS generally does not work with non-Apple phones or music players, they can do whatever they want.
But don't spend years pitching your wares as 'a Digital Hub for all your devices' and then lock out everybody else once people buy into your operating system. That's bait and switch.
You're either willfully ignorant or a troll or both. I can easily sync my older palm products to my mac.
Gee that was hard. Of course, Palm Desktop is less nice than iTunes but that's because Palm puts less effort into their sync program. But it does sync with iCal and Address Book through what? iSync. An apple app in OSX for syncing.
For an old palm Tungsten I bought The Missing Sync and promptly broke it but it will sync to Entourage (at least the older Entourage).
Why doesn't Palm just arrange a license deal with Apple? Then, Apple could benefit from the success of their rival. There really is a market big enough, given that the iPhone is exclusive to a single carrier in a given market, for most countries. I know that iTunes isn't really a money maker for Apple, but the more sold, the more profitable it would be on top of the license fees.
I think that heavy handed attempts at keeping iTunes exclusive might bring in some antitrust issues that Apple may not want.
how about $300 / pre
how about macdailynews
MacDailyNews Take: Apple conceived of, designed, built, and maintains iTunes. The company's property is the direct result of development spending and their employees' hard work. It should, and obviously will, not be provided free-of-charge to those who wish to save their failed companies by riding on Apple's coattails. iTunes is not a non-profit charity for iPod and iPhone also-rans.
This is nothing new. It's been tried before and it failed, too.
You know, I'd really like to see the Pre do well - but this nonsense of depending on another company to sync with your computer is really lame. They have to step up their game and deliver the full package - Phone & Software. Depending on another companies product to sync your device is not a smart move.
Agreed!
Also, what ever happened to Steve's comment "we patented the heck out of this thing" when the original iphone came out? Everyone has been ripping off Apple's concept and UI. So far no one has been challenged in court. What's up with that?
I'm all for competition - it keeps a company on it's toes. That said, do your own R and D, don't just wait to see what works then go steal it.
Actually, licensing for such services is pretty nominal, such as the Firewire license, which was $.50 per device. A fee of $1 for every device sold would be sufficient and along normal terms. Apple did it with Motorola a few years back, it could easily do it with Palm.
That's not a bad idea. As it stands, even if Apple does break the Pre/iTunes link, it'll be less than a month before there's an itunes plugin that does it and Apple gets a negative PR mark. I'm sure they'll never even consider it since others would want in too, increasing unlicensed hardware that they have to make compatible, but didn't design.
It looks to be that they're damned if they do and damned if they don't. Pretty tricky situation. I'll be interested to see what they do.
I'd like to see a warning appear when any non Apple device is connected for a sync even before they 'break' the ability for Palm and who ever else tries this next ...
"Warning if your phone / music player are not made by Apple we cannot guarantee it will still have any data on it or function correctly after this sync. Do you really want to continue?"
Obviously companies in a position of monopoly are expected to behave rather better than those with tiny marketshares. Look at the hoops Microsoft has to jump through with Internet Explorer on Windows. Apple should have to do the same with iTunes.
Perhaps it is more complex in the iTunes situation than the example of IE and M$. Think of all the complex licensing negotiations Apple has done with the music and film and TV industries since iTunes started and probably still are negotiating for new content. I would think controlling both the distribution and players was integral in Apple's ability to comply with various conditions. Having a third party able to plug in who was not part of any of these agreements would surely be problematic.
What a bunch of bull, does Microsoft allow the Zune software to sync with Palm Pre, why isn't there outrage over that, why isn't Palm making this a feature of their phone, they just want to hitch onto the biggest name in the industry.
Don't stop there- imagine if Microsoft shut off all Macs from using Windows (the real biggest name in the industry) - not pretty.
Also, what ever happened to Steve's comment "we patented the heck out of this thing" when the original iphone came out? Everyone has been ripping off Apple's concept and UI. So far no one has been challenged in court. What's up with that?
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Challenge- what? Touch screen? That technology has been around for decades. What concept are you talking about?
Based on this logic I don't see why Microsoft doesn't make iTunes (on Windows) break on a monthly basis so that they can promote their Zune. Wait, that would be unfair!!!
Apple gets away with crap the rest of the world can't.
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His comment was rather silly, but yours doubly so.
Our Canadian "socialism" (which it isn't) means that you won't have to take out a second mortgage on your home when you get your tonsils removed. Health care in Canada is funded and delivered through a publicly-funded health care system, with most services provided by private entities. It certainly isn't what it once was, but it still functions.
The flood of Canadian;s coming south for medical care doesn't bode well for canada's health care system.
But canada at least cares for it's people and does not play political games with people's lives like america does.
I feel for any one who has Rogers to deal with.
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Apple's Itunes has already reached over 140.000,000 million people
Crikey! Presumably they used Time Machine!
His comment was rather silly, but yours doubly so.
Our Canadian "socialism" (which it isn't) means that you won't have to take out a second mortgage on your home when you get your tonsils removed. Health care in Canada is funded and delivered through a publicly-funded health care system, with most services provided by private entities. It certainly isn't what it once was, but it still functions.
I suppose I did leave the window open for the assumption that i was talking about canada in general. And i'm not looking to debate how much of canada's health care is based on socialist philosophy.
in fact, i might agree that there are some benefits to applying socialist philosophy to areas such as health care
but in the business arena, to say that a government body needs to come in and force a private company to allow others to benefit from their innovation, is socialism poorly implemented.
but in the business arena, to say that a government body needs to come in and force a private company to allow others to benefit from their innovation, is socialism poorly implemented.
Agreed. Misundersanding, is all.
But there should, in general and in principle be some degree of oversight, don't you think? What would you say the limits are? When should it be applied?
Crikey! Presumably they used Time Machine!
200 million ipod's sold .
040million iphones itouches sold
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
240,000,000.
ot was you making funny and i missed it ?
sorry
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but in the business arena, to say that a government body needs to come in and force a private company to allow others to benefit from their innovation, is socialism poorly implemented.
That's not socialism poorly implemented, it's not even socialism at all. That's just lawmaking, pure and simple. I'm sure US IP laws have similar provisions, such as compulsory licensing, which would achieve the same result or putting the 'innovation' as you say in the hands of more people.
120 million ipod's sold .
035 million iphones itouches sold
-15 miilion not in use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
140,000,000.
ot was you making funny and i missed it ?
sorry
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No offence intended, but you did write 140.000,000 million which is 140 trillion! Yes it was an intended funny, although obviously not a very successful one...
120 million ipod's sold .
035 million iphones itouches sold
-15 miilion not in use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
140,000,000.
ot was you making funny and i missed it ?
sorry
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They have sold 40 Million iPod touches and iPhones (combined figure) by June 09. iPhones (original & 3G) 21.6 Million sold so thats less than 19 million touches sold.
180 million iPods sold worldwide as of Q4 2008 and is now approaching 200 million.
No it you who have made no sence here at all . Itunes is the default media player on only 8 percent of all computers?
ITUNES is built and run by apple. It is owned by apple, It signed or abides by no agreements.
You all can blab on forever, but that won't change the facts . Apple out of the kindness of its heart warned the market that it won't supporting 3rd party devices.
Also no one forced anything on anyone. Of the 92 percent of where itunes is installed, IT WAS NOT THE DEFAUT MEDIA PLAYER. Someone choose itunes over ms media player. Over 120 million people made this choice .
didn't it come pre-installed on some dells? typing "itunes pre-installed" also showed me an article saying that hp(Long time ago) pre-installed itunes .
I mean what did we all expect...of course Apple is going to break it. They are the competition...I would break it too. Watch as all the whinny pre users come flooding forums complaining about Apple. Hey Palm why don't you just write your own device management app instead of mooching off of iTunes.
Based on this logic I don't see why Microsoft doesn't make iTunes (on Windows) break on a monthly basis so that they can promote their Zune. Wait, that would be unfair!!!
Apple gets away with crap the rest of the world can't.
What a bunch of bull, does Microsoft allow the Zune software to sync with Palm Pre, why isn't there outrage over that, why isn't Palm making this a feature of their phone, they just want to hitch onto the biggest name in the industry.
Silly thing to say.
Obviously companies in a position of monopoly are expected to behave rather better than those with tiny marketshares. Look at the hoops Microsoft has to jump through with Internet Explorer on Windows. Apple should have to do the same with iTunes.
Palm had no choice but to hack. Apple doesn't provide an API for the Pre to tap into.
Again, if Apple advises customers prior to purchase that its OS generally does not work with non-Apple phones or music players, they can do whatever they want.
But don't spend years pitching your wares as 'a Digital Hub for all your devices' and then lock out everybody else once people buy into your operating system. That's bait and switch.
You're either willfully ignorant or a troll or both. I can easily sync my older palm products to my mac.
http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/com.../33219_en.html
Gee that was hard. Of course, Palm Desktop is less nice than iTunes but that's because Palm puts less effort into their sync program. But it does sync with iCal and Address Book through what? iSync. An apple app in OSX for syncing.
For an old palm Tungsten I bought The Missing Sync and promptly broke it but it will sync to Entourage (at least the older Entourage).
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2824
What else can you use? Sync Services...an API designed for folks to build sync tools for the mac. Which is part of the OS unlike iTunes.
http://developer.apple.com/macosx/syncservices.html
Why doesn't Palm just arrange a license deal with Apple? Then, Apple could benefit from the success of their rival. There really is a market big enough, given that the iPhone is exclusive to a single carrier in a given market, for most countries. I know that iTunes isn't really a money maker for Apple, but the more sold, the more profitable it would be on top of the license fees.
I think that heavy handed attempts at keeping iTunes exclusive might bring in some antitrust issues that Apple may not want.
how about $300 / pre
how about macdailynews
MacDailyNews Take: Apple conceived of, designed, built, and maintains iTunes. The company's property is the direct result of development spending and their employees' hard work. It should, and obviously will, not be provided free-of-charge to those who wish to save their failed companies by riding on Apple's coattails. iTunes is not a non-profit charity for iPod and iPhone also-rans.
This is nothing new. It's been tried before and it failed, too.
http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/4474/
palm--make your own pre store use your own cash and resources
You know, I'd really like to see the Pre do well - but this nonsense of depending on another company to sync with your computer is really lame. They have to step up their game and deliver the full package - Phone & Software. Depending on another companies product to sync your device is not a smart move.
Agreed!
Also, what ever happened to Steve's comment "we patented the heck out of this thing" when the original iphone came out? Everyone has been ripping off Apple's concept and UI. So far no one has been challenged in court. What's up with that?
I'm all for competition - it keeps a company on it's toes. That said, do your own R and D, don't just wait to see what works then go steal it.
how about $300 / pre
Actually, licensing for such services is pretty nominal, such as the Firewire license, which was $.50 per device. A fee of $1 for every device sold would be sufficient and along normal terms. Apple did it with Motorola a few years back, it could easily do it with Palm.
That's not a bad idea. As it stands, even if Apple does break the Pre/iTunes link, it'll be less than a month before there's an itunes plugin that does it and Apple gets a negative PR mark. I'm sure they'll never even consider it since others would want in too, increasing unlicensed hardware that they have to make compatible, but didn't design.
It looks to be that they're damned if they do and damned if they don't. Pretty tricky situation. I'll be interested to see what they do.
I'd like to see a warning appear when any non Apple device is connected for a sync even before they 'break' the ability for Palm and who ever else tries this next ...
"Warning if your phone / music player are not made by Apple we cannot guarantee it will still have any data on it or function correctly after this sync. Do you really want to continue?"
Silly thing to say.
Obviously companies in a position of monopoly are expected to behave rather better than those with tiny marketshares. Look at the hoops Microsoft has to jump through with Internet Explorer on Windows. Apple should have to do the same with iTunes.
Perhaps it is more complex in the iTunes situation than the example of IE and M$. Think of all the complex licensing negotiations Apple has done with the music and film and TV industries since iTunes started and probably still are negotiating for new content. I would think controlling both the distribution and players was integral in Apple's ability to comply with various conditions. Having a third party able to plug in who was not part of any of these agreements would surely be problematic.
What a bunch of bull, does Microsoft allow the Zune software to sync with Palm Pre, why isn't there outrage over that, why isn't Palm making this a feature of their phone, they just want to hitch onto the biggest name in the industry.
Don't stop there- imagine if Microsoft shut off all Macs from using Windows (the real biggest name in the industry) - not pretty.
Also, what ever happened to Steve's comment "we patented the heck out of this thing" when the original iphone came out? Everyone has been ripping off Apple's concept and UI. So far no one has been challenged in court. What's up with that?
.
Challenge- what? Touch screen? That technology has been around for decades. What concept are you talking about?
Based on this logic I don't see why Microsoft doesn't make iTunes (on Windows) break on a monthly basis so that they can promote their Zune. Wait, that would be unfair!!!
Apple gets away with crap the rest of the world can't.
Because what Apple does here isn't illegal.