With all the agony Steve is going thru, it must be so hard to have Rube turn out to be a lying, backstabbing, greedy SOB. We should all root for a speedy Post for "Pre".
With all the agony Steve is going thru, it must be so hard to have Rube turn out to be a lying, backstabbing, greedy SOB. We should all root for a speedy Post for "Pre".
Why would you think that about him? Executives leave companies all the time. If he got a good offer and a good challenge, why shouldn't he have taken it?
why would you think that about him? Executives leave companies all the time. If he got a good offer and a good challenge, why shouldn't he have taken it?
well lets see? Respect, loyalty, ethics, insider information, having millions already!
well lets see? Respect, loyalty, ethics, insider information, having millions already!
That's just silly! Since when is "having millions" reason to turn down a better-paying job. He took off a year between jobs which would satisfy his non-compete agreement with Apple. If he is suspected of using Apple trade secrets to help Palm, we will likely see some legal action from Apple.
Respect? Loyalty? Apparently you still work for your first employer.
I wish Pre well, and think it's great for the iPhone - which is a clearly superior product, in my view - to have some competition (Disclaimer: I own Palm stock; couldn't resist a small purchase at the really low price a couple of months ago).
The real story here is, iPhone launch/sales do not seem to have been affected much by Pre. It leads me to think that it's Android et. al that should be worried, if at all, by the intro of a physical keyboard-based competitor such as Pre.
well lets see? Respect, loyalty, ethics, insider information, having millions already!
I don't get that at all.
Respect. What makes you think he doesn't respect Jobs, or anyone else there?
Loyalty. You're kidding, right? He helped to make Apple successful. How does loyalty work? Oh yeah, it goes both ways.
ethics. What do you mean. He left Apple after years of working there, and contributing significantly. He fulfilled his obligations.
insider information. What information is that exactly? That Apple announced to the world that they were coming out with a phone?
having millions already. Then I suppose Jobs should have retired after leaving Apple.
Nothing you said holds up. After all, if any of that were true for him, what about Jobs himself? He started a computer company that was trying to compete with Apple. You could use all those words against him as well. It's not as though NEXT didn't use many ideas that were started at Apple.
"Nothing you said holds up. After all, if any of that were true for him, what about Jobs himself? He started a computer company that was trying to compete with Apple. You could use all those words against him as well. It's not as though NEXT didn't use many ideas that were started at Apple.
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Oh, I give up. You're right. All those old things don't matter anymore. Let's just be good neighbors and take advantage of anyone whenever we feel like it. Making a profit is where it's at.
PS - NEXT was not created to compete with Apple-NEXT was, and still is Apple. NEXTSTEP is OSX. The 68020 based original Mac ii became the NEXT. Apple's best people went with Steve, leaving Scully and his razor blade genius CEO to lead the company away from it's roots and clone it with too many confusing models. Steve loyally returned to HIS company and here we are today, not having to be forced to use a stupid PC and do everything thrice.
Now have nice day and don't bother putting your cigarette in the ash tray. There are little people hired to clean that up for you-just throw it out the window, that's what everybody else does!
Oh, I give up. You're right. All those old things don't matter anymore. Let's just be good neighbors and take advantage of anyone whenever we feel like it. Making a profit is where it's at.
PS - NEXT was not created to compete with Apple-NEXT was, and still is Apple. NEXTSTEP is OSX. The 68020 based original Mac ii became the NEXT. Apple's best people went with Steve, leaving Scully and his razor blade genius CEO to lead the company away from it's roots and clone it with too many confusing models. Steve loyally returned to HIS company and here we are today, not having to be forced to use a stupid PC and do everything thrice.
Now have nice day and don't bother putting your cigarette in the ash tray. There are little people hired to clean that up for you-just throw it out the window, that's what everybody else does!
I guess it's nice to know that Pre is doing ok. I would not call a couple hundred thousand of these phones rolling around significant in any way, however.
Right now, the Pre's biggest enemy is not Apple, it is Palm.
all of us need the pre to do exceptional. In the long run that means better data prices, incuded gps and better prices fir us iPhone users.
But has the Pre done enough to save Palm and Sprint? That's a different issue entirely.
We'll see.
Wasn't it said somewhere that Pre is to be Sprint exclusive only for half a year or so? New Zealand's Vodafone is expected to offer it by the end of a year (other Vodafone networks as well - presumably), so that kind of fits in Sprint-exclusive expiration theory.
Additionally, Palm people were saying they are planing multiple devices with WebOS, which fits in their existing business strategy. I'm pretty sure we'll see cheaper, Centro-like smartphone with smaller screen and fixed (non-sliding) keyboard as well, maybe virtual keyboard iPhone clone, too. Reinvention of Foleo based on WebOS, maybe. I wouldn't be surprised even if Pre remains Sprint exclusive, with different models for other networks.
All in all, Pre alone might not be enough to save Palm, but I'd be really surprised to see Pre remaining alone. Palm has hiked a nice wave with Pre and Jon looks capable of riding waves rather than drowning in them...
Wasn't it said somewhere that Pre is to be Sprint exclusive only for half a year or so? New Zealand's Vodafone is expected to offer it by the end of a year (other Vodafone networks as well - presumably), so that kind of fits in Sprint-exclusive expiration theory.
Additionally, Palm people were saying they are planing multiple devices with WebOS, which fits in their existing business strategy. I'm pretty sure we'll see cheaper, Centro-like smartphone with smaller screen and fixed (non-sliding) keyboard as well, maybe virtual keyboard iPhone clone, too. Reinvention of Foleo based on WebOS, maybe. I wouldn't be surprised even if Pre remains Sprint exclusive, with different models for other networks.
All in all, Pre alone might not be enough to save Palm, but I'd be really surprised to see Pre remaining alone. Palm has hiked a nice wave with Pre and Jon looks capable of riding waves rather than drowning in them...
Do you own a pre ?? It was reported that 8 months delay for a full release of e pre.
You might want to wait on the pre. Seems like a ton of them have cracked screens. Click on my sig link to view cracks .
Exactly, which makes me wonder why Palm itself hasn't stated the actual sales. Since we're working with guesstimates anyway, I'm going to guess that Palm hasn't released sales figures because they feel the numbers would hurt their both their marketing and stock price. Or to put it another way, wouldn't releasing huge sales numbers help keep the Pre hype going? The way the "million 3GSs" press release kept iPhone in the news? To me it appears that Palm is disappointed with their launch.
I love my Palm Pre; it's finally what I've been looking for in a phone without having to sell my soul to AT&T.
Yep, AT&T is the main reason I don't have an iPhone. I love the device; it's a great phone! But the crappy data network and expensive service means I've stayed away.
I hope the iPhone eventually comes to other carriers and the Pre as well. This whole concept of a phone being completely locked down to one carrier is hurting the industry and making things frustrating for those of us who like a specific phone but hate the carrier it's on.
I'm also glad the iPhone finally has real competition in the Pre, and to a lesser extent, Android.
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Originally Posted by Kolchak
The big question is whether the Pre can sustain its sales figures. If I'm reading this right, they're saying it sold about 50,000 the first weekend then another 50,000 through the rest of the week. So it looks like there are a lot of early adopters. A lot depends on who's left after all these people have bought their Pres. Will sales flatten out, decline slowly or go into a steep nosedive?
Me, I'm waiting for the Verizon LTE iPhone. With tethering. No way in Hell I'll ever deal with AT&T again.
Me too .My hatred runs so deep for ATT that I will never do business with them again .
When verizon gets the iphone you will see some incredible sales numbers. Makes the glossy scandal pale in comparison
Good news for the Pre. Still too early to tell how well it will do long term but I hope it succeeds because it's a nice phone with great software. Apple needs some competition.
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I don't remember if Palms have been popular there or not. That would matter too.
I have no figures at hand, but they were visible in public life and i know a good few people who had one.
Yes, that article is a lark.
With all the agony Steve is going thru, it must be so hard to have Rube turn out to be a lying, backstabbing, greedy SOB. We should all root for a speedy Post for "Pre".
With all the agony Steve is going thru, it must be so hard to have Rube turn out to be a lying, backstabbing, greedy SOB. We should all root for a speedy Post for "Pre".
Why would you think that about him? Executives leave companies all the time. If he got a good offer and a good challenge, why shouldn't he have taken it?
why would you think that about him? Executives leave companies all the time. If he got a good offer and a good challenge, why shouldn't he have taken it?
well lets see? Respect, loyalty, ethics, insider information, having millions already!
well lets see? Respect, loyalty, ethics, insider information, having millions already!
That's just silly! Since when is "having millions" reason to turn down a better-paying job. He took off a year between jobs which would satisfy his non-compete agreement with Apple. If he is suspected of using Apple trade secrets to help Palm, we will likely see some legal action from Apple.
Respect? Loyalty? Apparently you still work for your first employer.
The real story here is, iPhone launch/sales do not seem to have been affected much by Pre. It leads me to think that it's Android et. al that should be worried, if at all, by the intro of a physical keyboard-based competitor such as Pre.
well lets see? Respect, loyalty, ethics, insider information, having millions already!
I don't get that at all.
Respect. What makes you think he doesn't respect Jobs, or anyone else there?
Loyalty. You're kidding, right? He helped to make Apple successful. How does loyalty work? Oh yeah, it goes both ways.
ethics. What do you mean. He left Apple after years of working there, and contributing significantly. He fulfilled his obligations.
insider information. What information is that exactly? That Apple announced to the world that they were coming out with a phone?
having millions already. Then I suppose Jobs should have retired after leaving Apple.
Nothing you said holds up. After all, if any of that were true for him, what about Jobs himself? He started a computer company that was trying to compete with Apple. You could use all those words against him as well. It's not as though NEXT didn't use many ideas that were started at Apple.
Surely there is at least 100,000 or so iPhone/Apple haters out there. Right?
We ended up buying the Android phone
I don't get that at all.
"Nothing you said holds up. After all, if any of that were true for him, what about Jobs himself? He started a computer company that was trying to compete with Apple. You could use all those words against him as well. It's not as though NEXT didn't use many ideas that were started at Apple.
"
Oh, I give up. You're right. All those old things don't matter anymore. Let's just be good neighbors and take advantage of anyone whenever we feel like it. Making a profit is where it's at.
PS - NEXT was not created to compete with Apple-NEXT was, and still is Apple. NEXTSTEP is OSX. The 68020 based original Mac ii became the NEXT. Apple's best people went with Steve, leaving Scully and his razor blade genius CEO to lead the company away from it's roots and clone it with too many confusing models. Steve loyally returned to HIS company and here we are today, not having to be forced to use a stupid PC and do everything thrice.
Now have nice day and don't bother putting your cigarette in the ash tray. There are little people hired to clean that up for you-just throw it out the window, that's what everybody else does!
"
Oh, I give up. You're right. All those old things don't matter anymore. Let's just be good neighbors and take advantage of anyone whenever we feel like it. Making a profit is where it's at.
PS - NEXT was not created to compete with Apple-NEXT was, and still is Apple. NEXTSTEP is OSX. The 68020 based original Mac ii became the NEXT. Apple's best people went with Steve, leaving Scully and his razor blade genius CEO to lead the company away from it's roots and clone it with too many confusing models. Steve loyally returned to HIS company and here we are today, not having to be forced to use a stupid PC and do everything thrice.
Now have nice day and don't bother putting your cigarette in the ash tray. There are little people hired to clean that up for you-just throw it out the window, that's what everybody else does!
You are perverted!
You are perverted!
Other than NeXTTime, what part of NeXTSTEP was inspired or "stolen" from Mac OS 7.x?
I'd love to read it seeing as I worked for both.
I guess it's nice to know that Pre is doing ok. I would not call a couple hundred thousand of these phones rolling around significant in any way, however.
Right now, the Pre's biggest enemy is not Apple, it is Palm.
all of us need the pre to do exceptional. In the long run that means better data prices, incuded gps and better prices fir us iPhone users.
So go Palm Pre.
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No, perhaps the iPhone hasn't hurt the Pre.
But has the Pre done enough to save Palm and Sprint? That's a different issue entirely.
We'll see.
Wasn't it said somewhere that Pre is to be Sprint exclusive only for half a year or so? New Zealand's Vodafone is expected to offer it by the end of a year (other Vodafone networks as well - presumably), so that kind of fits in Sprint-exclusive expiration theory.
Additionally, Palm people were saying they are planing multiple devices with WebOS, which fits in their existing business strategy. I'm pretty sure we'll see cheaper, Centro-like smartphone with smaller screen and fixed (non-sliding) keyboard as well, maybe virtual keyboard iPhone clone, too. Reinvention of Foleo based on WebOS, maybe. I wouldn't be surprised even if Pre remains Sprint exclusive, with different models for other networks.
All in all, Pre alone might not be enough to save Palm, but I'd be really surprised to see Pre remaining alone. Palm has hiked a nice wave with Pre and Jon looks capable of riding waves rather than drowning in them...
Wasn't it said somewhere that Pre is to be Sprint exclusive only for half a year or so? New Zealand's Vodafone is expected to offer it by the end of a year (other Vodafone networks as well - presumably), so that kind of fits in Sprint-exclusive expiration theory.
Additionally, Palm people were saying they are planing multiple devices with WebOS, which fits in their existing business strategy. I'm pretty sure we'll see cheaper, Centro-like smartphone with smaller screen and fixed (non-sliding) keyboard as well, maybe virtual keyboard iPhone clone, too. Reinvention of Foleo based on WebOS, maybe. I wouldn't be surprised even if Pre remains Sprint exclusive, with different models for other networks.
All in all, Pre alone might not be enough to save Palm, but I'd be really surprised to see Pre remaining alone. Palm has hiked a nice wave with Pre and Jon looks capable of riding waves rather than drowning in them...
Do you own a pre ?? It was reported that 8 months delay for a full release of e pre.
You might want to wait on the pre. Seems like a ton of them have cracked screens. Click on my sig link to view cracks .
Good luck
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So all those Pre numbers are just guesses?
Exactly, which makes me wonder why Palm itself hasn't stated the actual sales. Since we're working with guesstimates anyway, I'm going to guess that Palm hasn't released sales figures because they feel the numbers would hurt their both their marketing and stock price. Or to put it another way, wouldn't releasing huge sales numbers help keep the Pre hype going? The way the "million 3GSs" press release kept iPhone in the news? To me it appears that Palm is disappointed with their launch.
I love my Palm Pre; it's finally what I've been looking for in a phone without having to sell my soul to AT&T.
Yep, AT&T is the main reason I don't have an iPhone. I love the device; it's a great phone! But the crappy data network and expensive service means I've stayed away.
I hope the iPhone eventually comes to other carriers and the Pre as well. This whole concept of a phone being completely locked down to one carrier is hurting the industry and making things frustrating for those of us who like a specific phone but hate the carrier it's on.
I'm also glad the iPhone finally has real competition in the Pre, and to a lesser extent, Android.
The big question is whether the Pre can sustain its sales figures. If I'm reading this right, they're saying it sold about 50,000 the first weekend then another 50,000 through the rest of the week. So it looks like there are a lot of early adopters. A lot depends on who's left after all these people have bought their Pres. Will sales flatten out, decline slowly or go into a steep nosedive?
Me, I'm waiting for the Verizon LTE iPhone. With tethering. No way in Hell I'll ever deal with AT&T again.
Me too .My hatred runs so deep for ATT that I will never do business with them again .
When verizon gets the iphone you will see some incredible sales numbers. Makes the glossy scandal pale in comparison
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You are perverted!
You know that guy had a point . Both sides of the loyalty/ethics issue have their valid place in society.
But mel your response was so devastating that this guy lost it.
Talking about ashtrays and stuff ?
Funny how things can turn on a dime .
This is a great debating place .
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